Adding a RB

[Bills]

Keep Singletary as the lead back (he's earned it). Bring in someone on the cheap as a good change of pace back for the year. My vote is for D'Ernest Johnson or Alexander Mattison. Begin incorporating Cook more next year. Get rid of Moss. 

[Rock-A-Bye Beasley]

Gibson would be cool. But duke johnson is just sitting on PS

[Solomon Grundy]

1 hour ago, Big Turk said:

What is the obsession with adding RBs when Singletary is playing perfectly fine?  Is this like a Fred Jackson thing?  Every year there is someone they are trying to replace him with?

What happens if Motor gets injured? Moss/Cook/Duke? If Duke, can we get him some game action

Edited October 21, 2022 by Solomon Grundy

[Jauronimo]

1 minute ago, Solomon Grundy said:

What happens if Motor gets injured? Moss/Cook/Duke? 

Christian Wade. Don't tell anyone

[Dr. Who]

1 hour ago, Jauronimo said:

A couple of options worth exploring are:

 

1.  improving interior offensive line

2. improving interior offensive line

3. improving interior offensive line

4. improving right tackle

5. improving interior offensive line

Won't really be available most likely, but this is the correct answer.

[Big Turk]

6 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said:

What happens if Motor gets injured? Moss/Cook/Duke? If Duke, can we get him some game action

 

Honestly I think they'd be fine.  Perhaps not quite as good as with Singletary, but fine.  

[DJB]

1 hour ago, Big Turk said:

What is the obsession with adding RBs when Singletary is playing perfectly fine?  Is this like a Fred Jackson thing?  Every year there is someone they are trying to replace him with?

He poses zero threat and teams don’t gameplan for him. We need a RB that can take it to the house and overcome our deficiencies at OL and give us a competent running game 

[BrooklynBills]

Cam Akers if he gets cut is something I'd be interested in as a depth play.

 

 

[Logic]

The only thing that rouses my curiosity from a running back trade market standpoint is this:

Antonio Gibson was a college WR. He had 735 yards and 8 TDs as a senior, averaging 19.3 yards per reception.

For whatever reason, when he got to Washington, they just decided to...NOT use the pass-catching aspect of his game very much. They have used McKissic as the receiving back and sort of pigeonholed Gibson as an early down back. 

Very strange. Borderline personnel usage malpractice.

I'd be curious to see what he could do as a moving chess piece, 3rd down back, slot receiver type player. CMC/Deebo lite. And NO, I am not saying he is as talented as either of those guys. I'm just saying he has a versatility and skillset that should make him a much more moveable, diverse, interesting offensive weapon than the way Washington has used him. He's CERTAINLY better than Zack Moss. He's only 24 years old and posted 1300 yards from scrimmage and 10 TDs just last season.

Considering that he seems to be totally in the doghouse in Washington and could likely be had for very little compensation, and considering McDermott and Beane's relationship with Ron Rivera, I have to think that a trade could be very doable. 

The ONLY hang up I have is that I'm not sure how Gibson fits as far as culture/character goes. If he's a good dude? Trade a late round pick for him and see if he can "become the best version of himself" here. 

P.S. This isn't an anti-Singletary thread. Singletary would continue to be the starter. Every team needs good depth, injuries happen, and as I mentioned, Gibson could have a specialized role in the offense, different than Motor's.

Edited October 21, 2022 by Logic

[gotme365]

1 hour ago, Jauronimo said:

A couple of options worth exploring are:

 

1.  improving interior offensive line

2. improving interior offensive line

3. improving interior offensive line

4. improving right tackle

5. improving interior offensive line

Couldn’t agree more.

[Rigotz]

Anybody who even a little bit knows football knows that Devin Singletary is not the problem.

 

The problem is our interior o-line and the complete lack of depth behind Singletary. 

 

Specifically, we need a power rusher who can complement Singletary in short yardage situations.

 

Those are not hard to find and I'd be fine with either trading Moss for one, or giving up a late round pick for one. 

[RyanC883]

1 hour ago, Big Turk said:

What is the obsession with adding RBs when Singletary is playing perfectly fine?  Is this like a Fred Jackson thing?  Every year there is someone they are trying to replace him with?

 

A good point. 

 

For me the issue is twofold: (1) Singletary gets injured, we are screwed, Moss is inactive some games, Cook is playing like a rookie and has yet to show he can handle a game; (2) Singletary is a FA after this year and likely pricing himself out of Buffalo, so if we can get Singletary a complement that is on a rookie or low cost contract, we have a RB for next year and don't need to burn a pick on a proven back.  

 

I'm also all for interior OL.  

[Jauronimo]

Just now, DJB said:

He poses zero threat and teams don’t gameplan for him. We need a RB that can take it to the house and overcome our deficiencies at OL and give us a competent running game 

We need our run game to reliably be able to get one yard when everyone knows we're running and a run game that can keep defenses honest.  Thats it.  Thats all we need out of the run game to win a super bowl this year.  

 

A home run threat at RB is a luxury.  Pretty sure thats what Cook is supposed to be and we don't use him yet.  

 

I don't think there are too many backs in the league today who truly make up for bad line play.  Even guys like Saquon disappeared for a few years behind a trash Oline in NY.  Bad WB play didnt help.

[US Egg]

25 minutes ago, gonzo1105 said:

 

No what you said was that no RB will get overworked as long as Josh Allen is here. That's not correct just because he's not running the ball 20 times a game like Barkley doesn't mean a 5'6 running back taking on 250-300 pound men all day in pass pro is a walk in the park or running routes is easy at top speed. 

RB’s do take a pounding. Maybe why it is the most injured player position, so yes, the more Singletary plays, the more he risks injury.

 

 

[Big Turk]

9 minutes ago, DJB said:

He poses zero threat and teams don’t gameplan for him. We need a RB that can take it to the house and overcome our deficiencies at OL and give us a competent running game 

 

Not sure where you come from, but 4.7 yards a carry is pretty good where I come from.  That's quite competent, IMO.  

 

The run game is not something we really are going to put a lot into. We are a passing team. It's OK. Really.

 

Edited October 21, 2022 by Big Turk

[BananaB]

McCaffrey would of been an upgrade. Singletary is still a good RB and I don’t see anyone other available RB that would be an upgrade over him

Edited October 21, 2022 by BananaB

[Big Turk]

3 minutes ago, Jauronimo said:

We need our run game to reliably be able to get one yard when everyone knows we're running and a run game that can keep defenses honest.  Thats it.  Thats all we need out of the run game to win a super bowl this year.  

 

A home run threat at RB is a luxury.  Pretty sure thats what Cook is supposed to be and we don't use him yet.  

 

I don't think there are too many backs in the league today who truly make up for bad line play.  Even guys like Saquon disappeared for a few years behind a trash Oline in NY.  Bad WB play didnt help.

 

Then they should stop lining up with tight formations and trying to go power because they are NOT good at it.  

 

Go spread and do some version of a pin and pull run and they will be far more successful at it.

 

Why bring more people to the box when you struggle as it is with the normal number of defenders?

[Rock-A-Bye Beasley]

For those of you saying improve IOL, can I interest you in former Kromer guy, Austin Corbett?

[Buffalo Junction]

1 hour ago, Bleeding Bills Blue said:

Still have Moss, Cook, Duke.

 

Each would cost a lot less than McCaffrey.  Can throw in Akers too, even if his stats have been traditionally pretty terrible. 

 

• Gibson - Fast which is a plus.  The minus is his YPC has gone down every year since his rookie year and he got benched for a rookie the first chance they got.  Something amiss here.
• Montgomery - Sure handed, sort of boring.  Ran a 4.63 so... are we just trading for a Zack Moss who gets more touches?
• Robinson - Also a 4.6+ guy.  Sure handed.  I'm not sure he's on the block though.   The jag's arent out of the division race by any means, hell there the only team in that division that has scored more points than they've given up.  Had the Achilles injury a year ago so he's probably a good fit for a timeshare.    
• Akers - Meh, guy doesn't really pop to me.  2.6 yards per carry last year in the playoffs? Yuck.  

 

I would be.  

I’d swap Moss for Montgomery in a heartbeat. He’s a powerback with excellent contact balance and good vision that’s averaged 3.9 yards behind the most anemic Oline in the league and no passing attack to move safeties out of the box. Be a great compliment to Singletary and Cook. 

[Eastport bills]

1 hour ago, Stokes84 said:

Now that McCaffrey is off the market, I think it’s time to get serious about adding a RB.  A lot of people think it’s about replacing or upgrading Singletary, but to me, it’s about making sure we have the horses to win a game like we lost vs. New England last year. If we lose in the playoffs because the wind is gusting 50 mph in January and we can’t pass the ball, we are going to be kicking ourselves for not bolstering this position.  
 

A couple of options that might be worth exploring:

 

Antonio Gibson

David Montgomery

James Robinson

 

I think each could be available for a mid-round pick, and imo it would be totally worth it.

I’d like to see a little more from Cook and Moss before committing to another RB. Motor looked great against KC and Dorsey is constructing an offense that uses a lot of underneath throws and bubble screens as an alternative running game. I’d rather use draft capital on depth in the defensive backfield.