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25 minutes ago, Scott7975 said:

 

There was a study that showed running Qbs dont get hurt anymore than pocket QBs.  Its an older study but QBs get hurt more in the pocket because alot of hits in the pocket are blind and the QBs are planted trying to throw the football.  When running they can protect themselves more because they can see it coming.

That's probably true, but when the QB in questions run 10-15 times a game and rarely slides, I think those stats go out the window... 

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2 minutes ago, Tenhigh said:

I believe he tore that rotator cuff diving for a tackle after he was picked off, not while he was scrambling or on a designed run.    

     Cam beat the hell out of his body, especially in the 2015 season. Again, we are talking about an accumulation of hits. 
    Also, the news report was dripping with the “ Cam is a tough guy who can take it” BS that some on here are espousing about Josh. 
    Physical trauma is what it is. 
    My opinion, when you have a guy who can throw like Josh, you should use him as a passer. I understand he has to scramble and run SOMETIMES. 
    I don’t believe if you took away three or four of his carry’s yesterday and gave them to the backs or McKenzie on a sweep , that we don’t still win the game decisively.

    I personally don’t want to see him carry the ball, by design as much…..especially with a big lead.

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The easiest thing is to say stop running Allen you’re going to shorten his career

 

But every single player is different.. Just because Cam Newton got beat up doesn’t mean he will… Statistically the worst quarterback injuries come inside the pocket

 

Now for the actual football reason why you don’t

 

Josh Allen’s actual dual threat ability makes his entire game much better… And nearly impossible to defend

 

When he starts running in the first quarter, Defenses can’t pin their ears back… When hes pulling the read option in the first quarter you need to contain not rush 

 

That literally gives him more time in the pocket… Then the defense has to spy him… That leaves one less person in coverage or one less pass rusher

 

When Josh is running he’s tiring out the defensive line… The bills substitute their line every drive to keep players fresh.. 85% of the league doesn’t… That means Josh is wearing the line out

 

That makes our pass blocking more effective, the run blocking more effective and Josh more effective 

 

Joshs running ability also keeps teams out of heavy man… If you’re just gonna sit in press man, He’s going to take off between the tackles for a first down when your back is turned 

 

If you’re not running Josh early, And making the other team respect his ability … They will be able to pin off on him… Especially since we don’t pass block the greatest still

 

Joshes quick release and ability to extend plays Makes the pass blocking look better also 

 

Josh is a unicorn.. There’s never been a player like him.. You can’t turn a unicorn into Matt Ryan… You need to let him stay a unicorn

 

He’s personally jumping through Bobby Wagner into the end zone… You’re not taking that side out of him

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2 hours ago, Nextmanup said:

I disagree with this "he's going to get hurt" thing from fans.  Why?  He's 6'6 and 240 lbs... and can take linebackers for a ride.

 

Why aren't you worried about Matt Milano getting hurt with all the running and thumping he does?  Josh is a LOT bigger!
 

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Because if Matt Milano gets injured, our season is not down the tubes

 

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2 hours ago, PrimeTime101 said:

Many of those runs were by choice. A couple of those were good licks... Josh stood up and smiled... EVERY TIME!

 

Its like he needed to be hit...

 

im not worried

we talked about (Its like he needed to be hit...) last night during the game- he goes from sugar high josh to in control after some contact

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His running is a valuable part of our offense, but it needs to be used more judiciously and JA has to be more conscious of the situation

 

Up by 3 TD's late in the game no way no matter what

 

Fighting for an extra yard on 3rd or 4th down to get a 1st down - Yes

 

Fighting for an extra yard to make it 2nd and 7 versus 2nd and 9. Just go down and move on to the next play

 

 

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16 minutes ago, mannc said:

That's probably true, but when the QB in questions run 10-15 times a game and rarely slides, I think those stats go out the window... 

Those stats are true over 100 years of football

 

In the pocket your stationary getting hit by 300 pound behemoths

 

Outside the pocket you’re getting hit by cornerbacks and safeties, And linebackers that Josh is bigger than

 

he’s not flutie running around… He’s literally the biggest alpha male on the field

 

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7 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

Those stats are true over 100 years of football

 

In the pocket your stationary getting hit by 300 pound behemoths

 

Outside the pocket you’re getting hit by cornerbacks and safeties, And linebackers that Josh is bigger than

 

he’s not flutie running around… He’s literally the biggest alpha male on the field

 

So was Cam Newton...

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1 minute ago, Buffalo716 said:

Read my post before that where I literally say not every player is the same

 

And I literally say he is not Cam Newton

 

You can’t compare him to Cam because they are not the same

By that rationale, the study you cite is useless as well, because “every player is different.”  So which is it?

 

Of course there are a LOT of similarities between Josh and Cam Newton…they may not be identical but the comparison is valid.

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2 hours ago, BIGFOOTspaceman said:

Designed runs for Josh when the Bills are up 3 touchdowns...Hate, hate, HATE IT!  

 

Singletary was averaging 6 freakin' yards per carry and you do designed QB runs and hand off's to Moss.  It's boneheaded.  

Agreed.  Motor has to be the bell cow. He's extremely talented.  Give him 15 -20 carries a game instead of running Josh or Moss/Cook

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Agree 100% it’s not if it’s when he gets injured if they keep running him this much. You draft cooks in 2nd round for a reason. The fumble doesn’t mean anything. Give your most talented players the ball. 

9 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

Read my post before that where I literally say not every player is the same

 

And I literally say he is not Cam Newton

 

You can’t compare him to Cam because they are not the same

They’re almost identical in size and strength lol 

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3 minutes ago, mannc said:

By that rationale, the study you cite is useless as well, because “every player is different.”  So which is it?

 

Of course there are a LOT of similarities between Josh and Cam Newton…they may not be identical but the comparison is valid.

They are two different points… Sure physically they might look comparable

 

But every single player takes hits differently… Every player recovers at a different rate… And every player trains their body differently

 

But statistically most quarterback get hurt inside the pocket… It doesn’t matter if you’re small big jacked or chubby… You’re getting hit in a worse position by bigger people

 

 

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As others have said he calls his own number.

 

He likes the physical aspect of football. It's part of the reason why he is so great, but also needs to do a better job protecting himself. I believe someone said Devin mentioned Josh laughing and smiling after the runs. He loves it! Being a Wyoming grad, and now following him with buffalo, this has always been the case. They tried to get him to slide at Wyoming too. He just hates it.

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7 minutes ago, Awwufelloff said:

Agree 100% it’s not if it’s when he gets injured if they keep running him this much. You draft cooks in 2nd round for a reason. The fumble doesn’t mean anything. Give your most talented players the ball. 

They’re almost identical in size and strength lol 

Not every 6 foot 5 240 pound person is equal? 
 

That’s pretty simple

 

Just because cam broke down doesn’t mean Josh will … Most running backs break down before 30

 

Curtis Martin led the league in rushing at 31… Players are different

 

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3 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

They are two different points… Sure physically they might look comparable

 

But every single player takes hits differently… Every player recovers at a different rate… And every player trains their body differently

 

But statistically most quarterback get hurt inside the pocket… It doesn’t matter if you’re small big jacked or chubby… You’re getting hit in a worse position by bigger people

 

 

I don't disagree, but it doesn't mean there is zero risk associated with running outside the pocket, and that risk goes up with each carry.  When a QB turns himself into a running back 10-15 times/game, the risk of injury goes up.  Don't think opposing LBs won't want to give Josh a little extra, and when he runs like that, he loses the protection that comes with being a quarterback in the pocket; he's just another ball carrier.  And of course, Josh is not immune from being hit in the pocket too; it's not an either/or; he's going to take both kinds of hits over the course of a season. 

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