Speaker Pelosi's Home Has Been Attacked

[ChiGoose]

4 minutes ago, BillsFanNC said:

I wonder just how tired people like @ChiGoose get by constantly moving the goalposts.

 

 

It does get tough to try to explain things to the most ignorant people on the world who are suffering from internet brain worms. 
 

But I guess somebody has to do it. 

[ChiGoose]

7 hours ago, JaCrispy said:

So, let me get this straight…

 

A call was placed, by Paul Pelosi to 911 and he hadn’t been attacked yet??? 🤔

 

Pelosi answers the door when police arrive and does not appear to be in any distress??? 🤔

 

The broken glass glass from

the window is on the outside of the home,  insinuating that it was broken from the inside!!! 🤔

 

After police arrived at the home, Pelosi then walks back toward the “intruder”, where he is then bludgeoned with a hammer in front of police??? 🤔

 

 

Just because some people seem to think these are good points instead of what they are: terrible points, let’s take a look.

 

Paul Pelosi called 911 before he was assaulted? How suspicious!

You wake up at 2:30am to a stranger in the house, what do you do? Apparently call 911 is the wrong answer. Maybe just sit there and see where it goes?

 

Paul Pelosi answered the door while wrestling a hammer with the assailant?

Pelosi opened the door with one hand while keeping the other hand on the hammer the assailant was holding. This is suspicious because… reasons!

 

The broken glass is outside the house?!

The broken glass is both inside and outside of the house. Which is to be expected with someone trying to break laminated glass. 

Pelosi ran back to the intruder!

No he didn’t. He was in the foyer when the police arrived. He was wrestling the assailant for control of the hammer and was able to open the door with one arm. 
 

This embarrassing insanity of completely ludicrous and improbable conspiracy has already been debunked but I guess it’s always feelings over facts over here. 

[SoCal Deek]

1 minute ago, ChiGoose said:

Just because some people seem to think these are good points instead of what they are: terrible points, let’s take a look.

 

Paul Pelosi called 911 before he was assaulted? How suspicious!

You wake up at 2:30am to a stranger in the house, what do you do? Apparently call 911 is the wrong answer. Maybe just sit there and see where it goes?

 

Paul Pelosi answered the door while wrestling a hammer with the assailant?

Pelosi opened the door with one hand while keeping the other hand on the hammer the assailant was holding. This is suspicious because… reasons!

 

The broken glass is outside the house?!

The broken glass is both inside and outside of the house. Which is to be expected with someone trying to break laminated glass. 

Pelosi ran back to the intruder!

No he didn’t. He was in the foyer when the police arrived. He was wrestling the assailant for control of the hammer and was able to open the door with one arm. 
 

This embarrassing insanity of completely ludicrous and improbable conspiracy has already been debunked but I guess it’s always feelings over facts over here. 

Goose....speaking as the architect here....it virtually impossible to break laminated glass with a hammer.  You may mean tempered glass, but that shatters into little pebbles, and is installed in doors, just for that reason, should the door unexpectedly slam shut.

[ChiGoose]

16 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

Goose....speaking as the architect here....it virtually impossible to break laminated glass with a hammer.  You may mean tempered glass, but that shatters into little pebbles, and is installed in doors, just for that reason, should the door unexpectedly slam shut.

The police report stated that the officers believed it was laminated. Also that DePape stated that he had a hard time breaking through it. 
 

Maybe it wasn’t laminated but it doesn’t change the fact that the glass shards were both inside and outside of the door. 
 

Also, this part of the conspiracy never made any sense to me. Did they get into a fight and specifically break this one window and absolutely nothing else, but then they made up which is why Pelosi supposedly went back to DePape after opening the door (he didn’t, but people believe he did)?

[SoCal Deek]

1 hour ago, ChiGoose said:

The police report stated that the officers believed it was laminated. Also that DePape stated that he had a hard time breaking through it. 
 

Maybe it wasn’t laminated but it doesn’t change the fact that the glass shards were both inside and outside of the door. 
 

Also, this part of the conspiracy never made any sense to me. Did they get into a fight and specifically break this one window and absolutely nothing else, but then they made up which is why Pelosi supposedly went back to DePape after opening the door (he didn’t, but people believe he did)?

All very odd and not consistent with the properties of laminated glass, which is specifically used in high security applications. It’s REALLY REALLY hard to break through laminated glass. You’d have to beat on it repeatedly….and I mean repeatedly. 

[Chef Jim]

26 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

All very odd and not consistent with the properties of laminated glass, which is specifically used in high security applications. It’s REALLY REALLY hard to break through laminated glass. You’d have to beat on it repeatedly….and I mean repeatedly. 

So he beat it repeatedly.  Dude was a nutcase.  Not odd at at all. Remember where they live.  

[Wacka]

Something doesn't add up. Either the press  f'd up and reported with no follow up or the cops didn't set the story straight from the beginning.

Edited November 20, 2022 by Wacka

[Doc]

4 hours ago, ChiGoose said:

If you think this is the same as the Jussie Smollett story, you need to log off from the internet for a while. It’s rotting your brain. 

 

The point being that with both stories, people questioned the inconsistencies and the left got up in arms over it.  And in Smollett's case, proved to not be what it was claimed to be.  The differences are that Paul Pelosi didn't claim the guy was a MAGA (others did that for him) and we have video of the incident.  But we won't get to see it to judge for ourselves.

Edited November 20, 2022 by Doc

[Orlando Tim]

9 minutes ago, Wacka said:

Something doesn't add up. Either the press  f'd up and reported with no follow up or the cops didn't set the story straight from the beginning.

The issue is that media did a terrible job and then Pelosi did not correct it at any point. I still don't know exactly what happened but several statements from the initial report are straight up incorrect regardless of what @ChiGoose says. The media should have more responsibility than allowing stories to run with innuendo and lies 

[ChiGoose]

3 minutes ago, Orlando Tim said:

The issue is that media did a terrible job and then Pelosi did not correct it at any point. I still don't know exactly what happened but several statements from the initial report are straight up incorrect regardless of what @ChiGoose says. The media should have more responsibility than allowing stories to run with innuendo and lies 

There is an easy solution to this. Just read the DoJ filings. 
 

The media sucks at stuff like this. It’s a rush to be first, so they make mistakes and sew confusion. 
 

So while it’s fine to engage in media criticism, we shouldn’t confuse it with the actual criminal case. 

Edited November 20, 2022 by ChiGoose

[Orlando Tim]

Just now, ChiGoose said:

There is an easy solution to this. Just read the DoJ filings. 
 

The media sucks at stuff like this. It’s a rush to be first, so they make mistakes and see confusion. 
 

So while it’s fine to engage in media criticism, we shouldn’t confuse it with the actual criminal case. 

Doj said Paul did not answer door when police video shows he did, so DOJ under Biden is a bunch of incompetent political hacks. 

[ChiGoose]

Just now, Orlando Tim said:

Doj said Paul did not answer door when police video shows he did, so DOJ under Biden is a bunch of incompetent political hacks. 

I haven’t seen the video. Can you share it?

 

Also, the DoJ filings explicitly state that Paul opened the door. 

[Orlando Tim]

2 minutes ago, ChiGoose said:

I haven’t seen the video. Can you share it?

 

Also, the DoJ filings explicitly state that Paul opened the door. 

Can you show me the DOJ filing? I can't find that. https://www.nationalreview.com/news/body-cam-footage-confirms-paul-pelosi-opened-door-for-police-contradicts-doj-account/

[Orlando Tim]

53 minutes ago, ChiGoose said:

I haven’t seen the video. Can you share it?

 

Also, the DoJ filings explicitly state that Paul opened the door. 

Seriously I can't find the actual DOJ filing- I googled it and they only gave me articles describing it, where can I find actual DOJ filing?

[SoCal Deek]

1 hour ago, Chef Jim said:

So he beat it repeatedly.  Dude was a nutcase.  Not odd at at all. Remember where they live.  

Now you’re an expert in window glazing too? Is there ANY subject that you don’t defer to anyone on? Sheeesh dude! 

[B-Man]

15 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

Now you’re an expert in window glazing too? Is there ANY subject that you don’t defer to anyone on? Sheeesh dude! 

 

 

Maybe he is an expert on "nutcases"

 

 

[ChiGoose]

54 minutes ago, Orlando Tim said:

Seriously I can't find the actual DOJ filing- I googled it and they only gave me articles describing it, where can I find actual DOJ filing?

Original criminal complaint from 10/28

 

Grand Jury indictment from 11/9

 

 

Officers stated that they opened the door while DePape stated that Paul Pelosi opened it. All individuals state that Pelosi and DePape were in the Foyer when the officers entered. 
 

Most likely explanation is that Pelosi unlocked the door and the officers came in but we will see as the evidence is made public. 

 

Also, another example of the media sucking at these things is them not linking to the damned filings. They are public! It’s getting a bit better but some are just hosting the files on their sites instead of linking to the source. 

Edited November 20, 2022 by ChiGoose

[Orlando Tim]

31 minutes ago, ChiGoose said:

Original criminal complaint from 10/28

 

Grand Jury indictment from 11/9

 

 

Officers stated that they opened the door while DePape stated that Paul Pelosi opened it. All individuals state that Pelosi and DePape were in the Foyer when the officers entered. 
 

Most likely explanation is that Pelosi unlocked the door and the officers came in but we will see as the evidence is made public. 

 

Also, another example of the media sucking at these things is them not linking to the damned filings. They are public! It’s getting a bit better but some are just hosting the files on their sites instead of linking to the source. 

You just either lied or never read actual report before responding. The police report does not say that, and DOJ report is not what you say. The fact you say the most likely thing is the only thing that makes Pelosi not the issue says a lot about your political faith.

[ChiGoose]

24 minutes ago, Orlando Tim said:

You just either lied or never read actual report before responding. The police report does not say that, and DOJ report is not what you say. The fact you say the most likely thing is the only thing that makes Pelosi not the issue says a lot about your political faith.

“10. At 2:31 a.m., San Francisco Police Department (“SFPD”) Officer Colby Wilmes responded to the Pelosi residence, California and knocked on the front door. When the door was opened, Pelosi and DEPAPE were both holding a hammer with one hand and DEPAPE had his other hand holding onto Pelosi’s forearm. Pelosi greeted the officers. The officers asked them what was going on. DEPAPE responded that everything was good. Officers then asked Pelosi and DEPAPE to drop the hammer”

 

“DEPAPE stated that they went downstairs to the front door. The police arrived and knocked on the door, and Pelosi ran over and opened it. Pelosi grabbed onto DEPAPE’s hammer, which was in DEPAPE’s hand. At this point in the interview, DEPAPE repeated”

It literally says that the officer says the door was opened and that DePape said that Pelosi opened it.

[Orlando Tim]

7 hours ago, ChiGoose said:

“10. At 2:31 a.m., San Francisco Police Department (“SFPD”) Officer Colby Wilmes responded to the Pelosi residence, California and knocked on the front door. When the door was opened, Pelosi and DEPAPE were both holding a hammer with one hand and DEPAPE had his other hand holding onto Pelosi’s forearm. Pelosi greeted the officers. The officers asked them what was going on. DEPAPE responded that everything was good. Officers then asked Pelosi and DEPAPE to drop the hammer”

 

“DEPAPE stated that they went downstairs to the front door. The police arrived and knocked on the door, and Pelosi ran over and opened it. Pelosi grabbed onto DEPAPE’s hammer, which was in DEPAPE’s hand. At this point in the interview, DEPAPE repeated”

It literally says that the officer says the door was opened and that DePape said that Pelosi opened it.

Ok I stand corrected, I apologize for calling you a liar. 

[ChiGoose]

1 hour ago, Orlando Tim said:

Ok I stand corrected, I apologize for calling you a liar. 

No problem. And I think we can see how the media gets this stuff wrong too. 
 

That’s why it is best to just go to the filings when they are available. 

[BillsFanNC]

 

[Chef Jim]

11 hours ago, SoCal Deek said:

Now you’re an expert in window glazing too? Is there ANY subject that you don’t defer to anyone on? Sheeesh dude! 

I’m just deferring to your expertise. You said:

 

It’s REALLY REALLY hard to break through laminated glass. You’d have to beat on it repeatedly….and I mean repeatedly. 

 

So he beat it repeatedly.  He’s a nut case.  What’s so odd about a nut case in SF beating down a glass door? 
 

This is the stupidest argument.  Is there nothing you guys don’t turn into an us vs them?  🙄

[SoCal Deek]

7 hours ago, Chef Jim said:

I’m just deferring to your expertise. You said:

 

It’s REALLY REALLY hard to break through laminated glass. You’d have to beat on it repeatedly….and I mean repeatedly. 

 

So he beat it repeatedly.  He’s a nut case.  What’s so odd about a nut case in SF beating down a glass door? 
 

This is the stupidest argument.  Is there nothing you guys don’t turn into an us vs them?  🙄

Chef….I’m simply explaining how laminate glass works…which you clearly don’t know. (I’m guessing it wasn’t covered in culinary school.) I’m not taking anyone’s side here. RELAX! 
 

 

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

24 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

Chef….I’m simply explaining how laminate glass works…which you clearly don’t know. (I’m guessing it wasn’t covered in culinary school.) I’m not taking anyone’s side here. RELAX! 
 

 

In this case, it’s hard enough to figure out who opened the daggum door, let alone smashed through a window in the middle of night when the perpetually monitored home was not monitored! 
 

 

[SoCal Deek]

1 hour ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

In this case, it’s hard enough to figure out who opened the daggum door, let alone smashed through a window in the middle of night when the perpetually monitored home was not monitored! 
 

 

Yes, but the type of glass was in the police report, so it must be true. 😉

I'm really NOT taking a side here, nor do I have one, but if someone was trying to get through a pane of laminated glass with a hammer, the ENTIRE neighborhood would have been woken up...not just the house being 'monitored'. And more importantly there would NOT have been shards of glass on the floor either inside or outside the door.

[Chef Jim]

1 hour ago, SoCal Deek said:

Chef….I’m simply explaining how laminate glass works…which you clearly don’t know. (I’m guessing it wasn’t covered in culinary school.) I’m not taking anyone’s side here. RELAX! 
 

 

 

Of course I don't know that's why I'm deferring to your expertise on glass doors and I'm just wondering why you thought it was odd.  What's odd about it?  

[SoCal Deek]

16 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

 

Of course I don't know that's why I'm deferring to your expertise on glass doors and I'm just wondering why you thought it was odd.  What's odd about it?  

If you're ready to listen without assuming I'm pushing ANY sort of agenda....laminated glass is not thick glass. It's made from an inner layer of virtually unbreakable "plastic" sandwiched between two layers of float (plate) glass. This makes it similar to plywood, to use a wood analog. It also means that when struck with a hammer, it tends to bend, and definitely would not shatter on the floor.  The outer glass pane will break but tends to stay adhered to the plastic core. This plywood-like strength also means that you would have to strike it over and over again, very hard, to make a dent in it or bend it far enough to release it from the glazing stops (which are the trim that hold the window pane into the frame). In fact, you would probably pop the nails/screws out of the stops of what appears to be a wood paned patio door, before you would break a piece of laminated glass.

 

We specify laminated glass in prisons. It's not the same as tempered glass, which is what they use in your car windshield or by Code in your sliding patio door. Tempered glass breaks purposefully into pebbles so that you do not get cut by the shards if it happens to break when the door is slammed (or struck by a hammer).

 

I'm not saying ANYTHING about the incident, but based on the evidence, I highly doubt it was laminated glass.

 

Maybe more than you want to know....but there it is. 

[Chef Jim]

7 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

If you're ready to listen without assuming I'm pushing ANY sort of agenda....laminated glass is not thick glass. It's made from an inner layer of virtually unbreakable "plastic" sandwiched between two layers of float (plate) glass. This makes it similar to plywood, to use a wood analog. It also means that when struck with a hammer, it tends to bend, and definitely would not shatter on the floor.  The outer glass pane will break but tends to stay adhered to the plastic core. This plywood-like strength also means that you would have to strike it over and over again, very hard, to make a dent in it or bend it far enough to release it from the glazing stops (which are the trim that hold the window pane into the frame). In fact, you would probably pop the nails/screws out of the stops of what appears to be a wood paned patio door, before you would break a piece of laminated glass.

 

We specify laminated glass in prisons. It's not the same as tempered glass, which is what they use in your car windshield or by Code in your sliding patio door. Tempered glass breaks purposefully into pebbles so that you do not get cut by the shards if it happens to break when the door is slammed (or struck by a hammer).

 

I'm not saying ANYTHING about the incident, but based on the evidence, I highly doubt it was laminated glass.

 

Maybe more than you want to know....but there it is. 

Well that’s just odd. 😁

 

Anyway the whole back and forth on this is pretty silly. Who cares what happened. As a conservative should I cheer if it comes to light the husband of the liberal Speaker of the House was schtupping some dude?  Hell yeah. I’d cheer him because at 82 years old he’s getting more than me and good for him. 

[SoCal Deek]

5 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

Well that’s just odd. 😁

 

Anyway the whole back and forth on this is pretty silly. Who cares what happened. As a conservative should I cheer if it comes to light the husband of the liberal Speaker of the House was schtupping some dude?  Hell yeah. I’d cheer him because at 82 years old he’s getting more than me and good for him. 

It may be odd, but it’s indeed a fact. By the way, if you go to your patio door (or any window paned door) you’ll find a little white text imprinted on the glass telling you that it’s tempered glass. It’s normally in the lower corner of the pane. It’s required by the Building Code. Tempered glass is custom made to fit and must be fired in an oven so that it shatters into little pebbles when struck. (Being a Chef….Thought you might like the oven reference.) 😁

Edited November 21, 2022 by SoCal Deek

[ChiGoose]

13 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

If you're ready to listen without assuming I'm pushing ANY sort of agenda....laminated glass is not thick glass. It's made from an inner layer of virtually unbreakable "plastic" sandwiched between two layers of float (plate) glass. This makes it similar to plywood, to use a wood analog. It also means that when struck with a hammer, it tends to bend, and definitely would not shatter on the floor.  The outer glass pane will break but tends to stay adhered to the plastic core. This plywood-like strength also means that you would have to strike it over and over again, very hard, to make a dent in it or bend it far enough to release it from the glazing stops (which are the trim that hold the window pane into the frame). In fact, you would probably pop the nails/screws out of the stops of what appears to be a wood paned patio door, before you would break a piece of laminated glass.

 

We specify laminated glass in prisons. It's not the same as tempered glass, which is what they use in your car windshield or by Code in your sliding patio door. Tempered glass breaks purposefully into pebbles so that you do not get cut by the shards if it happens to break when the door is slammed (or struck by a hammer).

 

I'm not saying ANYTHING about the incident, but based on the evidence, I highly doubt it was laminated glass.

 

Maybe more than you want to know....but there it is. 

 

Hey @SoCal Deek, I value your opinion on this since it seems to be right up your alley. I don't know for certain if it was laminated glass, though the responding officers believed it was. Initial reports can be obviously be false as people are emotionally charged during the incident.

 

From what I can tell from the photos, there is broken glass both inside and outside the house but there is a large circle of glass that is shattered but still holding together. I'd honestly appreciate your thoughts on this.

 

Here are some different images I've found:

 

Image 1

 

Image 2

 

Image 3

[SoCal Deek]

1 minute ago, ChiGoose said:

 

Hey @SoCal Deek, I value your opinion on this since it seems to be right up your alley. I don't know for certain if it was laminated glass, though the responding officers believed it was. Initial reports can be obviously be false as people are emotionally charged during the incident.

 

From what I can tell from the photos, there is broken glass both inside and outside the house but there is a large circle of glass that is shattered but still holding together. I'd honestly appreciate your thoughts on this.

 

Here are some different images I've found:

 

Image 1

 

Image 2

 

Image 3

See my secondary response above. I have no idea why they’d have laminated glass in a patio door. Remember this is not the same as dual pane insulated glass….which is what I think the officers might’ve been mistakenly referring to. 

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

57 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

Yes, but the type of glass was in the police report, so it must be true. 😉

I'm really NOT taking a side here, nor do I have one, but if someone was trying to get through a pane of laminated glass with a hammer, the ENTIRE neighborhood would have been woken up...not just the house being 'monitored'. And more importantly there would NOT have been shards of glass on the floor either inside or outside the door.

Interesting and valid points. Chef may be confusing breaking laminated glass with baking delicious sea bass.  

 

 

[Chef Jim]

21 hours ago, B-Man said:

 

 

Maybe he is an expert on "nutcases"

 

 

With the amount of time we spend here I think many of us are. 

[SoCal Deek]

53 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

Interesting and valid points. Chef may be confusing breaking laminated glass with baking delicious sea bass.  

 

 

Or breaking an emulsion. 
Okay…now I’m getting hungry. 🙁

[JaCrispy]

On 11/19/2022 at 6:03 PM, ChiGoose said:

Just because some people seem to think these are good points instead of what they are: terrible points, let’s take a look.

 

Paul Pelosi called 911 before he was assaulted? How suspicious!

You wake up at 2:30am to a stranger in the house, what do you do? Apparently call 911 is the wrong answer. Maybe just sit there and see where it goes?

 

Paul Pelosi answered the door while wrestling a hammer with the assailant?

Pelosi opened the door with one hand while keeping the other hand on the hammer the assailant was holding. This is suspicious because… reasons!

 

The broken glass is outside the house?!

The broken glass is both inside and outside of the house. Which is to be expected with someone trying to break laminated glass. 

Pelosi ran back to the intruder!

No he didn’t. He was in the foyer when the police arrived. He was wrestling the assailant for control of the hammer and was able to open the door with one arm. 
 

This embarrassing insanity of completely ludicrous and improbable conspiracy has already been debunked but I guess it’s always feelings over facts over here. 

2 different NBC reports disagree…because of body cam evidence…

 

 

Edited November 21, 2022 by JaCrispy

[ChiGoose]

3 hours ago, JaCrispy said:

2 different NBC reports disagree…because of body cam evidence…

 

 

 

I encourage you to actually read the DoJ filings.

 

In the meantime, all of this is pretty consistent with an attack on the Pelosi house when Nancy was away and security was probably lighter than usual. We have officers saying either they opened the door or the door was opened. We have DePape himself stating that Pelosi opened the door with one arm while fighting him for the hammer with the other. We have consistent testimony that both Pelosi and DePape were in the foyer (so right by the door) and that when the police entered the picture, thety were wrestling over the hammer and then there was a brief conversation before Pelosi was attacked.

 

I'm just going to take a second to point out that I nailed the Sussman trial prediction just by looking at the filings, and I can tell you that it is incredibly unlikely that DePape was someone known to the Pelosi's (and definitely not in a romantic relationship with either of them). The facts of this case support the simplest explanation: he was a crazy person who wanted to hurt Nancy Pelosi.

[Tiberius]

 

[BillsFanNC]

 

[Chef Jim]

On 12/5/2022 at 3:42 AM, Tiberius said:

 

I actually think that’s Michael Jackson. 🤷🏻‍♂️