Leader and Members of the Proud Boys Indicted for Seditious Conspiracy

[wnyguy]

30 minutes ago, Kemp said:

 

So, jury trial convictions should now be tossed if you don't like them.

And Trump supporters believe they're for law and order.

When you try and overthrow a democracy, you're scum. No reason to mince words about it. No wonder Nazis are on your team. 

Like I said before, there was no "insurrection" no attempt to overthrow our government, just ticked off trespassers who were sometimes let into the building by the Capitol Police themselves. And when asked to leave they did so. What kind of coup attempt is that?

[Andy1]

1 hour ago, wnyguy said:

Like I said before, there was no "insurrection" no attempt to overthrow our government, just ticked off trespassers who were sometimes let into the building by the Capitol Police themselves. And when asked to leave they did so. What kind of coup attempt is that?

So what were the zip cuffs and tasers for? Did you forget the videos of the police being sprayed and beaten with bats and flagpoles? Some police surrendered to the mob, others did their job defending as best they could.

The mob that day had a variety of people with different intents. The nuts in the paramilitary gear were there for a purpose. They got their wild day. Now they can enjoy a wild time in prison.

[BillStime]

14 minutes ago, Andy1 said:

So what were the zip cuffs and tasers for? Did you forget the videos of the police being sprayed and beaten with bats and flagpoles? Some police surrendered to the mob, others did their job defending as best they could.

The mob that day had a variety of people with different intents. The nuts in the paramilitary gear were there for a purpose. They got their wild day. Now they can enjoy a wild time in prison.

But Andy - just remember -  Dems are soft on crime.

 

[Kemp]

14 hours ago, wnyguy said:

Like I said before, there was no "insurrection" no attempt to overthrow our government, just ticked off trespassers who were sometimes let into the building by the Capitol Police themselves. And when asked to leave they did so. What kind of coup attempt is that?

 

When asked to leave they did so?

 

So all that fighting that went on against people trying to keep them out never happened?

 

All those videos must have been AI, right?

 

So these gentlemen who have just been convicted weren't trying to overthrow the election even though they CONTINUE to say that? 

 

Are they lying?

 

These fine folks set up a gallows for Pence. You think they would have just shaken his hand if they met him?

 

What would they have done if they found Pelosi?

 

Ask for autographs after they took ***** and smeared it around her office?

 

And why were they all there?

 

Because your cult leader whipped them into a frenzy by repeatedly screaming that the election was stolen.

 

Or maybe everything was just harmless tourism.

 

It's hard to be as stupid as you pretend to be but I suppose it's possible because some Trump supporters believe JFK Jr. will  be the next VP.

 

 

[Irv]

On 5/27/2023 at 7:05 AM, Kemp said:

 

When asked to leave they did so?

 

So all that fighting that went on against people trying to keep them out never happened?

 

All those videos must have been AI, right?

 

So these gentlemen who have just been convicted weren't trying to overthrow the election even though they CONTINUE to say that? 

 

Are they lying?

 

These fine folks set up a gallows for Pence. You think they would have just shaken his hand if they met him?

 

What would they have done if they found Pelosi?

 

Ask for autographs after they took ***** and smeared it around her office?

 

And why were they all there?

 

Because your cult leader whipped them into a frenzy by repeatedly screaming that the election was stolen.

 

Or maybe everything was just harmless tourism.

 

It's hard to be as stupid as you pretend to be but I suppose it's possible because some Trump supporters believe JFK Jr. will  be the next VP.

 

 

JFK jr?  Man.  You are dumb.  

[Tiberius]

8 minutes ago, Irv said:

JFK jr?  Man.  You are dumb.  

Are you aware that Trump lost the 2020 presidential contest? 

[Tommy Callahan]

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

 

but with the amount of effery going around with these "trials". seems they would have a good chance at appeal. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[T master]

On 6/6/2022 at 2:54 PM, ChiGoose said:

 

From the DoJ:

 

 

 

 

NO WAY it was all Trump Tarrio is completely innocent he was a patsy just ask BT & Tibs they will tell you every thing bad in the entire world happened because Trump was the president & he was the one that directed the Jan. 6th proposed take over of the capitol ...

[Tommy Callahan]

38 minutes ago, T master said:

 

NO WAY it was all Trump Tarrio is completely innocent he was a patsy just ask BT & Tibs they will tell you every thing bad in the entire world happened because Trump was the president & he was the one that directed the Jan. 6th proposed take over of the capitol ...

Tarrio. The Afro Cuban flag wearing, Cuban immigrant, white supremacist.  he didnt do nuffin 

 

 

 

 

Edited May 30, 2023 by Chris farley

[Tiberius]

Lock 'em up!!! 

[Wacka]

On 5/26/2023 at 5:55 PM, Andy1 said:

So what were the zip cuffs and tasers for?

Carried ny the undercover feds that numbered  between 50 and 100?

[Westside]

5 minutes ago, Wacka said:

Carried ny the undercover feds that numbered  between 50 and 100?

But they already know that. They have no interest in the truth when there is revenge on their minds. 

[ChiGoose]

15 hours ago, T master said:

 

NO WAY it was all Trump Tarrio is completely innocent he was a patsy just ask BT & Tibs they will tell you every thing bad in the entire world happened because Trump was the president & he was the one that directed the Jan. 6th proposed take over of the capitol ...

Trump is almost certainly culpable of many crimes but I remain skeptical that he will be charged with or convicted of seditious conspiracy. 

[ChiGoose]

14 hours ago, Wacka said:

Carried ny the undercover feds that numbered  between 50 and 100?

This is one of my favorite conspiracies. Just absolute classic garbage from the brain worms crowd. 
 

They seem to believe that despite a concerted plot to stop the certification of votes, law enforcement should do absolutely nothing about it. 
 

Also, it supposes that your friendly neighborhood MAGA person was a peaceful rally goer but so susceptible and ignorant that the mere presence of someone saying they should storm the Capitol somehow brainwashed them into crimes. 

The through-line is: we are so dumb and prone to violence that an undercover officer can turn us into a crazed mob. Therefore, it is law enforcement’s fault that we tried to kill members of Congress. Also, if there is a terrorist plot, it would be bad for law enforcement to try to gain human sources on the inside. 
 

Classic case of telling on yourself. 

[BillsFanNC]

 

[T master]

8 hours ago, ChiGoose said:

Trump is almost certainly culpable of many crimes but I remain skeptical that he will be charged with or convicted of seditious conspiracy. 

 

Hey its the same as Hillary, Obama, & many other politicians they can commit acts that you or I would be put in jail for yet because of their position are above the law & will be allowed to live their life insight of crimes they have committed free & with every penny & more that they can gather while having that freedom .

[Tommy Callahan]

On 5/26/2023 at 4:40 PM, SUNY_amherst said:

They just gave some very pretty oath keeper broad 8.5 years hahah

 

you guys are really missing out on this sexy trump-humper, now felon

 

state of Ohio of course. All the trash lives in Ohio, Texas or Florida...

 

 

You realize there were four of them and one was in Rochester?

 

The main one is an immigrant that wears the afro -cuba flag everywhere. 

 

And I thought the left was about not body and look shaming?

 

 

[ChiGoose]

57 minutes ago, T master said:

 

Hey its the same as Hillary, Obama, & many other politicians they can commit acts that you or I would be put in jail for yet because of their position are above the law & will be allowed to live their life insight of crimes they have committed free & with every penny & more that they can gather while having that freedom .

No, it’s not. Trump is not the same level of regular old corruption. He is a walking, talking, whirling dervish of crime and fraud. 

[aristocrat]

4 minutes ago, ChiGoose said:

No, it’s not. Trump is not the same level of regular old corruption. He is a walking, talking, whirling dervish of crime and fraud. 

 

lol he was in politics for 4 years. the rest for their entire lives. they are not even playing the same game

[BillStime]

1 minute ago, aristocrat said:

 

lol he was in politics for 4 years. the rest for their entire lives. they are not even playing the same game

 

Same game? How many times has Trump been sued and screwed over business partners, contractors and the little guy?

 

Trump's corruption in the WH is NO WHERE close to the others.

 

Keep dreaming.

 

 

[All_Pro_Bills]

5 minutes ago, ChiGoose said:

No, it’s not. Trump is not the same level of regular old corruption. He is a walking, talking, whirling dervish of crime and fraud. 

And yet with all this he still walks freely among us.  How is that so?   

[BillsFanNC]

The entire political establishment from elected officials to life long entrenched bureaucrats in powerful institutions, aka well established known corrupt liars, tried in unison to take down Trump from day one that he entered politics.  Well before any Trump "corruption" was "uncovered"

 

And leftists want sane prople to believe that TRUMP is the corruption that needs to be exposed?

 

🤣

 

Never change @ChiGoose

 

Edited May 31, 2023 by BillsFanNC

[Kemp]

On 5/30/2023 at 8:32 AM, Irv said:

JFK jr?  Man.  You are dumb.  

 

There are lots of Trump supporters who believe this.

Who's dumb?

No one comes close to Trump supporters.
 

 

On 5/27/2023 at 7:05 AM, Kemp said:

 

When asked to leave they did so?

 

So all that fighting that went on against people trying to keep them out never happened?

 

All those videos must have been AI, right?

 

So these gentlemen who have just been convicted weren't trying to overthrow the election even though they CONTINUE to say that? 

 

Are they lying?

 

These fine folks set up a gallows for Pence. You think they would have just shaken his hand if they met him?

 

What would they have done if they found Pelosi?

 

Ask for autographs after they took ***** and smeared it around her office?

 

And why were they all there?

 

Because your cult leader whipped them into a frenzy by repeatedly screaming that the election was stolen.

 

Or maybe everything was just harmless tourism.

 

It's hard to be as stupid as you pretend to be but I suppose it's possible because some Trump supporters believe JFK Jr. will  be the next VP.

 

 

 

A couple of Trump supporters here have reacted with emojis, but not a single one could offer proof that my assertions were not factual, because they can't. 

Cult members, when confronted with facts, disappear.

[T master]

2 hours ago, ChiGoose said:

No, it’s not. Trump is not the same level of regular old corruption. He is a walking, talking, whirling dervish of crime and fraud. 

 

I bet the families of those that died in bengazy waiting for Hillary to send people to save them would have a different opinion & using a FISA court to issue warrants under false pretenses to illegally spy on a US citizen & also using a bought and paid for completely bogus dossier to influence that court is not just every day corruption .

 

Talk about a whirling dervish of corruption but of course that is totally different i know right . Or the dossier, FISA court, illegal warrants (even though Durham said they were all unsubstantiated claims after a 4 yr investigation) are truly all just made up to cover Trumps true corruption ?? 

[Irv]

1 hour ago, Kemp said:

 

There are lots of Trump supporters who believe this.

Who's dumb?

No one comes close to Trump supporters.
 

 

 

A couple of Trump supporters here have reacted with emojis, but not a single one could offer proof that my assertions were not factual, because they can't. 

Cult members, when confronted with facts, disappear.

Pulling on imaginary threads to keep your hate for Trump going.  Hilarious!  What a mess.  

[Kemp]

54 minutes ago, T master said:

 

I bet the families of those that died in bengazy waiting for Hillary to send people to save them would have a different opinion & using a FISA court to issue warrants under false pretenses to illegally spy on a US citizen & also using a bought and paid for completely bogus dossier to influence that court is not just every day corruption .

 

Talk about a whirling dervish of corruption but of course that is totally different i know right . Or the dossier, FISA court, illegal warrants (even though Durham said they were all unsubstantiated claims after a 4 yr investigation) are truly all just made up to cover Trumps true corruption ?? 

 

I remember all those Benghazi investigations of Clinton led by Republicans that didn't implicate her for anything.

1 minute ago, Irv said:

Pulling on imaginary threads to keep your hate for Trump going.  Hilarious!  What a mess.  

 

I'm not part of the cult where some believe JFK Jr will be Trump's next VP.

That's the delusional folks you're aligned with.

Once again, since you can't refute it, you do what all of you do. You change the subject.

Were you on your grade school debate team?

[Kemp]

1 hour ago, Kemp said:

 

There are lots of Trump supporters who believe this.

Who's dumb?

No one comes close to Trump supporters.
 

 

 

A couple of Trump supporters here have reacted with emojis, but not a single one could offer proof that my assertions were not factual, because they can't. 

Cult members, when confronted with facts, disappear.

 

Chris keeps proving the same thing ad nauseum.

He can never refute a thing, but he sure can post emojis.

A round of applause for Chris.

[BillsFanNC]

59 minutes ago, T master said:

 

I bet the families of those that died in bengazy waiting for Hillary to send people to save them would have a different opinion & using a FISA court to issue warrants under false pretenses to illegally spy on a US citizen & also using a bought and paid for completely bogus dossier to influence that court is not just every day corruption .

 

Talk about a whirling dervish of corruption but of course that is totally different i know right . Or the dossier, FISA court, illegal warrants (even though Durham said they were all unsubstantiated claims after a 4 yr investigation) are truly all just made up to cover Trumps true corruption ?? 

 

To @ChiGoose those are all just mundane mistakes made by the FBI.  They have recognized them and are committed to fixing it going forward.

 

So don't worry. You can trust the FBI!

 

[Tommy Callahan]

1 hour ago, Kemp said:

 

Chris keeps proving the same thing ad nauseum.

He can never refute a thing, but he sure can post emojis.

A round of applause for Chris.

OK, have another.

 

Ill respond. the childish insults you call a post, is not worthy of a valid reply. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Kemp]

1 hour ago, Chris farley said:

OK, have another.

 

Ill respond. the childish insults you call a post, is not worthy of a valid reply. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Thank you for proving my poin, yet again.

You're an unwitting asset to proving yourself incapable.

[Tommy Callahan]

1 minute ago, Kemp said:

 

Thank you for proving my poin, yet again.

You're an unwitting asset to proving yourself incapable.

You made a poin?  🤣

 

 

 

 

[ChiGoose]

7 hours ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

And yet with all this he still walks freely among us.  How is that so?   

 

Lots of reasons, depending on the potential crimes and jurisdictions.

 

• Difficulty: White collar crimes are much harder to investigate and secure a conviction on than other types of crimes. There is often an intent component that may be difficult to prove and targets can often afford high power defense attorneys that make potential trials difficult. This is even more the case for Trump.

• Obstruction: The Trump camp regularly and routinely obstructs investigations. Even now, they are paying for the attorneys for people being targeted by investigators in the hope of keeping them from flipping. There are allegations that at least one of the lawyers did not tell their ostensible client that a deal was offered as it would have the client flip on Trump

• OLC memo: When he was president, the DoJ would not indict him. Mueller said he could exonerate Trump if he felt that Trump did not commit crimes, but did not do so. Instead, he listed out multiple instances of crimes Trump committed and indicated that the proper remedy was impeachment

• Politics: The Dems stupidly rested their hopes on Mueller instead of doing the work themselves. Then they chickened out. When Garland stepped into office, he could have indicted Trump for the multiple instances of obstruction of justice that Mueller had outlined, but he declined to do so. Also, indicting a former president is a big deal. Losing a case here isn't the same as losing one against some random person. Law enforcement probably wants to be as close to 100% of a conviction as possible before indicting him. Even if they think there's an 80% chance they win, that might not be enough to warrant the risk.

• Time: Some of these investigations take a very long time. The Mar-A-Lago documents case is very straightforward, but in order to properly prepare for trial, Jack Smith needs to interview every potential person who may have information, from the people close to Trump down to the janitorial staff and visitors to the building. That takes time. 

He's been indicted in Manhattan. He will almost certainly be indicted in Georgia and he will also very likely be indicted by Jack Smith.

 

Of course, people will always find a way to defend him saying it's political, but applying the publicly known facts of each case to the law and the only reason he *wouldn't* be indicted would be politics. Any one of us would have already been indicted if we had done what he did.

 

[Tommy Callahan]

53 minutes ago, ChiGoose said:

 

Lots of reasons, depending on the potential crimes and jurisdictions.

 

• Difficulty: White collar crimes are much harder to investigate and secure a conviction on than other types of crimes. There is often an intent component that may be difficult to prove and targets can often afford high power defense attorneys that make potential trials difficult. This is even more the case for Trump.

• Obstruction: The Trump camp regularly and routinely obstructs investigations. Even now, they are paying for the attorneys for people being targeted by investigators in the hope of keeping them from flipping. There are allegations that at least one of the lawyers did not tell their ostensible client that a deal was offered as it would have the client flip on Trump

• OLC memo: When he was president, the DoJ would not indict him. Mueller said he could exonerate Trump if he felt that Trump did not commit crimes, but did not do so. Instead, he listed out multiple instances of crimes Trump committed and indicated that the proper remedy was impeachment

• Politics: The Dems stupidly rested their hopes on Mueller instead of doing the work themselves. Then they chickened out. When Garland stepped into office, he could have indicted Trump for the multiple instances of obstruction of justice that Mueller had outlined, but he declined to do so. Also, indicting a former president is a big deal. Losing a case here isn't the same as losing one against some random person. Law enforcement probably wants to be as close to 100% of a conviction as possible before indicting him. Even if they think there's an 80% chance they win, that might not be enough to warrant the risk.

• Time: Some of these investigations take a very long time. The Mar-A-Lago documents case is very straightforward, but in order to properly prepare for trial, Jack Smith needs to interview every potential person who may have information, from the people close to Trump down to the janitorial staff and visitors to the building. That takes time. 

He's been indicted in Manhattan. He will almost certainly be indicted in Georgia and he will also very likely be indicted by Jack Smith.

 

Of course, people will always find a way to defend him saying it's political, but applying the publicly known facts of each case to the law and the only reason he *wouldn't* be indicted would be politics. Any one of us would have already been indicted if we had done what he did.

 

Blue anon?

[ChiGoose]

2 hours ago, Chris farley said:

Blue anon?

I’m sorry you don’t understand how the legal process works, but that’s a you problem. 

[Roundybout]

Have we fried these guys yet? Times a wastin’

[BillsFanNC]

 

Umm the Steele dossier called...

 

But sure you can and should trust the FBI completely right, @ChiGoose ?

 

 

 

[ChiGoose]

20 minutes ago, BillsFanNC said:

 

Umm the Steele dossier called...

 

But sure you can and should trust the FBI completely right, @ChiGoose ?

 

 

 

We could fill a very small thimble with what you know about the law. Maybe. There might be a little room left over for what little life you seem to have. 

[BillsFanNC]

 

[Kemp]

13 hours ago, Chris farley said:

You made a poin?  🤣

 

 

 

 

 

Good one.

Still unable to refute anything.
 

[Joe Ferguson forever]

9 hours ago, ChiGoose said:

We could fill a very small thimble with what you know about the law. Maybe. There might be a little room left over for what little life you seem to have. 

and another with what the MAGA's here collectively know about medicine.  Jack Kemp was a good R.  I believe he would be in despair over the state of the party now.