Impact of Dobbs and Abortion Laws

[ChiGoose]

Since there are people out there who think that Dobbs v. Jackson Woman's Health Organization will only impact people seeking abortions for unwanted pregnancies, I thought it might be a good idea to see what is actually happening on the ground now that states are passing more restrictive abortion laws.

 

Doctors report compromising care out of fear of Texas abortion law

1. Doctors have postponed care until a patient's health or pregnancy complication had deteriorated to the point that their life was in danger, including being sent home and returning with sepsis

2. Doctors struggled to get nurses or anesthesiologists to assist on procedures when patient qualified for an abortion because of fear of prosecution under abortion law

3. Unsure if they can use standard medical interventions, doctors are using less common or outdated procedures to avoid violating abortion law

4. Hospitals prohibit multifetal reduction that would preserve the health of the pregnancy

5. Woman who received significant fetal diagnosis could not get abortion options from her doctor

6. Patient whose water broke at 19 weeks flew to another state to get treated

 

Have you recently had an abortion? Australian transiting through the US questioned then deported

7. Australian woman detained at US airport and interrogated about whether she was pregnant or had had an abortion

 

Abortion laws spark profound changes in other medical care

8. Patient started to miscarry and developed a dangerous infection, but there was still a heartbeat, so doctors had to wait to treat her, during which time her health deteriorated

9. Multiple women with dangerous pregnancies develop severe complications due to abortions being delayed because of new abortion law

10. Sexual assault victim gets sterilized to avoid the risk of getting pregnant by another rapist

11. OB-GYN sees surge of patients seeking sterilization since the Dobbs decision

12. Woman has six different OB-GYNs decline to sterilize her

13. Lupus patient is told bey her doctor that she can no longer take her medication because it can be used to induce an abortion

 

They Had Miscarriages, and New Abortion Laws Obstructed Treatment

14. Patient who received care for a miscarriage before Texas abortion law, was denied same care for a miscarriage after the abortion law was passed. She is no longer trying to conceive due to the risks

15. Pharmacies are asking for additional documentation or outright denying prescriptions for misoprostol to treat a miscarriage

16. Patients who are denied misoprostol return to their doctors days later still retaining pregnancy tissue or experiencing significant bleeding

17. Miscarriage patients have been turned away by doctors who worry that they may have actually taken abortion pills that did not expel the pregnancy

 

With abortion access on the line in Louisiana, lawyers debate in court if ban is ambiguous

18. Woman's water breaks at 16 weeks and doctors wanted to perform a D&C but their lawyer advised against it. The patient was forced to go through labor for a dead fetus and hemorrhaged nearly a liter of blood.

 

Woman says Texas abortion law prevented her from getting timely miscarriage care

19. Doctor refused to treat woman experiencing miscarriage until she has multiple transvaginal ultrasounds, risking infection. She is no longer trying to get pregnant.

 

Patients head to Indiana for abortion services as other states restrict care

20. 10 year old rape victim has to travel out of state for an abortion

 

Texas hospitals are putting pregnant patients at risk by denying care out of fear of abortion laws, medical group says

21. Afraid of violating the abortion law, several hospitals have turned away pregnant patients or delayed care, leading to complications.

22. Physician was allegedly instructed to not treat an ectopic pregnancy until a rupture occurred, which puts the patient's health at serious risk

23. Two hospitals have been accused of telling doctors to turn away pregnant patients and send them home to expel the fetus if their water broke too soon, which puts them at risk of infection

 

Maternal morbidity and fetal outcomes among pregnant women at 22 weeks’ gestation or less with complications in two Texas hospitals after legislation on abortion

24. 57% of patients in Texas study experienced serious maternal morbidity compared to 33% of similar patients in states without laws like the Texas' abortion law

 

Post-Roe, many autoimmune patients lose access to ‘gold standard’ drug

25. Pharmacist denied medication to 8 year old with juvenile arthritis because she was of "child bearing potential"

 

As abortion ban is reinstated, doctors describe 'chilling effect' on women's care

26. Pharmacy denied prescription to assist with IUD insertion

 

Because of Texas abortion law, her wanted pregnancy became a medical nightmare

27. Patient's water broke at 18 weeks and they began experiencing cramps, vomiting, and passing clots of blood and discharge. The pregnancy was given a 0% chance of viability but she was denied an abortion. The patient had to wait until the symptoms got worse before the hospital would induce her so she could deliver stillborn

 

College-shopping students have a new query: Is abortion legal there?

28. High school students are changing where they apply to college to ensure access to abortion while in college

 

Women with chronic conditions struggle to find medications after abortion laws limit access

29. Insurance company told patient they would no longer cover her medicine for Crohn's disease because it might be used for an abortion

30. Pharmacy stops prescription for patient with rheumatoid arthritis because it could be used for abortion

31. Pennsylvania doctor has had multiple patients who were unable to get refills of their rheumatoid arthritis medication

 

Texan has out-of-state abortion to end heartbreaking and dangerous pregnancy, she says

32. Patient whose pregnancy was nonviable and could put her at serious risk had to travel out of state for an abortion

 

‘A scary time’: Fear of prosecution forces doctors to choose between protecting themselves or their patients

33. Doctor had to delay care and go to an ethics board for approval to treat an ectopic pregnancy

34. Doctors have been told to wait until patients with ectopic pregnancies are unstable before treating them

 

Doctors in abortion-ban states fear prosecution for treating patients with life-threatening pregnancies

35. Patient at 19 weeks of pregnancy was going septic but treatment was delayed while the doctor obtained second opinions and final approval from a hospital lawyer.

 

When Can Dying Patients Get a Lifesaving Abortion? These Hospital Panels Will Now Decide.

36. Hospitals are now using panels to determine whether a patient who is suffering a medical emergency may lawfully obtain an abortion.

 

‘They’re Just Going to Let Me Die?’ One Woman’s Abortion Odyssey

37. Patient whose fetus did not develop a skull and was leaking brain matter into the umbilic sac had abortion cancelled even though continuing with the pregnancy would risk her life. She had to travel out of state in order to obtain care

 

Woman unable to get abortion may be forced to give birth to headless baby

38. Woman whose fetus is missing the top of its head and has no skull is denied abortion.

 

Florida court rules teenager ‘not mature enough’ to have abortion

39. Court determines that pregnant teenager is not mature enough to obtain an abortion

 

SC legislative hearing

40. 19 year-old's fetus is non-viable but because it has a heartbeat, she is refused treatment and sent home.

 

‘I’m Carrying This Baby Just to Bury It’: The Struggle to Decode Abortion Laws

41. Louisiana's abortion law is causing doctors to refuse to perform abortions even when they are medically necessary out of fear of losing their medical licenses or facing criminal charges

42. Louisiana doctors fear that the threat of prosecution will hinder their judgment or delay emergency care for pregnant women. One questioned whether they might be prosecuted for treating patients with meds used to treat other conditions that could harm a pregnancy

 

Affidavit in Lawsuit Against Louisiana Law

43. The language in Louisiana's abortion law is confusing, contradictory and unclear from a medical perspective, leading to concerns from doctors that they will may face fines or even jail time if they make the "wrong" decision or interpret the law incorrectly. In order to comply, doctors may have to delay or forgo standard treatment, increasing their patients' risks of severe morbidity or even death

44. Pharmacies refused to disperse misoprostol because they did not know whether they were allowed to under the new abortion law. Even large corporations are unsure what is and is not permitted.

45. Exceptions under the abortion law are unclear, leading doctors to fear they may be prosecuted for providing the standard of care for lethal fetal anomalies

46. Patient who became pregnant on birth control told doctor she hoped the pregnancy was ectopic so she would not have to travel out of state

47. The decision for how to move forward with premature rupture of the membranes needs to be made quickly between the patient and her doctor. The abortion law will cause confusion and delay treatment during the critical time

48. The abortion law's lack of clarity could impact treatment for non-pregnancy conditions that use drugs like methotrexate, which can cause abortions. This can cause a chilling effect on the proper treatment for these illnesses

49. "Abortion" is regularly used in a medical context to refer both to the spontaneous loss of pregnancy (miscarriage) and an elective abortion. Under the abortion law, doctors will likely have to delay care to seek legal advice on what treatment they are allowed to provide

50. Post-Dobbs, doctors have begun to delay treatment out of fear of potential prosecution. This delay can cause irreparable harm

51. Louisiana's abortion law requires doctors to wait until a pregnant woman is extremely sick, even on the verge of death, before terminating a life-threatening pregnancy

 

Doctors speak out: Idaho’s ‘cruel’ abortion laws will cause harm to their patients

52. Under Idaho's abortion law, doctors may be prosecuted for providing abortions to cancer patients so they can receive chemo treatment

53. Idaho's abortion law's vague language will result in confusion for what treatments doctors can provide and when, which can negatively impact patient health

 

States with the toughest abortion laws have the weakest maternal supports, data shows

54. Since states with stricter abortion laws also have less access to health care and worse health outcomes, "...there's going to be not only more hardship, but greater health problems and maternal deaths..."

55. The 14 states with the most restrictive abortion laws had the worst maternal and child health outcomes in the country

56. Women living in states with the least restrictive abortion laws have a 7% lower chance of having a child with low birth weight. Black women in those states have an 8% lower risk

57. States with abortion restrictions also tend to have the highest infant mortality rates

58. States that enacted laws to restrict abortion based on gestation age increased their maternal mortality rate by 38%

 

This never should have happened,': Doctor alleges pharmacy denied woman medication for miscarriage

59. Pharmacy denied medication to help patient during miscarriage

 

A Mother, a Daughter and an Unusual Abortion Prosecution in Nebraska

60. Facebook provided chat records to police who used them to prosecute a mother and daughter for facilitating an abortion

 

Affidavits: 2 more pregnant minors who were raped were denied Ohio abortions

61. Two Ohio children who became pregnant due to rape were forced to leave the state for care

62. Two Ohio women with cancer are not allowed to terminate their pregnancies nor can they get cancer treatment while pregnant

63. Three Ohio women whose fetuses have severe abnormalities or conditions that make a successful pregnancy impossible cannot get abortions

 

OP-ED: Abortion bans actually deter women from having babies

64. Patient with wanted pregnancy was diagnosed with cancer but was told the doctor would not provide an abortion until she was on the cusp of death due to the law

65. Patient suffering miscarriage with vomiting and pain was denied treatment and went to another hospital which made her wait three days for an ethics committee to decide her case

 

Teen girl denied medication refill under AZ’s new abortion law

66. Minor with debilitating rheumatoid arthritis and osteoporosis was denied a life-saving prescription because of Arizona's new abortion law

 

Can rape victims access abortion in Mississippi? Doctors, advocates say no.

67. Due to concerns about prosecution, no doctors in Mississippi say that they would perform an abortion on a rape victim

68. Woman experiencing miscarriage was asked to prove she was having a miscarriage in order to obtain the medicine her doctor prescribed

 

Some women say they’re having trouble getting prescriptions filled because of Georgia abortion law

69. Pharmacy requires additional information from doctor to provide woman with drug she had been receiving from them for years

70. Many members (but only women) of a healthy living foundation are reporting they are being asked to provide additional information for existing prescriptions.

 

Woman With Severe Chronic Pain Was Denied Medication for Being ‘Childbearing Age’

71. Woman was denied medication for a painful chronic condition that had previously caused her to consider suicide because she was of childbearing age

 

Some Abortion Bans Put Patients, Doctors at Risk in Emergencies

72. Doctors report seeing treatment for ectopic pregnancies being stalled until they rupture and become life-threatening; people with broken water and fetal parts stuck in their ***** sent home until fetal demise or the patient ends up in the ICU

 

Abortion bans complicate access to drugs for cancer, arthritis, even ulcers

73. After 20 years of trying to conceive, Tennessee woman decided to get sterilized after her doctor told her it was the only way she could stay on her current treatment for rheumatoid arthritis

 

Kentuckians demand control over their bodies as doctors navigate abortion law gray areas

74. Physician's assistant refuses to fill medicine or patient experiencing miscarriage because they did not want their name on the order.

75. Kentucky sees surge in people seeking sterilization after Dobbs decision

 

Chattanooga doctor sends pregnant patient to North Carolina for abortion

76. A pregnant patient in Tennessee was experiencing a dangerous pregnancy but her doctor had to send her out of state for treatment. The doctor herself is now moving out of the state

 

Texas Woman Nearly Loses Her Life After Doctors Can't Legally Perform an Abortion: 'Their Hands Were Tied'

77. Texas Woman whose water broke at 18 weeks but doctors refused to treat her until she developed sepsis three days later. Her condition was bad enough that friends and family rushed to her bedside, fearing she was dying.

 

Stories of the consequences of Dobbs

78. Multiple stories of the consequences of abortion bans (some may already have been included in the list, so I'm just including the video as one item)

 

Missouri Woman Denied Emergency Abortion Called a State Senator for Help. He Sent Her to an Anti-Abortion Clinic.

79. Missouri woman's water broke at 17 weeks and the fetus was non-viable but doctors refused to treat her. She had to travel out of state for care

 

What Happens When Doctors Don’t Learn How to Do Abortions?

80. Ohio woman's water broke too early and the pregnancy was non-viable. Doctors had to wait hours to treat her. Even then, the resident at the hospital had never performed the procedure due to the state's ban

 

A Young Victim Of ***** Was Denied An Abortion In Florida And Forced To Travel For Care, Planned Parenthood Said

81. A child victim of ***** was denied an abortion in Florida and was forced to travel out of state for treatment

 

Edited October 21, 2022 by ChiGoose
Added 25-34; 35-81

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

Many of the above seem horrific, This one might actually be positive;

 

11. OB-GYN sees surge of patients seeking sterilization since the Dobbs decision

[SoCal Deek]

It took fifty years and millions of aborted human lives to get us into the above, thoroughly outlined, mess. It’s not going to be fixed in a month. Trust the process! 

Edited July 20, 2022 by SoCal Deek

[ChiGoose]

5 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

It took fifty years and millions of aborted human lives to get us into the above, thoroughly outlined, mess. It’s not going to be fixed in a month. Trust the process! 

 

Doctors to woman while waiting for her health to deteriorate to the point where she is almost dying so they can help her: Trust the process!

 

JFC, what a pathetic response.

[Big Blitz]

*Big Blitz enters the thread*

 

 

"Now do all things Covid lockdown, federal, and State mandates destroyed.  Starting with public education. "

 

 

Big Blitz, obviously.  

[ChiGoose]

16 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

*Big Blitz enters the thread*

 

#1 sign you're about to read some idiotic whataboutism BS in an attempt to derail the topic at hand.

[SoCal Deek]

26 minutes ago, ChiGoose said:

 

Doctors to woman while waiting for her health to deteriorate to the point where she is almost dying so they can help her: Trust the process!

 

JFC, what a pathetic response.

Knock if off Goose. When you run the world, you can run exactly the way you want it to be. (You don't actually run it....do you?  If so, I apologize.)

[Wacka]

ALL the Dobbs decision did was uphold the 10th Amendment.

[L Ron Burgundy]

45 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

Knock if off Goose. When you run the world, you can run exactly the way you want it to be. (You don't actually run it....do you?  If so, I apologize.)

Thanks ref but he can say what he wants too right?   A topic was created,  bb can create wtf he wants.  Derailing this because he has no input serves zero purpose. 

[SoCal Deek]

2 hours ago, L Ron Burgundy said:

Thanks ref but he can say what he wants too right?   A topic was created,  bb can create wtf he wants.  Derailing this because he has no input serves zero purpose. 

Not what I said at all Ron. I actually praised his outline. Goose is focused on how difficult and complex this issue is. I agree with him. And that’s why we elect representatives to work through these issues. Unfortunately these days are elected officials don’t want to do what we pay them to do. They’d rather pit one side against the other, and run to their donors telling them of how they’re in their ‘fighting’ for them. 

[ChiGoose]

24 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

Unfortunately these days are elected officials don’t want to do what we pay them to do. They’d rather pit one side against the other, and run to their donors telling them of how they’re in their ‘fighting’ for them. 

 

I don't understand how someone can hold this view and also say this will all be ok if we trust the process that elected officials will fix these problems.

[SoCal Deek]

2 minutes ago, ChiGoose said:

 

I don't understand how someone can hold this view and also say this will all be ok if we trust the process that elected officials will fix these problems.

Goose. You misunderstand. You are either going to trust the process, leave the country, or install yourself as Goose the All Powerful. (Has a ring to it. 👍) That’s just how it works here. Note, I’m not saying to Trust the Legislature to do what I personally want, but rather to Trust the Process. Because crafting legislation is in fact a process. 
 

I’ve been posting the exact same thing about Ukraine today, but unfortunately nobody has the patience to put in the effort anymore. Just send bombs, look the other way, and destroy a country! 

[Andy1]

I guess if you look at the situation from a detached point of view, Trust the Process could make sense as this is all part of the evolution of American society. Having this attitude certainly keeps your stress levels lower. Every action causes reactions. This will eventually cause unexpected changes for those states that travel down the path of strong bans that are not supported by most Americans. 
 

In the long view, I think these state laws will eventually moderate as the suffering of women becomes apparent and women vote the bastards out. Before that happens though, many will suffer. I think there is some truth the the saying that “People get the government they deserve”.

[SoCal Deek]

1 hour ago, Andy1 said:

I guess if you look at the situation from a detached point of view, Trust the Process could make sense as this is all part of the evolution of American society. Having this attitude certainly keeps your stress levels lower. Every action causes reactions. This will eventually cause unexpected changes for those states that travel down the path of strong bans that are not supported by most Americans. 
 

In the long view, I think these state laws will eventually moderate as the suffering of women becomes apparent and women vote the bastards out. Before that happens though, many will suffer. I think there is some truth the the saying that “People get the government they deserve”.

To a great extent you are correct. The problem with your stance is that you give no voice to the voiceless victims of this horrible procedure…the yet to be born infant. I’m confident a balance will be struck. 

[Andy1]

33 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

To a great extent you are correct. The problem with your stance is that you give no voice to the voiceless victims of this horrible procedure…the yet to be born infant. I’m confident a balance will be struck. 

Deek - Don’t try to paint me as some kind of pro abortion radical that believes it should be allowed till moment of birth. That’s never been my position. If we are going to play the extremist game - are you a some nut that believes womens lives don’t matter? 

[SoCal Deek]

15 minutes ago, Andy1 said:

Deek - Don’t try to paint me as some kind of pro abortion radical that believes it should be allowed till moment of birth. That’s never been my position. If we are going to play the extremist game - are you a some nut that believes womens lives don’t matter? 

Andy…I’m not painting you as anything. I’ve never said anything like that in the entire debate. I’m the only one on here actually calling for calmer heads to prevail. Everyone else appears to want to scream past each other. 

[BillStime]

47 minutes ago, Andy1 said:

Deek - Don’t try to paint me as some kind of pro abortion radical that believes it should be allowed till moment of birth. That’s never been my position. If we are going to play the extremist game - are you a some nut that believes womens lives don’t matter? 

Notice he didn’t answer your question?

[ChiGoose]

45 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

 I’m the only one on here actually calling for calmer heads to prevail. Everyone else appears to want to scream past each other. 

It honestly doesn’t seem that way. It seems more like people pointing out the problems with Dobbs and you hand-waving them away, assuming they’ll eventually be fixed.

[Andy1]

1 hour ago, SoCal Deek said:

Andy…I’m not painting you as anything. I’ve never said anything like that in the entire debate. I’m the only one on here actually calling for calmer heads to prevail. Everyone else appears to want to scream past each other. 

If you approach this issue from a religious perspective and believe that life and rights to life begin at conception, I can respect that. I don’t agree with it, but I’ve got friends who have that position. People can agree to disagree. The only thing you say is trust the process without explaining what your position is. Should womens health be a consideration in allowing abortions? 

[SoCal Deek]

9 hours ago, Andy1 said:

If you approach this issue from a religious perspective and believe that life and rights to life begin at conception, I can respect that. I don’t agree with it, but I’ve got friends who have that position. People can agree to disagree. The only thing you say is trust the process without explaining what your position is. Should womens health be a consideration in allowing abortions? 

I keep using the line Trust the Process because that’s where we are at this point and that’s how our system of government functions. There will be a legislative negotiation on a state by state basis just like there is on so many laws and regulations each and every day. It makes no difference what my personal opinion is (I’ve tried really hard not to offer one), or my faith, or yours for that matter. Each state’s legislative representatives will now sit and deliberate and I’m guessing that each will come to a slightly different nuanced compromise. And just like all laws there’ll be some amendments and tweaks along the way as new circumstances arise. 
 

If I was a betting man I’d say the majority of states will end up with a first trimester limit on abortion.  How about starting a poll? Now THAT would be a great thread! Much more fun than having everyone screaming their personal opinions into the message board abyss! 

Edited July 21, 2022 by SoCal Deek

[ChiGoose]

Post-Roe, many autoimmune patients lose access to ‘gold standard’ drug

25. Pharmacist denied medication to 8 year old with juvenile arthritis because she was of "child bearing potential"

 

As abortion ban is reinstated, doctors describe 'chilling effect' on women's care

26. Pharmacy denied prescription to assist with IUD insertion

 

Because of Texas abortion law, her wanted pregnancy became a medical nightmare

27. Patient's water broke at 18 weeks and they began experiencing cramps, vomiting, and passing clots of blood and discharge. The pregnancy was given a 0% chance of viability but she was denied an abortion. The patient had to wait until the symptoms got worse before the hospital would induce her so she could deliver stillborn

 

College-shopping students have a new query: Is abortion legal there?

28. High school students are changing where they apply to college to ensure access to abortion while in college

 

Women with chronic conditions struggle to find medications after abortion laws limit access

29. Insurance company told patient they would no longer cover her medicine for Crohn's disease because it might be used for an abortion

30. Pharmacy stops prescription for patient with rheumatoid arthritis because it could be used for abortion

31. Pennsylvania doctor has had multiple patients who were unable to get refills of their rheumatoid arthritis medication

 

Texan has out-of-state abortion to end heartbreaking and dangerous pregnancy, she says

32. Patient whose pregnancy was nonviable and could put her at serious risk had to travel out of state for an abortion

 

‘A scary time’: Fear of prosecution forces doctors to choose between protecting themselves or their patients

33. Doctor had to delay care and go to an ethics board for approval to treat an ectopic pregnancy

34. Doctors have been told to wait until patients with ectopic pregnancies are unstable before treating them

[SoCal Deek]

2 hours ago, ChiGoose said:

Post-Roe, many autoimmune patients lose access to ‘gold standard’ drug

25. Pharmacist denied medication to 8 year old with juvenile arthritis because she was of "child bearing potential"

 

As abortion ban is reinstated, doctors describe 'chilling effect' on women's care

26. Pharmacy denied prescription to assist with IUD insertion

 

Because of Texas abortion law, her wanted pregnancy became a medical nightmare

27. Patient's water broke at 18 weeks and they began experiencing cramps, vomiting, and passing clots of blood and discharge. The pregnancy was given a 0% chance of viability but she was denied an abortion. The patient had to wait until the symptoms got worse before the hospital would induce her so she could deliver stillborn

 

College-shopping students have a new query: Is abortion legal there?

28. High school students are changing where they apply to college to ensure access to abortion while in college

 

Women with chronic conditions struggle to find medications after abortion laws limit access

29. Insurance company told patient they would no longer cover her medicine for Crohn's disease because it might be used for an abortion

30. Pharmacy stops prescription for patient with rheumatoid arthritis because it could be used for abortion

31. Pennsylvania doctor has had multiple patients who were unable to get refills of their rheumatoid arthritis medication

 

Texan has out-of-state abortion to end heartbreaking and dangerous pregnancy, she says

32. Patient whose pregnancy was nonviable and could put her at serious risk had to travel out of state for an abortion

 

‘A scary time’: Fear of prosecution forces doctors to choose between protecting themselves or their patients

33. Doctor had to delay care and go to an ethics board for approval to treat an ectopic pregnancy

34. Doctors have been told to wait until patients with ectopic pregnancies are unstable before treating them

An abortion terminated the life of an innocent child.

 

An abortion terminated the life of an innocent child.

 

An abortion terminated the life of an innocent child.

 

Shall I keep going? 
 

Trust the process Goose. 

[ChiGoose]

1 minute ago, SoCal Deek said:

An abortion terminated the life of an innocent child.

 

An abortion terminated the life of an innocent child.

 

An abortion terminated the life of an innocent child.

 

Shall I keep going? 
 

Trust the process Goose. 

 

Do you believe that life begins at conception?

[SoCal Deek]

2 hours ago, ChiGoose said:

 

Do you believe that life begins at conception?

My personal views don’t matter Goose and neither do yours. I’m willing to trust the process. You clearly are not. 

[Demongyz]

2 hours ago, ChiGoose said:

 

Do you believe that life begins at conception?

I do.

[ChiGoose]

14 hours ago, Demongyz said:

I do.

So what are your thoughts on IVF? It involves the freezing and destruction of fertilized embryos. 

[Demongyz]

2 hours ago, ChiGoose said:

So what are your thoughts on IVF? It involves the freezing and destruction of fertilized embryos. 

So be it.  Not all fertilized eggs come to term.

[BillStime]

🎯

 

 

[TSOL]

4 minutes ago, BillStime said:

🎯

 

 

 

 

Between 6-800,000 abortions per year in this country depending on whose numbers you look at. That's more than COVID "killed" in it's first year. 

 

Why you hate baby's so much 

[Andy1]

1st time a Dem will represent Alaska in like decades. Women are voting for their rights.

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

5 minutes ago, TSOL said:

 

 

Between 6-800,000 abortions per year in this country depending on whose numbers you look at. That's more than COVID "killed" in it's first year. 

 

Why you hate baby's so much 

if you think of the people in love with as much abortion as possible.. they are also likely to have them as a sacramental ritual, and given their likely values and the crappy self loathing useless for society kids they are likely to raise maybe it’s worth reconsidering. It’s not like the planet is running out of people 

[BillStime]

24 minutes ago, TSOL said:

 

 

Between 6-800,000 abortions per year in this country depending on whose numbers you look at. That's more than COVID "killed" in it's first year. 

 

Why you hate baby's so much 

How many children are you currently fostering?

 

 

[BillStime]

The cult pissed off the wrong people:

 

 

[ArdmoreRyno]

13 hours ago, BillStime said:

How many children are you currently fostering?

 

 

 

The only arguments from the left on abortion:

 

1. What about rape and *****? 
2. Are you going to foster a kid? 

[BillStime]

2 minutes ago, ArdmoreRyno said:

 

The only arguments from the left on abortion:

 

1. What about rape and *****? 
2. Are you going to foster a kid? 

 

Women's rights.  Period.

 

 

[Tiberius]

9 minutes ago, ArdmoreRyno said:

 

The only arguments from the left on abortion:

 

1. What about rape and *****? 
2. Are you going to foster a kid? 

3. health issues of  women that are affected by abortion bans 

4. bounties given to rats who report women that have left state to get an abortion

5. Pharmicists not able to supply medicine because it might be used for an abortion 

6. states seeking to punish women and doctors for out of state abortions 

7. a personal decision made by the state instead of by the person involved 

8. A basic constitutional right that has been taken away 

9. Women being forced to carry babies that will not survive outside the women ever 

 

[ArdmoreRyno]

1 hour ago, Tiberius said:

3. health issues of  women that are affected by abortion bans 

4. bounties given to rats who report women that have left state to get an abortion

5. Pharmicists not able to supply medicine because it might be used for an abortion 

6. states seeking to punish women and doctors for out of state abortions 

7. a personal decision made by the state instead of by the person involved 

8. A basic constitutional right that has been taken away 

9. Women being forced to carry babies that will not survive outside the women ever 

 

 

Pretty sure most of what you just posted are myths. My state is VERY conservative and if a woman is in danger, there are health issues, baby would not survive, etc... terminating that pregnancy is still allowed. 

[Tiberius]

10 minutes ago, ArdmoreRyno said:

 

Pretty sure most of what you just posted are myths. My state is VERY conservative and if a woman is in danger, there are health issues, baby would not survive, etc... terminating that pregnancy is still allowed. 

Well...I'm pretty sure you guys just handed Democrats a winning issue 

[Tiberius]

Just now, B-Man said:

 

 

 

Ordinarily I completely ignore Tibsy's ramblings, but these were so obviously wishful thinking by him that I felt obligated.

 

 

 

 

 

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You have to say that because you know how f--- up these social conservatives are 

[ArdmoreRyno]

3 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

Well...I'm pretty sure you guys just handed Democrats a winning issue 

Weird, because the GOP is predicted (by every news outlet) to win both the House and Senate. State gov. are projected to be around 50-50.