Transfer Portal is killing college football

[ArdmoreRyno]

1,000+ FCS kids have hit the portal this year, most recently. I get a 5th year senior going somewhere (like Spencer Sanders at Oklahoma State) but there are SO MANY freshman-juniors leaving. Making college football not even fun anymore.

 

/rant over

[Bill from NYC]

2 hours ago, ArdmoreRyno said:

1,000+ FCS kids have hit the portal this year, most recently. I get a 5th year senior going somewhere (like Spencer Sanders at Oklahoma State) but there are SO MANY freshman-juniors leaving. Making college football not even fun anymore.

 

/rant over

Alabama already has 12 in the portal. What I don't like is that they can take NIL money and just leave. Even NFL free agents don't have this kind of freedom.

We were talking about bowl games having meaning.....who knows if we can even field a team?

 

Edited December 6, 2022 by Bill from NYC

[cle23]

12 minutes ago, Bill from NYC said:

Alabama already has 12 in the portal. What I don't like is that they can take NIL money and just leave. Even NFL free agents don't have this kind of freedom.

We were talking about bowl games having meaning.....who knows if we can even field a team?

 

 

Most college rosters are 100-120+. They'll be fine fielding a team. 

[djp14150]

3 hours ago, ArdmoreRyno said:

1,000+ FCS kids have hit the portal this year, most recently. I get a 5th year senior going somewhere (like Spencer Sanders at Oklahoma State) but there are SO MANY freshman-juniors leaving. Making college football not even fun anymore.

 

/rant over

I have no isdue with it.

 

players want a chance to start

in the old system thry had to sit out a year while coaches did not

the scholarships sre not guaranteed.  A new coach comes in and can pull scholarships.

[Bill from NYC]

1 hour ago, cle23 said:

 

Most college rosters are 100-120+. They'll be fine fielding a team. 

Probably so. My real point is that the bowl games are virtually pointless and represent little to nothing for ANY team.

[Mr. WEO]

1 hour ago, Bill from NYC said:

Alabama already has 12 in the portal. What I don't like is that they can take NIL money and just leave. Even NFL free agents don't have this kind of freedom.

We were talking about bowl games having meaning.....who knows if we can even field a team?

 

 

Too many 4-5 stars ahead of them on the depth chart...

 

bottom line: same 5-8 teams vying for 4 playoff spots every year anyway...

[Logic]

I think there's going to be an awkward adjustment period for college football, but things will eventually "settle down"/normalize.

I'm just happy the kids finally get to make some money.

[Buffalo716]

The no red shirt year to transfer really opened the floodgates 

 

it used to be a huge decision to transfer … do I want to lose a year of eligibility? 
 

now you don’t need patience … if you don’t like sitting … just leave 

[BADOLBILZ]

 

On 12/6/2022 at 9:50 AM, ArdmoreRyno said:

1,000+ FCS kids have hit the portal this year, most recently. I get a 5th year senior going somewhere (like Spencer Sanders at Oklahoma State) but there are SO MANY freshman-juniors leaving. Making college football not even fun anymore.

 

/rant over

 

 

The cotton business got less fun when the fixed costs turned variable too.

 

The NCAA is organized crime.  

 

[YoloinOhio]

20 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:

The no red shirt year to transfer really opened the floodgates 

 

it used to be a huge decision to transfer … do I want to lose a year of eligibility? 
 

now you don’t need patience … if you don’t like sitting … just leave 

I think the concept is good but seems to operate a little differently than intended for some. JT Daniels is going to be on his 4th school and pretty sure that he was never a backup - what’s the issue each time? That said I am glad kids have the ability to leave if it’s not the right fit or there is a coaching change. It’s a huge decision to make as a HS kid. 

[Bill from NYC]

7 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

 

The cotton business got less fun when the fixed costs turned variable too.

 

The NCAA is organized crime.  

 

I heard on Sirius today that Miami offered Alabama OLB/Edge Dallas Turner 1 million dollars to transfer. I don't blame Miami; I have seen every snap of his at Alabama and I'm telling you that he is very, VERY good.

That said, the system bothers me. I am not thinking that he will be a better player with a cool million (and who knows how much more) in his pocket. Will he be as hungry? Maybe so but I doubt it. 

I know that the players deserve money. I also know that Saban will be able to poach players from other teams and probably will, with or without Turner. I just think that that there should be a system in place. 

I get it that I am a bit reluctant to change. So are most people imo but this current system is like complete anarchy and needs structure imo.

What do you think?

[BADOLBILZ]

37 minutes ago, Bill from NYC said:

I heard on Sirius today that Miami offered Alabama OLB/Edge Dallas Turner 1 million dollars to transfer. I don't blame Miami; I have seen every snap of his at Alabama and I'm telling you that he is very, VERY good.

That said, the system bothers me. I am not thinking that he will be a better player with a cool million (and who knows how much more) in his pocket. Will he be as hungry? Maybe so but I doubt it. 

I know that the players deserve money. I also know that Saban will be able to poach players from other teams and probably will, with or without Turner. I just think that that there should be a system in place. 

I get it that I am a bit reluctant to change. So are most people imo but this current system is like complete anarchy and needs structure imo.

What do you think?

 

 

The NCAA were too greedy to resolve the compensation issue from within.........so they turned it over to the shyster boosters because they didn't want to go out of pocket..........and it's predictably turned into a free-for-all. 

 

Ultimately.........won't matter much to the big schools and schools in big cities..........just means they might have to reluctantly peel a few loose bills off of their stacks of $100M+ annual profits and apply it to paying extra people to help manage NIL/Portal/Retention/Recuiting. 

 

An un-talked about aspect is that with the ease of transfer now teams are more able to get rid of players who don't fit their culture.

 

The aforementioned Hurricanes have about 15 players who have been asked to find "education" elsewhere...........because you don't have to keep them when the transfer portal is full of replacements.      

Edited December 8, 2022 by BADOLBILZ

[Mikie2times]

I think the system makes it harder to love your players/team, similar to NFL and free agency, but then again, the team loyalty itself is the driver for most. The players are just evolving jersey fillers. I guess I don't mind it too much. One thing I will say, no more Alabama dominance. With NIL money, no 4 star is going to stay more than a year growing in the system. We will still see elite schools on a consistent basis, but the outright domination as we saw with Bama is done. Lastly, I would absolutely want nothing to do with CFB right now if I was a coach. You recruit your rear end off, lose half your gains, try and stop portal transfers, try and compete with NIL money. It's too much. I could easily see a GM style position taken on by some colleges as the roster management and moving pieces is just getting to be too much for one guy who is supposed to be focused on X's and O's.   

[Bill from NYC]

14 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

The NCAA were too greedy to resolve the compensation issue from within.........so they turned it over to the shyster boosters because they didn't want to go out of pocket..........and it's predictably turned into a free-for-all. 

 

Ultimately.........won't matter much to the big schools and schools in big cities..........just means they might have to reluctantly peel a few loose bills off of their stacks of $100M+ annual profits and apply it to paying extra people to help manage NIL/Portal/Retention/Recuiting. 

 

An un-talked about aspect is that with the ease of transfer now teams are more able to get rid of players who don't fit their culture.

 

The aforementioned Hurricanes have about 15 players who have been asked to find "education" elsewhere...........because you don't have to keep them when the transfer portal is full of replacements.      

I agree. At last count Bama had 12 in the portal, and there is nothing to make me not believe that Saban ushered them into it as well.

 

I think that the biggest problem I have with with NIL is that imo, it will never increase the quality of play for the athlete and will often decrease it. I have said this many times, who wants to box Mike Tyson or get hit by Ruben Foster if you have 500K in your pocket and a selection from an entire university chock full of hot coeds?

 

I don't know where this whole thing will go, but it will wind up costing some of the better players money in the long run, or at least I think it will. Most of the best players come from poverty stricken backgrounds.  I truly don't think that many, if not most of them are mature enough or prepared to handle themselves with all of this sudden cash.

 

Jmo.

[Logic]

23 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

The cotton business got less fun when the fixed costs turned variable too.

 

The NCAA is organized crime.  

 

We obviously don't see eye to eye on many topics, but this is an A+ post. 

[ArdmoreRyno]

Oklahoma State LB, Mason Cobb who was the leading tackler, entered a few days ago... rumor was TWO WEEKS AGO that Texas A&M was trying to lure him to College Station.  

 

Well, shock... he's now visiting.

 

Completely against NCAA rules. 

[4merper4mer]

Badol I think put it best with his cotton comment.  The NCAA has been stealing money for years.  I think Bill is also correct calling this anarchy even if I disagree that players on balance will experience a degradation in play.  It may be for some, but others may get a taste for the money and work even harder for the big NFL bucks.  A wash?

 

The difficulty here is that the NCAA thieves are completely inexperienced in creating or maintaining a system based on fairness rather than thievery.  Maybe they can fix it but if they do there will be a lot of turmoil which is only beginning now.  Let’s face it, if they basically swept a decade of child rape under the rug so that the Penn State dollars could keep flowing, they will only fix the transfer portal, NIL, etc. if they can measure the loss of money.  They can’t put the toothpaste back in the tube and they don’t really know how to create a new tube yet.

[Buffalo716]

5 hours ago, ArdmoreRyno said:

Oklahoma State LB, Mason Cobb who was the leading tackler, entered a few days ago... rumor was TWO WEEKS AGO that Texas A&M was trying to lure him to College Station.  

 

Well, shock... he's now visiting.

 

Completely against NCAA rules. 

I don’t believe it is against rules 

 

Once a player enters the portal… He is allowed to talk to as many coaches or visit as many schools as he likes

 

College football reporters are super plugged in… They probably knew he was gonna enter the portal and that A&M was a front runner and it came to fruition 

 

He probably told some people he was going to transfer and he obviously had some schools in mind 

Edited December 8, 2022 by Buffalo716

[Bill from NYC]

6 hours ago, ArdmoreRyno said:

Oklahoma State LB, Mason Cobb who was the leading tackler, entered a few days ago... rumor was TWO WEEKS AGO that Texas A&M was trying to lure him to College Station.  

 

Well, shock... he's now visiting.

 

Completely against NCAA rules. 

I hope that you get someone to replace him. I can't imagine the money they are tossing around.

 

As far as A&M, their roster is loaded with talent. Alabama was heavily recruiting their DT Water Nolen, who I think will be great. That said, carrying a roster full of millionaires didn't help them last season. 

[DrDawkinstein]

If I'm a student studying Chemistry on an academic scholarship, I can transfer schools anytime I want.

 

If I'm the Head Coach of the Football team, I can leave anytime I want for any better offer from any school. Often with a simple text message to the children who I recruited and promised their parents I would look after them and help them become men. Bye!

 

The portal is just. And it is fine.

[Southern_Bills]

It's killing it but they created it. 

 

I mean you maximize the school and coaches dollar (Billion dollar business) and then open a door to pay players and offer a system to transfer with no punishment. 

 

Drake may (North Carolina freshman QB) I reported to be entering, and why wouldn't he? He can see if he is offered millions to play for a contender, if he didn't do it it's a disservice to himself.

 

Worst case scenario he goes back to NC with no repercussions, best case he is at OSU or Bama with millions in the bank.

 

I don't like it but I don't blame the players. Schools look out for #1, why shouldn't they?

[DrDawkinstein]

 

3 hours ago, 4merper4mer said:

The difficulty here is that the NCAA thieves are completely inexperienced in creating or maintaining a system based on fairness rather than thievery.  Maybe they can fix it but if they do there will be a lot of turmoil which is only beginning now.  Let’s face it, if they basically swept a decade of child rape under the rug so that the Penn State dollars could keep flowing, they will only fix the transfer portal, NIL, etc. if they can measure the loss of money.  They can’t put the toothpaste back in the tube and they don’t really know how to create a new tube yet.

 

Surprising no one with their corruption and incompetency, the NCAA screwed up the "pay the players" issue resolution by taking the easiest way out. The NIL idea is the worst possible solution to that issue. But it's the quickest and easiest one for them. The NCAA is such a joke.

[Southern_Bills]

22 hours ago, KzooMike said:

I think the system makes it harder to love your players/team, similar to NFL and free agency, but then again, the team loyalty itself is the driver for most. The players are just evolving jersey fillers. I guess I don't mind it too much. One thing I will say, no more Alabama dominance. With NIL money, no 4 star is going to stay more than a year growing in the system. We will still see elite schools on a consistent basis, but the outright domination as we saw with Bama is done. Lastly, I would absolutely want nothing to do with CFB right now if I was a coach. You recruit your rear end off, lose half your gains, try and stop portal transfers, try and compete with NIL money. It's too much. I could easily see a GM style position taken on by some colleges as the roster management and moving pieces is just getting to be too much for one guy who is supposed to be focused on X's and O's.   

 

I can see your point, though I will say the teams with the most money will also pay the 4 star on the bench to make sure he is happy and content with waiting his turn in a great system at a contender.

 

The 12 team playoff will also disperse talent, you no longer have to go to only 5 or 6 schools to have a chance at the playoffs.

[BADOLBILZ]

8 hours ago, Bill from NYC said:

I agree. At last count Bama had 12 in the portal, and there is nothing to make me not believe that Saban ushered them into it as well.

 

I think that the biggest problem I have with with NIL is that imo, it will never increase the quality of play for the athlete and will often decrease it. I have said this many times, who wants to box Mike Tyson or get hit by Ruben Foster if you have 500K in your pocket and a selection from an entire university chock full of hot coeds?

 

I don't know where this whole thing will go, but it will wind up costing some of the better players money in the long run, or at least I think it will. Most of the best players come from poverty stricken backgrounds.  I truly don't think that many, if not most of them are mature enough or prepared to handle themselves with all of this sudden cash.

 

Jmo.

 

 

There is an old business axiom:   "Pigs get fat.......hogs get slaughtered."

 

The NCAA have started themselves down a path that could undermine their money raking racket.

 

Yeah........it's likely to make the product worse.........and do less to prepare players for the NFL..........which in turn encourages the NFL to eventually do something about that.

 

The NFL was happy to let the NCAA make their millions and not have to deal with developing their own talent but when the system fails then they will do something about it.

 

Between the chaos at the college ranks and the declining youth enrollment.........the NFL has a problem on it's hands.

 

This years draft.......there are *maybe* 15 guys who are going to have first round grades..........if those kind of numbers become the norm that is unacceptable production by the NCAA if I am the NFL.

 

 

[Bill from NYC]

11 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

There is an old business axiom:   "Pigs get fat.......hogs get slaughtered."

 

The NCAA have started themselves down a path that could undermine their money raking racket.

 

Yeah........it's likely to make the product worse.........and do less to prepare players for the NFL..........which in turn encourages the NFL to eventually do something about that.

 

The NFL was happy to let the NCAA make their millions and not have to deal with developing their own talent but when the system fails then they will do something about it.

 

Between the chaos at the college ranks and the declining youth enrollment.........the NFL has a problem on it's hands.

 

This years draft.......there are *maybe* 15 guys who are going to have first round grades..........if those kind of numbers become the norm that is unacceptable production by the NCAA if I am the NFL.

 

 

So true!!! Tbh I had not thought of the possibility of the NFL stepping in, and there are many ways in which they could.

 

Btw, I agree 1,000,000% about this draft. I saw 1 early mock that had 6 or 7 QBs going in round 1, and I'm not sure that ANY of them are as good as Tua or Mac Jones, let alone Josh. Even Will Anderson who is potentially great (I liken him to some degree to Von Miller) took a step back this season so yes; I think that the quality will rapidly decrease unless the NFL steps in.

 

Thanks for yet another great post!

 

 

[PromoTheRobot]

On 12/6/2022 at 9:50 AM, ArdmoreRyno said:

1,000+ FCS kids have hit the portal this year, most recently. I get a 5th year senior going somewhere (like Spencer Sanders at Oklahoma State) but there are SO MANY freshman-juniors leaving. Making college football not even fun anymore.

 

/rant over

 

Any good player UB had is running for the exit. This isn't going to affect the elite programs as much, but hundreds of other programs won't be able to build anything from year to year. Every good player will want to move up. Every depth player will want to start somewhere. It will be like shuffling a deck every year with no idea what you end up with. And fans of these schools and the boosters will start to lose interest.  It's bad enough when the coaches take off and take your best players with them.

Edited December 9, 2022 by PromoTheRobot

[PromoTheRobot]

36 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

There is an old business axiom:   "Pigs get fat.......hogs get slaughtered."

 

The NCAA have started themselves down a path that could undermine their money raking racket.

 

Yeah........it's likely to make the product worse.........and do less to prepare players for the NFL..........which in turn encourages the NFL to eventually do something about that.

 

The NFL was happy to let the NCAA make their millions and not have to deal with developing their own talent but when the system fails then they will do something about it.

 

Between the chaos at the college ranks and the declining youth enrollment.........the NFL has a problem on it's hands.

 

This years draft.......there are *maybe* 15 guys who are going to have first round grades..........if those kind of numbers become the norm that is unacceptable production by the NCAA if I am the NFL.

 

 

 

Could more players end up going to the XFL or USFL for development? 

[Bill from NYC]

26 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

Could more players end up going to the XFL or USFL for development? 

Good question. Could they possibly pay as much as Texas A&M, etc.?

[PromoTheRobot]

5 minutes ago, Bill from NYC said:

Good question. Could they possibly pay as much as Texas A&M, etc.?

 

Star players, no. But everyone else? Pretty sure they can.

 

The NFL wants to keep any development league at arms length for liability purposes. But I'm sure they'd love to see prospects coached up in a pro setting.

[Southern_Bills]

On 12/8/2022 at 6:53 PM, PromoTheRobot said:

 

Could more players end up going to the XFL or USFL for development? 

 

I would personally love a developmental league, I guess semi-pro for 17-24 year Olds. 

 

Would suck the money out of college to an extent but it would also return it to the pageantry and true "student-athletes" instead of kids doing what they have to so they can have a chance at the NFL.

 

Win-win IMO. Most of these kids have zero interest in going to college. 

[PromoTheRobot]

1 hour ago, Southern_Bills said:

 

I would personally love a developmental league, I guess semi-pro for 17-24 year Olds. 

 

Would suck the money out of college to an extent but it would also return it to the pageantry and true "student-athletes" instead of kids doing what they have to so they can have a chance at the NFL.

 

Win-win IMO. Most of these kids have zero interest in going to college. 

 

Once you introduce (overt) money into the process it's only a matter of time before someone comes along with enough money to buy themselves an SEC-like pro development league.

[Buffalo716]

1 hour ago, Southern_Bills said:

 

I would personally love a developmental league, I guess semi-pro for 17-24 year Olds. 

 

Would suck the money out of college to an extent but it would also return it to the pageantry and true "student-athletes" instead of kids doing what they have to so they can have a chance at the NFL.

 

Win-win IMO. Most of these kids have zero interest in going to college. 

There is a semi professional development league… 

 

It’s called division one football

 

And the bold it is so untrue… 99% of D1 football players never sniff the pros…. The majority are all there for their education

 

The elite of the elite don’t care… A free college education is still a huge Boon to a lot of kids

Edited December 12, 2022 by Buffalo716

[Southern_Bills]

47 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

There is a semi professional development league… 

 

It’s called division one football

 

And the bold it is so untrue… 99% of D1 football players never sniff the pros…. The majority are all there for their education

 

The elite of the elite don’t care… A free college education is still a huge Boon to a lot of kids

 

We will have to agree to disagree. 

 

And besides, it isn't like the option to go play D1 would be taken away, it would still exist and be readily available. 

 

For the kids that have no interest in college they would have another option, and if they didn't make it, something tells me they would have made enough in the developmental league to pay for their school if they chose that route.

[DrDawkinstein]

6 hours ago, Southern_Bills said:

 

I would personally love a developmental league, I guess semi-pro for 17-24 year Olds. 

 

Would suck the money out of college to an extent but it would also return it to the pageantry and true "student-athletes" instead of kids doing what they have to so they can have a chance at the NFL.

 

Win-win IMO. Most of these kids have zero interest in going to college. 

 

Big disagree that "most of the kids have zero interest in college". At least half of them are there for school.

 

Force them to decide between school (which they would now have to pay for since no more scholarships), or a Dev league they are most likely not making it out of... seems more like Lose-Lose.

[PromoTheRobot]

49 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Big disagree that "most of the kids have zero interest in college". At least half of them are there for school.

 

Force them to decide between school (which they would now have to pay for since no more scholarships), or a Dev league they are most likely not making it out of... seems more like Lose-Lose.

 

What if a dev league gives you a free ride to any school you want to go to, and pay you?

[DrDawkinstein]

2 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

What if a dev league gives you a free ride to any school you want to go to, and pay you?

 

So college football with more steps?

[PromoTheRobot]

17 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

So college football with more steps?

 

College football without academic requirements. And if you want a degree. you have the option.

[Southern_Bills]

6 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Big disagree that "most of the kids have zero interest in college". At least half of them are there for school.

 

Force them to decide between school (which they would now have to pay for since no more scholarships), or a Dev league they are most likely not making it out of... seems more like Lose-Lose.

 

Half of them? Yes I agree with that. Maybe I phrased it wrong. Most of the elite players don't.

 

But again, the colleges would still play ball and have spots for players that wanted school. You are not forcing anything, you are giving options and at the same time preserving the "spirit" of college football. 

 

I'm fine with them getting paid either way, at the school or away from it.