Chicken Boo Posted January 15, 2023 Share Posted January 15, 2023 Expecting Lamar to play with a bum knee is exactly how you cut a players career short. He says there's still inflammation and I'm sure team doctors are evaluating him. Why would anyone doubt that he's truly injured? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papazoid Posted January 15, 2023 Share Posted January 15, 2023 10 hours ago, Mr. WEO said: why is Watkins right? if the guy can't be cleared to play, what's he supposed to do? i'm not say he "is" right....i'm saying watkins "has a right" to wonder imo..."IF" lamar had worked out and signed a long term deal.....he likely would be playing in this game injured. it's my understanding that lamar has ruled himself out. that the head coach was unaware When asked if Jackson could be available for a potential divisional playoff game next week, Harbaugh stayed on message. "I can't know," he said......(that is a very unusual reply) unlike watkins, it looks like harbaugh will not throw lamar under the bus, although he appears irked that he's not on the same page with lamar. is jackson injured ? ... absolutely yes.....but i'm also clearly saying that it is likely he would "try" to play if his future was already financially protected from injuring himself further. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PBF81 Posted January 15, 2023 Share Posted January 15, 2023 On 1/14/2023 at 6:28 AM, eball said: Sammy’s an enigma, but there is no question the fact that Lamar doesn’t have a contract past this season is a HUGE issue right now. If Lamar goes out there in a compromised condition and hurts himself worse, he is screwed. Both Lamar and the Ravens have f***ked themselves by not getting a deal done. (and I really want them to beat the Bengals, too…) RGIII came to mind. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PetermansRedemption Posted January 15, 2023 Share Posted January 15, 2023 Because Sammy Watkins is known as “Mr Available” due to his iron man streak 🙄 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted January 15, 2023 Share Posted January 15, 2023 2 hours ago, papazoid said: i'm not say he "is" right....i'm saying watkins "has a right" to wonder imo..."IF" lamar had worked out and signed a long term deal.....he likely would be playing in this game injured. it's my understanding that lamar has ruled himself out. that the head coach was unaware When asked if Jackson could be available for a potential divisional playoff game next week, Harbaugh stayed on message. "I can't know," he said......(that is a very unusual reply) unlike watkins, it looks like harbaugh will not throw lamar under the bus, although he appears irked that he's not on the same page with lamar. is jackson injured ? ... absolutely yes.....but i'm also clearly saying that it is likely he would "try" to play if his future was already financially protected from injuring himself further. i wasn't aware that players could rule themselves out with a specific injury that he is describing. if he already had the money in the bank why would he be more likely to play injured? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanSD Posted January 15, 2023 Share Posted January 15, 2023 22 hours ago, Beck Water said: Again - Von Miller initially expected to be out like 1-2 weeks. The initial MRI missed his partially torn ACL. Medicine is an art. It's entirely possible that Jackson's injury was initially forecast to be 1-2 weeks, then 2 weeks went by and it's still swollen and there's still laxity in there. One doctor says "we can tape you and put on a brace and give you a shot and get you back out there, there's a risk but there's always a risk". Another doctor says "while there's this much laxity in your knee and this much swelling, you're at significantly higher risk for blowing out your whole knee, even with a brace" Lamar goes with the 2nd doctor, and the Ravens go with the first. It's Lamar's right under the CBA to have an independent medical opinion on an injury, and follow that medical advice. Sure, that's possible. That certainly isn't the vibe that we're getting from Ravens-land though. I don't recall any Bills players calling out Von Miller for dogging it, after all. That should tell you something. 34 minutes ago, PetermansRedemption said: Because Sammy Watkins is known as “Mr Available” due to his iron man streak 🙄 Another way to frame this is "Even Sammy Watkins questions Lamar's toughness." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted January 15, 2023 Share Posted January 15, 2023 3 hours ago, papazoid said: i'm not say he "is" right....i'm saying watkins "has a right" to wonder imo..."IF" lamar had worked out and signed a long term deal.....he likely would be playing in this game injured. it's my understanding that lamar has ruled himself out. that the head coach was unaware When asked if Jackson could be available for a potential divisional playoff game next week, Harbaugh stayed on message. "I can't know," he said......(that is a very unusual reply) unlike watkins, it looks like harbaugh will not throw lamar under the bus, although he appears irked that he's not on the same page with lamar. is jackson injured ? ... absolutely yes.....but i'm also clearly saying that it is likely he would "try" to play if his future was already financially protected from injuring himself further. Sammy is the last person to be talking given his history and the fact that he joined the team in December. But he's echoing the sentiments of others who believe Lamar could and should be playing. 32 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: if he already had the money in the bank why would he be more likely to play injured? Because that's the expectation. "We paid you what you wanted, now get out there and play." He's an UFA after the season and going out there and playing injured and getting hurt/worse kill his market value. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted January 15, 2023 Share Posted January 15, 2023 22 hours ago, Inigo Montoya said: https://www.nbcsportsedge.com/football/nfl/player/710/lamar-jackson NFL Network's Ian Rapoport reports the Ravens "haven't changed their stance" on QB Lamar Jackson and plan to begin negotiating a long-term deal in the offseason. The Ravens were never close to extending Jackson last offseason, leading to Jackson playing out his $23 million fifth-year option. That backfired for Jackson, who finished the year injured for the second straight season. Jackson is asking for Deshaun Watson money, a fully guaranteed deal that would make him one of the league's highest paid quarterbacks. The Ravens are "still all-in" on Jackson and plan to franchise him for 2023 if they can't work out a long-term extension. Very intelligent response by the Ravens. #8 becomes the next Kirk Cousins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted January 15, 2023 Share Posted January 15, 2023 1 minute ago, Doc said: Sammy is the last person to be talking given his history and the fact that he joined the team in December. But he's echoing the sentiments of others who believe Lamar could and should be playing. Because that's the expectation. "We paid you what you wanted, now get out there and play." He's an UFA after the season and going out there and playing injured and getting hurt/worse kill his market value. The history of the NFL is littered with guys who put their feet up a bit after cashing in. You know this. But I agree, not playing while injured now makes complete sense. Watkins is a well known dope. He is a journeyman, a visitor, a renter, a guy who is passed around the league like soft cheese platter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted January 15, 2023 Share Posted January 15, 2023 4 minutes ago, Doc said: Sammy is the last person to be talking given his history and the fact that he joined the team in December. But he's echoing the sentiments of others who believe Lamar could and should be playing. Maybe Sammy is being smart and talking company line might get him a contract next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted January 15, 2023 Share Posted January 15, 2023 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: The history of the NFL is littered with guys who put their feet up a bit after cashing in. You know this. But I agree, not playing while injured now makes complete sense. Watkins is a well known dope. He is a journeyman, a visitor, a renter, a guy who is passed around the league like soft cheese platter. Some do, some don't. Even though I'm not a fan of Lamar, I believe he'd want to be out there if his money situation were settled. Edited January 15, 2023 by Doc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted January 15, 2023 Share Posted January 15, 2023 1 hour ago, PBF81 said: RGIII came to mind. Very good analogy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted January 15, 2023 Share Posted January 15, 2023 (edited) https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2023/01/15/mike-vick-to-lamar-jackson-put-a-brace-on-it-lets-go/ Mike Vick weighs in. Paraphrased: Put a brace on and play. I played a whole season with a torn MCL. Edited January 15, 2023 by dave mcbride Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted January 15, 2023 Share Posted January 15, 2023 29 minutes ago, Doc said: Some do, some don't. Even though I'm not a fan of Lamar, I believe he'd want to be out there if his money situation were settled. So you are assuming he's fit to play today? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted January 15, 2023 Share Posted January 15, 2023 4 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: So you are assuming he's fit to play today? Going by what I've been hearing, yes. Do I know for sure? No. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted January 15, 2023 Share Posted January 15, 2023 1 minute ago, Doc said: Going by what I've been hearing, yes. Do I know for sure? No. what's your source? (other than Sammy) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted January 15, 2023 Share Posted January 15, 2023 49 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: a guy who is passed around the league like soft cheese platter. LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted January 15, 2023 Share Posted January 15, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, BillsFanSD said: Sure, that's possible. That certainly isn't the vibe that we're getting from Ravens-land though. I don't recall any Bills players calling out Von Miller for dogging it, after all. That should tell you something. It tells me that Von Miller actually had ACL surgery known to put a player on the shelf for 8-14 months, after which no one expected him to play. So not really a good comparator. What does it tell you? The only one I've heard mouthing off is Sammy Watkins, is there anyone else? 18 minutes ago, dave mcbride said: https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2023/01/15/mike-vick-to-lamar-jackson-put-a-brace-on-it-lets-go/ Mike Vick weighs in. Paraphrased: Put a brace on and play. I played a whole season with a torn MCL. You may know this, but Lamar's injury is a torn PCL. That's a different situation than Mike Vick's torn MCL. For anyone who doesn't know, PCL stands for posterior cruciate ligament which, like ACL or anterior cruciate ligament, are two ligaments that criss-cross in the interior of the knee and stabilize it. The posterior collateral ligament and lateral collateral ligament are important, but because they go down the inside and outside of the knee, their function is easier to replace with a brace. It's confusing because they all have "C" in there but the "C" stands for different positions/functions. And Sorry Not Sorry to Mike Vick, but no one on earth, Ever, should accept career advice from this guy. I hate it that he still has a platform. Edited January 15, 2023 by Beck Water 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted January 15, 2023 Share Posted January 15, 2023 19 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: what's your source? (other than Sammy) It's mostly Sammy. And if you're being called-out by Sammy for being soft... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted January 15, 2023 Share Posted January 15, 2023 3 minutes ago, Doc said: It's mostly Sammy. And if you're being called-out by Sammy for being soft... ....you're being called out by a guy who looks like a flaming hypocrite? Was there a different way you thought of completing that sentence? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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