Einstein Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 4 hours ago, Success said: Thompson didn't have a great day against the Bills. That game is a blowout in the Bills favor without the turnovers - especially Josh's fumble/TD, and the pass that bounced off of Beasley. So what? The QB fumbling and passes bouncing off receivers and ST miscues are all part of bad team play. The team did not look right since October but you keep ignoring that point 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 1 minute ago, Einstein said: So what? The QB fumbling and passes bouncing off receivers and ST miscues are all part of bad team play. The team did not look right since October but you keep ignoring that point There's little question that the cumulative effect of weather events, injuries to key players, serious health issues, and personal tragedies combined to diminish the Bills' play over the course of the season. The numbers for Dorsey's offense were not bad, but the game plans were uneven and he did not make use of the tools available to him. The weakness of both the DL and the OL eventually sunk the team and by the Cincy game, Josh and Co. were running on empty. Dorsey will have to make a leap. He may or may not, but there's no self-evident reason that he won't. I think adding another quality TE will be helpful and allow the implementation of more 12 personnel looks. We also need to bring a bruiser RB into the room. Personally, I'd like to upgrade WR 2, though I am not certain OBD feels that way. Hopefully McD taking over the D gets more out of the relatively unimpressive young DL acquisitions that Beane has spent quality picks on. Don't be surprised if they use a first round pick on a LB to replace Edmunds. I've been meaning to ask you if you still think there is a viable steady state cosmology, and is it true that Niels Bohr was addicted to pistachios? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 6 hours ago, BillsFanSD said: Okay, but . . . offense and ST are part of the game. The Bills gave up 31 points to a team led by Skylar Thompson. It doesn't really matter how many of those points are credited to the offense, the defense, or special teams. That simply shouldn't happen. Period. I was responding to a comment about the defense’s performance, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That's No Moon Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 IMO the Bengals exploited every weakness the Bills have and embarrassed them. They were on the way to doing the same thing in the earlier game too. The lines are soft. The offense relies WAY too much on Allen. The defense is a joke against quality quarterbacks. I don't see any of this changing. The team is built around a quarterback but they go into every year with jobbers on 60 percent of the line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Success Posted March 19 Author Share Posted March 19 38 minutes ago, Einstein said: So what? The QB fumbling and passes bouncing off receivers and ST miscues are all part of bad team play. The team did not look right since October but you keep ignoring that point I'm not "ignoring" it. I see the Miami game as a bit flukey in terms of how the Phins stayed in that game. If you want to choose to think that's "how we are," I can't really argue it. I just don't agree w/ it. The team went through a LOT the last part of the season. More than any team I can remember. When we lost to Cincy, I think it was easy to see the mental exhaustion as the game wore on. Again - you can say that's "who they are," and I can't argue it. Teams have to overcome adversity to win a championship. I just thought the adversity THAT team went through hit a tipping point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnNord Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 7 hours ago, Mr. WEO said: They were just 2 of the guys who didn't show up. If you watched the game and concluded that Edmunds and Oliver were the main problem....then I cannot answer your question. So you still aren’t answering my question… I’m simply pointing out that some of the issues on defense had absolutely nothing to scheme or play calling - players like Edmunds and Oliver (among others) just got their asses kicked. No matter how hard you want to try - you can’t blame coaching for this. This destroys your entire argument which you could properly defend in the first place. L 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 4 minutes ago, Success said: I'm not "ignoring" it. I see the Miami game as a bit flukey in terms of how the Phins stayed in that game. If you want to choose to think that's "how we are," I can't really argue it. I just don't agree w/ it. The team went through a LOT the last part of the season. More than any team I can remember. When we lost to Cincy, I think it was easy to see the mental exhaustion as the game wore on. Again - you can say that's "who they are," and I can't argue it. Teams have to overcome adversity to win a championship. I just thought the adversity THAT team went through hit a tipping point. What about the Jets game? Vikings game? Barely beating Detroit? Miami put up over 400 yards against us just a few weeks prior to the playoff game? We were also about to be blown out in Cinci. Remember Cinci carving up our defense down the field and they were driving with ease again before Damar got hurt and the game was ended. To frame a conversation with the context that it was just the Cinci or Miami game is not intellectually honest. The team STRUGGLED for much of the last 2/3rd’s of the season. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 5 hours ago, Success said: Thompson didn't have a great day against the Bills. That game is a blowout in the Bills favor without the turnovers - especially Josh's fumble/TD, and the pass that bounced off of Beasley. Miami had a couple of drops in that game that may have resulted in a different outcome Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToGoGo Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 1 hour ago, JMM said: Great writeup, but this is WAAAY too reasonable for this board! Don't you know that we are in free fall, the window has closed and McDermott/Beane are failures? 🙄🙄🙄 Yeah, my ignore list is filled with those people. Last season was tough, don't get me wrong. It felt like destiny that we were going to overcome all of this and win it all. And then we didn't. The Dolphins game was unexplainably close with a 3rd string QB and then the Bengals game happened. It left everybody confused. "Burning it all down" is the fall-back mechanism for some. They're not tough or realists like they want you to think, they're just "runners". They run when things get tough. Then blow smoke in your face so you don't realize they're quitters. I think we just ran out of juice. The human mind has limits. We overcame most of them last year. And then the hardest one of all hit (Hamlin) and we had a little juice left, but it ran out quick. Compare to the Chiefs. Compare Allen's adversity this year to Mahomes limping on a bum leg in the playoffs while the rest of his team stepped up and defenses left Kelce wide open. One is not like the other. I think people want to compare in a vacuum because it's easy, but it's not easy, and that is why certain people always seem to make money on the stock market and others never seem to. The ability to see these complexities in a simplified way is tough. What happened is clear to me: Bills - Great team that dealt with all-time level adversity and just ran out of gas. Chiefs - Great team that dealt with some adversity and had many lucky breaks. Again, these things balance themselves out. Bills will be luckier next year and the Chiefs and Bengals will be unluckier. And when that happens, you bet on the team that has proven they can overcome adversity again and again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottLaw Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 (edited) 19 minutes ago, That's No Moon said: IMO the Bengals exploited every weakness the Bills have and embarrassed them. They were on the way to doing the same thing in the earlier game too. The lines are soft. The offense relies WAY too much on Allen. The defense is a joke against quality quarterbacks. I don't see any of this changing. The team is built around a quarterback but they go into every year with jobbers on 60 percent of the line. I am holding out hope they bring in a guy like OBJ/Jeudy opposite Diggs and load up on offense in the draft…. Sadly, I think it will take a regime change to finally go this route which probably won’t be for a few years after more playoff failures/down seasons. Edited March 19 by ScottLaw 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Success Posted March 19 Author Share Posted March 19 8 minutes ago, Einstein said: What about the Jets game? Vikings game? Barely beating Detroit? Miami put up over 400 yards against us just a few weeks prior to the playoff game? We were also about to be blown out in Cinci. Remember Cinci carving up our defense down the field and they were driving with ease again before Damar got hurt and the game was ended. To frame a conversation with the context that it was just the Cinci or Miami game is not intellectually honest. The team STRUGGLED for much of the last 2/3rd’s of the season. All teams have a bit of that. KC almost lost to Jax. If Huntley didn't fumble at the goal-line, Cincy wouldn't have gotten past the 1st round. I don't disagree that the Bills struggles in the last month or so, but there were some extenuating circumstances. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 13 minutes ago, JohnNord said: So you still aren’t answering my question… I’m simply pointing out that some of the issues on defense had absolutely nothing to scheme or play calling - players like Edmunds and Oliver (among others) just got their asses kicked. No matter how hard you want to try - you can’t blame coaching for this. This destroys your entire argument which you could properly defend in the first place. L How much more simple can I make this? Coaching staff's job is to have their playoff team mentally and physically ready for a playoff game. Plus they have to have a cogent game plan. None of that was apparent that day. It wasn't just a string of boneheaded player errors. These guys were not properly prepared....and you conclude that this had nothing to do with coaching? lol, ok--well argued. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottLaw Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 (edited) 9 minutes ago, ToGoGo said: Yeah, my ignore list is filled with those people. Last season was tough, don't get me wrong. It felt like destiny that we were going to overcome all of this and win it all. And then we didn't. The Dolphins game was unexplainably close with a 3rd string QB and then the Bengals game happened. It left everybody confused. "Burning it all down" is the fall-back mechanism for some. They're not tough or realists like they want you to think, they're just "runners". They run when things get tough. Then blow smoke in your face so you don't realize they're quitters. I think we just ran out of juice. The human mind has limits. We overcame most of them last year. And then the hardest one of all hit (Hamlin) and we had a little juice left, but it ran out quick. Compare to the Chiefs. Compare Allen's adversity this year to Mahomes limping on a bum leg in the playoffs while the rest of his team stepped up and defenses left Kelce wide open. One is not like the other. I think people want to compare in a vacuum because it's easy, but it's not easy, and that is why certain people always seem to make money on the stock market and others never seem to. The ability to see these complexities in a simplified way is tough. What happened is clear to me: Bills - Great team that dealt with all-time level adversity and just ran out of gas. Chiefs - Great team that dealt with some adversity and had many lucky breaks. Again, these things balance themselves out. Bills will be luckier next year and the Chiefs and Bengals will be unluckier. And when that happens, you bet on the team that has proven they can overcome adversity again and again. Defenses left Kelce wide open? 😅 Come on with this. The Bills were basically exposed against Cincy. Their defensive line without Miller was subpar….on top of Jones being hurt and the Bills offensive line has ALWAYS been bad….couple that with a much better game plan from Cincy and you have the Bills getting their ass kicked. Edited March 19 by ScottLaw Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 Just now, Success said: I don't disagree that the Bills struggles in the last month or so, but there were some extenuating circumstances. It wasn't the last month or so though. It was since October. The extenuating circumstance stuff is just excuses. The co-owner was ill when the Bills were smoking the Rams on national TV to open the season and embarrassing the Titans on MNF. The game being moved to Detroit due to snow had zero effect on how the season played out or the loss in the playoffs and that's a good thing, considering we play in Buffalo. The ONLY extenuating circumstance even remotely plausible is Damar. But even that's nonsense considering athletes often have their best performances after loved ones die. Remember Tiger Woods winning the major after his Dad's passing? Allen throwing for 3(?) TD's after his grandma passing? Brett Favre throwing for 4 TD's after his father passed? etc. The extenuating circumstance stuff is just excuses. The team hadn't looked like a top 5 team since October. The playoff loss really wasn't all that surprising considering their play the 2-3 months preceding it. 1 1 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToGoGo Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 6 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: Defenses left Kelce wide open? 😅 Come on with this. The Bills were basically exposed against Cincy. Their defensive line without Miller was subpar….on top of Jones being hurt and the Bills offensive line has ALWAYS been bad….couple that with a much better game plan from Cincy and you have the Bills getting their ass kicked. We'll have to agree to disagree Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Success Posted March 19 Author Share Posted March 19 10 minutes ago, Einstein said: It wasn't the last month or so though. It was since October. The extenuating circumstance stuff is just excuses. The co-owner was ill when the Bills were smoking the Rams on national TV to open the season and embarrassing the Titans on MNF. The game being moved to Detroit due to snow had zero effect on how the season played out or the loss in the playoffs and that's a good thing, considering we play in Buffalo. The ONLY extenuating circumstance even remotely plausible is Damar. But even that's nonsense considering athletes often have their best performances after loved ones die. Remember Tiger Woods winning the major after his Dad's passing? Allen throwing for 3(?) TD's after his grandma passing? Brett Favre throwing for 4 TD's after his father passed? etc. The extenuating circumstance stuff is just excuses. The team hadn't looked like a top 5 team since October. The playoff loss really wasn't all that surprising considering their play the 2-3 months preceding it. The Hamlin situation isn't comparable. Sorry. We all saw it on the field, and medical professionals have stated this as well: seeing someone in that situation is absolutely traumatizing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaos Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 21 hours ago, CoudyBills said: I wouldn't call any Bills turnover down the stretch flukes. They were routine. silly take 18 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: Coaching staff's job is to have their playoff team mentally and physically ready for a playoff game You left part out. The coaches also have to have themselves prepared. It seemed McDermott was just ready to be done for the season. He also seems to have occassionaly games where he makes decisions at the end of the game, that are more about "lets get this overwith one way or another, rather than the optimal plays for the situtation". The Tennessee game in 2021 sticks in my mind as one of these. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 5 minutes ago, Chaos said: silly take You left part out. The coaches also have to have themselves prepared. It seemed McDermott was just ready to be done for the season. He also seems to have occassionaly games where he makes decisions at the end of the game, that are more about "lets get this overwith one way or another, rather than the optimal plays for the situtation". The Tennessee game in 2021 sticks in my mind as one of these. Filed under "game plan" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaos Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 1 minute ago, Mr. WEO said: Filed under "game plan" Even then, they need to be ready to coach. McDermotts decision to punt near the end of the first quarter will stick with me as long as "wide right". He wasn't up to the task of properly coaching the team that day. Even if somehow the game plan made sense. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToGoGo Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 15 minutes ago, Success said: The Hamlin situation isn't comparable. Sorry. We all saw it on the field, and medical professionals have stated this as well: seeing someone in that situation is absolutely traumatizing. I think what's going on is that the "Bills suck and aren't good enough to win the SB" narrative requires fans to dismiss all adversity faced by the team this year. As if both teams came into the game in a vacuum in relatively equal circumstances. Adversity becomes "excuses" when you want to pretend it doesn't exist. Just shocking response by that poster. Shocking. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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