Will DeAndre Hopkins be available this offseason?

[NeverOutNick]

I’d be fine with that trade 

[Warriorspikes51]

3 minutes ago, NeverOutNick said:

I’d be fine with that trade 

seems fair. At this point I’ll assume Arizona won’t be retaining any $ 

 

if we really wanted someone in the late 1st, we could always jump back up

Edited March 26, 2023 by Warriorspikes51

[BillsFanForever19]

I mean, i'd be fine with that deal. I just don't think Arizona would give us Hopkins for moving up 7 picks and picking up a conditional late rounder in 2024. That's a FAR cry from what everyone is reporting they're asking for.

[Warriorspikes51]

1 minute ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

I mean, i'd be fine with that deal. I just don't think Arizona would give us Hopkins for moving up 7 picks and picking up a conditional late rounder in 2024. That's a FAR cry from what everyone is reporting they're asking for.

maybe, but as that twitter account pointed out…it’s the optics of a 1st round pick

[Virgil]

I’d do that deal in a heartbeat 

[TheBeaneBandit]

12 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

 

I think I wanna try me some of that trade!😆

[MasterStrategist]

1 minute ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

maybe, but as that twitter account pointed out…it’s the optics of a 1st round pick

Another poster discussed earlier, but do we need to be under the cap at the moment we hypothetically acquire Hopkins?  For example, he puts us over the cap at the moment he is acquired (prior to him potentially restructuring his contract).

 

If so, we have some options but mostly limited to restructuring perhaps Tre or Dion.  Which is probably the "break glass" maneuver for Beane

[Success]

42 minutes ago, ndirish1978 said:

 

We still don't have a MLB or RT

 

I think people have some notion that championship teams are perfect, with true-blue starters & pro bowlers at every position.

 

Even if the season started today - we'd have capable players at those positions. But, of course, we still have the draft ahead of us to fill any perceived holes.

 

[BillsFanForever19]

11 minutes ago, MasterStrategist said:

Another poster discussed earlier, but do we need to be under the cap at the moment we hypothetically acquire Hopkins?  For example, he puts us over the cap at the moment he is acquired (prior to him potentially restructuring his contract).

 

If so, we have some options but mostly limited to restructuring perhaps Tre or Dion.  Which is probably the "break glass" maneuver for Beane

 

I felt like a Tre restructure was the most obvious option going into this offseason. But they haven't done it. Looking into it, it appears we have an out in his contract next offseason if we wanted. My guess is that they don't want to play with future years in his deal in the event that he doesn't return to form or even regresses further and they want to exercise that option.

 

They also restructured his deal already on 12/1/22. So they may have already done all that they figured they could do a few months ago.

 

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/tredavious-white-21768/

Edited March 26, 2023 by BillsFanForever19

[Warriorspikes51]

4 minutes ago, MasterStrategist said:

Another poster discussed earlier, but do we need to be under the cap at the moment we hypothetically acquire Hopkins?  For example, he puts us over the cap at the moment he is acquired (prior to him potentially restructuring his contract).

 

If so, we have some options but mostly limited to restructuring perhaps Tre or Dion.  Which is probably the "break glass" maneuver for Beane

I honestly don’t know, would make sense that he would put us over the cap at moment he is acquired…& so we’d have to free up 9-10 in space prior. That could basically be done immediately and may not even be reported until after the fact. Extending DaQuan would also be nice

[MasterStrategist]

Just now, Success said:

 

I think people have some notion that championship teams are perfect, with true-blue starters & pro bowlers at every position.

 

Even if the season started today - we'd have capable players at those positions. But, of course, we still have the draft ahead of us to fill any perceived holes.

 

Very little confidence at MLB right now, especially for a team with SB aspirations.

 

RT, I have hope Spencer Brown improves going into year 3.  Usually the bigger jump for us, year 2 to 3, and he's getting his QST full NFL offseason (without a surgery).  But hope we add at the position in draft.

 

As mentioned earlier, I'm not keen to MLB round 1.  Round 2, sure...but it's a risk when there's maybe 3 guys who could start immediately

[KingBoots8]

22 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

 

I do this in a heartbeat. Then you go BPA between Jack Campbell, Steve Avila, or consider moving back again if the partner is there

[MasterStrategist]

4 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

I felt like a Tre restructure was the most obvious option going into this offseason. But they haven't done it. Looking into it, it appears we have an out in his contract next offseason if we wanted. My guess is that they don't want to play with future years in his deal in the event that he doesn't return to form or even regresses further and they want to exercise that option.

Agree.  Beane said he's not against more restructures, but gave the hint he doesn't want to do anymore.

 

By my math:

1. Currently: Maybe we are 9-10m under cap.  (Draft likely eats $2m, but this would hypothetically happen after a Hop trade).

 

2. Tre restructure: saves approx $5.7m

 

3. Dion restructure: saves approx $6m.  But Beane might be more reluctant, given Dion has some potential void years in his deal already.

 

4. Hopkins: 2023 cap hit is currently $30m, but we'd be on the hook for approx $19m (assuming Cards do NOT retain anything more than required).

 

So in summary:

1. Immediate Cost=$19m

2. Cap status: let's sat $10m under, so we'd need to clear $9-10m

3. Needed savings: we'd HAVE to restructure both Tre and Dion.  OR Ed is dealt, OR Cards retain more of the cap hit (likely need them to keep at least $5m more...so we only have to restructure Tre).

 

This is why this deal could be VERY VERY complex to get negotiated, due to cap issues.  And would require us to kick alot of cap to future years.

[Scott7975]

20 hours ago, FireChans said:

Might as well trade Josh Allen away. He doesn’t guarantee anything either.

 

Yeah thats not even close to the same thing and you know it.

[wppete]

50 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

 

Good trade for both teams. I’d do this.

[Solomon Grundy]

53 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

 

What about the money... honey? 

[Goin Breakdown]

4 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said:

What about the money... honey? 

If you got the money honey Beans got your disease 

[John from Riverside]

12 minutes ago, wppete said:

Good trade for both teams. I’d do this.

Would also put us in the second round, were a middle linebacker would be more palatable

[BillsFanForever19]

4 minutes ago, Goin Breakdown said:

If you got the money honey Beans got your disease 

 

In the Cap Jungle, Welcome to the Cap Jungle

[Goin Breakdown]

6 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

In the Cap Jungle, Welcome to the Cap Jungle

See you know what's up!