Let's create TSW Bills draft big board - Final Conclusion: Kaiir Elam was the 5th option in TSW eyes when the Bills were picking.

[No_Matter_What]

6 minutes ago, DrDare said:

1. Jameson

2. Kenneth Walker

3. Booth

 

didnt see any of them on there so selected Davis

Williams and Booth are already on the big board, thus you cannot select them - we have already agreed that we pick them first if there is a chance. Walker isn't on the list yet since it is too soon for him to be included based on "consensus" and discussions on this site.

[No_Matter_What]

4 hours ago, Poleshifter said:

OT Trevor Penning is from Northern Iowa, not Miss State

 

Northern Iowa is OT Spencer Brown's alma mater

Yep, my bad, fixed.

[John from Riverside]

Jameson Williams was not in the poll so I went with mckduffie

[No_Matter_What]

19 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

Jameson Williams was not in the poll so I went with mckduffie

Already selected as our top pick if available (see OP). We are now voting who is next if he and Booth are both gone (in addition to all top players who are extremely unlikely to fall to us).

[RyanC883]

Going with Tyler Linderbaum here.  The best center prospect ever graded by PFF.  Former Wrestling all-star.  We need a franchise Center, can move Morse to Guard, and be ready to rock on the OL.  Gives Allen more time to pass, helps with the run as well.  

 

 

8 hours ago, OldTimer1960 said:

Linderbaum is quite undersized.  Love his wrestling background, but for that size I am not sure he is a must-pick first rounder.

 

I get that Loyd is a very good prospect and he might be interesting if no CB or top WR left.

 

I'd take Linderbaum.  He was a beast in the Big 10.  Will provide the offense with the best Center prospect they may have a chance to get during Allen's tenure.  Morse was also not great last season.  

[Buffalo716]

45 minutes ago, RyanC883 said:

Going with Tyler Linderbaum here.  The best center prospect ever graded by PFF.  Former Wrestling all-star.  We need a franchise Center, can move Morse to Guard, and be ready to rock on the OL.  Gives Allen more time to pass, helps with the run as well.  

 

 

 

I'd take Linderbaum.  He was a beast in the Big 10.  Will provide the offense with the best Center prospect they may have a chance to get during Allen's tenure.  Morse was also not great last season.  

I think linderbaum is a good prospect but not a can't miss center 

 

He's smaller in stature and has had tape where he is pushed around by bigger guys.. real 2 gappers in the NFL will have their way with him 

 

He can be a pro bowl talent in the right scheme but he needs the right system 

 

Every few years there are good prospects at the end of the first round at that position.. we will have a good amount of chances to replace Morse in the next few years

Edited April 16, 2022 by Buffalo716

[GunnerBill]

4 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:

I think linderbaum is a good prospect but not a can't miss center 

 

He's smaller in stature and has had tape where he is pushed around by bigger guys.. real 2 gappers in the NFL will have their way with him 

 

He can be a pro bowl talent in the right scheme but he needs the right system 

 

Every few years there are good prospects at the end of the first round at that position.. we will have a good amount of chances to replace Morse in the next few years

 

He needs a Shanahan stretch zone style offense.

 

The problem projecting him to the Bills is that in terms of run blocking we have never really settled on what we want to run. We started last year with more of a zone scheme and it morphed into a gap scheme as the year went on. 

[No_Matter_What]

Good morning everybody! Seems like we could add at least two more players to the board today. One more vote missing for McDuffie.

[NewEra]

20 minutes ago, No_Matter_What said:

Good morning everybody! Seems like we could add at least two more players to the board today. One more vote missing for McDuffie.

McDuffie over Olave would be a major blunder.

[No_Matter_What]

13 minutes ago, NewEra said:

McDuffie over Olave would be a major blunder.

I agree but the voters have spoken!

[NewEra]

4 minutes ago, No_Matter_What said:

I agree but the voters have spoken!

Jmo:  As the poll creator, I don’t find it advantageous for you to remind potential voters how many votes are needed for the candidates.  They have the info on the front page if they need it. 

[No_Matter_What]

3 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Jmo:  As the poll creator, I don’t find it advantageous for you to remind potential voters how many votes are needed for the candidates.  They have the info on the front page if they need it. 

You're right. I realized it as soon as you quoted me, but there was no way back since somebody already casted that 20th vote. I don't think it would've made a difference in this case since McDuffie was really missing just one more vote but I won't do it again.

Edited April 16, 2022 by No_Matter_What

[NewEra]

1 minute ago, No_Matter_What said:

You're right. I realized it as soon as you quoted me, but there was no way back since somebody already casted that 20th vote. I won't do it again.

Asterisk by the terrible pick of McDuffie over Olave.  I’d throw up in my mouth if that happened irl. 

[custcarcen]

20th vote for Olive. Go Bills!

[wppete]

If we do draft Trevor Penning, can he play RG??? Next to his boy Spencer Brown. 2 monsters with a nasty attitude would be scary. 

[GunnerBill]

1 minute ago, wppete said:

If we do draft Trevor Penning, can he play RG??? Next to his boy Spencer Brown. 2 monsters with a nasty attitude would be scary. 

 

Maybe. I think you work that out later. If he is there you pick him you don't worry about who lines up where. Long term I think he is your left tackle and Dion slides inside to left guard. But maybe you do that after 2022 when Saffold moves on.

[No_Matter_What]

Ok so now we are in the territory where it gets really interesting for me. All obvious WR/CB choices are gone, and we either take players mostly perceived as better on positions with less obvious need, or might reach a little for CB/WR. Really curious how this will end up.

 

For me its now Penning all day long. Once you have QB OL becomes single most important unit and Penning seems like a great prospect. Not taking him b/c we have Brown already seems like a weak argument to me. 

[NastyNateSoldiers]

On 4/11/2022 at 6:50 PM, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

If you use a second round pick on a player I think it should be a GIVEN that you will want to re-sign the guy if he plays well.

 

I wonder what % of people that want to draft a RB are thinking that player will be worthy of a big second contract?

 

I suspect it's low.......nobody wants to pay RB's anymore.

 

A second round pick is still one of your best shots to find an organizational difference maker.........the vast majority of pro bowlers come from rounds 1 and 2.

 

So a second rounder shouldn't be used on players that you plan from the get-go to use up and throw away........which basically describes all but the most unique RB's. 

 

On 4/15/2022 at 12:11 AM, No_Matter_What said:

The goal of this thread is to create Bills fans draft big board, i.e. an order (board) from players who could be available for our first round pick. 

 

Rules are simple. As soon as a player gets 20 votes he gets on the big board below and is removed from the poll. People who voted for chosen player can vote again. I will add more players as we will proceed.

 

I didn’t include top 10 players who have close to zero chance to get to our pick – Evan Neal, Ikem Ekwonu, Charles Cross, Aidan Hutchinson, Kayvon Thibodeaux, Travon Walker, Jermaine Johnson, Ahmad Gardner, Derek Stingley and Kyle Hamilton. We might not have a chance on couple more players but this is where I decided to draw a line. I also didn’t include any QBs from obvious reasons.

 

Board - players already selected in our voting:

1. Jameson Williams, WR, Alabama

2. Garrett Wilson, WR, Ohio State 

3. Andrew Booth, CB, Clemson

4. Trent McDuffie, CB, Washington

5. Chris Olave, WR, Ohio State

6.

7.

 

EDIT: I found out that it is technically not possible to add more than 20 options to the poll, even if you delete some previous ones. Therefore after we select next player (6th) I will add new options through "add question" option.

I voted for Daxton Hill but rather have Jalen Pitre at #25. Pitre will be a pro bowler in the NFL book it. 

[No_Matter_What]

9 hours ago, NastyNateSoldiers said:

 

I voted for Daxton Hill but rather have Jalen Pitre at #25. Pitre will be a pro bowler in the NFL book it. 

Interesting. I didn't include him so far since he is lower on "consensus" boards and I don't remember him being discussed on TSW in relation to our first round pick at all.

 

Once next player is is chosen I will try to expand list and may include him.

[JaCrispy]

My first choice is Dayton Hill, UNLESS I am able to trade Edmunds for a minimum of a top 2nd round choice...

 

In that case, I would take LB Lloyd at #25, and a CB with the pick I got for Edmunds...👍

[intimidatortj]

I am encouraged.   People are not voting for Breece Hall or Treylon Burks.

 

 

[JaCrispy]

Surprised at the Jordan Davis votes...

[intimidatortj]

1 minute ago, JaCrispy said:

Surprised at the Jordan Davis votes...

I don't mind the position, but Jordan Davis makes me a little nervous.   He has had conditioning issues in college and coaches kept him off the field at times.

The NFL plays a 17 game season.   Way longer than college...so how will stand up playing in the NFL?     We just don't know.

[MrEpsYtown]

50 minutes ago, intimidatortj said:

I don't mind the position, but Jordan Davis makes me a little nervous.   He has had conditioning issues in college and coaches kept him off the field at times.

The NFL plays a 17 game season.   Way longer than college...so how will stand up playing in the NFL?     We just don't know.

I think you are getting an elite piece of clay there. Like if he didn’t test the way he did, I wouldn’t touch him in the first round. But his height, weight, speed, length, RAS is elite. But we rotate, and there is potential there which has yet to be unlocked. If he’s there, he’s probably BPA. 

[No_Matter_What]

1 hour ago, intimidatortj said:

I am encouraged.   People are not voting for Breece Hall or Treylon Burks.

 

 

What's wrong with Burks? I think there are better options right now but I for one am surprised that he gets so few votes. But I do think that at the end of the day he will be voted to the board (if we get that far) sooner than some guys who have more votes now.

 

Anyway, really interesting how the votes are spread. Yesterday we added two players to the board, hopefully we can make the same today. But there are lots of votes spread around.

 

Thanks everyone, keep them votes coming!

[JaCrispy]

6 minutes ago, No_Matter_What said:

What's wrong with Burks? I think there are better options right now but I for one am surprised that he gets so few votes. But I do think that at the end of the day he will be voted to the board (if we get that far) sooner than some guys who have more votes now.

 

Anyway, really interesting how the votes are spread. Yesterday we added two players to the board, hopefully we can make the same today. But there are lots of votes spread around.

 

Thanks everyone, keep them votes coming!

I’m not surprised at all...Burks is overrated imo...He’s not fast, he’s not a good route runner, can’t get separation, he’s not quick twitch...I think he has major bust potential for any team that drafts him in the 1st imo...

[KOKBILLS]

Penning?...For Buffalo? Really?...

 

OK...

 

From the last group I prefer

 

1. Dax Hill

2. Kyler Gordon

3. Jahan Dotson

 

I like Watson and Pickens for Buffalo better than Penning...We Drafted 2 OT's last year. They both contributed as Rookies, and the Bills as an organization HAVE to assume they will continue to improve. That's why they drafted 2 of them...Draft and develop...That means the RT and 3rd OT spots are all but locked up. And I realize there are questions, especially with Doyle...But that kid is a top tier traits athlete (15th best OT RAS since they have been recording the stat) who was drafted for upside. He's had a full year...He has a role now. Let's see...Beane said it about CB last year. (Basically) He's not going to Draft a guy in the 1st that is not likely to play as a Rookie. Penning would have almost no chance to play much as a Rookie. Is he going to move inside and challenge Bates at OG?...I don't think he played OG at all in College...I'm not sure that's smart roster management after re-signing Bates, and I'm not sure it's a viable projection....Anyway...Carry on...

[OldTimer1960]

40 minutes ago, No_Matter_What said:

What's wrong with Burks? I think there are better options right now but I for one am surprised that he gets so few votes. But I do think that at the end of the day he will be voted to the board (if we get that far) sooner than some guys who have more votes now.

 

Anyway, really interesting how the votes are spread. Yesterday we added two players to the board, hopefully we can make the same today. But there are lots of votes spread around.

 

Thanks everyone, keep them votes coming!

My concern with Burns is that many of his plays did not involve running much of a route (just hanging around near the LOS). He might be able to develop the route running, but I don’t know that right now, so it is at least a question.

[No_Matter_What]

4 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

Penning would immediately challenge Brown for the RT spot… the infatuation with him is strange as he struggled when he played last season…. Or if he shows well he could start at LT and you slide Dawkins inside at LG… either way, he’s too good and valuable a position to pass up if by some chance he is there.

Agreed. OL was major issue last year. I don't care that they put some solid games together at the end of the season. If Penning is as good as people claim (which seems to be quite universal opinion), we just take him and figure rest later.

[GunnerBill]

1 hour ago, JaCrispy said:

I’m not surprised at all...Burks is overrated imo...He’s not fast, he’s not a good route runner, can’t get separation, he’s not quick twitch...I think he has major bust potential for any team that drafts him in the 1st imo...

 

I don't love him as a fit for the Bills but I do think Burks is a first round talent. His elite trait is his YAC ability IMO. He is outstanding with the ball in his hands. He is a slightly less polished CeeDee Lamb.

[No_Matter_What]

@NewEra just put Penning on board with 20th vote. I'll update OP in a minute.

[GunnerBill]

Think at this point I'd struggle to pass on Devin Lloyd. 

[No_Matter_What]

On 4/15/2022 at 12:32 AM, mannc said:

Add Christian Watson, please.  The Bills are far more likely to draft him than any RB, IOL or DT in round 1.

 

On 4/15/2022 at 2:26 AM, TAinLA said:

Roger McCreary - Auburn disserves consideration also.

 

19 hours ago, NastyNateSoldiers said:

 

I voted for Daxton Hill but rather have Jalen Pitre at #25. Pitre will be a pro bowler in the NFL book it. 

Your guys are on the updated list folks.

 

Also, for everybody, it is in the OP and also in 2nd question, but to make sure:

 

Poll allows only 20 options (and we started with 20 players), so in order to add players I had to add new question. But poll obviously remains only one, so please select only one player from COMPLETE list. 

 

I am saying this because technically it is now possible to select one player from each question (and I can't do anything with that).

Edited April 17, 2022 by No_Matter_What

[NewEra]

It will only register my votes i choose one of each poll

[No_Matter_What]

6 minutes ago, NewEra said:

It will only register my votes i choose one of each poll

Oops I see. That really sucks  And I don't see how to work around it. @Hapless Bills Fan any idea? If I don't figure something out I will probably just delete that second question since as it is it will skew the results. Hmm

[No_Matter_What]

Ok so I cannot work around forum software as I intended. I copy paste what I just explained in OP.

 

You can have only 20 options in one poll question. As the time went on I wanted to add players, so I had to add another question. However, in such case everyone was forced to pick a player in both questions, which was not what I intended and would skew the results. So I deleted second question. Anyway, I think that at least 3-4 next players would be in any case chosen from the original list. Therefore, I will keep the list as is for the 3-4 next players, and then I create complete new one (so voting will restart completely).

 

Sorry for the confusion.

 

@NewEra thanks for pointing that out.

 

Keep on voting!

[Hapless Bills Fan]

20 minutes ago, No_Matter_What said:

Oops I see. That really sucks  And I don't see how to work around it. @Hapless Bills Fan any idea? If I don't figure something out I will probably just delete that second question since as it is it will skew the results. Hmm

 

This is way above my pay grade.  It's an @SDS question

Sorry!

 

 

 

[Hermes]

3 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

Penning would immediately challenge Brown for the RT spot… the infatuation with him is strange as he struggled when he played last season…. Or if he shows well he could start at LT and you slide Dawkins inside at LG… either way, he’s too good and valuable a position to pass up if by some chance he is there.

I really like the idea of sliding Dawkins over to LG and having Penning start on the left side. You then have a solid battle at RG with Saffold and Bates. So long as Brown gets better, that line is much improved from last season. Then every year add high ceiling prospects to fill out depth and push starters

[Buffalo716]

18 minutes ago, Hermes said:

I really like the idea of sliding Dawkins over to LG and having Penning start on the left side. You then have a solid battle at RG with Saffold and Bates. So long as Brown gets better, that line is much improved from last season. Then every year add high ceiling prospects to fill out depth and push starters

If Dawkins is sliding anywhere it would be to RT if they got a true stalwart LT 

 

They aren't moving their LT they just paid to Guard... Besides you don't move a top 10 LT to guard

 

 

[GunnerBill]

@No_Matter_What - Lloyd has 20