Logic Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 22 minutes ago, Rigby said: Terry Bradshaw Ken Stabler Joe Namath Most of the Cowboys 'legends' This. Take him off that Steelers team with the Steel Curtain carrying him to the Super Bowl every year. Put him on any run of the mill team from those years. Give him the same exact stats otherwise. He wouldn't make the Hall of Fame. 51% Career completion percentage. 212 TDs, 210 INTs. Yes, I realize it was a totally different era in terms of QB stats and expectations. Don't care. Bradshaw was lucky to be the quarterback/care taker on a team with a Hall of Fame defense and head coach. Totally overrated, and a total blowhard to boot. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIGFOOTspaceman Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 2 hours ago, Max Fischer said: If by "next to nothing" you mean Bo Jackson was practically unstoppable when carrying the ball. He wasn't that good of a baseball player either 3 hours ago, Big Turk said: You are missing the context of why tho which is important. He also played baseball full time for the Royals so that meant he wasn't available to play football for the first 5 or 6 weeks most years... He split time with HOF RB Marcus Allen also, so it's not like they were just going to abandon him. Bo averaged 5.4 YPC for his career and 73.2 YPg, which would equate to almost 1200 yards per season if extrapolated to a full 16 games. Overrated? Hardly. Underused and only available 3/4 of the season? Sure. One of the greatest runs I have ever seen came against Seattle on Monday night where he went 90+ for a TD and the Seahawk safety had the angle cut off on him like 30 yards up the field and he just blew by him like he was standing still and he never even got close to making the tackle. Dude might have been the fastest player on a football field of all time. Can't believe the Bo Jackson mention is getting so much push back when there are knuckle heads in here suggesting that Tom Brady and Emmitt Smith are over rated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 4 hours ago, Charles Romes said: You also never saw him unnecessarily lose an inch of yardage by taking ill-advised chances. That’s what made him special. I agree that he plodded forward most of the time. I don’t think that made Emmett “special.” He was good and running downhill and through open holes. He was just a solid back, in my book. Not special in any way. Re those 90s backs, I would take Sanders, Thurman, Allen, Faulk, T Davis, and Bettis all over Emmitt. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 5 hours ago, 4merper4mer said: Who was the greatest prospect in the history of the world, had a traditionally solid team go on a one year tank to take him, had that same team trade away their greatest ever player to pave way for him, got inserted into a division who had a five year run of unmatched ineptitude and still managed to produce average results, playing in just one AFCCG and getting smoked in it, winning his terrible division a few times and choking it away at other times? Oh, and then he retired early. Andrew Luck his twitter feed was epic, however. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 Curtis Martin for me. The same for Emmett as they lasted a long time. I would’ve taken the Thurmonator over Emmett any day of the week. They we’re good, not game changing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBBills Fan Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 3 hours ago, GunnerBill said: No, so why the hell would anyone put him in a more traditional system? A Formula 1 car wouldn't be as good if it was used to do the weekly supermarket run either. So says you. Its the only way I travel to the Supermarket. I drive the mini-van to and from work though, jus to keep the miles down on my F1 car 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 3 hours ago, GunnerBill said: No, so why the hell would anyone put him in a more traditional system? A Formula 1 car wouldn't be as good if it was used to do the weekly supermarket run either. See Dennison's season as OC here to see what is likely to happen. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Gal Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 MIchael Vick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanThru-N-Thru Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 First name that came to mind was Zach Thomas MLB of the Dolphins. He made a lot of plays but to me most seemed like they were 4-5 yds down field. Made Pro Bowl for the amount of tackles but was never a game changer IMO 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted July 21, 2022 Author Share Posted July 21, 2022 1 hour ago, aristocrat said: Fine, Brady is better than Tyrod I'll give you that much Now you are just being facetious because Tyrod isn't even worthy of ever being mentioned in the same anything with Brady. 1 hour ago, BIGFOOTspaceman said: He wasn't that good of a baseball player either Can't believe the Bo Jackson mention is getting so much push back when there are knuckle heads in here suggesting that Tom Brady and Emmitt Smith are over rated. Because he wasn't overrated. He just never played a full season. but when he did play he was amazing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Vader Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 5 hours ago, Bill from NYC said: How about Jim McMahon? I don't think people regard him to be one of the greatest QB's to ever play the game. Therefore he is not overrated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 54 minutes ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said: I agree that he plodded forward most of the time. I don’t think that made Emmett “special.” He was good and running downhill and through open holes. He was just a solid back, in my book. Not special in any way. Re those 90s backs, I would take Sanders, Thurman, Allen, Faulk, T Davis, and Bettis all over Emmitt. Sanders is definitely the best in that era, but I don't know that i take any of the rest of those guys over prime Emmitt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gobills404 Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 This fraud video starts at 2:00 mark 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Fischer Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 1 hour ago, BIGFOOTspaceman said: He wasn't that good of a baseball player either Can't believe the Bo Jackson mention is getting so much push back when there are knuckle heads in here suggesting that Tom Brady and Emmitt Smith are over rated. My fault, I didn't realize you were just a troll. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 9 hours ago, Doc Brown said: William "The Fridge" Perry. Cool nickname. Iconic Super Bowl run on an iconic team. Never made a pro bowl. Only 27.5 sacks in 10 seasons. Joe Namath, Terry Bradshaw, and Troy Aikman if we're going QB's. You ever see Namath play? he absolutely threw one of the best footballs off all time … threw for 4000 yards in 1967 It literally took the bills like 50 years before we had somebody throw for 4000 yards 58 minutes ago, machine gun kelly said: Curtis Martin for me. The same for Emmett as they lasted a long time. I would’ve taken the Thurmonator over Emmett any day of the week. They we’re good, not game changing. 59 minutes ago, machine gun kelly said: Curtis Martin for me. The same for Emmett as they lasted a long time. I would’ve taken the Thurmonator over Emmett any day of the week. They we’re good, not game changing. Emmit Smith led the league in rushing four times… Yards per game three times TDs 3 times , average once… yards from scrimmage twice No matter what way you put it those are absolutely Hall of Fame numbers.. He doesn’t have to be your favorite but he absolutely dominated 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 Walter Payton. Granted, the Bears were boring af until 1985, so I didn’t pay them much mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said: I agree that he plodded forward most of the time. I don’t think that made Emmett “special.” He was good and running downhill and through open holes. He was just a solid back, in my book. Not special in any way. Re those 90s backs, I would take Sanders, Thurman, Allen, Faulk, T Davis, and Bettis all over Emmitt. Bettis never Led the league in rushing ,touchdowns or average… Or yards from scrimmage… 3.9 career Smith led the league in rushing four times, Three times touchdown leader, Average leader, Two-time yards from scrimmage leader Even behind a great line those are asinine numbers.. Do I think Thurman was a better all around back? Yes But emmit has first ballad HoF numbers too … he was far more than really good Edited July 21, 2022 by Buffalo716 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Vader Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 27 minutes ago, BillsFanThru-N-Thru said: First name that came to mind was Zach Thomas MLB of the Dolphins. He made a lot of plays but to me most seemed like they were 4-5 yds down field. Made Pro Bowl for the amount of tackles but was never a game changer IMO He was my first choice as well. I'll never understand how he made so many Pro Bowls. Other overrated players: RB: Ricky Watters, Roger Craig & Jerome Bettis WR: Michael Irvin & Chad Johnson DL: Warren Sapp & John Randle DE: Jason Taylor & Kevin Greene Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 Can’t forget Steve Young either, another great regular season QB…. and of course Peyton Gump (Big Game Chump). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 7 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: You ever see Namath play? he absolutely threw one of the best footballs off all time … threw for 4000 yards in 1967 It literally took the bills like 50 years before we had somebody throw for 4000 yards Emmit Smith led the league in rushing four times… Yards per game three times TDs 3 times , average once… yards from scrimmage twice No matter what way you put it those are absolutely Hall of Fame numbers.. He doesn’t have to be your favorite but he absolutely dominated I agree on Emmitt Smith. He might be a little overrated as a function of his career numbers and maybe he's not the best RB in league history, but on any other competent team that emphasized the inside power running game, I think he's still a likely HOF RB. Maybe he wasn't super fast, but he had no shortage of long runs in his career. He had good short area quickness and his contact balance and strength to break tackles were very much elite. They didn't use him as much as a receiver, but he was pretty good in that role as well, and was the best RB in pass protection I've ever seen. He did benefit from their OL, but I'm not going to fault him for success in favorable circumstances and I'm not sure there was anyone better suited to the type of offense they ran. I'd also have to defend Aikman as well. Yeah, the stat line kinda sucks, but when they needed a play, he consistently made them. He gets labeled as a game manager, which has some truth to it, but he could throw downfield as well as anyone in the league when they asked him to. Best QB in NFL history? No, but again, put him in a competent situation and I think he's probably still a HOFer and, in fact, probably puts up better numbers on most of the playoff teams of the era than he did in Dallas due to their heavy emphasis on Smith and the run in the red zone. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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