Other than being a Ruuski

[BringMetheHeadofLeonLett]

3 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

Their rationalization as to why Putin wouldn't invade Ukraine while Trump was in office, considering he's a Russian stooge/puppet/asset/lover, was especially hilarious.

You and me, Doc.  I am no, 'their'. 
 

You're a 'Doc', so how can you lose/ ask me anything

[All_Pro_Bills]

1 minute ago, ArdmoreRyno said:

 

The United States/West/NATO has continued to push their lines towards Russia since the break-up of the USSR... even after NATO said they wouldn't. Then we started sending arms to Ukraine well before the war started last year. It would be like Russia sending arms to Mexico and Russia establishing a foothold in that country... then eventually Canada (far fetched, but we're just throwing out examples).  

 

 

That's pretty much it but getting some people to understand what was a clearly articulated and understood position prior to the war is an exercise in futility.  As quoted in an acclaimed movie starring Paul Newman, "What we got here is a failure to communicate". 

[Tommy Callahan]

1 minute ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

That's pretty much it but getting some people to understand what was a clearly articulated and understood position prior to the war is an exercise in futility.  As quoted in an acclaimed movie starring Paul Newman, "What we got here is a failure to communicate". 

What we've got here is failure to communicate

Some men, you just can't reach

So you get what we had here last week

Which is the way he wants it

Well, he gets it

 

 

 

Its amazing how many times that song and movie line seem valid lately.

 

 

[BillStime]

1 hour ago, redtail hawk said:

soon.  It's almost 5 here.  LI iced tea is the best buzz for the buck on board.

 

Which cruise line are you on?

[BringMetheHeadofLeonLett]

15 minutes ago, ArdmoreRyno said:

 

The United States/West/NATO has continued to push their lines towards Russia since the break-up of the USSR... even after NATO said they wouldn't. Then we started sending arms to Ukraine well before the war started last year. It would be like Russia sending arms to Mexico and Russia establishing a foothold in that country... then eventually Canada (far fetched, but we're just throwing out examples).  

 

 

 

11 minutes ago, BringMetheHeadofLeonLett said:

Oh, I'm sorry I hadn't realized that when a dictator becomes aggressive all around his sphere of influence that the United States and NATO should tuck their tails between their legs, get out of the way and apologize.  
 

Commie lover. (ArdmoreRyno)

 

7 minutes ago, ArdmoreRyno said:

 

BWHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!

So I explain why Russia is doing what they are doing thus I'm a commie lover? Makes a lot of sense. 

 

Why don't you just ask: "Why is Russia doing what they are doing to Ukraine? If you answer anything other than 'RUSSIA IS SATAN!!!!', I'll call you a Commie/Putin lover"

 

You're pathetic. 

Yes, poor poor Vladimir Putin.  Makes me want to cry for him as he's been such a dear, loving friend to his neighbors.  He wants to re-engineer the USSR, and the former 'states' want nothing to do with it.  Those who are oblivious to history are just idiots with mouth-holes.  

you sound pretty defensive of Dearest Vlad. 

[ChiGoose]

23 minutes ago, ArdmoreRyno said:

 

The United States/West/NATO has continued to push their lines towards Russia since the break-up of the USSR... even after NATO said they wouldn't. Then we started sending arms to Ukraine well before the war started last year. It would be like Russia sending arms to Mexico and Russia establishing a foothold in that country... then eventually Canada (far fetched, but we're just throwing out examples).  

 

 

This explains why Russia just invaded Finland when it wanted to join NATO. Putin would want to prevent basically doubling the length of the Russian border with NATO countries. 
 

Oh wait…

[Tommy Callahan]

2 minutes ago, BringMetheHeadofLeonLett said:

 

 

Yes, poor poor Vladimir Putin.  Makes me want to cry for him as he's been such a dear, loving friend to his neighbors.  He wants to re-engineer the USSR, and the former 'states' want nothing to do with it.  Those who are oblivious to history are just idiots with mouth-holes.  

you sound pretty defensive of Dearest Vlad. 

they do seem to be very tight with most of them, like CHINA and the countless others as russia has more land borders with other countries than any other nation.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Borders_of_Russia#:~:text=Internationally recognized Country , Estonia–Russia border 13 more rows

[BringMetheHeadofLeonLett]

Oh my God!  Finland!!!   We need to invade Guatalajara- STAT!

[Tommy Callahan]

1 minute ago, ChiGoose said:

This explains why Russia just invaded Finland when it wanted to join NATO. Putin would want to prevent basically doubling the length of the Russian border with NATO countries. 
 

Oh wait…

Crazy how all the rest of their neighbors get along.  

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[BringMetheHeadofLeonLett]

1 minute ago, Chris farley said:

they do seem to be very tight with most of them, like CHINA and the countless others as russia has more land borders with other countries than any other nation.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Borders_of_Russia#:~:text=Internationally recognized Country , Estonia–Russia border 13 more rows

Who ***** cares- Putin is disgusting, and none of the former Soviet countries want anything to do with him- or your Mother Russia, farley. 

[Tommy Callahan]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^  wow, when I didnt think the trolls could get any worse/generic^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

 

 

but Porland/ meth head in the avatar, kind of explains it.

 

 

Edited May 8, 2023 by Chris farley

[BringMetheHeadofLeonLett]

Cheese n Rice, do they only spring for 1 emoji in rubles?

[Tommy Callahan]

^^^^^^^^^ example of cyber tweaking, probably scratching old scabs while typing ^^^^^^^^^^^^

 

[All_Pro_Bills]

2 minutes ago, BringMetheHeadofLeonLett said:

 

 

Yes, poor poor Vladimir Putin.  Makes me want to cry for him as he's been such a dear, loving friend to his neighbors.  He wants to re-engineer the USSR, and the former 'states' want nothing to do with it.  Those who are oblivious to history are just idiots with mouth-holes.  

What history?  Lots of people make all kinds of references to similarities to the 1930's prior to World War Two and Hitler to justify the use of force without much thinking going into the decision.  The argument is we need to make sure the next Hitler is stopped.  But the future is uncertain and you can't be sure actions will lead to better or worse outcomes.  What if it leads to escalations that will end life on the planet? 

 

I'd also argue the current situation is more similar to around 1914 Pre-World War One.  Alliances and treaties requiring action triggered a world war because of the assassination of Archduke Ferdinand.  The killing of an Austrian figure who was no concern of the United States and much of Europe.  Nonetheless, war ensued with millions dead over one person's death which had no relevance to most.     

[BringMetheHeadofLeonLett]

5 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

What history?  Lots of people make all kinds of references to similarities to the 1930's prior to World War Two and Hitler to justify the use of force without much thinking going into the decision.  The argument is we need to make sure the next Hitler is stopped.  But the future is uncertain and you can't be sure actions will lead to better or worse outcomes.  What if it leads to escalations that will end life on the planet? 

 

I'd also argue the current situation is more similar to around 1914 Pre-World War One.  Alliances and treaties requiring action triggered a world war because of the assassination of Archduke Ferdinand.  The killing of an Austrian figure who was no concern of the United States and much of Europe.  Nonetheless, war ensued with millions dead over one person's death which had no relevance to most.     

Seriously?  I think we're all pretty aware of who is in NATO... and the er, um, Warsaw Pact, bwahaha

Edited May 8, 2023 by BringMetheHeadofLeonLett

[BringMetheHeadofLeonLett]

Not to be distracted by the Oingo Boingo, so... justify Russia's invasion of the independent nation, The Ukraine. 
 

So far, the best I've heard is WHY Putin would do it, but I haven't seen a single real justification. 
 

Were the Ukranian Jewish Nazi's about to take over Kamchatka?

[Tommy Callahan]

3 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

What history?  Lots of people make all kinds of references to similarities to the 1930's prior to World War Two and Hitler to justify the use of force without much thinking going into the decision.  The argument is we need to make sure the next Hitler is stopped.  But the future is uncertain and you can't be sure actions will lead to better or worse outcomes.  What if it leads to escalations that will end life on the planet? 

 

I'd also argue the current situation is more similar to around 1914 Pre-World War One.  Alliances and treaties requiring action triggered a world war because of the assassination of Archduke Ferdinand.  The killing of an Austrian figure who was no concern of the United States and much of Europe.  Nonetheless, war ensued with millions dead over one person's death which had no relevance to most.     

Good post. would add that between that and the Balkan wars, the ottoman empire no longer existed. 

 

Some argue that the Ottoman empire collapse started with the Crimean War of 1857. (Another interesting parallel)

 

Then it became a quazi Banker battle with Modern compounding interest banking power houses vs Islamic banking that has no compounding interest.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottoman_Bank

 

 

Crazy to hear the name Rothchild being involved back then as well.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottoman_Empire

 

History just keeps repeating itself over and over again.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[ArdmoreRyno]

35 minutes ago, BringMetheHeadofLeonLett said:

 

 

Yes, poor poor Vladimir Putin.  Makes me want to cry for him as he's been such a dear, loving friend to his neighbors.  He wants to re-engineer the USSR, and the former 'states' want nothing to do with it.  Those who are oblivious to history are just idiots with mouth-holes.  

you sound pretty defensive of Dearest Vlad. 

 

Dude, why did you bother to start this thread? 

 

I explained why I believe it happened. Your plan was to just try and insult people who didn't give you exactly what you wanted to hear? What a f'ing idiotic thing to do. 

 

31 minutes ago, ChiGoose said:

This explains why Russia just invaded Finland when it wanted to join NATO. Putin would want to prevent basically doubling the length of the Russian border with NATO countries. 
 

Oh wait…

 

Finland was a founding member of the EU. Ukraine was not. Ukraine was also IN the USSR before the fall. Finland was not. 

Edited May 8, 2023 by ArdmoreRyno

[DrW]

9 minutes ago, ArdmoreRyno said:

 

Finland was a founding member of the EU. Ukraine was not. 

 

This is incorrect. The EU was officially established in 1992 with the Maastricht Treaty. Finland joined in 1995.

[BringMetheHeadofLeonLett]

And what part of the USSR is The Ukraine today?

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

54 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

Their rationalization as to why Putin wouldn't invade Ukraine while Trump was in office, considering he's a Russian stooge/puppet/asset/lover, was especially hilarious.

maybe not… It’s hard to ignore all the action in Ukraine and there a a couple patterns.

 

we know Biden has been getting paid off for almost a decade by Ukraine.  He was on the record actively pushing for governmental changes long ago. 

 

we know trump was trying to expose the Biden corruption in Ukraine which Ukraine resisted… that is what the whole phone call was about… it led to one of his 700 indictments (this in the form of impeachment) 

 

Crimea invasion was during Obama when Joe was vp and on the take, then the massing of troops started as Joe took the Whitehouse and then the inevitable invasion which Joe almost provoked. 
 

maybe trump was considered a friendly to the Kremlin and Putin specifically and Joe being bought by Ukraine has something to do with all of this. 
 

it’s impossible these things are all disconnected. 

[BringMetheHeadofLeonLett]

1 minute ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

maybe not… It’s hard to ignore all the action in Ukraine and there a a couple patterns.

 

we know Biden has been getting paid off for almost a decade by Ukraine.  He was on the record actively pushing for governmental changes long ago. 

 

we know trump was trying to expose the Biden corruption in Ukraine which Ukraine resisted… that is what the whole phone call was about… it led to one of his 700 indictments (this in the form of impeachment) 

 

Crimea invasion was during Obama when Joe was vp and on the take, then the massing of troops started as Joe took the Whitehouse and then the inevitable invasion which Joe almost provoked. 
 

maybe trump was considered a friendly to the Kremlin and Putin specifically and Joe being bought by Ukraine has something to do with all of this. 
 

it’s impossible these things are all disconnected. 

Yeah, it's pretty ***** possible.  Like, it's the only real possibility.  Are you saying former VP Biden was working behind the scenes to install a comedian as president of Ukraine?   
 

Mastermind, or senile... hmmmmm

[ArdmoreRyno]

14 minutes ago, DrW said:

 

This is incorrect. The EU was officially established in 1992 with the Maastricht Treaty. Finland joined in 1995.

 

I stand corrected. They were one of the first. The point still applies. 

 

Finland was not a part of the USSR and was an early member of the EU. Ukraine was part of the USSR and only joined the EU after Russia invaded. 

 

So... @ChiGoose bringing up Finland in comparison to Ukraine, it's not the same scenario. 

[ChiGoose]

28 minutes ago, ArdmoreRyno said:

Finland was a founding member of the EU. Ukraine was not. Ukraine was also IN the USSR before the fall. Finland was not. 

It’s almost as if the real purpose is to restore the USSR and not about NATO…

[BringMetheHeadofLeonLett]

1 hour ago, Chris farley said:

like the gulf war all over again. 

 

with the war mongers calling anyone opposed, a terrorist sympathizer.

 

Same ignorant false dichotomy to promote human carnage on a mass scale.

 

 

 

 

Please explain this post.  Are you saying the war should have never happened?

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

13 minutes ago, BringMetheHeadofLeonLett said:

Yeah, it's pretty ***** possible.  Like, it's the only real possibility.  Are you saying former VP Biden was working behind the scenes to install a comedian as president of Ukraine?   
 

Mastermind, or senile... hmmmmm

I’m only suggesting it’s all connected somehow.

 

It’s always bothered me that Ukraine has been so intertwined in U.S. politics for at least the last 3 administrations.  And the timing of both invasions. Trump was obviously more friendly with Putin as much as a narcissistic egomaniac can be(simultaneously scorning Europe for Russian energy dependency), which then defies the aggression with the Ukraine as doc points out. 
 

everone always lies about all this stuff in real time, but sometimes undeniable pattern unveil themselves in retrospect. 

Edited May 8, 2023 by Over 29 years of fanhood

[Joe Ferguson forever]

1 hour ago, BillStime said:

 

Which cruise line are you on?

Royal Caribbean...Don't send an order to blow up the ship.. There are MAGA's here as well.  First cruise.  Never had the time before.   Will be looking for more...just had an interesting conversation with an Ukranian.  Don't know how he serves Russians.  True grace.  btw, he's both Russian and Ukranian.  Says 90% of Ukrainians are against Russia even in Crimea.

Edited May 8, 2023 by redtail hawk

[The Frankish Reich]

From some Eastern European friends: invasions like this don't come from a position of political strength; they come from a position of political weakness. Putin's Russia is an economic basket case. Realizing that there is no way Russia will be able to emulate the economic success story of Poland and the Baltics, Putin realizes his legacy will be in reconstituting some manner of the Russian Empire.

 

This is what makes it difficult to find a resolution. Ordinary geopolitical type solutions don't work. Have some kind of semi-autonomous Donbas region and a kind of free state in Crimea? It would obviously make sense from a military standpoint, and it would offer the hope of economic stability or even growth in Russia. But its an absolute nonstarter for Putin; it would be seen by him (and his people) as conceding defeat. 

[Irv]

The war is 100% the responsibility of Demented Biden and his buddies.  Putin knows the Democrats are a bunch of pu$$ies more worried about transgender Bud Light drinkers and killing babies in the third trimester than world peace.  What a mess.     

 

  

Edited May 8, 2023 by Irv

[The Frankish Reich]

14 minutes ago, ChiGoose said:

It’s almost as if the real purpose is to restore the USSR and not about NATO…

Putin is careful not to refer to the Soviet Union. His nostalgia goes back way before his time to the Russian Empire. In fact, he blames the Soviet leaders for treating some of the former Republics of the USSR as real nationality-based states, when in his mind it was all a single, unified greater Russia in the golden age. 

[Joe Ferguson forever]

4 minutes ago, Irv said:

The war is 100% the responsibility of Demented Biden and his buddies.  Putin knows the Democrats are a bunch of pu$$ies more worried about transgender Bud Light drinkers and killing babies in the third trimester than world peace.  What a mess.     

 

  

you're a f'in mess and an idiot

[The Frankish Reich]

2 minutes ago, Irv said:

The war is 100% the responsibility of Demented Biden and his buddies.  Putin knows the Democrats are a bunch of pu$$ies more worried about transgender Bud Light drinkers and killing babies in the third trimester than world peace.  What a mess.     

 

  

Yet somehow those pu$$ies and their sick/Westernized Ukrainian freedom fighters are holding off the 21st Century Napoleon.

Maybe it's time to rethink those idiotic Putin-ite memes?

[Irv]

6 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said:

Yet somehow those pu$$ies and their sick/Westernized Ukrainian freedom fighters are holding off the 21st Century Napoleon.

Maybe it's time to rethink those idiotic Putin-ite memes?

If Demented Biden and his lame ass buddies were not in office - no war, no deaths, no destruction, no money wasted.  It's that simple.   You voted for that idiot.  Now we have to deal with the mess.   Is there anything the dopey Democrats have not ***** up?  What a mess.      

[ChiGoose]

10 minutes ago, Irv said:

If Demented Biden and his lame ass buddies were not in office - no war, no deaths, no destruction, no money wasted.  It's that simple.   You voted for that idiot.  Now we have to deal with the mess.   Is there anything the dopey Democrats have not ***** up?  What a mess.      

Man, I gotta get my hands on whatever you’re smoking 

Edited May 8, 2023 by ChiGoose

[Irv]

What have the Democrats not ***** up?  Look around you.  What's not ***** up?  

[Tiberius]

32 minutes ago, Irv said:

The war is 100% the responsibility of Demented Biden and his buddies.  Putin knows the Democrats are a bunch of pu$$ies more worried about transgender Bud Light drinkers and killing babies in the third trimester than world peace.  What a mess.     

 

  

Someone is demented alright 

[Irv]

Just now, Tiberius said:

Someone is demented alright 

 

What's not ***** up? 

[ArdmoreRyno]

38 minutes ago, redtail hawk said:

Royal Caribbean...Don't send an order to blow up the ship.. There are MAGA's here as well.  First cruise.  Never had the time before.   Will be looking for more...just had an interesting conversation with an Ukranian.  Don't know how he serves Russians.  True grace.  btw, he's both Russian and Ukranian.  Says 90% of Ukrainians are against Russia even in Crimea.

 

Sweet! I have stock in RC. Hope you're having a great time. 

[Doc]

1 hour ago, ChiGoose said:

This explains why Russia just invaded Finland when it wanted to join NATO. Putin would want to prevent basically doubling the length of the Russian border with NATO countries. 
 

Oh wait…

 

LOL!  Putin can't even take over Ukraine.  You think he's going to enter into another war?

 

51 minutes ago, ChiGoose said:

It’s almost as if the real purpose is to restore the USSR and not about NATO…

 

Or maybe it's all about Nazis?

[Joe Ferguson forever]

8 minutes ago, ArdmoreRyno said:

 

Sweet! I have stock in RC. Hope you're having a great time. 

great i bought Eli Lilly at 305 about 6 most ago..   Big market for obesity and heard rumors about the new Alzheimers drug. I'll buy a drink in your honor.

 

Sweet dude.:

https://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=royal+caribbean+stock&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8

Edited May 8, 2023 by redtail hawk