cage Posted March 7, 2022 Share Posted March 7, 2022 The video of Allen's second start and famous upset of the Vikings popped up on my YouTube feed. I hadn't seen these highlights in a long time, but it got me thinking about young QBs. Lots of teams are wondering or hoping the can get the next Josh Allen, with the common refrain that he "sucked" his rookie season, but then steadily improved to become what he's been in year 3/4. Admittedly his stats weren't off the charts that first season. But looking at these game highlights his affect goes way beyond hurdling Barr, it shows all the ingredients of the guy we see today. These highlights don't look all that different from a game he might have had this season. While not every game looked like this as a rookie, he also had impressive games against the Jaguars and two against the Dolphins where won AFC Player of the Week to close the season. So teams can think they have the next JA17, but he looked impressive right from that first season.... 7 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBBills Posted March 7, 2022 Share Posted March 7, 2022 (edited) Colin Cowherd said this about Tua when looking at his rookie year. He said something to the effect of, Just look at Josh Allen's rookie tape and it's full of ooooo's and ahhhh's and wtf did he just do excitement. Look at Tua's rookie tape and it's 4 minutes of mediocre football followed by 12min of Fitz. Edited March 7, 2022 by TBBills 4 12 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted March 7, 2022 Share Posted March 7, 2022 Hurdling Barr and the Superman dive to the pylon while outrunning LBs was eye opening to me in that game. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted March 7, 2022 Share Posted March 7, 2022 Saw a highlights video someone made going back to college to the present and Allen has consistently had a very similar play style the entire duration. He's gotten better at it/plays more consistently at that level, but he's always had times where he plays like he does now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted March 7, 2022 Share Posted March 7, 2022 8 minutes ago, Big Turk said: Hurdling Barr and the Superman dive to the pylon while outrunning LBs was eye opening to me in that game. I wonder if he could outrun Trumaine Edwards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted March 7, 2022 Share Posted March 7, 2022 9 minutes ago, TBBills said: Colin Cowherd said this about Tua when looking at his rookie year. He said something to the effect of, Just look at Josh Allen's rookie tape and it's full of ooooo's and ahhhh's and wtf did he just do excitement. Look at Tua's rookie tape and it's 4 minutes of mediocre football followed by 12min of Fitz. Right - like... Allen struggled with protection of a bad oline, and rookie pocket presence issues. He'd miss some easy throws, didn't know when to take something off his fastball. Traditional rookie issues. But the flashes were definitely there, deep throws, tight window throws, buying time and throwing strikes, the running ability etc. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Vader Posted March 7, 2022 Share Posted March 7, 2022 1 minute ago, dneveu said: Right - like... Allen struggled with protection of a bad oline, and rookie pocket presence issues. He'd miss some easy throws, didn't know when to take something off his fastball. Traditional rookie issues. But the flashes were definitely there, deep throws, tight window throws, buying time and throwing strikes, the running ability etc. How in the world did Allen survive behind that 2018 O-Line? Allen as a rookie, looked like a rookie. Still, he was entertaining and fun to watch. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philly McButterpants Posted March 7, 2022 Share Posted March 7, 2022 Why the heck was that a Nance/Romo game?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted March 7, 2022 Share Posted March 7, 2022 (edited) 38 minutes ago, cage said: The video of Allen's second start and famous upset of the Vikings popped up on my YouTube feed. I hadn't seen these highlights in a long time, but it got me thinking about young QBs. Lots of teams are wondering or hoping the can get the next Josh Allen, with the common refrain that he "sucked" his rookie season, but then steadily improved to become what he's been in year 3/4. Admittedly his stats weren't off the charts that first season. But looking at these game highlights his affect goes way beyond hurdling Barr, it shows all the ingredients of the guy we see today. These highlights don't look all that different from a game he might have had this season. While not every game looked like this as a rookie, he also had impressive games against the Jaguars and two against the Dolphins where won AFC Player of the Week to close the season. So teams can think they have the next JA17, but he looked impressive right from that first season.... Here is what I know, 100% without a shadow of a doubt. Anyone who says Allen sucked his rookie year 100% did NOT watch him actually play his rookie year. Allen had some big moments in his rookie year, things that made you think this kid has something special in him. But most importantly, Allen looked like a completely different QB after he returned from injury, which also showed a big jump in development in a short window. As soon as I see anyone suggest he was terrible his rookie year, I immediately know this is not someone whose football opinion is worth hearing. They are more interested in confirmation bias conclusions than actual analysis of real play on the field. Edited March 7, 2022 by Alphadawg7 2 6 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ya Digg? Posted March 7, 2022 Share Posted March 7, 2022 You can see the work Josh has put in since the rookie year, just from a mechanics standpoint. Looking at how he was throwing in that game compared to how he throws now - his footwork, arm angles, all of that stuff have come a really long way! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted March 7, 2022 Share Posted March 7, 2022 1 minute ago, Mark Vader said: How in the world did Allen survive behind that 2018 O-Line? Allen as a rookie, looked like a rookie. Still, he was entertaining and fun to watch. Passing to Holmes, Benjamin, Jones, Foster, Clay, Croom, and Ivory. On the line you had Dawkins, Ducasse, Bodine, Miller, Mills. Throw in Some Ryan Groy, and Wyatt Teller's rookie year. Don't judge a player who is without weapons and protection. I'd say the one who gets the pass this year is probably lawrence. Wilson looked so thoroughly unimpressive for me to consider there - the 10.3% sack rate indicates a bad line, but also that he doesn't know what he's doing. Most of their best offensive outputs had Mike White, Josh Johnson, or Flacco starting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Romes Posted March 7, 2022 Share Posted March 7, 2022 I could not believe how incredible his pocket sensing ability was right from the start. A major ingredient to great quarterbacking and something the draftniks never keyed on. He has eyes in back of his head. He’s basically great at everything you can ask a quarterback to do. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted March 7, 2022 Share Posted March 7, 2022 21 minutes ago, Gugny said: I wonder if he could outrun Trumaine Edwards. Who’s Trumaine Edwards? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted March 7, 2022 Share Posted March 7, 2022 31 minutes ago, Big Turk said: Hurdling Barr and the Superman dive to the pylon while outrunning LBs was eye opening to me in that game. The Superman dive with Josh smiling into the PylonCam was the exact moment that I knew, at long last, we had our guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Low Positive Posted March 7, 2022 Share Posted March 7, 2022 9 minutes ago, Philly McButterpants said: Why the heck was that a Nance/Romo game?? The Vikings were supposed to be really good that year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted March 7, 2022 Share Posted March 7, 2022 7 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: Here is what I know, 100% without a shadow of a doubt. Anyone who says Allen sucked his rookie year 100% did NOT watch him actually play his rookie year. Allen had some big moments in his rookie year, things that made you think this kid has something special in him. But most importantly, Allen looked like a completely different QB after he returned from injury, which also showed a big jump in development in a short window. As soon as I see anyone suggest he was terrible his rookie year, I immediately know this is not someone whose football opinion is worth hearing. They are more interested in confirmation bias conclusions than actual analysis of real play on the field. Before the 2020 season there was some sports show debate about who would be the best QB in the AFC East with Brady gone and Todd Mcshay basically mocking Mel Kiper for saying Josh Allen and refusing to believe Kiper had watched every snap of his. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted March 7, 2022 Share Posted March 7, 2022 10 minutes ago, Don Otreply said: Who’s Trumaine Edwards? Exactly! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted March 7, 2022 Share Posted March 7, 2022 19 minutes ago, Warcodered said: Before the 2020 season there was some sports show debate about who would be the best QB in the AFC East with Brady gone and Todd Mcshay basically mocking Mel Kiper for saying Josh Allen and refusing to believe Kiper had watched every snap of his. Hahaha yup, I remember this debate vividly, seen it a bunch, its priceless. And the first thing I said when I saw it the first time is that there are 2 guys here, only one has actually watched Allen truly play, and its glaringly obvious who it is. Hint: Wasn't McShay haha. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted March 7, 2022 Share Posted March 7, 2022 28 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: Here is what I know, 100% without a shadow of a doubt. Anyone who says Allen sucked his rookie year 100% did NOT watch him actually play his rookie year. Allen had some big moments in his rookie year, things that made you think this kid has something special in him. But most importantly, Allen looked like a completely different QB after he returned from injury, which also showed a big jump in development in a short window. As soon as I see anyone suggest he was terrible his rookie year, I immediately know this is not someone whose football opinion is worth hearing. They are more interested in confirmation bias conclusions than actual analysis of real play on the field. Not to mention he was surrounded by offensive players that, collectively, were the worst in the NFL and historically bad. The fact that Allen showed so many flashes of what was to come, and actually improved throughout the year (and, as you say, particularly after coming back from the injury) with that offense is remarkable. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted March 7, 2022 Share Posted March 7, 2022 7 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: Hahaha yup, I remember this debate vividly, seen it a bunch, its priceless. And the first thing I said when I saw it the first time is that there are 2 guys here, only one has actually watched Allen truly play, and its glaringly obvious who it is. Hint: Wasn't McShay haha. it annoyed the crap out of me when he acted like Kiper watching every snap was ridiculous, I mean it's literally part of his job. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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