The Walls be Closing

[BillStime]

17 minutes ago, Chris farley said:

the boy that cried wolf is a very old story that you seemed to miss.

 

once integrity is gone, its very hard to get back.

 

 

 

Um, you defend this POS 24 7 365:

 

 

Please do NOT ever use the word integrity again - because you have NONE.

[Tommy Callahan]

^^^^^^^^^^^ absolutely no integrity, lacks basic problem-solving skills, is obsessed with that orange guy^^^^^^^^^^^^^

 

 

[BillStime]

3 hours ago, Chris farley said:

^^^^^^^^^^^ absolutely no integrity, lacks basic problem-solving skills, is obsessed with that orange guy^^^^^^^^^^^^^

 

 

[JaCrispy]

5 hours ago, BillStime said:

 

Meh…must be a slow news day…I don’t even care about the boxes of documents Biden had…🤣🤣🤣

[Governor]

1 hour ago, JaCrispy said:

Meh…must be a slow news day…I don’t even care about the boxes of documents Biden had…🤣🤣🤣

What about Hillary’s emails?

[ChiGoose]

1 hour ago, JaCrispy said:

Meh…must be a slow news day…I don’t even care about the boxes of documents Biden had…🤣🤣🤣

 

7 minutes ago, Governor said:

What about Hillary’s emails?

It’s almost as if there’s an intent component of the law…

[Joe Ferguson forever]

https://www.mediaite.com/news/trump-denies-reports-hes-been-told-hes-getting-indicted-as-his-own-truth-social-alerts-users-its-imminent/

"Pizzagate conspiracy theorist Jack Posobiec also claimed that Trump will be indicted next week, adding further fuel to the flames and hyping up the MAGA base."

This is fun!

Edited June 7, 2023 by redtail hawk

[BillStime]

 

[JaCrispy]

53 minutes ago, Governor said:

What about Hillary’s emails?

Oh, that’s so 2010’s…gotta get with the time my man…😉

[Doc]

1 hour ago, ChiGoose said:

It’s almost as if there’s an intent component of the law…

 

Yup.  Good luck proving what Trump intended to do with the classified information.

[ChiGoose]

6 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

Yup.  Good luck proving what Trump intended to do with the classified information.

You don’t have to prove what he wanted to do with it, you just need to prove that he intended to take or keep it. 

[Westside]

5 minutes ago, ChiGoose said:

You don’t have to prove what he wanted to do with it, you just need to prove that he intended to take or keep it. 

Then joke biden is dead in the water. Add in bribery, corruption, money laundering, he should spend the last few years in a prison cell.

[ChiGoose]

14 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

Yup.  Good luck proving what Trump intended to do with the classified information.

What argument are you going to make in a court of law that convinces a jury beyond a reasonable doubt that Joe Biden himself personally intended to take the documents?

 

Remember, mere possession isn’t enough. His defense will be that he didn’t personally pack the boxes, didn’t know the docs were in there, and when he discovered them, he immediately notified authorities and cooperated fully. 
 

Additionally, his defense attorney would seek to admit into evidence the information about Pence’s documents to underscore that there is a problem with security around these documents and spillage is more common that we would think.

[Doc]

1 hour ago, ChiGoose said:

What argument are you going to make in a court of law that convinces a jury beyond a reasonable doubt that Joe Biden himself personally intended to take the documents?

 

Remember, mere possession isn’t enough. His defense will be that he didn’t personally pack the boxes, didn’t know the docs were in there, and when he discovered them, he immediately notified authorities and cooperated fully. 
 

Additionally, his defense attorney would seek to admit into evidence the information about Pence’s documents to underscore that there is a problem with security around these documents and spillage is more common that we would think.

 

Ah so all you care about is what a court of law thinks?  You don't care that Biden had them and what he might have done with them.  He's so trustworthy, right?  Having documents all over the place and in unsecured locations means nothing, it was all just accidental and not his fault.  Congrats, you're exactly how they want you to be.

[ChiGoose]

6 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

Ah so all you care about is what a court of law thinks?  You don't care that Biden had them and what he might have done with them.  He's so trustworthy, right?  Having documents all over the place and in unsecured locations means nothing, it was all just accidental and not his fault.  Congrats, you're exactly how they want you to be.

No, I care what the facts show. If Biden knew he had them and was using them, he should be indicted. 

[Doc]

1 minute ago, ChiGoose said:

No, I care what the facts show. If Biden knew he had them and was using them, he should be indicted. 

 

Yes because if you can't prove it, it didn't happen, right? 

[ChiGoose]

17 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

Yes because if you can't prove it, it didn't happen, right? 

No, but if you can’t prove it, it’s difficult to enact consequences.

[Tenhigh]

2 hours ago, ChiGoose said:

What argument are you going to make in a court of law that convinces a jury beyond a reasonable doubt that Joe Biden himself personally intended to take the documents?

 

Remember, mere possession isn’t enough. His defense will be that he didn’t personally pack the boxes, didn’t know the docs were in there, and when he discovered them, he immediately notified authorities and cooperated fully. 
 

Additionally, his defense attorney would seek to admit into evidence the information about Pence’s documents to underscore that there is a problem with security around these documents and spillage is more common that we would think.

Willful negligence?

[JDHillFan]

25 minutes ago, Tenhigh said:

Willful negligence?

No. It was repeated accidental spillage that others made happen to Biden over a period of many years back to his senate days. Why is that so hard to believe? 

[ChiGoose]

28 minutes ago, Tenhigh said:

Willful negligence?

The statutes in question generally require actual intention. While you may be able to justify a charge under gross negligence, you’d be very unlikely to succeed, or even survive a motion to dismiss. 

[Westside]

9 hours ago, ChiGoose said:

The statutes in question generally require actual intention. While you may be able to justify a charge under gross negligence, you’d be very unlikely to succeed, or even survive a motion to dismiss. 

They were in his garage next to his corvette! Which he has been photographed driving! You’re telling me he never noticed them? Or went through any of them? Good lord are you brainwashed!!!

[ChiGoose]

1 hour ago, Westside said:

They were in his garage next to his corvette! Which he has been photographed driving! You’re telling me he never noticed them? Or went through any of them? Good lord are you brainwashed!!!

I’m telling you that you would need more than that to convict. His defense will be that he never opened the boxes. Do you have proof that he did?

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

12 hours ago, Doc said:

 

Ah so all you care about is what a court of law thinks?  You don't care that Biden had them and what he might have done with them.  He's so trustworthy, right?  Having documents all over the place and in unsecured locations means nothing, it was all just accidental and not his fault.  Congrats, you're exactly how they want you to be.

 

1 hour ago, Westside said:

They were in his garage next to his corvette! Which he has been photographed driving! You’re telling me he never noticed them? Or went through any of them? Good lord are you brainwashed!!!

Of course it makes very little sense that Biden is a victim of a series of unfortunate events spanning his various roles in government, likely with a multitude of different personnel involved, and classified documents held at multiple locations.  
 

That he spoke about this very sort of instance prior to the documents being discovered implies it was top of mind, and certainly his feigned ignorance of wrongdoing is laughable.

 

 It’s fun though to watch true Biden acolytes thread the needle, especially where the garage/corvette is concerned.  The image of a pretentious narcissist who cared more about his dopey car than national secrets says an awful lot about his state of mind.

 

Anyway, that said, the key to finding the truth here is for the SC to investigate, find out who the people are that Biden and his legal team suggests are responsible for this critical lapse, consider charges against them and see what shakes out.  Someone, somewhere f@cked up, and the list of people responsible has to be very short given the nature of the job and the people they worked for.  
 

Sadly, that won’t happen because as it has been suggested, just about every President from Reagan on—and likely every high ranking Senator or Congressman—would be similarly exposed by a deep dive into this.  

 

 

[Westside]

11 minutes ago, ChiGoose said:

I’m telling you that you would need more than that to convict. His defense will be that he never opened the boxes. Do you have proof that he did?

Keep covering for these crooks. Better yet, keep your head buried in the sand when it comes to democrats who break the law.  

[BillsFanNC]

12 hours ago, Doc said:

 

Ah so all you care about is what a court of law thinks?  You don't care that Biden had them and what he might have done with them.  He's so trustworthy, right?  Having documents all over the place and in unsecured locations means nothing, it was all just accidental and not his fault.  Congrats, you're exactly how they want you to be.

 

You are trying to discuss an issue with someone who will always hand wave away any and all democrat  behavior. They're always just mistakes, never done with any intent, explained away in a bloviating word salad. 

 

At least @BillStime  @Tiberiusand @redtail hawk just regurgitate the same tired BS, while @ChiGoose actually puts his pretzel twisting mental gymnastics in digital ink while expecting others to see him as neutral and fair. 

 

In that respect he's far worse than the other leftist partisans here.

 

At least they don't pretend to be what they aren't. 

[L Ron Burgundy]

35 minutes ago, BillsFanNC said:

 

You are trying to discuss an issue with someone who will always hand wave away any and all democrat  behavior. They're always just mistakes, never done with any intent, explained away in a bloviating word salad. 

 

At least @BillStime  @Tiberiusand @redtail hawk just regurgitate the same tired BS, while @ChiGoose actually puts his pretzel twisting mental gymnastics in digital ink while expecting others to see him as neutral and fair. 

 

In that respect he's far worse than the other leftist partisans here.

 

At least they don't pretend to be what they aren't. 

Remind us again,  you're an independent right?  

[ChiGoose]

52 minutes ago, Westside said:

Keep covering for these crooks. Better yet, keep your head buried in the sand when it comes to democrats who break the law.  

I’m merely stating facts here, sorry if it doesn’t fit your worldview. 
 

Federal prosecutors do not bring charges unless they believe they will win the case. 

The law requires intent by the charged individual. Biden’s defense will be that the Vice President doesn’t pack up his own office and he hadn’t opened those boxes or saw the documents since they were moved. The Feds would need evidence to convince a jury beyond a reasonable doubt that this wasn’t true. 
 

Such evidence could include:

1. Government documents in Biden’s personal desk drawer mixed in with items from after he left office; or

2. A letter from Biden’s attorneys saying that he had the documents but will not be returning them; or
3. Testimony from those close to Biden with personal knowledge that he talked about having the documents and/or showed them to others; or

4. Biden himself publicly talking or bragging about still having the documents; or

5. Surveillance footage of people taking documents from those boxes with testimony from those individuals that they were ordered to do so by Biden

 

Any of those would help convince a jury that Biden knew about the documents and didn’t turn them in.
 

So far, you seem to be implying that Vice Presidents gain a new sense where they can detect documents nearby. I just don’t think that’s going to fly with even the most conservative jury. 

[BillStime]

15 hours ago, Doc said:

 

Yup.  Good luck proving what Trump intended to do with the classified information.

 

Intent was proven when he had his lawyers sign documents saying everything was returned... when that was not the case.

 

You're no DOC and you're definitely no lawyer.

 

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

1 hour ago, BillsFanNC said:

 

You are trying to discuss an issue with someone who will always hand wave away any and all democrat  behavior. They're always just mistakes, never done with any intent, explained away in a bloviating word salad. 

 

At least @BillStime  @Tiberiusand @redtail hawk just regurgitate the same tired BS, while @ChiGoose actually puts his pretzel twisting mental gymnastics in digital ink while expecting others to see him as neutral and fair. 

 

In that respect he's far worse than the other leftist partisans here.

 

At least they don't pretend to be what they aren't. 

In fairness, the other day I quoted directly from Mueller and the response seemed imply that he didn’t mean what he said, that he only said it because he couldn’t say anything else, and that when you’re trying to reach a predetermined conclusion sometimes the facts don’t cooperate.  
 

 

 

[Doc]

13 hours ago, ChiGoose said:

No, but if you can’t prove it, it’s difficult to enact consequences.

 

I can prove he had documents he should not have had, especially from his time as a Senator.  How they got there doesn't matter in the least to me and again since several troves were found and in wholly insecure and conspicuous locations, I don't care that he returned some initially.  You can feign ignorance and/or make excuses for him, but the facts are what they are and being so naive to think they accidentally ended up there says more about you and your ilk than anything else.

[ChiGoose]

8 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

I can prove he had documents he should not have had, especially from his time as a Senator.  How they got there doesn't matter in the least to me and again since several troves were found and in wholly insecure and conspicuous locations, I don't care that he returned some initially.  You can feign ignorance and/or make excuses for him, but the facts are what they are and being so naive to think they accidentally ended up there says more about you and your ilk than anything else.

People keep asking why Biden isn’t in trouble while Trump is. That’s what I’m explaining. Trump could have avoided all of these problems if he acted like Biden or Pence. He didn’t, and now he is reaping what he sowed. 

Edited June 8, 2023 by ChiGoose

[BillsFanNC]

I'm sure Hunter tapped out this 22 point email outlining in astonishing detail US strategy in Ukraine, all on his own, between rounds of hookers and blow.

 

 

And if you believe that, you just might be a useful idiot like @ChiGoose.

 

 

For Hunter, it was an uncharacteristically lengthy email, listing 22 points about Ukraine’s political situation, with detailed information about the upcoming election and predicting an escalation of Russia’s “destabilization campaign, which could lead to a full-scale takeover of the eastern region, most critically Donetsk. 

 

In point 22, Hunter instructed Archer to buy a “burner phone,” presumably to keep their conversations private. “Buy a cell phone from a 7/11 or CVS tmrw and ill do the same.” 

 

It’s a prescient and very well-informed email, unlike anything else Hunter wrote in the nine years covered in the laptop, and it has the distinct flavor of an official briefing, perhaps even a classified one. 

 

 

Edited June 8, 2023 by BillsFanNC

[ChiGoose]

13 minutes ago, BillsFanNC said:

I'm sure Hunter tapped out this 22 point email outlining in astonishing detail US strategy in Ukraine, all on his own, between rounds of hookers and blow.

 

 

And if you believe that, you just might be a useful idiot like @ChiGoose.

 

 

For Hunter, it was an uncharacteristically lengthy email, listing 22 points about Ukraine’s political situation, with detailed information about the upcoming election and predicting an escalation of Russia’s “destabilization campaign, which could lead to a full-scale takeover of the eastern region, most critically Donetsk. 

 

In point 22, Hunter instructed Archer to buy a “burner phone,” presumably to keep their conversations private. “Buy a cell phone from a 7/11 or CVS tmrw and ill do the same.” 

 

It’s a prescient and very well-informed email, unlike anything else Hunter wrote in the nine years covered in the laptop, and it has the distinct flavor of an official briefing, perhaps even a classified one. 

 

 

Still can’t stop thinking about me? 🥰🥰🥰

[Westside]

13 minutes ago, BillsFanNC said:

I'm sure Hunter tapped out this 22 point email outlining in astonishing detail US strategy in Ukraine, all on his own, between rounds of hookers and blow.

 

 

And if you believe that, you just might be a useful idiot like @ChiGoose.

 

 

For Hunter, it was an uncharacteristically lengthy email, listing 22 points about Ukraine’s political situation, with detailed information about the upcoming election and predicting an escalation of Russia’s “destabilization campaign, which could lead to a full-scale takeover of the eastern region, most critically Donetsk. 

 

In point 22, Hunter instructed Archer to buy a “burner phone,” presumably to keep their conversations private. “Buy a cell phone from a 7/11 or CVS tmrw and ill do the same.” 

 

It’s a prescient and very well-informed email, unlike anything else Hunter wrote in the nine years covered in the laptop, and it has the distinct flavor of an official briefing, perhaps even a classified one. 

 

 

Yeah, he didn’t have access to those classified documents. All crackheads are coherent and intelligent. LMAO

[BillsFanNC]

Some of the classified documents found in Bidens office were about Ukraine.

 

An FBI informant has alleged, years ago, that Biden took a 5 million dollar bribe from Ukraine.

 

And @ChiGoose will still tell you there is nothing to see here.

 

 

Edited June 8, 2023 by BillsFanNC

[Tommy Callahan]

28 minutes ago, BillsFanNC said:

Some of the classified documents found in Bidens office were about Ukraine.

 

An FBI informant has alleged, years ago, that Biden took a 5 million dollar bribe from Ukraine.

 

And @ChiGoose will still tell you there is nothing to see here.

 

 

The private office in the Penn/Biden center?  

[BillsFanNC]

4 minutes ago, Chris farley said:

The private office in the Penn/Biden center?  

 

@ChiGoose   

 

Classified documents found their way into a folder labeled "personal" in Joe Biden's personal office.

 

Bloviating....intent...bloviating...prove intent...hand waving....bloviating.

 

The source told CNN that a personal lawyer for Biden was closing out the downtown DC office that Biden used as part his work with the University of Pennsylvania. The lawyer saw a manila folder that was labeled “personal,” opened the envelope and noticed there were classified documents inside. The lawyer closed the envelope and called NARA, the source said.

[ChiGoose]

6 minutes ago, BillsFanNC said:

 

@ChiGoose   

 

Classified documents found their way into a folder labeled "personal" in Joe Biden's personal office.

 

Bloviating....intent...bloviating...prove intent...hand waving....bloviating.

 

The source told CNN that a personal lawyer for Biden was closing out the downtown DC office that Biden used as part his work with the University of Pennsylvania. The lawyer saw a manila folder that was labeled “personal,” opened the envelope and noticed there were classified documents inside. The lawyer closed the envelope and called NARA, the source said.

That’s certainly a bad fact for Biden.

[JDHillFan]

29 minutes ago, BillsFanNC said:

 

@ChiGoose   

 

Classified documents found their way into a folder labeled "personal" in Joe Biden's personal office.

 

Bloviating....intent...bloviating...prove intent...hand waving....bloviating.

 

The source told CNN that a personal lawyer for Biden was closing out the downtown DC office that Biden used as part his work with the University of Pennsylvania. The lawyer saw a manila folder that was labeled “personal,” opened the envelope and noticed there were classified documents inside. The lawyer closed the envelope and called NARA, the source said.

It was spilled there accidentally most likely by a staffer sometime over the course of many years. Hard to pinpoint because others made this happen to Biden so many times. 

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

13 minutes ago, BillsFanNC said:

I'm sure Hunter tapped out this 22 point email outlining in astonishing detail US strategy in Ukraine, all on his own, between rounds of hookers and blow.

 

 

And if you believe that, you just might be a useful idiot like @ChiGoose.

 

 

For Hunter, it was an uncharacteristically lengthy email, listing 22 points about Ukraine’s political situation, with detailed information about the upcoming election and predicting an escalation of Russia’s “destabilization campaign, which could lead to a full-scale takeover of the eastern region, most critically Donetsk. 

 

In point 22, Hunter instructed Archer to buy a “burner phone,” presumably to keep their conversations private. “Buy a cell phone from a 7/11 or CVS tmrw and ill do the same.” 

 

It’s a prescient and very well-informed email, unlike anything else Hunter wrote in the nine years covered in the laptop, and it has the distinct flavor of an official briefing, perhaps even a classified one. 

 

 

Here’s the liberal response in order:

 

It was only Trump who did this obviously.  No President never did nothing like this.  It was only Trump and DOJ personnel literally had to go and find the documents because he wasn’t responsive. 
 

Oh, yeah, I mean, sure maybe it wasn’t only Trump

 but Biden didn’t know he had material secreted away in his office because someone else did it, and they’re not at fault either.  

Oh, sure, the problem was discovered before the midterms and news not released until after all the voting was in.  These are confusing times and Biden in his zeal to make things right  probably just forgot about the election cycle.  

 

Oh yeah, well sure it turns out Biden had classified documents in multiple places, he was victimized by multiple individuals over multiple years including probably 3 or 4 Penske drivers.   Plus he told the DOJ about the material he held in secrecy for many, many years and they came and got it…end of story.

 

Well, sure, yeah the DOJ actually found more documents that he and his team had turned over, in a separate location, that he and his team hadn’t found first.  That happens when you don’t know where documents are—who would have thought they would be in the freaking garage???  That’s not on him, or anyone really.