Education in America

[Big Blitz]

I give it 10 years then it’s over.  
 

The real estate tax savings are going to be necessary anyway to compensate for your 15 percent interest rate - but housing costs that hold because the government continues to subsidize it.   

 

Democrats turned their back on manufacturing.  They’ll do the same with education.  

 

 

 

 

[Tiberius]

So you had a bad experience with school I take it? 

 

 

[Precision]

SAT score since 1972 are up very slightly (roughly 10%).  This is especially troubling given the SAT resources now available.  Also, there are no statistics cited regarding student that take the test multiple times or "super-scoring".  In the age before the internet, you were lucky to find a book regarding the SAT (I was lucky, my parents found one for me at the mall).  I knew no one that took the test more than once (mid 80's).

 

Average SAT Scores Over Time: 1972–2022

 

The fact that scores have improved so little over 50 years speaks for itself. 

[Tommy Callahan]

2 hours ago, Big Blitz said:

I give it 10 years then it’s over.  
 

The real estate tax savings are going to be necessary anyway to compensate for your 15 percent interest rate - but housing costs that hold because the government continues to subsidize it.   

 

Democrats turned their back on manufacturing.  They’ll do the same with education.  

 

 

 

 

it seems that anyone that can afford it. sends their kids to private or moves to the burbs for the good schools. if they can't afford that, its home schooling.

for a number of reasons.

 

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

10 minutes ago, Chris farley said:

it seems that anyone that can afford it. sends their kids to private or moves to the burbs for the good schools. if they can't afford that, its home schooling.

for a number of reasons.

 

Even in the burbs at least mine, it’s deteriorating.  We’re in and paying property tax for a top tier school cluster in an excellent system, or at least it was. 
 

The DEI stuff is driving to the top of the agenda and scores are continuing to drop. 
 

lots of white male bashing, not so much with the math and science. 

[SectionC3]

1 hour ago, Precision said:

SAT score since 1972 are up very slightly (roughly 10%).  This is especially troubling given the SAT resources now available.  Also, there are no statistics cited regarding student that take the test multiple times or "super-scoring".  In the age before the internet, you were lucky to find a book regarding the SAT (I was lucky, my parents found one for me at the mall).  I knew no one that took the test more than once (mid 80's).

 

Average SAT Scores Over Time: 1972–2022

 

The fact that scores have improved so little over 50 years speaks for itself. 

And explains how we got MAGA.  So many morons out there. 

[Demongyz]

20 minutes ago, SectionC3 said:

And explains how we got MAGA.  So many morons out there. 

This is exactly true.  Many people voted for Trump to combat the morons in Washington. 

[SectionC3]

12 minutes ago, Demongyz said:

This is exactly true.  Many people voted for Trump to combat the morons in Washington. 

There is an element of truth that a group of morons (now, MAGA) voted for an unprincipled, lawless moron (Trump) because they disliked a candidate totally bereft of emotional intelligence (Hillary), whose 2016 campaign might be the greatest set of blunders I can recall in modern politics.  But it doesn’t change the fact that MAGA is comprised principally of morons.  

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

17 minutes ago, SectionC3 said:

The electorate is comprised principally of morons.  

Fixed it for you

[BillsFanNC]

 

[Demongyz]

40 minutes ago, SectionC3 said:

There is an element of truth that a group of morons (now, MAGA) voted for an unprincipled, lawless moron (Trump) because they disliked a candidate totally bereft of emotional intelligence (Hillary), whose 2016 campaign might be the greatest set of blunders I can recall in modern politics.  But it doesn’t change the fact that MAGA is comprised principally of morons.  

yeah, true.  Not nearly as deranged as the Marxist fools on the other side of the aisle.  I mean, Marxism...  Think about that for a moment.

21 minutes ago, BillsFanNC said:

 

Brainwashing young minds.

[Joe Ferguson forever]

The only talented people that go into public education these days are idealists.  The teaching profession is still undervalued and now under attack.  And you wonder why results are worsening and so many educators are progressive.  Compassion and idealism are not characteristics of the vast majority of MAGA's, not to mention that fluency in subjects like calculus and chemistry are as rare as hens teeth among the group.

[BillsFanNC]

Belongs here...

 

 

[Doc]

3 hours ago, Precision said:

SAT score since 1972 are up very slightly (roughly 10%).  This is especially troubling given the SAT resources now available.  Also, there are no statistics cited regarding student that take the test multiple times or "super-scoring".  In the age before the internet, you were lucky to find a book regarding the SAT (I was lucky, my parents found one for me at the mall).  I knew no one that took the test more than once (mid 80's).

 

Average SAT Scores Over Time: 1972–2022

 

The fact that scores have improved so little over 50 years speaks for itself. 

 

And the SAT has gotten easier in the last few years, for the losers.  Just churning out more stupid people to vote Dem someday. 

[Demongyz]

35 minutes ago, BillsFanNC said:

Belongs here...

 

 

Wonder where a male egg farmer would fit into this...

[Andy1]

Content in textbooks has always been an issue. When I went to school, they never taught about the massacre at Black Wall Street in Oklahoma or a whole bunch of other uncomfortable truths in our history. Heck, in Catholic school, Jesus was always a white guy. 
 

Teaching and healthcare are two fields where instead of bitching about it, go submit an employment application. Both fields can certainly use the help. It’s easy to complain but much, much harder to do the work.

[BillsFanNC]

7 minutes ago, Demongyz said:

Wonder where a male egg farmer would fit into this...

 

Or a female sperm whale that identifies as human.

[Precision]

59 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

And the SAT has gotten easier in the last few years, for the losers.  Just churning out more stupid people to vote Dem someday. 

On top of that we are spending more than ever......

 

Total and current expenditures per pupil in public elementary and secondary schools: Selected years, 1919-20 through 2018-19

 

 

[Doc]

58 minutes ago, Precision said:

On top of that we are spending more than ever......

 

Total and current expenditures per pupil in public elementary and secondary schools: Selected years, 1919-20 through 2018-19

 

Spending more money to reduce standards.  Brilliant.

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

3 hours ago, BillsFanNC said:

Belongs here...

 

 

I like to think of it as they are teaching them how to speak moron. 

[SectionC3]

1 hour ago, Doc said:

 

Spending more money to reduce standards.  Brilliant.

Solid point.  If this keeps up, then soon enough we'll be cranking out physicians who believe that HCQ and Ivermectin are effective treatments for COVID. 

[Doc]

22 minutes ago, SectionC3 said:

Solid point.  If this keeps up, then soon enough we'll be cranking out physicians who believe that HCQ and Ivermectin are effective treatments for COVID. 

 

As opposed to those who championed the truly dangerous and ineffective remdesivir?  Stay in that 3rd chair.

Edited April 26, 2023 by Doc

[SectionC3]

1 hour ago, Doc said:

 

As opposed to those who championed the truly dangerous and ineffective remdesivir?  Stay in that 3rd chair.

Is this what MAGA calls gaslighting?  You and I are both concerned about our education system.  I'm worried that continued dilution of our educational standards and processes will result in the licensing of physicians who believe in hoaxes such as the utility of HCQ and Ivermectin in combating COVID.  

 

If memory serves, and heaven knows I don't have the best memory, you are a physician who believed (and, perhaps, believes) in the utility of those COVID-inefficacious drugs.  Rather than contest that point, you--and forgive me, maybe I have this wrong--appear to be gaslighting by referring to a different issue that nobody else has raised.  

 

Sad.  

[Big Blitz]

1 hour ago, SectionC3 said:

Is this what MAGA calls gaslighting?  You and I are both concerned about our education system.  I'm worried that continued dilution of our educational standards and processes will result in the licensing of physicians who believe in hoaxes such as the utility of HCQ and Ivermectin in combating COVID.  
 

 

 

 

But not that they were terrified to lose their license if they didn’t “follow the science” on all things masks, lock downs, Covid origins, vaccine side effects, and actual data.  

 

[Big Blitz]

8 hours ago, redtail hawk said:

The only talented people that go into public education these days are idealists.  The teaching profession is still undervalued and now under attack.  And you wonder why results are worsening and so many educators are progressive.  Compassion and idealism are not characteristics of the vast majority of MAGA's, not to mention that fluency in subjects like calculus and chemistry are as rare as hens teeth among the group.

 

We’re not the ones banning calculus Red Book:

 

 

You people either have no clue or just truly hope everyone is as ignorant as you are.  

6 hours ago, Andy1 said:

Content in textbooks has always been an issue. When I went to school, they never taught about the massacre at Black Wall Street in Oklahoma or a whole bunch of other uncomfortable truths in our history. Heck, in Catholic school, Jesus was always a white guy. 
 

Teaching and healthcare are two fields where instead of bitching about it, go submit an employment application. Both fields can certainly use the help. It’s easy to complain but much, much harder to do the work.

 

 

What’s more likely - Public education teaching the accurate parade of horribles of communism or Hollywood producing movies critical of China?  
 

 

Answer:  Neither are likely.  But yes let’s teach 10 year olds America is this evil place that had evil founders and racists everywhere.   

[Joe Ferguson forever]

8 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

 

We’re not the ones banning calculus Red Book:

 

 

You people either have no clue or just truly hope everyone is as ignorant as you are.  

it's a proposal under debate.  And it's stoopid.  There are stupid people on both sides.  Don't see this becoming policy.  Let's wait and see.

 

https://marketbrief.edweek.org/marketplace-k-12/california-pushes-release-math-framework-2023-long-fight/

Edited April 26, 2023 by redtail hawk

[Orlando Tim]

6 hours ago, redtail hawk said:

it's a proposal under debate.  And it's stoopid.  There are stupid people on both sides.  Don't see this becoming policy.  Let's wait and see.

 

https://marketbrief.edweek.org/marketplace-k-12/california-pushes-release-math-framework-2023-long-fight/

Where you are incorrect is that this has already started to happen:

https://sfstandard.com/education/controversy-rages-as-california-follows-sfs-lead-with-new-approach-to-teaching-math/

 

The reason this concept of slowing everyone down is so appalling to me is that in each class I have some high achieving minorites. It literally is destroying their path to achievement. If we did this with sports we have 12 year olds still hitting off the tees.

[Doc]

8 hours ago, SectionC3 said:

Is this what MAGA calls gaslighting?  You and I are both concerned about our education system.  I'm worried that continued dilution of our educational standards and processes will result in the licensing of physicians who believe in hoaxes such as the utility of HCQ and Ivermectin in combating COVID.  

 

If memory serves, and heaven knows I don't have the best memory, you are a physician who believed (and, perhaps, believes) in the utility of those COVID-inefficacious drugs.  Rather than contest that point, you--and forgive me, maybe I have this wrong--appear to be gaslighting by referring to a different issue that nobody else has raised.  

 

Sad.  

 

No surprise given the lack of brains you possess.

[Andy1]

6 hours ago, Big Blitz said:

But yes let’s teach 10 year olds America is this evil place that had evil founders and racists everywhere.   

Teaching the whole truth does not mean America is an evil place. It just means that we are a nation founded on ideals that we haven’t always lived up to in the actions of those who came before us. Working towards achieving those ideals is an ongoing process. It’s what makes America exceptional.

[Tommy Callahan]

43 minutes ago, Andy1 said:

Teaching the whole truth does not mean America is an evil place. It just means that we are a nation founded on ideals that we haven’t always lived up to in the actions of those who came before us. Working towards achieving those ideals is an ongoing process. It’s what makes America exceptional.

The entire truth would be something.  kinda complex for 10 year olds.

 

its seems to be what people choose they believe is the truth.  the 1619 project?  has some points, also has entire parts that were blown up by actual historians. 

 

Imagine if we celebrated Independence Day November 25.  And years later cause the British didn't leave NY till 1783.    but that would be crazy talk.

 

When do we teach kids who Claudette Colvin was and why Rosa Parks was promoted for the civil rights movement.  Cause that would kind of be CRT and the entire truth. but again doesn't seem like 1960's American sociology is standard course work for elementary age kids

 

Do we start teaching about Hopewell and pre clovis with the land bridge story?

 

True Native history prior to European arrival?

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Joe Ferguson forever]

15 hours ago, BillsFanNC said:

Belongs here...

 

 

he looks and sounds like the kind of doc I'd refer you to to remove a grapefruit sized tumor from your brain.  To be fair he has good reviews as a nephrologist.  Thankfully, I'm not on dialysis....

Edited April 26, 2023 by redtail hawk

[BillsFanNC]

 

[Big Blitz]

5 hours ago, B-Man said:

 

 

 

Omg

 

 

[BillStime]

Listen to this POS - the face of Bonnie and Big Ditz in one:

 

 

[Big Blitz]

 

 

 

[SectionC3]

On 4/25/2023 at 9:00 PM, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

I like to think of it as they are teaching them how to speak moron. 

They should take a field trip to a MAGA rally.  Much more effective. 

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

38 minutes ago, SectionC3 said:

They should take a field trip to a MAGA rally.  Much more effective. 

if you have first hand knowledge they practice woke word substitution at those, sure that works too. 

[SectionC3]

15 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

if you have first hand knowledge they practice woke word substitution at those, sure that works too. 

I haven't been.  I don't think I'd fit in.  I have all of my teeth, I have a job, and I'm not morbidly obese.  I also don't blame everyone else for all of my self-inflicted problems (diabetes, stupidity, poor credit, obesity, bullet holes in the side of my double-wide, etc.), so a MAGA rally is not the place for me.  

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

1 hour ago, SectionC3 said:

I haven't been.  I don't think I'd fit in.  I have all of my teeth, I have a job, and I'm not morbidly obese.  I also don't blame everyone else for all of my self-inflicted problems (diabetes, stupidity, poor credit, obesity, bullet holes in the side of my double-wide, etc.), so a MAGA rally is not the place for me.  

At least you recognize your diabetes stupidity poor credit obesity, poor curb appeal are self inflicted. That the fist step to breaking your dependency on the government. Realizing they don’t need to control your life. 

[Doc]

You could go to a BLM rally.  Lots of self-inflicted problems there...