Josh Allen Bashers, what's your solution?

[WideNine]

44 minutes ago, SageAgainstTheMachine said:

 

I don't agree with Nick Wright very often but his analysis of Josh here is pretty spot on and enough to have me worried that our window isn't as wide open as we thought.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ

 

 

Now that guy is always going to be sharpening his knives for Allen.

 

Even when Allen was playing lights out last season he was the last to acknowledge it.

 

Too biased for my taste.

 

As much as there are folks that cherry-pick the plays they like from Allen to gloss over the things he could improve, there are those that cherry-pick just the negatives to justify their overall poor assessment of Allen as a QB.

 

The truth is usually found somewhere closer to the middle than where these talking heads land.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited January 16, 2023 by WideNine

[CincyBillsFan]

1 hour ago, NUT said:

Josh Allen regression is all over YouTube today. Nick Wright lovin it.

What regression?  Seriously how could anyone watch that game and declare Allen has regressed?  I actually like Nick Wright's Sirius radio show.  He's funny on it.  But the guy is clearly pushing buttons in an effort to stoke controversy and generate clicks. 

 

Some times Wright will admit to what he's doing like he did a couple of months ago when he said how he is against anyone and any team that threatens the Chiefs and Mahomes position as best in the NFL.  His constant attacks on Allen are a sign of respect because he knows the Bills & Allen are a major threat to the Chiefs/Mahommes reign.  He can't abide any other team or player getting accolades over his beloved Mahomes & Chiefs.

 

If you pay attention you will notice that he's pretty snarky about Joe Burrow and the Bengals.  Gee I wonder why? And don't look now but he's starting to crap all over Trevor Lawrence.  He calls him the "the prince that was promised".  Oh and he takes shots at Herbert all the time to.

 

 

 

 

[Lieutenant Aldo Raine]

17 minutes ago, SageAgainstTheMachine said:

 

I don't agree with Nick Wright very often but his analysis of Josh here is pretty spot on and enough to have me worried that our window isn't as wide open as we thought.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ

 

 

**** it!  Trade him while the value is high.  Starting to think this fan base doesn't deserve a QB like him.

[CincyBillsFan]

3 minutes ago, WideNine said:

 

Now that guy is always going to be sharpening his knives for Allen.

 

Even when Allen was playing lights out last season he was the last to acknowledge it.

 

To biased for my taste.

 

As much as there are folks that cherry-pick the plays they like from Allen to gloss over the things he could improve, there are those that cherry-pick just the negatives to justify their overall poor assessment of Allen as a QB.

 

The truth is usually found somewhere closer to the middle than where these talking heads land.

 

 

 

 

 

 

If you are a fan of a QB and team that threatens the supremacy of KC & Mahomes you can not take ANYTHING that Wright says about your team & QB seriously.  Wright will lie by omission, exaggerate and misrepresent the stats to try to destroy your team and character assassinate your QB.  He has admitted this on a number of occasions.

 

As a football fan Wright's ONLY value is as an entertainer.  He's funny as hell. But to take anything he throws out as a serious analysis of the NFL is foolish.  Don't get mad at the clown enjoy his comedy show.  And remember as long as Allen and the Bills are Wright's number one targets know that he considers them the biggest threats to his beloved Chiefs & Mahomes.

 

 

[SageAgainstTheMachine]

11 minutes ago, WideNine said:

 

Now that guy is always going to be sharpening his knives for Allen.

 

Even when Allen was playing lights out last season he was the last to acknowledge it.

 

To biased for my taste.

 

As much as there are folks that cherry-pick the plays they like from Allen to gloss over the things he could improve, there are those that cherry-pick just the negatives to justify their overall poor assessment of Allen as a QB.

 

The truth is usually found somewhere closer to the middle than where these talking heads land.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

8 minutes ago, Lieutenant Aldo Raine said:

 

**** it!  Trade him while the value is high.  Starting to think this fan base doesn't deserve a QB like him.

 

I encourage you to actually watch the video I posted before criticizing.

[Straight Hucklebuck]

30 minutes ago, SageAgainstTheMachine said:

 

I don't agree with Nick Wright very often but his analysis of Josh here is pretty spot on and enough to have me worried that our window isn't as wide open as we thought.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ

 

Guys, I used to love Fox Sports.

 

Listened to Colin Cowherd for years.

 

Do yourselves a favor, and stop listening to all of them - Dan Patrick, Colin Cowherd, Nick Wright.

 

They are common fans with a microphone.

They don’t really “know” football. Nick Wright is a Chiefs fan who never played the game, doesn’t watch film. Same with Cowherd.

 

I ditched them before the Vikings game and have never looked back.

 

They’re useless, so them telling you how to feel about your team is only going to result in you being frustrated.

 

Youtube has a wealth of All-22 breakdowns with smarter people about the game then the Fox or ESPN dopes.

 

Edited January 16, 2023 by Straight Hucklebuck

[CincyBillsFan]

33 minutes ago, SageAgainstTheMachine said:

 

I don't agree with Nick Wright very often but his analysis of Josh here is pretty spot on and enough to have me worried that our window isn't as wide open as we thought.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ

 

There is nothing Nick Wright can say about Allen and the Bills that is "spot on".  The man uses character assassination as a comedy gimmick.  His bias against ANYONE that threatens the Chiefs & Mahomes reign as "kings of the NFL" will become a target for this guys vitriol.  For Bills fans, Wright is like the serpent who whispered to Eve to eat that apple.  Wright packages lies and half truths to paint the picture he wants you to see.

 

 

Edited January 16, 2023 by CincyBillsFan

[SageAgainstTheMachine]

Just now, CincyBillsFan said:

There is nothing Nick Wright can say about Allen and the Bills this is "spot on".  The man uses character assassination as a comedy gimmick.  His bias against ANYONE that threatens the Chiefs & Mahomes reign as "kings of the NFL" will become a target for this guys vitriol.  For Bills fans, Wright is like the serpent who whispered to Eve to eat that apple.  Wright packages lies and half truths to paint the picture he wants you to see.

 

 

 

If you say so.  I challenge you to watch the video I posted and counter a single argument.

[Seventeen]

3 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

Guys, I used to love Fox Sports.

 

Listened to Colin Cowherd for years.

 

Do yourselves a favor, and stop listening to all of them - Dan Patrick, Colin Cowherd, Nick Wright.

 

They are common fans with a microphone.

They don’t really “know” football. Nick Wright is a Chiefs fan who never played the game, doesn’t watch film. Same with Cowherd.

 

I ditched them before the Vikings game and have never looked back.

 

They’re useless, so them telling you how to feel about your team is only going to result in you being frustrated.

 

Youtube has a wealth of All-22 breakdowns with smarter people

about the game then the Fox or ESPN dopes.

 

 

Wright is a homer born and raised in Kansas City. Pay no attention. 

[Lieutenant Aldo Raine]

1 minute ago, SageAgainstTheMachine said:

 

 

I encourage you to actually watch the video I posted before criticizing.

 

If the window is closing as you are alluding to, and Allen's so-called regression is the reason; then why keep him?  

 

[SageAgainstTheMachine]

Just now, Lieutenant Aldo Raine said:

 

If the window is closing as you are alluding to, and Allen's so-called regression is the reason; then why keep him?  

 

 

I can't put it as well as he does in the video.

[CincyBillsFan]

1 minute ago, SageAgainstTheMachine said:

 

If you say so.  I challenge you to watch the video I posted and counter a single argument.

I heard what Wright has to say.  I watch and listen to the guy all the time.  He's entertaining but his football knowledge is that of a rabid fan.  Anything Wright says about Allen and the Bills is filtered through his hatred of all things that threaten the Chiefs & Mahomes.  It would be like a New England fan telling other Patriot fans to watch a video about Tom Brady or Bill Belichick put out by a knowledgeable Bills fan.

 

 

[78thealltimegreat]

36 minutes ago, SageAgainstTheMachine said:

 

I don't agree with Nick Wright very often but his analysis of Josh here is pretty spot on and enough to have me worried that our window isn't as wide open as we thought.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ

 

Wait Josh was two drops one from Knox one from Shakur from 5 touchdown passes and that’s a bad game. Maybe you should stick for another team or call Brandon Beane to trade him cause I don’t know if you take this guy who actually said on his Sirius radio show on maddog radio that Josh Allen will be the biggest bust since Jamarcus Russell seriously or are you just trolling

[Lieutenant Aldo Raine]

1 minute ago, SageAgainstTheMachine said:

 

I can't put it as well as he does in the video.

 

Answer the question; If the window is closing as you are alluding to, and Allen's so-called regression is the reason; then why keep him?

 

 

[Straight Hucklebuck]

4 minutes ago, Seventeen said:

 

Wright is a homer born and raised in Kansas City. Pay no attention. 

100% agree.

 

He’s a Chiefs fan who is there to gloat.

 

What I can’t stand about the Nick Wrights of the world is they act like they hand scouted Patrick Mahomes and convinced the Kansas City FO to take him over another guy they were going to take.

 

They act like they had a hand in building the team. 
 

 

[SageAgainstTheMachine]

Just now, Lieutenant Aldo Raine said:

 

Answer the question; If the window is closing as you are alluding to, and Allen's so-called regression is the reason; then why keep him?

 

 

 

Dammit, I want you to watch the video because it's the Rick Astley video   Guess I'll never make it as an interent troll.  Of course our window is wide open.

[CincyBillsFan]

2 minutes ago, Lieutenant Aldo Raine said:

 

If the window is closing as you are alluding to, and Allen's so-called regression is the reason; then why keep him?  

 

Bingo. Why don't these people just come out and say that we need to unload Allen while his value is high as his "regression" is becoming a problem.  And incredibly they're pointing us to Nick Wright's comments in support of this insane position. I wish they could ask famous NFL analyst Nick Wright where the Bills should send Allen. My guess is Wright would be all for shipping Allen off to the NFC.

 

Down here in Cincinnati Joe Burrow had a great response to the nonsense of "Super Bowl windows".  It was along the lines that as long as he's the QB the Bengals are in their SB window.  Well the exact same thing applies to Josh Allen in Buffalo.  I have no patience for those Bills fans that argue otherwise.

 

 

 

 

[Seventeen]

5 minutes ago, 78thealltimegreat said:

Wait Josh was two drops one from Knox one from Shakur from 5 touchdown passes and that’s a bad game. Maybe you should stick for another team or call Brandon Beane to trade him cause I don’t know if you take this guy who actually said on his Sirius radio show on maddog radio that Josh Allen will be the biggest bust since Jamarcus Russell seriously or are you just trolling

 

And Diggs was very close to what could've been the 6th

[Lieutenant Aldo Raine]

Just now, CincyBillsFan said:

Bingo. Why don't these people just come out and say that we need to unload Allen while his value is high as his "regression" is becoming a problem.  And incredibly they're pointing us to Nick Wright's comments in support of this insane position. I wish they could ask famous NFL analyst Nick Wright where the Bills should send Allen. My guess is Wright would be all for shipping Allen off to the NFC.

 

Down here in Cincinnati Joe Burrow had a great response to the nonsense of "Super Bowl windows".  It was along the lines that as long as he's the QB the Bengals are in their SB window.  Well the exact same thing applies to Josh Allen in Buffalo.  I have no patience for those Bills fans that argue otherwise.

 

 

 

 

 

Thank you! 

 

[bigduke6]

2 hours ago, HappyDays said:

 

Yeah here's a great example of the kind of play you're referring to:

 

 

It's 3rd and long. Davis is WIDE open in the flat and could probably make it to the 1st down marker. Instead Allen throws a low percentage deep pass to another WR in single coverage.

 

I assume you think he made the incorrect throw here?

of course not,   gj picking the one time it worked to try and make your point though.   go find the other 6 that killed drives.

[CincyBillsFan]

3 minutes ago, SageAgainstTheMachine said:

 

Dammit, I want you to watch the video because it's the Rick Astley video   Guess I'll never make it as an interent troll.  Of course our window is wide open.

Damn I just thought you messed up the link. Your trolling is actually first rate my comprehension and recognition needs a little work.

 

 

 

 

1 minute ago, bigduke6 said:

of course not,   gj picking the one time it worked to try and make your point though.   go find the other 6 that killed drives.

Do you mean the 50+ yard pass that Shakir dropped?  Or the shot to Diggs in the end zone that missed by a couple of inches?

[SageAgainstTheMachine]

Just now, CincyBillsFan said:

Damn I just thought you messed up the link. Your trolling is actually first rate my comprehension and recognition needs a little work.

 

 

 

 

 

Heh.  I guess the depressing thing is that my post was easy to take seriously because so many Bills fans are earnestly turning on Josh right now.

[Lieutenant Aldo Raine]

6 minutes ago, SageAgainstTheMachine said:

 

Dammit, I want you to watch the video because it's the Rick Astley video   Guess I'll never make it as an interent troll.  Of course our window is wide open.

 

Ha Ha, you got me!  My bust!  Your video is very fitting!

[bigduke6]

2 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:

Damn I just thought you messed up the link. Your trolling is actually first rate my comprehension and recognition needs a little work.

 

 

 

 

Do you mean the 50+ yard pass that Shakir dropped?  Or the shot to Diggs in the end zone that missed by a couple of inches?

only works,  if it actually works.    there was a reason why Miami was gifting those 1 on 1s.   daring our QB to make low percentage throws.   you guys all remember Tyrod right?   same crap teams dared him to do.    yes Josh is miles better than Tyrod,  and yes he can hit those occasionally.   if youre gonna live and die by those throws,  youre going to end up really disappointed.   defenses bait those throws.....to kill drives.  end of story.

[jethro_tull]

5 hours ago, CincyBillsFan said:

Is it the play calling? A lot of times they run the ball on 1st down and loose yardage.

 

 

I would say we already know the answer and that at a minimum it's worked out just as well and probably better.  Even if we lose on Sunday the Bills will have gone 14 - 4 and losing in the divisional round.  Last year they went 13 - 7 losing in the divisional round.  And all the offensive metrics are pretty much the same between the two seasons.

 

 

too many low percentage pass plays.  this team can dink and dunk all day long and they should do more of it.  

[CincyBillsFan]

2 minutes ago, bigduke6 said:

only works,  if it actually works.    there was a reason why Miami was gifting those 1 on 1s.   daring our QB to make low percentage throws.   you guys all remember Tyrod right?   same crap teams dared him to do.    yes Josh is miles better than Tyrod,  and yes he can hit those occasionally.   if youre gonna live and die by those throws,  youre going to end up really disappointed.   defenses bait those throws.....to kill drives.  end of story.

Miami was very lucky to have the game be as close as it was.  If they played 5 times and Miami ran the exact same defense and the Bills attacked it in the exact same way yesterday's game would be the closest with the Bills beating Miami by much greater margins in the other 4 games.

 

 

1 minute ago, jethro_tull said:

too many low percentage pass plays.  this team can dink and dunk all day long and they should do more of it.  

Dinking & dunking doesn't seem to be all that effective unless you have a Kelsy or McCaffrey that can generate serious YAC.

 

 

[HappyDays]

13 minutes ago, bigduke6 said:

of course not,   gj picking the one time it worked to try and make your point though.   go find the other 6 that killed drives.

 

Allen completed 4 of 11 deep shots against the blitz yesterday. 3 of the incompletions hit the intended receiver in the hands. So when do you want Allen taking those shots in single coverage when his WR has leverage? Never?

 

8 minutes ago, bigduke6 said:

daring our QB to make low percentage throws.   you guys all remember Tyrod right?   same crap teams dared him to do.

 

Oh so you just don't know what you're watching? Alright. My bad.

Edited January 16, 2023 by HappyDays

[jethro_tull]

2 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:

Miami was very lucky to have the game be as close as it was.  If they played 5 times and Miami ran the exact same defense and the Bills attacked it in the exact same way yesterday's game would be the closest with the Bills beating Miami by much greater margins in the other 4 games.

 

 

Dinking & dunking doesn't seem to be all that effective unless you have a Kelsy or McCaffrey that can generate serious YAC.

 

 

I hear you but the Bills could do it well- play possession ball- move the chains and rack up some long time consuming drives. No need for killer YAC if they are just trying to move the chains.  They could shred teams with the right plays.  

[mjd1001]

18 hours ago, ChicagoRic said:

Welp, I've been reading up on the board, and it looks like Allen had another TERRIBLE GAME, with the Bills winning DESPITE HIM for the 8th game in a row. 

 

3 Fumbles!  2 INTS!  Completions under 60%!  This guy is a liability. 

 

BAD JOSH!  I'm tired of HERO BALL.  The ARM ARROGANCE.  352 Yards with long shots to Diggs, Davis and Shakir just don't make up for it. Neither does the perfectly placed TD pass to Knox.  Or the timely run to pick up a key 1st down.  This guy does not deserve a roster spot, let alone a game ball. 

 

It's time to get Keenum and Barkley ready to go for next week, because they RESPECT BALL SECURITY.

 

Go Bills!

 

 

Nothing like having an opinion, and feeling the need to make your point by writing a whole lot of fiction stating how so many people are against you and what you think.

[Jerome007]

11 hours ago, ChasBB said:

I would give it about one half of football with Josh throwing checkdowns for this fan base to give Allen the moniker of "Captain Checkdown".  Can't win.

I heard moaning for weeks that the Bills had dropped the long pass game. To this week complaining they did it too much ha ha. To be fair, it IS true, just not to the overboard extent some go to.

[Seventeen]

3 minutes ago, jethro_tull said:

too many low percentage pass plays.  this team can dink and dunk all day long and they should do more of it.  

 

If we dinked and dunked all day long, the fan base would be complaining about why the Bills aren't talking advantage of Josh's bazooka. 

 

Miami was giving up the long ball yesterday ( not b/c they were baiting us, but b/c they couldn't cover us ). Josh threw for 352 and it could've easily been over 400 

with a couple more catches by the wideouts.

[bigduke6]

6 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

Allen completed 4 of 11 deep shots against the blitz yesterday. 3 of the incompletions hit the intended receiver in the hands. So when do you want Allen taking those shots in single coverage when his WR has leverage? Never?

 

 

Oh so you just don't know what you're watching? Alright. My bad.

lol ok....  

 

imma make sure i bookmark this thread and revisit it later.  i sure hope im wrong and the Bengals and god willing the Chefs dont play this D against us.   

 

you do realize those 1 on 1 long bombs ask alot in pass pro right?  like for instance,  the play where Josh fumbles and they scored a TD right?

i never said you dont take shots.   you dont do it 70% of the time though.   

 

 

Edited January 17, 2023 by bigduke6

[HappyDays]

3 minutes ago, bigduke6 said:

lol ok....  

 

 

You compared Josh Allen to Tyrod Tayor... lol is right

[bigduke6]

3 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

You compared Josh Allen to Tyrod Tayor... lol is right

oh ffs.....you cant even read.

 

good enough reason right there to end this back and forth.

 

its too bad,  i usually find you to be one of the regular posters on here that actually has some common sense.    

Edited January 17, 2023 by bigduke6

[716to540]

Well ... I'm not a "Josh Allen Basher" so, imo anyway, there isn't a solution to be had. Go #17! Go Bills!

[HappyDays]

7 minutes ago, bigduke6 said:

i sure hope im wrong and the Bengals and god willing the Chefs dont play this D against us.   

 

Oh god I hope the Bengals and Chiefs leave Diggs and Davis in single coverage on deep shots all day. With those CBs? Fingers crossed our WRs don't drop 27% of those targets, we win those games going away. The Dolphins defensive gameplan was a result of desperation. They didn't really stop us or slow us down, we just had too many mistakes in critical moments. No chance we will see that defense again until we play Miami next year and that's only if Josh Boyer is retained.

[DuckyBoys]

just need bit better luck and for the receivers to maybe make a extra play or two  Lot was left on the field again 

[Billz4ever]

19 hours ago, ChicagoRic said:

Welp, I've been reading up on the board, and it looks like Allen had another TERRIBLE GAME, with the Bills winning DESPITE HIM for the 8th game in a row. 

 

3 Fumbles!  2 INTS!  Completions under 60%!  This guy is a liability. 

 

BAD JOSH!  I'm tired of HERO BALL.  The ARM ARROGANCE.  352 Yards with long shots to Diggs, Davis and Shakir just don't make up for it. Neither does the perfectly placed TD pass to Knox.  Or the timely run to pick up a key 1st down.  This guy does not deserve a roster spot, let alone a game ball. 

 

It's time to get Keenum and Barkley ready to go for next week, because they RESPECT BALL SECURITY.

 

Go Bills!

 

 

Allen will be fine.  He knows what went well and what can be improved on.  He makes some mistakes, but show me the QB who has ever had a perfect QBR for the season.  My gripe is normally with the playcalling rather than anything Josh is doing.

 

This is Josh's 4th full season at the helm of this offense.  Maybe it's even time to start letting him call some of his own plays. He understands coverages and what teams are trying to do to stop them.  I have that kind of faith in him.

Edited January 17, 2023 by Billz4ever

[78thealltimegreat]

1 hour ago, Seventeen said:

 

And Diggs was very close to what could've been the 6th

You are correct it was so close that McDermott wondered why the ref didn’t review it 

[ganesh]

20 minutes ago, NUT said:

Allen is likely highly influencing the playcalling. And it seems so many of the concepts with Dorsey have a deep option.

There is no proof for such speculation.  Allen's capabilities may be influencing! Go Bills !

Edited January 17, 2023 by ganesh