HOUSE Posted March 31, 2023 Share Posted March 31, 2023 Let's face it Buffalo got the weiner again 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted March 31, 2023 Share Posted March 31, 2023 44 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said: Ertz has played well for the Cardinals. Not like he had in years past. But he had some productive Cardinals games. Hopkins is 30, doesn't even turn 31 until right before the season starts and you're trying to make him out to be some over the hill WR. He's far from it. Yes, the last 2 seasons he hasn't really played much, that doesn't mean it would carry over into this season and if he could do what he did in 9 games with the Cardinals last year, imagine what he can do with Diggs on the other side with even 10 games next year, I would still take that. I was more responding back to your post about dissing Hopkins about a page or so ago and all the other stuff I read. I didn't see anything you said about McDermott. So I can't comment on that So…..no……you’re not able to admit you misinterpreted my post even though it was obvious and explained to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo03 Posted March 31, 2023 Share Posted March 31, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, 4merper4mer said: So…..no……you’re not able to admit you misinterpreted my post even though it was obvious and explained to you. I didn't misinterpret anything. I was specifically referring to you calling Hopkins worthless. It had nothing to do with McDermott Edited March 31, 2023 by Buffalo03 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billschinatown Posted March 31, 2023 Share Posted March 31, 2023 2 hours ago, HOUSE said: Let's face it Buffalo got the weiner again Wellllll…is that good or bad ? ☺️ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bills!Win! Posted March 31, 2023 Share Posted March 31, 2023 The real question everyone seems to forget is If Ko Simpson was worth millions in 2009, what is OBJ worth today? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein's Dog Posted March 31, 2023 Share Posted March 31, 2023 2 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said: Im on board with your take here...Allen absolutely carried this offense and saved Dorsey from being an even bigger issue. I can't fathom how anyone can defend Dorsey's coaching job last year. He was without question a big part of our offensive issues. In defense of him, it was his first year as an OC on any level. So, he can take what happened last year and build on the positives and work to mitigate the negatives. Any coach subject to such hindsight scrutiny is going to have flaws, and this includes Daboll. Having Allen carry the offense was in part by design from Dorsey. Cook/Shakir were nervous rookies that simply were not ready, Crowder got injured and McKenzie was exposed. How about in defense of Dorsey, the offense was top 3 and part of a team that went 14-4. And Dorsey had less to work with than Daboll because they promoted Gabe and did not backfill the Sanders spot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted March 31, 2023 Share Posted March 31, 2023 5 hours ago, mrags said: I just believe McD has more pull in the drafting and FA process than many believe. McDermott did help hire Beane... didn't he? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted March 31, 2023 Share Posted March 31, 2023 2 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said: McDermott did help hire Beane... didn't he? I think you mean, McDermott did hire Beane. Whaley was let go what, 2 days after the draft and Beane was hired immediately. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted March 31, 2023 Share Posted March 31, 2023 49 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said: I didn't misinterpret anything. I was specifically referring to you calling Hopkins worthless. It had nothing to do with McDermott The point of my post was about McDermott. The correct take on the Hopkins situation was clearly meant to be a side note pointing out it is a Hopkins thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo03 Posted March 31, 2023 Share Posted March 31, 2023 11 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said: The point of my post was about McDermott. The correct take on the Hopkins situation was clearly meant to be a side note pointing out it is a Hopkins thread. It's not a correct take lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted March 31, 2023 Share Posted March 31, 2023 9 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said: It's not a correct take lol It’s an opinion and likely correct. If the Bills had given up the farm for Ertz, it would not have changed anything other than diminishing draft capital. Now here you are wanting to give up the farm again. Regardless of whichever opinion is correct, you decided to make a personal attack and call me the most negative poster on the board. You’re wrong about that and it is simple to find positive posts, but you choose not to do that because of some weird infatuation with Hopkins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newcam2012 Posted March 31, 2023 Share Posted March 31, 2023 3 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said: Im on board with your take here...Allen absolutely carried this offense and saved Dorsey from being an even bigger issue. I can't fathom how anyone can defend Dorsey's coaching job last year. He was without question a big part of our offensive issues. He utterly terrible in how he called games in the redzone, he poorly integrated our run game, he failed to get guys like Cook, Hines, and Shakir involved consistently in our passing game, and just how outclassed he was in the playoffs by opposing DC's. It also took him way too long to realize we should throw the ball to Knox, especially in the endzone. Opposing defenders would talk about the minimal routes guys like Davis would run and how predictable it could be. And it showed up on tape where our WR's struggled to get open and too much of our pass attack success was on the back of Allen improvising and extending plays so receivers could break off routes and find a spot for Allen to get the ball. Our OL is not good enough to keep relying on extended plays. The offense came out fast and furious, but then it was figured out by the time we played GB who gave the NFL a blueprint on to disrupt the offense that was never countered properly by Dorsey. In defense of him, it was his first year as an OC on any level. So, he can take what happened last year and build on the positives and work to mitigate the negatives. But, not going to lie, it makes me nervous gambling on Josh Allen and Diggs prime years on an inexperienced OC who is learning on the job. This team absolutely needs Dorsey to be better this year and to understand how to make much better adjustments. And that was the BIG difference between him and Daboll...is that Daboll was always changing the offense and gameplan each week and it was one of the big reasons that under him we were known to have one of the most complicated offenses in the league for players to learn. But at least Frazier is gone...another guy whose post season performances are indefensible. Im much more optimistic that McD is calling plays than I would be if Frazier was back. The last time McD took over play calling from Frazier our defense immediately improved and significantly. Really well written post. Your post was elaborate, concise, reasonable, and factual. I couldn't say it any better than you did. It's refreshing to get a grounded and realistic view. Often, I found that lacking here. I get its a Bills board; but a little reality goes a long way even if it's in a negative light. I know Josh pounded the table for Dorsey. It was a familiarity and a "comfort zone" move to have him move up to OC. In retrospect, I wonder if this was the correct move? Why do I say that? The Bills were and are in win it all move. They were overwhelming favorites to represent the AFC and win the Super Bowl. Yet, they chose to go with a rookie OC which seems counter intuitive to a "all in" move. This decision proved to be detrimental to the Bills chances. It become clearer and clearer as the season progressed. In the playoffs, there was no doubt Dorsey was in over his head. He needs to dramatically improve if the Bills want to hoist the Lombardi trophy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo03 Posted March 31, 2023 Share Posted March 31, 2023 3 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said: It’s an opinion and likely correct. If the Bills had given up the farm for Ertz, it would not have changed anything other than diminishing draft capital. Now here you are wanting to give up the farm again. Regardless of whichever opinion is correct, you decided to make a personal attack and call me the most negative poster on the board. You’re wrong about that and it is simple to find positive posts, but you choose not to do that because of some weird infatuation with Hopkins. No one said Ertz was good enough to give up the farm for. If Hopkins was a year or 2 younger, he could easily fetch a 2nd rounder. But he is still easily and elite WR. But anyway, have a good day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted March 31, 2023 Share Posted March 31, 2023 1 minute ago, newcam2012 said: Really well written post. Your post was elaborate, concise, reasonable, and factual. I couldn't say it any better than you did. It's refreshing to get a grounded and realistic view. Often, I found that lacking here. I get its a Bills board; but a little reality goes a long way even if it's in a negative light. I know Josh pounded the table for Dorsey. It was a familiarity and a "comfort zone" move to have him move up to OC. In retrospect, I wonder if this was the correct move? Why do I say that? The Bills were and are in win it all move. They were overwhelming favorites to represent the AFC and win the Super Bowl. Yet, they chose to go with a rookie OC which seems counter intuitive to a "all in" move. This decision proved to be detrimental to the Bills chances. It become clearer and clearer as the season progressed. In the playoffs, there was no doubt Dorsey was in over his head. He needs to dramatically improve if the Bills want to hoist the Lombardi trophy. Is it well written because he agrees with you? Any points off for being completely unrelated to the topic of the thread? 2 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said: No one said Ertz was good enough to give up the farm for. If Hopkins was a year or 2 younger, he could easily fetch a 2nd rounder. But he is still easily and elite WR. But anyway, have a good day Ertz wasn’t worth Jack diddly. I can’t possibly have a good day…..I’m too negative. Good luck unbunching your panties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newcam2012 Posted March 31, 2023 Share Posted March 31, 2023 (edited) 5 hours ago, Einstein's Dog said: "Hopefully accelerate his demise", what's a matter with you? "If he continues to come up short", what are you one of those Superbowl or else, no excuses, nutjobs? We've been playoff bound, division winner, superbowl contenders for a few years now. This is what Bills fans have wanted for years. The small sample size of playoff losses have been with extenuating circumstances and/or injuries. Lets stay the course and see what the future brings. I think your take is more than fair. No doubt, I'm pleased that the Bills have had great regular seasons, playoff appearances, and playoff wins. Certainly, way way way better than the decades of failure Bills fans endured and experienced. Coach McD and GM Beane absolutely deserve accolades for the above mentioned success. They built a winning culture and team. One can justifiably ask why aren't you happy or content. Trust the processs, stay the course, and makes some needed tweaks. Certainly this is a viable mindset. However, let's take a deeper dive. The Bills have without dispute one of the best QBs in the league. Imho, him alone basically gets you in the playoff picture alone. You get my point. With that said, how successful has this regime really been the last few years? I'd argue that they have fallen short. Just look at the past reactions of Allen and Diggs. At this point in Allen's career the Bills team needs to do more. Imho, a Super Bowl appearance at the least is the minimum achievement that satisfies my thrist. Perhaps that's unreasonable and convoluted? In recent years, it's become evident in my eyes that the Bills coaching staff isn't good enough. It's solid and not terrible. However, come playoff time it becomes clear that the Bills coaching is outclassed and out maneuvered. At some point, the Bills coaching and organization have to achieve more. Does that mean stay the course ot make competent changes? No easy decision for sure. Edited March 31, 2023 by newcam2012 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted March 31, 2023 Share Posted March 31, 2023 2 minutes ago, newcam2012 said: I think your take is more than fair. No doubt, I'm pleased that the Bills have had great regular seasons, playoff appearances, and playoff wins. Certainly, way way way better than the decades of failure Bills fans endured and experienced. Coach McD and GM Beane absolutely deserve accolades for the above mentioned success. They built a winning culture and team. One can justifiably ask why aren't you happy or content. Trust the processs, stay the course, and makes some needed tweaks. Certainly this is a viable mindset. However, let's take a deeper dive. The Bills have without dispute one of the best QBs in the league. Imho, him alone basically gets you in the playoff picture alone. You get my point. With that said, how successful has this regime really been the last few years? I'd argue that they have fallen short. Just look at the past reactions if Allen and Diggs. At this point in Allen's career the Bills team needs to do more. Imho, a Super Bowl appearance at the least is the minimum achievement that satisfies my thrist. Perhaps that's unreasonable and convoluted? In recent years, it's become evident in my eyes that the Bills coaching staff isn't good enough. It's solid and not terrible. However, come playoff time it becomes clear that the Bills coaching is outclassed and out maneuvered. At some point, the Bills coaching and organization have to achieve more. Dies that mean stay the course of make competent changes? No easy decision for sure. This is not a McDermott thread troll. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted March 31, 2023 Share Posted March 31, 2023 1 hour ago, Einstein's Dog said: Any coach subject to such hindsight scrutiny is going to have flaws, and this includes Daboll. Having Allen carry the offense was in part by design from Dorsey. Cook/Shakir were nervous rookies that simply were not ready, Crowder got injured and McKenzie was exposed. How about in defense of Dorsey, the offense was top 3 and part of a team that went 14-4. And Dorsey had less to work with than Daboll because they promoted Gabe and did not backfill the Sanders spot. Personally, I’d rather watch the games than stat check when the season is over. Dorsey was had problems every week once his offense was figured out, the evidence was gushing on the field of where he was coming up short and it’s why everything was so much harder on the offense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted March 31, 2023 Share Posted March 31, 2023 Just now, Alphadawg7 said: Personally, I’d rather watch the games than stat check when the season is over. Dorsey was had problems every week once his offense was figured out, the evidence was gushing on the field of where he was coming up short and it’s why everything was so much harder on the offense. Well Davis can't turn left 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted March 31, 2023 Share Posted March 31, 2023 1 minute ago, Reed83HOF said: Well Davis can't turn left Bahahahaha you win the internet today. Well played! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted March 31, 2023 Share Posted March 31, 2023 1 minute ago, Alphadawg7 said: Bahahahaha you win the internet today. Well played! You know he spends all day in a rabbit suit thinking these things up. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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