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2 minutes ago, Sheneneh Jenkins said:

Yeah, I may be in the minority here, but I felt like S. Payton was/is a little over rated imo. Don't get me wrong, I do think he was a decent HC....but I just feel like he's been given a little more credit than he should have gotten by many.

 

 

 

Outside of a single super bowl season, he has arguably been equal or worse than McDermott in the post season. Not to mention he had a 5 year veteran Brees when he started as opposed to McDermott with Taylor for a year and rookie Josh Allen for another.

 

So yes of course super bowl win trumps all but the guy couldnt get back to it in 11 years afterwards with Drew Brees at QB. 

 

Why do people think super bowl is the rule for him as opposed to the exception and that we are any more likely to get there with him over McDermott?

 

First 5 seasons - Payton

1-1 Loss NFCCG

No Playoffs

No Playoffs

Super Bowl win

0-1 Loss Wildcard

 

First 5 Seasons - McDermott

0-1 Loss Wildcard

No Playoffs

0-1 Loss Wildcard

2-1 Loss AFCCG

1-1 Loss Divisional

 

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34 minutes ago, Captain Hindsight said:

Did you watch Payton's retirement press conference? Dude is done. He looked like he lost all of his fire for coaching. You want a guy like that in here? 

 

 

I think you're missing the point and the point of the person that I agreed with.  Me nor the other person is pining for or saying that we want Payton.  Get a grip, man.

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5 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

Think they both failed in OT against Bucs… the offense went 3 and out their first position of OT. 

True but they did score 24 points in the second to get them into OT.  Keeping thay roll going isn't easy. 

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1 minute ago, What a Tuel said:

 

Outside of a single super bowl season, he has arguably been equal or worse than McDermott in the post season. Not to mention he had a 5 year veteran Brees when he started as opposed to McDermott with Taylor for a year and rookie Josh Allen for another.

 

So yes of course super bowl win trumps all but the guy couldnt get back to it in 11 years afterwards with Drew Brees at QB. 

 

Why do people think super bowl is the rule for him as opposed to the exception and that we are any more likely to get there with him over McDermott?

 

First 5 seasons - Payton

1-1 Loss NFCCG

No Playoffs

No Playoffs

Super Bowl win

0-1 Loss Wildcard

 

First 5 Seasons - McDermott

0-1 Loss Wildcard

No Playoffs

0-1 Loss Wildcard

2-1 Loss AFCCG

1-1 Loss Divisional

 

Yeah that's about where I'm at. Having Brees all those years certainly makes things a bit easier (as it would with any HC)...

 

But yeah, I just feel like he's gotten a bit too much credit. I think it mainly is from when he called the onside kick and got lucky in that Super Bowl. Outside of that he didn't do much else.

 

Considering the amount of talent on that teams roster he's had multiple years, they got many regular season wins that put them in position of being a top seed for post season so many times only to do nothing with it. They would look like a completely different team when playoffs started and knocked out early at times. 

 

Anyways, he's just nothing special imo

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6 hours ago, Hebert19 said:

1.   KC.  We know what happened there.  D failed him and team.  

2.   Tampa.  We know what happened there...D failed in crunch time in OT

3.   Cardinals.  Shocker but D failed him.  

 

I know we all think highly of the D but when they are in tight against a good team, they play more like a bottom 10 D.   Against Indy in playoffs they almost blew that too.  Houston all the way back to 2019 season.  Same.  

 

Let's hope Von can help us close games out.  

Where’s the lie🧐

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1 hour ago, ScottLaw said:

Except I never said they ignored offense…. I said they prioritize their defense over offense….. and the coaching staffs conservative play calls offensively is what got them into a 9 point deficit against KC.

My bad, not sure how I could’ve missed that considering that you’ve made that same point evident in 99% of your posts over the last few months.   
 

 

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3 minutes ago, NewEra said:

My bad, not sure how I could’ve missed that considering that you’ve made that same point evident in 99% of your posts over the last few months.   
 

 

Lol, he won't know how to act if they go Offense in 1st round this time

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4 hours ago, phypon said:

I would take Payton over McD if McD doesn't show game management progress next year.  Yes, a small upgrade makes a big difference.  Love what McD has done to the "culture" here, but this past season/offseason has raised some eyebrows.  I know there are only rumors, but it seems some players and coaches have clashed with him.  Players and coaches have wanted out on a team with huge upside, that says something.  

 

The NFL is a business, and there is no reason why anyone should be "safe".  If McD can't deliver, get someone who can.  It's that simple.  I don't care how close he is to ultimate success.  Players have to prove it, so do coaches.  Don't get too attached to a coach.

 

1 hour ago, phypon said:

I think you're missing the point and the point of the person that I agreed with.  Me nor the other person is pining for or saying that we want Payton.  Get a grip, man.

Get a grip? Calm down Francis. I replied to you saying "I would take Payton over McD..." with my reasoning of why I wouldn't. 

 

So what exactly was your point? Since I so clearly missed it by reading you would would SP or McD

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7 hours ago, Captain Hindsight said:

There is zero chance McDermott is on the hot seat after this year. Beane and McDermott are a package deal, letting go of one means letting both go. Pegula wouldn't be that stupid (I hope)

You never know. How good is this DL going to be? How much better is our secondary going to be? All we can say is we’ll see…

I’ll tell ya, if that DL (and in turn, the whole defense) bombs fans are going to be asking tons of questions….

Now, I don’t think it’s going to bomb, but it might not be much better than last year’s and a lot of fans might consider that a bomb…

We haven’t had a good DL since McBeane lost Kyle and Jerry got too old….which was the same time….

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6 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

On this I am not persuaded that the reason we were not hosting the entire post-season in Buffalo last year - the offensive line - has been upgraded or certainly not sufficiently so. If the oline lets the team down again then I think that would be a personnel issue not a coaching one. I take the point that even with that line we should have beaten KC but for 13 seconds, but it is a combination of those things. 

It was a coaching decision to run a more balanced gap/zone percentage toward the end of the year which coincided with the running game improving. Similarly it was the coaches who set the initial depth at oline and were only forced into a different lineup by injury…also coincided with immediately better pass protection. 
 

For two years running now Beane has outperformed McDermott imo

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8 hours ago, Hebert19 said:

I know we all think highly of the D but when they are in tight against a good team, they play more like a bottom 10 D.   Against Indy in playoffs they almost blew that too.  Houston all the way back to 2019 season. 

 

Obviously we all do not think highly of the Defense and you are one of them.

 

There are plenty of times when offense went into pop gun road and defense needed to make plays to keep team in games.

A good example is playoff game vs Ravens where Trent Murphy neutralized Lemur Jackson on half of the field and Taron Johnson put nail in coffin.

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10 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

It was a coaching decision to run a more balanced gap/zone percentage toward the end of the year which coincided with the running game improving. Similarly it was the coaches who set the initial depth at oline and were only forced into a different lineup by injury…also coincided with immediately better pass protection. 
 

For two years running now Beane has outperformed McDermott imo

 

I don't think he did last year. He paid a RT who struggled so poorly they had to move him to guard. He paid a guard who was an absolute abomination and lost his job. He then had to cut both at the end of the year. He paid $6m for a washed up receiver. He restructured Butler rather than releasing him and he got outplayed by a former UDFA. He signed a punter who can't punt. He drafted a guy in round two who could barely get on the field. 

 

It wasn't all bad. But I wouldn't give Beane better than a C for 2021. He was an A for 2020 overall in my eyes, but I think his work last year left something to be desired. Beane is at his best when at his boldest IMO. When he gets conservative and sticks with what he knows he generally makes poorer decisions. I like that he has been bolder this offseason. That generally serves him well. 

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17 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I don't think he did last year. He paid a RT who struggled so poorly they had to move him to guard. He paid a guard who was an absolute abomination and lost his job. He then had to cut both at the end of the year. He paid $6m for a washed up receiver. He restructured Butler rather than releasing him and he got outplayed by a former UDFA. He signed a punter who can't punt. He drafted a guy in round two who could barely get on the field. 

 

It wasn't all bad. But I wouldn't give Beane better than a C for 2021. He was an A for 2020 overall in my eyes, but I think his work last year left something to be desired. Beane is at his best when at his boldest IMO. When he gets conservative and sticks with what he knows he generally makes poorer decisions. I like that he has been bolder this offseason. That generally serves him well. 

All those combined don’t come close to losing to the Urban Meyer led Jaguars, which cost HFA and likely a Super Bowl.

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Just now, GoBills808 said:

All those combined don’t come close to losing to the Urban Meyer led Jaguars, which cost HFA and likely a Super Bowl.

 

Which was an absolute abomination of a display from the personnel Beane had collected - particularly the offensive line. 

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3 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Which was an absolute abomination of a display from the personnel Beane had collected - particularly the offensive line. 

Again, those pieces were able to perform above average both in pass pro and run block later in the year. It wasn’t magic. We lost to the Jags because of poor coaching.

 

 

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18 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I don't think he did last year. He paid a RT who struggled so poorly they had to move him to guard. He paid a guard who was an absolute abomination and lost his job. He then had to cut both at the end of the year. He paid $6m for a washed up receiver. He restructured Butler rather than releasing him and he got outplayed by a former UDFA. He signed a punter who can't punt. He drafted a guy in round two who could barely get on the field. 

 

It wasn't all bad. But I wouldn't give Beane better than a C for 2021. He was an A for 2020 overall in my eyes, but I think his work last year left something to be desired. Beane is at his best when at his boldest IMO. When he gets conservative and sticks with what he knows he generally makes poorer decisions. I like that he has been bolder this offseason. That generally serves him well. 

Were those your takes last off-season?  I agree this off-season's moves seem better than last year's but I didn't have an issue with most of last year's decisions before the season began. 

Williams played very well at RT in 2020 and I think most thought it was a good move to bring him back.

Sanders was second on the team in receiving yards and 3rd in receptions in only 14 games.  He also had the second highest YPC at 14.9 - 3 more than Diggs.  $6M for 42 receptions is a lot but hardly a terrible deal.  Oh my I almost hit Submit Reply before checking myself. The NFL page with the WR stats for Bills in 2021 no longer lists Beasley.  Factoring Beasley's numbers, Sanders was 4th in receptions and 3rd in yards but he played 2 fewer games.   

As for Feliciano, that is as much on McD as it is on Beane.  Bates was the better player and it should have been known by the coaching staff before they decided to bring back Feliciano.  Ford being a bust is holding back the OL more than the money they spent on Feliciano.

100% agree on Butler and Haack.  Butler could have been cut and brought back on vet min salary or just replaced with an UDFA.  

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2 minutes ago, Ethan in Portland said:

Were those your takes last off-season?  I agree this off-season's moves seem better than last year's but I didn't have an issue with most of last year's decisions before the season began. 

Williams played very well at RT in 2020 and I think most thought it was a good move to bring him back.

Sanders was second on the team in receiving yards and 3rd in receptions in only 14 games.  He also had the second highest YPC at 14.9 - 3 more than Diggs.  $6M for 42 receptions is a lot but hardly a terrible deal.  Oh my I almost hit Submit Reply before checking myself. The NFL page with the WR stats for Bills in 2021 no longer lists Beasley.  Factoring Beasley's numbers, Sanders was 4th in receptions and 3rd in yards but he played 2 fewer games.   

As for Feliciano, that is as much on McD as it is on Beane.  Bates was the better player and it should have been known by the coaching staff before they decided to bring back Feliciano.  Ford being a bust is holding back the OL more than the money they spent on Feliciano.

100% agree on Butler and Haack.  Butler could have been cut and brought back on vet min salary or just replaced with an UDFA.  

 

The only one of those decisions I liked at the time was Williams. I was against the rest of them. 

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9 hours ago, Greg S said:

I think McDermott goes on the hot seat if this team doesn't at least get to the Super Bowl. They have the talent to win it. The Miller signing is a "final piece" kind of move. I give McDermott credit for changing the culture of this franchise. I give him credit for 4 playoff appearances in 5 years as well as B2B AFCE titles. But that isn't good enough anymore. The Pegula's have spent a lot money and Beane has given him a roster he should win with. Its time to see the results. To me this is a Super Bowl or bust type of season. I know it won't be easy as the AFC is loaded with good teams/QB's. But if this team can stay healthy then they should be playing in Feb. IMHO

I'm an old dude. I remember back in the day after the Bills lost their third Super Bowl, by increasingly bigger margins, that Ralph firing the GM Polian rather than coach Marv Levy was stupid. I liked Marv, but still, that Bills team was rife with star players. If Marv couldn't win the SB with that roster, it made more sense to fire him than fire the man who built the roster. 

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1 hour ago, Captain Hindsight said:

 

Get a grip? Calm down Francis. I replied to you saying "I would take Payton over McD..." with my reasoning of why I wouldn't. 

 

So what exactly was your point? Since I so clearly missed it by reading you would would SP or McD

That it's not about Payton, Francis.  Duh!!  Payton has nothing to do with the point, he was an example.  Get it now?  Prob not...

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