Jerome007 Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 2 hours ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said: If you lose but still have hope for the future, it's easier to move on. But, this morning, my hope for the future is gone. I genuinely believe we won't sniff a Super Bowl with McD. When it gets to this point, ownership needs to start thinking about changes that will restore hope. Spot on. My worry with Josh was that he would be a good/very good QB but not elite. Teams are kind of stuck with them. Whatever his faults and the haters, he is a Top 5 QB, I'd argue top 3. But McD is the very definition of a very good HC overall, but that lacks a few elements to reach elite status, and year after year those faults remain. I wasn't on board the "fire OC/DC" crowd till yesterday. Now I want them out. Usually, my take is don't get rid of anyone until you find replacements (or enough are available). But this was awful. Losing trust in the coaches is a big no no. McD deserves another year but be on the hot seat. The same for Beane for that awful DLine that got destroyed by backups of an already below average Bengals OLine, If Josh or DIggs have a bad game, or Milano and Miller, hey, they've proven their worth time and time again. When did Dorsey mesmerize with his schemes besides the first few early games? It's almost frustrating seeing the 4-5 easy plays scheming gets the Bengals, Chiefs, 49ers, Rams, etc. while it's seemingly a vanilla offense for the Bills that Josh makes work somehow. The defense has had some games where the scheming won the game or certainly was a amjor factor, but how can they never seem to adjust? We all expected the Bills DLine to take advantage of a banged up, already farirly weak Bengals OLine. So no one can fault the initial gameplan. But since the DLine were pushed around like juniors, change it! Yep, lack of trust in the coaches is a killer. Some changes have to happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBeaneBandit Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 15 minutes ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said: Yeah, that wasn't the intent of this thread. I'm not about to give up on the team, not after 40 years of following it. But I AM given up on this regime. They had a lot of promise 2017-2019, and since have been...underwhelming. The wife and I have already stated if Frazier remains (although I'm open to MULTIPLE coaching changes), that the Bills will not have our support until he is gone. Paper tiger defence for how many years running?....when the tough gets going they get trucked. Every. Single. Time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
97bills Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 1 hour ago, TonyBeets said: After watching the 49ers and Cowboys play shortly after our game, I quickly realized how undermanned we are on defense. Those guys fly around and make plays. There were times yesterday that Joe Burrow looked like he was in training camp, playing against guys that won't make the team. It was really bad. I agree… and if it had to happen glad it did yesterday, because if we did sneak in the Super Bowl the 49ers would have murdered us. There DLINE and OLINE is way better then CIN. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Repulsif Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 2 hours ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said: I can think of four, maybe five guy on this team who have the "want it." The rest could all go for all I care Tasker had it Allen has it, Diggs has it, Poyer has it (gone), Beasley has it (gone again) Did I miss someone ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted January 23, 2023 Author Share Posted January 23, 2023 4 minutes ago, Repulsif said: Tasker had it Allen has it, Diggs has it, Poyer has it (gone), Beasley has it (gone again) Did I miss someone ? Hyde, Milano 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YodaMan79 Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 A year after .13 and I'm still in that state of mind. My worst fears are being realized. I think last year was their time to seal the deal, and they are now chasing it on the decline. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Low Positive Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 23 minutes ago, gobills404 said: Or in Mixons case, guys who will punch you in the face for rejecting their advances. Sure you don’t have to like every player, but can we at least draw the line at dudes who assault random women in public? I was speaking from emotion when I posted that. Of course I don't want Joe Mixon on the Bills, just like I didn't want Incognito. I just have to live here and see how the entire Bengals fan base just excuses what Mixon did. They twist themselves into knots with the whole "he was never charged," "he deserves a second chance," and "she had it coming." It really does show how tribal sports fandom is. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillyBilliams Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 2 hours ago, Mark Vader said: You mean the game where the back-up officials inserted themselves into a game, which they had no business of doing, and taking a special teams touchdown from us? Blaming a 16-0 lead blown on officials is crybaby *****. 1 hour ago, clayboy54 said: Elam is a man CB. corrext, he’s the only man CB. White is a zone DB. Dane Jackson is a Zone DB. Tarim Johnson, Zone. Benford can play man. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 2 minutes ago, BillyBilliams said: Blaming a 16-0 lead blown on officials is crybaby *****. I blame in on the offense puking all over itself second half. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillyBilliams Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 Just now, GunnerBill said: I blame in on the offense puking all over itself second half. And the coaching staff for not trying to slow the game down, as well as the defense not being able to stop anything. Frazier and McD are defensive coaches. Why are we failing defensively in playoff games? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArdmoreRyno Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 Can we trade Detroit for Dan Campbell? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffeesforclosers Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 2 minutes ago, ArdmoreRyno said: Can we trade Detroit for Dan Campbell? Can we trade Pittsburgh for Mike Tomlin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew21PA Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 “Oh but we made the divisional round and afc championship in the last 3 years” is what they will say why they can’t move on sorry doesn’t matter - we choked again coach - it’s on McDermott and Beane these guys are not tough enough in the trenches - no killer instinct except for Matt Milano and Josh Allen and Diggs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 5 minutes ago, BillyBilliams said: And the coaching staff for not trying to slow the game down, as well as the defense not being able to stop anything. Frazier and McD are defensive coaches. Why are we failing defensively in playoff games? It's a fair question. I don't think it is what happened in Houston. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddaryl Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 we need new coordinators.... I just don't see us purging McDermott or Beane but their leashes are much much shorter we are going to have a mini rebuild this offseason when we let a few players go and sign some cheaper alternatives... Now is the time to bring in some new Coordinators to work with a new players/core Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 Never thought I’d say it about this regime, but as of today, it’s obvious the Bills are f****d. I can only hope they do the right things, but in the aftermath of this debacle, I’m not really sure what that is. Though I wouldn’t mind seeing: 1. Like everyone else, invest day 1 & 2 picks on WR and OL. 2. Free up as much cap space as possible & don’t spend anything crazy on players already here (sorry TE, sorry PO). 3. Sign PHYSICAL players, street FA’s and what you can afford from other teams. Have to get tough quick. 4. Coaching - don’t know what’s going to happen here after a 14-win season. Maybe we do add Greg Roman as running game coordinator, not to put in the Ravens offense but to become competent in running the ball. This sucks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Vader Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 46 minutes ago, BillyBilliams said: Blaming a 16-0 lead blown on officials is crybaby *****. corrext, he’s the only man CB. White is a zone DB. Dane Jackson is a Zone DB. Tarim Johnson, Zone. Benford can play man. It's the truth. We still don't know why those officials intervened. The Bills lost crucial points because of it. You cannot deny that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nosejob Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 1 hour ago, Jerome007 said: Yep, lack of trust in the coaches is a killer. Some changes have to happen. Nothing more can be said until this happens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Applicable Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 They are a soft, finesse team that routinely gets pushed around by more physical squads. Allen is enough to still get them on the right side of the scoreboard during the regular season, but in the playoffs, it's only a matter of time before a tougher team with better coaching dispatches them. I'm of the opinion that they're mentally weak as well much of the time. Always look frantic and out-of-sorts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billl Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 47 minutes ago, ddaryl said: we need new coordinators.... I just don't see us purging McDermott or Beane but their leashes are much much shorter we are going to have a mini rebuild this offseason when we let a few players go and sign some cheaper alternatives... Now is the time to bring in some new Coordinators to work with a new players/core Who in the world do you think would take the jobs? The Bills had one of the best offenses and defenses in the league but fire both coordinators? I'm sure coaches will be tripping over each other racing to upstate NY and be the next coordinator to be fired after a single season. This place was calling for Daboll's head for years. If he wasn't good enough, who is? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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