leh-nerd skin-erd Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 1 minute ago, Tiberius said: Not at all, but throwing money at a problem that will just come back again and again makes no sense. You want to live in Florida, fine, but not on my dime. It’s not your dime, Tibs. It’s our collective dime. In fact, with this heartless approach of yours, we certainly know that other public funding options cannot be far behind. Soon, you’ll be slashing benefits to those less fortunate than you. You cold b@stard. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted October 3, 2022 Author Share Posted October 3, 2022 1 minute ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: It’s not your dime, Tibs. It’s our collective dime. In fact, with this heartless approach of yours, we certainly know that other public funding options cannot be far behind. Soon, you’ll be slashing benefits to those less fortunate than you. You cold b@stard. They can go live somewhere else. That's not heartless, it's just good common sense Probably will save lives. How many are dead in Florida now? And you want to subsidize more people living there? How many must die for you to realize this is not a good idea? Just kill them all, why don't you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 Just now, Tiberius said: They can go live somewhere else. That's not heartless, it's just good common sense Probably will save lives. How many are dead in Florida now? And you want to subsidize more people living there? How many must die for you to realize this is not a good idea? Just kill them all, why don't you? You’re grossly intolerant these days, and your contempt for Florida is telling. People on public assistance can move to areas with better job prospects, and folks on social security can get back to work, or learn to live with less. You know this and these programs are probably on your wish list to cut. I would think the money Biden has earmarked for bailing out $125000ionaires could go to help Florida—and you conveniently forgot Georgia South Carolina North Carolina and the rest of the east coast. Besides, while tragic, the byproduct of the hurricane will be a massive infusion of capital—public and private, and offer employment opportunities to tens of thousands of individuals willing to work. They call that a stimulus in the public sector Playa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted October 3, 2022 Author Share Posted October 3, 2022 Just now, leh-nerd skin-erd said: You’re grossly intolerant these days, and your contempt for Florida is telling. People on public assistance can move to areas with better job prospects, and folks on social security can get back to work, or learn to live with less. You know this and these programs are probably on your wish list to cut. I would think the money Biden has earmarked for bailing out $125000ionaires could go to help Florida—and you conveniently forgot Georgia South Carolina North Carolina and the rest of the east coast. Besides, while tragic, the byproduct of the hurricane will be a massive infusion of capital—public and private, and offer employment opportunities to tens of thousands of individuals willing to work. They call that a stimulus in the public sector Playa. Federal money should not go to luring people to their deaths in Florida. How many are dead already?? Isn't that enough? The human thing to do is let the insurance market work naturally. Those who want to live in a dangerous, high risk state like that should have the money to pay those rates. Try and think humanly. Do the right thing, not the politically short term way that gets people killed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 4 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Federal money should not go to luring people to their deaths in Florida. How many are dead already?? Isn't that enough? The human thing to do is let the insurance market work naturally. Those who want to live in a dangerous, high risk state like that should have the money to pay those rates. Try and think humanly. Do the right thing, not the politically short term way that gets people killed How many people will die in car crashes, Tibs, yet we dump massive amounts of federal money into roads where they deaths occur on an hourly basis? Floridians pay taxes to the federal government and are stakeholders in the game, and in some cases that dwarves what people in NY and other blue states that receive tremendous benefits. It’s not a matter of thinking humanly, it’s a matter of thinking at all! Plus I have a house in Florida, so, you know, there’s that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sherpa Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 8 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Federal money should not go to luring people to their deaths in Florida. How many are dead already?? Isn't that enough? The human thing to do is let the insurance market work naturally. Those who want to live in a dangerous, high risk state like that should have the money to pay those rates. Try and think humanly. Do the right thing, not the politically short term way that gets people killed So instead, we fail to enforce our borders and lure them to Texas, California and Florida, instead of insisting they solve their own government problems for their long term success. Oh ya. Those folks are "fleeing for their lives," or seeking "political asylum, " though they haven't gone through the process of applying for it. By the way, do you understand the use of the words "humane," and "humanely," vs. the words "human" and "humanly." 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 3 minutes ago, sherpa said: So instead, we fail to enforce our borders and lure them to Texas, California and Florida, instead of insisting they solve their own government problems for their long term success. Oh ya. Those folks are "fleeing for their lives," or seeking "political asylum, " though they haven't gone through the process of applying for it. By the way, do you understand the use of the words "humane," and "humanely," vs. the words "human" and "humanly." To a certain extent, in order to exchange ideas, we must accept phrases like “humanly” from time to time. In the alternative, as Tibs always says, we spend so much time with the explainification of our thoughtishness that we end up wastifying alot of time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted October 3, 2022 Author Share Posted October 3, 2022 38 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: 1)How many people will die in car crashes, Tibs, yet we dump massive amounts of federal money into roads where they deaths occur on an hourly basis? 2) Floridians pay taxes to the federal government and are stakeholders in the game, and in some cases that dwarves what people in NY and other blue states that receive tremendous benefits. 3) It’s not a matter of thinking humanly, it’s a matter of thinking at all! Plus I have a house in Florida, so, you know, there’s that. 1) Roads save more lives that are actually killed in driving. So your example is not so good. 2) We all pay taxes, that doesn't give us the right to demand more to insure our risky behaviours! 3) Subsidizing people to live in hazardous ares is not rational thinking. 4) Well, we like your house and will make a special exception for you. Ok? 37 minutes ago, sherpa said: So instead, we fail to enforce our borders and lure them to Texas, California and Florida, instead of insisting they solve their own government problems for their long term success. Oh ya. Those folks are "fleeing for their lives," or seeking "political asylum, " though they haven't gone through the process of applying for it. By the way, do you understand the use of the words "humane," and "humanely," vs. the words "human" and "humanly." The only thing "luring" people to the boarder is our economic engine that is such a jobs machine. The best way for you clowns to shut off immigration is for you guys to stage a coup and ruin democracy and freedom. Economies don't run as well without government oversight and input from the people--through government(Oh please jump like a ***** into that one!) Oh wait, you guys tried that on Jan 6, I almost forgot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sherpa Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 9 minutes ago, Tiberius said: 1) Roads save more lives that are actually killed in driving. So your example is not so good. 2) We all pay taxes, that doesn't give us the right to demand more to insure our risky behaviours! 3) Subsidizing people to live in hazardous ares is not rational thinking. 4) Well, we like your house and will make a special exception for you. Ok? The only thing "luring" people to the boarder is our economic engine that is such a jobs machine. The best way for you clowns to shut off immigration is for you guys to stage a coup and ruin democracy and freedom. Economies don't run as well without government oversight and input from the people--through government(Oh please jump like a ***** into that one!) Oh wait, you guys tried that on Jan 6, I almost forgot Major whiff again. I am not part of anything related to January 6th, nor Trump. The best way to shut down illegal immigration is to enforce existing laws instead of turning the issue into a political game, and to support efforts to solve the gross failures of the governments that eject their people onto our taxpayers. I'm not "you guys." Your knowledge is lacking. Your judgement is bad. Your posts are ridiculous. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpberr Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 1 hour ago, Tiberius said: Not at all, but throwing money at a problem that will just come back again and again makes no sense. You want to live in Florida, fine, but not on my dime. We have rare opportunities to agree, but on this one I agree with you. After Katrina and Sandy, the federal government should have stopped insuring residential property that is in 100-year floodplains and well-documented 100-year storm surge areas. If somebody wants to privately insure those, go for it. I know that is crippling to places like New Orleans and coastline, but how many times have the taxpayers rebuilt homes in these areas? How many people have died because they stayed in homes in these areas? I've always found the "it's climate change!" argument ironic because whenever there is money to be made, we all keep building homes in deserts, in floodplains, etc. and we never revise the rules to prohibit it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 9 minutes ago, Tiberius said: 1) Roads save more lives that are actually killed in driving. So your example is not so good. You’re not making sense. The number of people that died during the most recent hurricane is dwarfed by the number of people who contribute to their greater good. Icy roads take almost 2,000 lives per year, and nearly 150k are injured every year. The numbers aren’t even close based on your standards, so it’s gotta be just that you’re a heartless person who doesn’t want to part with any of his money. 9 minutes ago, Tiberius said: 2) We all pay taxes, that doesn't give us the right to demand more to insure our risky behaviours! We’re a community of citizens, Tibs. You’re with us or against us. 9 minutes ago, Tiberius said: 3) Subsidizing people to live in hazardous ares is not rational thinking. Again, this makes no sense. NYC, Chicago, LA, California with earthquakes, cold winters throughout the Midwest all present hazards. 9 minutes ago, Tiberius said: 4) Well, we like your house and will make a special exception for you. Ok? I don’t need the assistance Tibs, and God willing I won’t. 9 minutes ago, Tiberius said: The only thing "luring" people to the boarder is our economic engine that is such a jobs machine. The best way for you clowns to shut off immigration is for you guys to stage a coup and ruin democracy and freedom. Economies don't run as well without government oversight and input from the people--through government(Oh please jump like a ***** into that one!) Oh wait, you guys tried that on Jan 6, I almost forgot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted October 3, 2022 Author Share Posted October 3, 2022 2 minutes ago, sherpa said: Major whiff again. I am not part of anything related to January 6th, nor Trump. The best way to shut down illegal immigration is to enforce existing laws instead of turning the issue into a political game, and to support efforts to solve the gross failures of the governments that eject their people onto our taxpayers. I'm not "you guys." Your knowledge is lacking. Your judgement is bad. Your posts are ridiculous. What existing laws are not being enforced? Big laugh at your little sophomoric temper tantrum at the end there. reminded me a a little girl sixth grade girl 2 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: You’re not making sense. The number of people that died during the most recent hurricane is dwarfed by the number of people who contribute to their greater good. Icy roads take almost 2,000 lives per year, and nearly 150k are injured every year. The numbers aren’t even close based on your standards, so it’s gotta be just that you’re a heartless person who doesn’t want to part with any of his money. We’re a community of citizens, Tibs. You’re with us or against us. Again, this makes no sense. NYC, Chicago, LA, California with earthquakes, cold winters throughout the Midwest all present hazards. I don’t need the assistance Tibs, and God willing I won’t. No, your comparison of roads to federally subsidizing insurance is what makes no sense. Roads are vital necessity, subsidized insurance in dangerous areas are not. That should end that argument. 4 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: We’re a community of citizens, Tibs. You’re with us or against us. But that doesn't mean we should subsidize insurance in hurricane land Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted October 3, 2022 Author Share Posted October 3, 2022 5 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: Again, this makes no sense. NYC, Chicago, LA, California with earthquakes, cold winters throughout the Midwest all present hazards. Not sure what your point is here 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 3 minutes ago, dpberr said: We have rare opportunities to agree, but on this one I agree with you. After Katrina and Sandy, the federal government should have stopped insuring residential property that is in 100-year floodplains and well-documented 100-year storm surge areas. If somebody wants to privately insure those, go for it. I know that is crippling to places like New Orleans and coastline, but how many times have the taxpayers rebuilt homes in these areas? How many people have died because they stayed in homes in these areas? I've always found the "it's climate change!" argument ironic because whenever there is money to be made, we all keep building homes in deserts, in floodplains, etc. and we never revise the rules to prohibit it. Again though, why? The reality is the federal government owns the federal flood program. The decision-making, who gets what, when and for how much. Decisions made by individuals and financial institutions were/are made on the conditions of the program. I suppose they could offer federal forgiveness of mortgages for individuals who relied on the program, but that gets pricey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, B-Man said: It's not even a true picture. "Bends the knee"? The left can't do anything, meme or otherwise, without removing context. Edited October 3, 2022 by Doc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 2 hours ago, Tiberius said: They can go live somewhere else. That's not heartless, it's just good common sense Probably will save lives. How many are dead in Florida now? And you want to subsidize more people living there? How many must die for you to realize this is not a good idea? Just kill them all, why don't you? You’re becoming more unhinged by the day Tibs. Step away from the keyboard and go outside! This isn’t healthy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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sherpa Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Tiberius said: What existing laws are not being enforced? Do you live in some uninformed vacuum? Are you even aware of existing law and the non enforcement? Here's one clue, because I'm not going to do your homework for you. The void between what you know and what is real is too great for a volunteer poster to spend time on Not just the immigration thing, but on so many levels. Post 9-11, the US INS Service reported that there two million individuals that had overextended their student visas and were unaccounted for. Two million........And that's just student visas. We are absolutely not enforcing immigration law. and to suggest that we are is lunacy. Edited October 3, 2022 by sherpa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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wnyguy Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 6 minutes ago, sherpa said: Post 9-11, the US INS Service reported that there two million individuals that had overextended their visas and were unaccounted for. Two million. And they all voted for Biden 2 or 3 times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beach Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 1 hour ago, Tiberius said: 2) We all pay taxes, that doesn't give us the right to demand more to insure our risky behaviours! behaviours? thats not American spelling, where are u from? 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpberr Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 1 hour ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: Again though, why? The reality is the federal government owns the federal flood program. The decision-making, who gets what, when and for how much. Decisions made by individuals and financial institutions were/are made on the conditions of the program. I suppose they could offer federal forgiveness of mortgages for individuals who relied on the program, but that gets pricey. The federal flood insurance program was broke back in 2010. It's now *super* broke. The reason is Congress doesn't allow FEMA to raise rates on repetitive loss properties or buy them out. It's not for a lack of trying - FEMA was set to jack the rates up to equal the risk in 2012, and Congress stepped in and stopped it. The problem is that owners of repetitive loss properties do not pay for the risk of having a property in a floodplain or flood-prone area. They keep receiving cheap flood insurance even if their house has been destroyed ten times by flooding. I'm not suggesting the government ban people from living in these areas, but it is fair for them to pay what the risk demands or have the government have the opportunity to buy the property. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted October 3, 2022 Author Share Posted October 3, 2022 57 minutes ago, sherpa said: Do you live in some uninformed vacuum? Are you even aware of existing law and the non enforcement? Here's one clue, because I'm not going to do your homework for you. The void between what you know and what is real is too great for a volunteer poster to spend time on Not just the immigration thing, but on so many levels. Post 9-11, the US INS Service reported that there two million individuals that had overextended their student visas and were unaccounted for. Two million........And that's just student visas. We are absolutely not enforcing immigration law. and to suggest that we are is lunacy. So you want to hurt this people, correct? You want them rounded up and shipped back to where they escaped from, correct? Get those darn students! Hurt them! You are sick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 7 minutes ago, dpberr said: The federal flood insurance program was broke back in 2010. It's now *super* broke. The reason is Congress doesn't allow FEMA to raise rates on repetitive loss properties or buy them out. It's not for a lack of trying - FEMA was set to jack the rates up to equal the risk in 2012, and Congress stepped in and stopped it. The problem is that owners of repetitive loss properties do not pay for the risk of having a property in a floodplain or flood-prone area. They keep receiving cheap flood insurance even if their house has been destroyed ten times by flooding. I'm not suggesting the government ban people from living in these areas, but it is fair for them to pay what the risk demands or have the government have the opportunity to buy the property. Sure, there are problems with the federal program because it's handled politically. The same scenario applies to Medicare, and Social Security. Government pensions and benefits are are not adequately funded, are borne by all Americans and benefit the select few, relatively speaking. Then there's this sort of thing: https://www.csus.edu/indiv/k/kusnickj/honors/northridge.html#:~:text=The United States government declared,in to assist in recovery. Local Response The United States government declared the Northridge earthquake a national disaster. $11,000,000,000 federal assistance was sent to the Los Angeles and Ventura counties.* The Federal Emergency Management System (FEMA) sent personnel in to assist in recovery. National Earthquake Hazards Reduction Program (NEHRP) agencies were put in charge of helping in long-term recovery. (FEMA, USGS, National Science Foundation, National Institute of Standards and Technology). *$23,000,000 +/- when adjusted for inflation Why the special treatment for the poor folks on the East Coast? This is a federal program and should be fixed by the feds. Match risk with pricing, I'm all for it. But suggesting the feds abandon a program they designed and created would be devastating to the economy. An alternative might be to privatize the program, let the free market figure it out, but even then, the inherent nature of government seems to be to completely ignore the math associated with risk and reward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Doc Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 1 hour ago, sherpa said: Do you live in some uninformed vacuum? Are you even aware of existing law and the non enforcement? Here's one clue, because I'm not going to do your homework for you. The void between what you know and what is real is too great for a volunteer poster to spend time on Not just the immigration thing, but on so many levels. Post 9-11, the US INS Service reported that there two million individuals that had overextended their student visas and were unaccounted for. Two million........And that's just student visas. We are absolutely not enforcing immigration law. and to suggest that we are is lunacy. Obviously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sherpa Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 1 hour ago, Tiberius said: So you want to hurt this people, correct? You want them rounded up and shipped back to where they escaped from, correct? Get those darn students! Hurt them! You are sick Ya. That's it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted October 4, 2022 Share Posted October 4, 2022 Xi Q DeSantis campaign put a photo-op over people trying to help victims of hurricane… #MAGApriorities 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted October 4, 2022 Share Posted October 4, 2022 Whatever you do Ron… do NOT get in an airplane. And if you find yourself in one do NOT look out the damn window!!! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoudyBills Posted October 4, 2022 Share Posted October 4, 2022 2 hours ago, BillStime said: Xi Q DeSantis campaign put a photo-op over people trying to help victims of hurricane… #MAGApriorities Yeah, Dems never do this stuff. When does the war start? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted October 4, 2022 Share Posted October 4, 2022 8 hours ago, CoudyBills said: Yeah, Dems never do this stuff. When does the war start? No photos, he doesn’t care. Photos, he’s an attention *****. Can you imagine the outrage if Biden didn’t visit the southern border and the humanitarian tragedy down th——oh, wait. Never mind. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted October 4, 2022 Author Share Posted October 4, 2022 14 hours ago, sherpa said: Ya. That's it. Well, what is it you want to do with these 2 million people? We have a worker shortage as it is, mass deportation would really hurt the economy, not to mention hurting those you want rounded up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanNC Posted October 4, 2022 Share Posted October 4, 2022 1 hour ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: No photos, he doesn’t care. Photos, he’s an attention *****. And it's Trump's fault either way 1 hour ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: Can you imagine the outrage if Biden didn’t visit the southern border and the humanitarian tragedy down th——oh, wait. Never mind. Again, Trump's fault. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted October 4, 2022 Share Posted October 4, 2022 Too early for a DeSantis follies thread? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted October 4, 2022 Share Posted October 4, 2022 I guess he must be doing well, if they can't think of anything worthwhile to mention... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted October 4, 2022 Share Posted October 4, 2022 JFC - welcome to the Peoples Republik of Florida Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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BillStime Posted October 4, 2022 Share Posted October 4, 2022 8 minutes ago, B-Man said: But he did pause operations right? That is fact, right Bonnie? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sherpa Posted October 4, 2022 Share Posted October 4, 2022 3 hours ago, Tiberius said: Well, what is it you want to do with these 2 million people? We have a worker shortage as it is, mass deportation would really hurt the economy, not to mention hurting those you want rounded up I think you have a significant problem processing information that you read. That problem leads to really bizarre speculations, premises and conclusions. I pointed out that after 9-11, the Immigration and Naturalization folks, when asked about how these folks got in the country, pointed out to us that the system had no idea where two million kids on student visas were, as there was no record of them abiding by the visas and leaving. That is one small snapshot of how poor this issue is managed. That is just student visas. I can tell that you have no idea of the many visa programs that the US has in place, but that is just one of them. From that, you conclude that I want them "rounded up," "hurt," and "shipped back to where they escaped from." Those are your words. They didn't "escape." They were grated student visas for the purpose of study. It is taking too much time to reply to your weird suppositions and obvious lack of knowledge than is worth the effort. I'm not sure you're aware of it, (actually I am), but whatever cause/viewpoint you may be promoting is suffering from your "stuff." To be more clear, you are a net negative to your causes, and not by a small margin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted October 4, 2022 Author Share Posted October 4, 2022 7 minutes ago, sherpa said: I think you have a significant problem processing information that you read. That problem leads to really bizarre speculations, premises and conclusions. I pointed out that after 9-11, the Immigration and Naturalization folks, when asked about how these folks got in the country, pointed out to us that the system had no idea where two million kids on student visas were, as there was no record of them abiding by the visas and leaving. That is one small snapshot of how poor this issue is managed. That is just student visas. I can tell that you have no idea of the many visa programs that the US has in place, but that is just one of them. From that, you conclude that I want them "rounded up," "hurt," and "shipped back to where they escaped from." Those are your words. They didn't "escape." They were grated student visas for the purpose of study. It is taking too much time to reply to your weird suppositions and obvious lack of knowledge than is worth the effort. I'm not sure you're aware of it, (actually I am), but whatever cause/viewpoint you may be promoting is suffering from your "stuff." To be more clear, you are a net negative to your causes, and not by a small margin. You were complaining about 2 million "illegal people" running around. I asked what was to be done? You couldn't answer. So what are you complaing about. I bet when Trump was president and the GOP had both houses you didn't pull on your short hairs of them not "taking care" of the immigrants Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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