Einstein Posted November 19, 2022 Share Posted November 19, 2022 13 hours ago, LeGOATski said: It does, but you have to leave Buffalo. That's why Daboll wanted to leave. Daboll got a head coaching job by being in Buffalo… 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted November 19, 2022 Share Posted November 19, 2022 10 hours ago, turftoe said: I think the mystery illness with Kim is at least a distraction, if not an internal issue. In my opinion, she has been the real mover and shaker, not Terry. Huh? She has nothing to do with the football side of the business on a day to day basis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Generic_Bills_Fan Posted November 19, 2022 Share Posted November 19, 2022 14 hours ago, GoBills808 said: No. I was responding to someone pining for Daboll, when in actuality this year's iteration is largely the same if not a slightly superior version of last year's offense. Idk how people don’t see this lol we were complaining about dabolls playcalls every week last year and we had an even bigger midseason slump then. Josh is leading the league in total yards and is 2nd in tds. Dorsey is certainly not forcing him to throw the ball to the other team. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted November 19, 2022 Share Posted November 19, 2022 15 hours ago, GoBills808 said: No. I was responding to someone pining for Daboll, when in actuality this year's iteration is largely the same if not a slightly superior version of last year's offense. The 2022 Bills are 22nd in the red zone, which is downright criminal considering who is under center. We were 7th last year. 13th in 2020. 17th in 19. 16th in 18. 21st in 17 (With Tuh and Dennison lmao). Thats horrific and the biggest reason why Dorsey’s is not “largely the same if not slightly superior,” compared to Daboll. We are worse in the red zone than we were when Josh was a rookie and Andre Holmes was WR2. Criminal. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted November 19, 2022 Share Posted November 19, 2022 27 minutes ago, Einstein said: Daboll got a head coaching job by being in Buffalo… Daboll pulled a Mike Mularkey. He took a step back after surprising the league by having a QB unexpectedly look like an MVP candidate one year(Kordell Stewart)........and then after that notably lesser performance with the star QB than the prior season he got a gig anyway by connections. Mularkey got his thru Donahoe to bring Steelers football to Buffalo and Daboll in a package with Schoen to try to replicate McBeane's success. Wyche, Mularkey and Daboll are all the same type of wicky-wacky play callers(as Wyche was called by many around the league). When it works it's great. But inconsistency from year to year was a hallmark. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted November 19, 2022 Share Posted November 19, 2022 33 minutes ago, FireChans said: The 2022 Bills are 22nd in the red zone, which is downright criminal considering who is under center. We were 7th last year. 13th in 2020. 17th in 19. 16th in 18. 21st in 17 (With Tuh and Dennison lmao). Thats horrific and the biggest reason why Dorsey’s is not “largely the same if not slightly superior,” compared to Daboll. We are worse in the red zone than we were when Josh was a rookie and Andre Holmes was WR2. Criminal. I care more about yards and points than trips inside the 20. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted November 19, 2022 Share Posted November 19, 2022 51 minutes ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said: Idk how people don’t see this lol we were complaining about dabolls playcalls every week last year and we had an even bigger midseason slump then. Josh is leading the league in total yards and is 2nd in tds. Dorsey is certainly not forcing him to throw the ball to the other team. A portion of fans here complain about the OC all the time, no matter who he is, or what the Bills are doing! It's the easiest scapegoat in the football world. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bermuda Triangle Posted November 19, 2022 Share Posted November 19, 2022 15 hours ago, JakeFrommStateFarm said: Really ? One of your posts attacked a fellow poster for being on antidepressants. That is is way overboard and is not exactly handling "negative discourse" Yikes, although that sounds like his M.O. Pretty much a despicable POS. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted November 19, 2022 Share Posted November 19, 2022 3 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: I care more about yards and points than trips inside the 20. Converting inside the 20 directly correlates to points..... We have the best dual threat QB in the game and we get a TD 52% of the time we get into the redzone. A million puke face emojis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted November 19, 2022 Share Posted November 19, 2022 3 minutes ago, FireChans said: Converting inside the 20 directly correlates to points..... We have the best dual threat QB in the game and we get a TD 52% of the time we get into the redzone. A million puke face emojis. 2nd in the league in ppg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted November 19, 2022 Share Posted November 19, 2022 1 minute ago, GoBills808 said: 2nd in the league in ppg Does that mean the red zone stat is good? lmao Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted November 19, 2022 Share Posted November 19, 2022 (edited) 58 minutes ago, FireChans said: The 2022 Bills are 22nd in the red zone, which is downright criminal considering who is under center. We were 7th last year. 13th in 2020. 17th in 19. 16th in 18. 21st in 17 (With Tuh and Dennison lmao). Thats horrific and the biggest reason why Dorsey’s is not “largely the same if not slightly superior,” compared to Daboll. We are worse in the red zone than we were when Josh was a rookie and Andre Holmes was WR2. Criminal. Well last year they DID have one of the easier schedules in football. This year, it's been tough sledding and their entire division is in playoff position right now. Fact.......good teams play better red zone defense. Add in that they have notably lesser personnel in the WR corps than 2021............McKenzie is an absolute joke as a starting slot receiver..........and Josh Allen making inexplicably crazy decisions in the red zone.......and it's not so criminal of the OC, in fact. IMO the Dorsey and Daboll experience has been very similar. But there haven't been the full game flops like last year. Which points to original game plans by Dorsey being better than Daboll last year. Edited November 19, 2022 by BADOLBILZ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Generic_Bills_Fan Posted November 19, 2022 Share Posted November 19, 2022 (edited) 29 minutes ago, Nextmanup said: A portion of fans here complain about the OC all the time, no matter who he is, or what the Bills are doing! It's the easiest scapegoat in the football world. Seems like way more of an execution issue this season to me…tons of yards,tons of points, tons of turnovers. 26 minutes ago, FireChans said: Converting inside the 20 directly correlates to points..... We have the best dual threat QB in the game and we get a TD 52% of the time we get into the redzone. A million puke face emojis. We probably have one of the worst run blocking offensive lines in football too though and no one has stepped up at slot receiver . That makes calling plays in the red zone a lot more difficult. It’s undoubtedly a problem, but idk how much of it is on Dorsey and how much the players. josh had a ton of easy ways to pick up a first on that final play vs Minnesota and he threw a terrible ball to Davis instead. Hard to blame Dorsey on those kind of plays Edited November 19, 2022 by Generic_Bills_Fan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted November 19, 2022 Share Posted November 19, 2022 9 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said: Well last year they DID have one of the easier schedules in football. This year, it's been tough sledding and their entire division is in playoff position right now. Fact.......good teams play better red zone defense. Add in that they have notably lesser personnel in the WR corps than 2021............McKenzie is an absolute joke as a starting slot receiver..........and Josh Allen making inexplicably crazy decisions in the red zone.......and it's not so criminal of the OC, in fact. IMO the Dorsey and Daboll experience has been very similar. But there haven't been the full game flops like last year. Which points to original game plans by Dorsey being better than Daboll last year. Don't you feel like we are in a similar skid now? 2nd half of the GB game to full Jets game to full Vikings game have been super mistake prone and a sleepwalking offense at times. We got outscored 23-6 in the second half of the Vikings game. We have 8 TO's in the last 10 Q's of football. I guess we haven't had a Jags game fiasco yet, but we are certainly slumping. I would rather have one inexplicable game buoyed by dominant offensive performances before and after than this stretch. 7 minutes ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said: Seems like way more of an execution issue this season to me…tons of yards,tons of points, tons of turnovers. We probably have one of the worst run blocking offensive lines in football too though and no one has stepped up at slot receiver . That makes calling plays in the red zone a lot more difficult. It’s undoubtedly a problem, but idk how much of it is on Dorsey and how much the players. Like I said, we have a worst RZ offense than the 2018 Bills. That includes games started by Derek Anderson and Nate Peterman, with a horrific OL and horrific WR's and a rookie Josh Allen. Not sure if you can point to talent. There's a huge series by Cover1 that our play design in the RZ is a joke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted November 19, 2022 Share Posted November 19, 2022 41 minutes ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said: Seems like way more of an execution issue this season to me…tons of yards,tons of points, tons of turnovers. We probably have one of the worst run blocking offensive lines in football too though and no one has stepped up at slot receiver . That makes calling plays in the red zone a lot more difficult. It’s undoubtedly a problem, but idk how much of it is on Dorsey and how much the players. josh had a ton of easy ways to pick up a first on that final play vs Minnesota and he threw a terrible ball to Davis instead. Hard to blame Dorsey on those kind of plays There is a lot of things that can be said so while I say this, please keep in mind I am not focusing this at you but your comment opens the chance to weigh in... Tampa Bay has a lack of depth at WR, an inconsistent running back situation, an underwhelming OL, a defense that isn't in rhythm. Miami has no running back, and no threat on the ground (Tua scrambling is a bad idea), their OL is over achieving and may come back to reality, their defense is a joke. And Tua is one sneeze away from death. The Jets are a coin flip of a team that won't get the job done. The Titans have a weakness at QB but are otherwise quite a sound team. Their pass coverage and run defense as a whole are over achieving. They might be a one of the better teams in the league. KC has no run game. KEH is hurt. Tooney and whoever else are at WR are not Hill and members past, with their rook not playing to his potential yet. Their defense is barely surviving. Without Kelce and Mahomes they're done. Minnesota is the luckiest team in the league. Very good and playing the fundamentals well but they should have lost 1 or 2 games. But now they have swagger. My point is every team has flaws. However, my two favorites to win and succeed based on their football product is Minnesota and Tennessee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nedboy7 Posted November 19, 2022 Share Posted November 19, 2022 Let's see.... do I fire McD if I am the owner and have seen how relevant and competitive he has made the Bills just so I can please the fanbase who wants to give every coach 2-3 years to win the SB? Nah. I definitely am into changing the OC though if this keeps up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted November 19, 2022 Share Posted November 19, 2022 4 hours ago, dave mcbride said: Didn’t address my point. His qbs were TERRIBLE. You’re too smart to buy into the cult of the OC. That’s how guys like Adam Gase get head coaching jobs when all he did was ride the coattails of Manning. Do OCs make a difference at the margins? Sure. But if the qbs suck, you are f**ked — no two ways about it. And whether you are 32nd or 29th is immaterial — you’re going to be horrible when you’re rolling out the likes of Brady Quinn (for two teams!), Seneca Wallace, a rookie Colt McCoy, Chad Henne, Derek Anderson, Matt Moore, and a broken down Matt Cassel. I think there are points on both sides regarding the OC/QB relationship. A talented QB can make a mediocre OC look better than he is, sure. But an OC who isn't up to the job can make a talented QB look mediocre, and a servicable QB look awful. The quintessential example would be the 2015-2016 Rams with Frank Cignetti then Rob Boras as OC. The QB were Nick Foles, Case Keenum, and Jared Goff. None of them looked competent to run a professional NFL offense in those years. Within 2 years, Foles won a Superbowl for the Eagles then next year, took them to the division round of the playoffs; Keenum took the Vikings to 11-3 and a conference championship; Goff took the Rams to 11-5, a division win, then next year 13-3 and a Superbowl appearance. Are any of them great NFL QB? Probably not, but it can't be a coincidence that all 3 looked so bad with the Rams and those OCs, then changed coaches/OCs and went on to strong seasons and some playoff success. Trevor Lawrence is looking much better this year with Press Taylor/Doug Pederson than he looked last season with Darrell Bevel/Urban Meyer. Daniel Jones looked like he might have something, his rookie year with Mike Shula/Pat Shurmer. He looked bad the next two seasons with Jason Garrett/Joe Judge. Now with Mike Kafka/Brian Daboll he looks good again. Tua looks better this year with Frank Smith/Mike McDaniel than he looked his first 2 seasons. So, to Brian Daboll. Yes, in Cleveland, he didn't have a QB. He had Brady Quinn and Colt McCoy. In Miami, he had Matt Moore (who I think can be serviceable) and Chad Henne (no). Daboll arguably got more out of Moore than his previous stints. Then in Kansas, he had Matt Cassel who had a good year (10-5) 2 years prior in KC, and a previous good year in NE - so he arguably could be serviceable - and Brady Quinn again. There's a point to be made that Daboll showed mixed results for maximizing and making the best use of what offensive talent he had. He arguably got the best out of Matt Moore; he didn't get the best out of Matt Cassel but maybe you're right that Cassel was broken, IDK. I think there's an argument to be made that in a couple of those stops, there was more running game and more short passing game to be had. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted November 19, 2022 Share Posted November 19, 2022 1 hour ago, FireChans said: Converting inside the 20 directly correlates to points..... We have the best dual threat QB in the game and we get a TD 52% of the time we get into the redzone. A million puke face emojis. The best dual threat QB in the game has been the biggest reason for our lack of TDs in the red zone. Dorsey deserves some blame, no doubt…..but 17 deserves the majority of the blame for our red zone failures. He’s made some horrific decisions and throws. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bermuda Triangle Posted November 19, 2022 Share Posted November 19, 2022 10 minutes ago, boyst said: There is a lot of things that can be said so while I say this, please keep in mind I am not focusing this at you but your comment opens the chance to weigh in... Tampa Bay has a lack of depth at WR, an inconsistent running back situation, an underwhelming OL, a defense that isn't in rhythm. Miami has no running back, and no threat on the ground (Tua scrambling is a bad idea), their OL is over achieving and may come back to reality, their defense is a joke. And Tua is one sneeze away from death. The Jets are a coin flip of a team that won't get the job done. The Titans have a weakness at QB but are otherwise quite a sound team. Their pass coverage and run defense as a whole are over achieving. They might be a one of the better teams in the league. KC has no run game. KEH is hurt. Tooney and whoever else are at WR are not Hill and members past, with their rook not playing to his potential yet. Their defense is barely surviving. Without Kelce and Mahomes they're done. Minnesota is the luckiest team in the league. Very good and playing the fundamentals well but they should have lost 1 or 2 games. But now they have swagger. My point is every team has flaws. However, my two favorites to win and succeed based on their football product is Minnesota and Tennessee. Favorites to win the Super Bowl? If so, what odds would you like? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted November 19, 2022 Share Posted November 19, 2022 5 minutes ago, Bermuda Triangle said: Favorites to win the Super Bowl? If so, what odds would you like? No. Favorites as in I like their football product. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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