Your Mock Off-Season?

[Magox]

29 minutes ago, elijah said:

I would love to bring back Wallace personally, and my saying to let him walk is no way an indictment of him. I just think in Tre’s absence other teams may have went from seeing him as a low cost #2 as you’re saying, up to a low cost #1. I don’t see Wallace taking any less than 3yrs/$27M, and realistically he may be more in the 3yrs/$33M range 

You may be right, personally I think he is a $8-$10M a year DB.

 

I know many on this board don't believe he's that good, but he has been good.

[NewEra]

13 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

The offseason should be about sacrificing depth and cap space for top end talent. Go get two dynamic play makers on both sides of the ball no matter the cost. Preferably a dominate pass rusher and a dynamic WR. 

 
You want to add 2 dynamic playmakers or you want to add 2 dynamic playmakers on both sides of the ball?

 

if it’s the latter, this is some sort of set up post for the future so you can say Beane failed.  There’s little to no chance of us adding 4 dynamic playmakers this offseason unless we get really lucky in the draft.  We have very little cap room and in order to make cap room we’ll have to release players that need to be replaced.  It’s just not feasible without a lot of luck involved.  

13 hours ago, elijah said:

Bates is an RFA, it’s similar to how we were able to keep Levi Wallace on such a cheap deal this past year. 

 

We have all the control on that Bates contract, so not only did he show up and perform and help to improve our OL, but he was on a great value deal and will continue to be on a great value deal moving forward

No, Levi wasn’t tendered and was a UFA. No one wanted him.  
 

https://billswire.usatoday.com/2021/03/15/buffalo-bills-wont-tender-levi-wallace-contract-josh-norman-2021-nfl-free-agency/

[NewEra]

12 hours ago, Ethan in Portland said:

OP nice work.  Beane will need to make choices.  He has wasted millions of dollars on FA DL and I just can't see him making that same mistake again.  He got younger at DE and between Rousseau and Basham along with Hughes they have a solid nucleus.  This team played great when the OL played better. The Chiefs spent heavily on the OL and Beane needs to do the same.  I've posted many times I like Wallace at CB#2 (even after that last play).  They could do a lot worse than Wallace opposite White.  But I'm drafting another DB in the second round.  

 

1. Bring back Wallace, H. Phillips, Trubisky. Try to bring back Hughes and Neal on vet minimum deals. Keep Beasley. 

2. Cut Star, Williams, Gilliam, and Matakevich

3. Agree on letting everyone else walk.  

4. Move Edmunds to DE

5. Spend FA dollars on an elite guard and Zach Ertz

6. Trade out of the first round and get an extra second round and fourth in 2022 and a 3rd in 2023.  Draft value chart Pick 25 = 720 pts Mid to high 2nd is 450-550, mid to high fourth is 100, and 3rd next year is another 100 or so.  The value lines up reasonably well.  

7. Use Epenesa in the draft to move up from the third to the second round - this gives them 3 second round picks, and two fourth rounders and rids them of Epenesa

8. Draft in no particular order - C/G, NT, CB, DE, MLB, S, WR.  

9. Try to snag a relatively cheap veteran DB and DE

10. If Trubisky signs elsewhere, then target Fitz or just draft a developmental QB in the mid-rounds to hold the clipboard. If Allen gets hurt for multiple games the season is lost anyways.  

 

 

Ethan……stop.  Edmunds will NEVER be a DE.  Have you ever seen him beat an OL in any fashion?  He gets blocked and he stays blocked.  He has no pass rush moves.  He has very little power (especially for a DE).  He lacks explosiveness off the snap.  It’s really just the dumbest idea ever.  Like in forever.

[SCBills]

13 minutes ago, NewEra said:

 
You want to add 2 dynamic playmakers or you want to add 2 dynamic playmakers on both sides of the ball?

 

if it’s the latter, this is some sort of set up post for the future so you can say Beane failed.  There’s little to no chance of us adding 4 dynamic playmakers this offseason unless we get really lucky in the draft.  We have very little cap room and in order to make cap room we’ll have to release players that need to be replaced.  It’s just not feasible without a lot of luck involved.  

 

I think we can add 3 difference makers total by clearing out some depth.

 

Let everyone walk aside from Bates and Harry.  Sign/trade for a weapon in FA...EDGE or WR.  Draft a CB in RD1.  Draft a WR in RD2.  

 

 

Edited January 25, 2022 by SCBills

[NewEra]

19 minutes ago, SCBills said:

 

I think we can add 3 difference makers total by clearing out some depth.

 

Let everyone walk aside from Bates and Harry.  Sign/trade for a weapon in FA...EDGE or WR.  Draft a CB in RD1.  Draft a WR in RD2.  

 

 

Like I said. You’d have to be extremely lucky to draft two “dynamic playmakers” in rd 1 and 2.  That’s not my opinion, it’s a fact.  

[BuffaloRebound]

Fournette, Gronk (cut Beasley), Calais Campbell (cut Star), and Chandler Jones in free agency.  The only guy who will be big ticket is Jones, but he comes on ring-chasing discount.  

Draft a WR or CB in Round 1, draft best IOL in Round 2, draft Edmunds eventual replacement in Round 3.  

[GunnerBill]

Surprised more people are not hearing the Morse retirement rumours. Two different and totally unconnected people have passed it on to me. Now of course they could just be rumours. But it shouldn't be taken as a given that Mitch is back. 

7 minutes ago, BuffaloRebound said:

Fournette, Gronk (cut Beasley), Calais Campbell (cut Star), and Chandler Jones in free agency.  The only guy who will be big ticket is Jones, but he comes on ring-chasing discount.  

Draft a WR or CB in Round 1, draft best IOL in Round 2, draft Edmunds eventual replacement in Round 3.  

 

He has his ring. Normally the guys willing to take a ring chasing discount don't have one. 

[BuffaloRebound]

2 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

 

He has his ring. Normally the guys willing to take a ring chasing discount don't have one. 

True, but he’s also already made $100m.  

[NewEra]

2 hours ago, elijah said:

I would love to bring back Wallace personally, and my saying to let him walk is no way an indictment of him. I just think in Tre’s absence other teams may have went from seeing him as a low cost #2 as you’re saying, up to a low cost #1. I don’t see Wallace taking any less than 3yrs/$27M, and realistically he may be more in the 3yrs/$33M range 

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/levi-wallace-25587/market-value/
 

who knows what nfl GMs will offer but his market value according to spotrac is 5.7M.

 

the league knows he’s a zone corner that is much for susceptible to big plays when in man.  They also know that we have Poyer and Hyde backing him up while they play in McDs scheme.  He was a great fit this season….but he’s not a 10M aav corner.  I say 5-7M max.

[GunnerBill]

12 minutes ago, BuffaloRebound said:

True, but he’s also already made $100m.  

 

I just said it in the shoutbox that Cam Jordan if the Saints have to cut him is a possible cheap 1 year deal ring chaser. He might take like 1 year $3-4m and some incentives to chase a ring. 

[BADOLBILZ]

18 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

Surprised more people are not hearing the Morse retirement rumours. Two different and totally unconnected people have passed it on to me. Now of course they could just be rumours. But it shouldn't be taken as a given that Mitch is back. 

 

 

 

I think if Morse leaves then Bates finally gets the gig he was groomed for.

 

Based on how he played at LG...........I think we will be pleased with him at C.

 

Morse $7.5M cap saving aligns perfectly with the PFF projection for Andrew Norwell........3 year @ $7.5M aav.

[elijah]

5 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I just said it in the shoutbox that Cam Jordan if the Saints have to cut him is a possible cheap 1 year deal ring chaser. He might take like 1 year $3-4m and some incentives to chase a ring. 

107 sacks Cam Jordan? Double digit sacks in 4 of the last 5 years Cam Jordan? Still in his prime Cam Jordan? Currently making $17M a year Cam Jordan? 

 

I love the idea, but his skill AND his production level are among the ELITE edge rushers in the NFL. If Cam Jordan got cut, he might be looking to get a raise and still go ring chasing. 

 

I can’t see Jordan signing for anything less than 2yr/$30M and his price tag would realistically actually even be higher. 

[MWK]

3 hours ago, SCBills said:

 

How is that "nothing different".

 

-Keeps the OL starting 5 (and Doyle) together, while adding a RD3 & RD4 IOL as depth/challenge for starting spots.

 

-Cut Beasley, let Sanders & McKenzie walk.  Sign an upgrade at WR in FA and Draft a WR in RD2.

 

-TE/RB, yes, similar, with an added late draft pick for depth/competition

 

-DL, It's time for the young guys to step up.  We laid the groundwork for this coming year in last year's draft.

 

-LB, the same

 

-S, the same

 

-CB, White comes back, Johnson in the slot, Jackson/Lewis as depth, with a RD1 Pick (Kaiir Elam/Trent McDuffie)

 

This gives us an improved OL, improved WR room and elite level Secondary, while sacrificing some roster depth and rotational talent.

 

 

 

 

You replace the D-line with inferior players (as much as I dislike Hughes and Addison). Epenesa? He hasn't done jack ***** in two years. A 6th rounder? Basham? How do you expect to get pressure with those guys? You replace Beasley and Sanders, which is a change, possibly for the better. Other than that there are no changes. How do you expect to be better that way?

Edited January 25, 2022 by MWK

[BuffaloRebound]

2 minutes ago, elijah said:

107 sacks Cam Jordan? Double digit sacks in 4 of the last 5 years Cam Jordan? Still in his prime Cam Jordan? Currently making $17M a year Cam Jordan? 

 

I love the idea, but his skill AND his production level are among the ELITE edge rushers in the NFL. If Cam Jordan got cut, he might be looking to get a raise and still go ring chasing. 

 

I can’t see Jordan signing for anything less than 2yr/$30M and his price tag would realistically actually even be higher. 

We need a dude like that on the Edge to get to the promised land.  Hughes and Addison were making close to $15m combined.  Give it to 1 dude like Cam Jordan or Chandler Jones.  

[BADOLBILZ]

2 hours ago, NewEra said:

Ethan……stop.  Edmunds will NEVER be a DE.  Have you ever seen him beat an OL in any fashion?  He gets blocked and he stays blocked.  He has no pass rush moves.  He has very little power (especially for a DE).  He lacks explosiveness off the snap.  It’s really just the dumbest idea ever.  Like in forever.

 

 

The ship has likely sailed on him being a DE..............but an OLB is still a possibility.     I liked what I saw from him on the edge against SF last season and the plays he was making as a rookie when he was on a bad team and didn't yet know his responsibilities as the MLB in this bend but don't break defense.      Put him in position to run to the ball.  

 

Even if he had been better as a MLB I wouldn't want to pay $15M or more per year unless he was GREAT and it only takes one team to give him a raise from his now ludicrous $13M guaranteed deal next year.

[elijah]

2 hours ago, Magox said:

You may be right, personally I think he is a $8-$10M a year DB.

 

I know many on this board don't believe he's that good, but he has been good.

When I was saying 3yr/$27M I was implying $9M/year for a total of $27M, so we’re in agreement on that. 

 

With everything else that has to get done this offseason, I just can’t justify $9M/year for Levi, when we’re looking for more athleticism in the secondary as it is. He’s a great CB and one that ordinarily I would pound to keep on the roster, but in an offseason where we’re tight on the cap we can actually upgrade athletically and lower the cap hit of the position. I think that’s the route you have to go, more by way of your hand getting forced than by choice. 

 

This is also in addition to already having large contracts tied up in the secondary between Tre, Micah, Poyer and even Taron Johnson now. 

4 minutes ago, BuffaloRebound said:

We need a dude like that on the Edge to get to the promised land.  Hughes and Addison were making close to $15m combined.  Give it to 1 dude like Cam Jordan or Chandler Jones.  

I’m not saying that I wouldn’t give $15M to a guy like Jones or Jordan, I actually outlined that in my own plan in the OP. I think a move like that would be huge for this team, provided that it’s a short term 1 or 2 year deal. 
 

I was more saying to suggest that Cam Jordan might get cut and then sign somewhere for $3-$4M is an absurd pipe dream

[SCBills]

7 minutes ago, MWK said:

 

You replace the D-line with inferior players (as much as I dislike Hughes and Addison). Epenesa? He hasn't done jack ***** in two years. A 6th rounder? Basham? How do you expect to get pressure with those guys? You replace Beasley and Sanders, which is a change, possibly for the better. Other than that there are no changes. How do you expect to be better that way?

 

You expect that Rousseau, Basham and Epenesa would get better...

 

That's why you drafted them, no?

 

Tre White and say, Kaiir Elam against KC in the Playoffs next year is light years better than what we threw at them Sunday.  

 

Guess what... We have an elite QB, and the bill that comes due for that.  Can't have veteran guys all over the place... you have to hope your draft picks hit, and continue to improve.  

 

Our DL tallied exactly zero sacks on Mahomes Sunday.  The lone sack came from him running out bounds 2 yards behind the LOS.  What would you like to do?... spend a massive portion of our cap on an aging pass rusher?  Or should we hope the young guys improve, and bolster our secondary opposite White, where there typically are Day 1 starters available end of the 1st Round.  

 

On Offense, we bring back Allen's OL, draft some young guys to back up/push them, and then swap out Beasley and Sanders for two more explosive players... one in FA and one in the Draft.

 

That team seems much improved to me, in terms of what we can realistically do. 

[Magox]

21 minutes ago, elijah said:

When I was saying 3yr/$27M I was implying $9M/year for a total of $27M, so we’re in agreement on that. 

 

With everything else that has to get done this offseason, I just can’t justify $9M/year for Levi, when we’re looking for more athleticism in the secondary as it is. He’s a great CB and one that ordinarily I would pound to keep on the roster, but in an offseason where we’re tight on the cap we can actually upgrade athletically and lower the cap hit of the position. I think that’s the route you have to go, more by way of your hand getting forced than by choice. 

 

This is also in addition to already having large contracts tied up in the secondary between Tre, Micah, Poyer and even Taron Johnson now. 

I’m not saying that I wouldn’t give $15M to a guy like Jones or Jordan, I actually outlined that in my own plan in the OP. I think a move like that would be huge for this team, provided that it’s a short term 1 or 2 year deal. 
 

I was more saying to suggest that Cam Jordan might get cut and then sign somewhere for $3-$4M is an absurd pipe dream

I agree, if the market puts him above $6m a year, I don't think the Bills will sign him....Dane Jackson looks like he would be the eventual replacement and would expect the Bills to use one or two draft picks to pick up a DB to replace Wallace if he were to leave.

[947]

I don't get all the love for signing Gronk, we aren't going to start featuring 2-TE sets. Would we really want to take Knox off the field? While Gronk is a still a savage blocker, he's nowhere near the athlete he once was. Knox is a major weapon, and one of the most athletic TEs in the league. We definitely do need to add a TE2, but more of a backup to Knox.

[BullBuchanan]

4 hours ago, elijah said:

I just can’t get behind cutting Beasley. I know the fans assume he’s a headache for the front office, but we’ve actually never heard McDermott or anyone else for that matter say anything. The closest to it was way back in preseason when McD said he wishes all of the guys were vaccinated. Outside of that, the team has done absolutely nothing to hint at all that he’s disrupting anything behind the scenes. 

 

For $7M, who else are you going to find that can produce 82 catches & 830 yards for you? (Beasley’s average with Bills). Not only that, but without Beasley WR is suddenly a need, and not just in need of a contributor but also our 4th & 5th depth guys as well. 

 

You’d be going from Diggs, Beasley, Sanders, Davis & McKenzie down to just Diggs & Davis. You’re about needing to add 3 more receivers at that point. 

 

I think his production for the offense & value far outweighs the $7M that could be saved. 

 

He got on the bad side of some fans this year, but from a football standpoint keeping Beasley on the roster should be a no-brainer 

I don't like him as a person, but cutting him is strictly a football move. He's in decline and doesnt justify his cap space. His contract was designed for the bills to cut him this year, and I fully expect them to.

[BuffaloRebound]

10 minutes ago, 947 said:

I don't get all the love for signing Gronk, we aren't going to start featuring 2-TE sets. Would we really want to take Knox off the field? While Gronk is a still a savage blocker, he's nowhere near the athlete he once was. Knox is a major weapon, and one of the most athletic TEs in the league. We definitely do need to add a TE2, but more of a backup to Knox.

I don’t think you take knox off the field.  You take Doyle, Gilliam and Beasley’s snaps and give them to Gronk.  

[Alphadawg7]

I cant take any thread or mock seriously that doesn't list Levi as a priority signing.  He will be a high priority free agent signing, and probably the highest priority in our FO to retain.  Especially with Tre White recovering from injury. 

 

Levi had a very good year...its time people give him his credit.

Edited January 25, 2022 by Alphadawg7

[GunnerBill]

1 hour ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

I think if Morse leaves then Bates finally gets the gig he was groomed for.

 

Based on how he played at LG...........I think we will be pleased with him at C.

 

Morse $7.5M cap saving aligns perfectly with the PFF projection for Andrew Norwell........3 year @ $7.5M aav.

 

This is not the worst scenario I could imagine!

 

And then they should draft a developmental center on day 3.

1 hour ago, elijah said:

107 sacks Cam Jordan? Double digit sacks in 4 of the last 5 years Cam Jordan? Still in his prime Cam Jordan? Currently making $17M a year Cam Jordan? 

 

I love the idea, but his skill AND his production level are among the ELITE edge rushers in the NFL. If Cam Jordan got cut, he might be looking to get a raise and still go ring chasing. 

 

I can’t see Jordan signing for anything less than 2yr/$30M and his price tag would realistically actually even be higher. 

 

I don't think he gets anywhere near $15m AAV. But he might want a multi year deal. And there is ring chasing and then ring chasing. Do you wanna go somewhere to compete..... or go somewhere where you have a very real shot at winning? 

[NewEra]

1 hour ago, ScottLaw said:

I’m perplexed why fans want to continue to load up on defense considering this regime had done it off-season and off-season, ultimately ending up in failure.

Preferably one defensively(CB/pass rusher)and one offensively.(WR) 

 

If the Rams can continue to add star after star, the Bills can find a way as well.  … I think Beane has to stop worrying about “signing their own” and focus in bringing in better veteran established talent…. Really the only FA they should be worried about is Oliver and maybe Davis going forward considering they already extended the one guy who carries the franchise to wins season after season. 

Copy that.  I agree.  1 dynamic playmaker on each side of the ball should be a priority. 👍🏻 

 

I know you want to go all in like the Rams.  It’s just unlikely imo.  Long term, sustained success is their mantra.  Now that we have 17, that will be a much easier task.  I’d love to see us go “almost all in” if that’s a thing.   1 different coaching decision likely would’ve gotten us a SB this year with this team.  We’re that close, we don’t have to mortgage the future to win now.  It might give us a better chance, but sustained long term success will always be in the back of Beanes head imo.    
 

regarding our future FAs, I agree about Oliver and Davis, but would add Knox to the  mix.  He might be too pricey now, but regardless of his drop last game, the guy has turned into everything we had hoped him to be and then some.  He’s the best TE we’ve ever had imo.  Sadly. 
 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[NewEra]

1 hour ago, SCBills said:

 

You expect that Rousseau, Basham and Epenesa would get better...

 

That's why you drafted them, no?

 

Tre White and say, Kaiir Elam against KC in the Playoffs next year is light years better than what we threw at them Sunday.  

 

Guess what... We have an elite QB, and the bill that comes due for that.  Can't have veteran guys all over the place... you have to hope your draft picks hit, and continue to improve.  

 

Our DL tallied exactly zero sacks on Mahomes Sunday.  The lone sack came from him running out bounds 2 yards behind the LOS.  What would you like to do?... spend a massive portion of our cap on an aging pass rusher?  Or should we hope the young guys improve, and bolster our secondary opposite White, where there typically are Day 1 starters available end of the 1st Round.  

 

On Offense, we bring back Allen's OL, draft some young guys to back up/push them, and then swap out Beasley and Sanders for two more explosive players... one in FA and one in the Draft.

 

That team seems much improved to me, in terms of what we can realistically do. 

Maybe I missed a specific player named in a previous post, but which aging pass rusher would cost a massive portion of our cap?  Hughes?  Addison is under contract for 2M next year or we can cut him and save 2M.  Jerry isn’t going to cost a massive portion of our cap.  
 

If Rousseau, Basham and Epenesa are our top 3 DEs next year, we’re in big trouble.  Not sure how you would be ok with that.  Doesn’t matter that you hope that they get better.  What if they don’t get better?  Epenesa and Basham have big question marks still. Rousseau was great vs the run, but his pass rush was meh.  Addison and Hughes were easily our best two pass rushing DEs this season.  And you propose we replace them with Basham and Aj?  If that’s the plan and they don’t get markedly better, you just threw the entire season in the dumpster.  

[billsfan714]

All defense, the schedule next year isnt a bunch of scrub QBs, going to be way more difficult.  If Morse retires draft a C in rd 2-3.

[MWK]

Changes must be made. The only things different from last season to this season were adding Sanders, Rousseau, and Basham. Look how that went for us. Changes must be made, starting with cuts. Feliciano, Beasley, Klein, and Matakevich, among others must go. We can’t just hope for improvement and call it good. We don’t have to rebuild the team, but if some changes and smart signings aren’t made we will be in for another disappointment. 

2 hours ago, SCBills said:

 

You expect that Rousseau, Basham and Epenesa would get better...

 

That's why you drafted them, no?

 

Tre White and say, Kaiir Elam against KC in the Playoffs next year is light years better than what we threw at them Sunday.  

 

Guess what... We have an elite QB, and the bill that comes due for that.  Can't have veteran guys all over the place... you have to hope your draft picks hit, and continue to improve.  

 

Our DL tallied exactly zero sacks on Mahomes Sunday.  The lone sack came from him running out bounds 2 yards behind the LOS.  What would you like to do?... spend a massive portion of our cap on an aging pass rusher?  Or should we hope the young guys improve, and bolster our secondary opposite White, where there typically are Day 1 starters available end of the 1st Round.  

 

On Offense, we bring back Allen's OL, draft some young guys to back up/push them, and then swap out Beasley and Sanders for two more explosive players... one in FA and one in the Draft.

 

That team seems much improved to me, in terms of what we can realistically do. 

 

What makes you think they will be so much better? Epenesa and Basham were inactive for half the games and Rousseau was just ok. If we don’t get some other guys we are in trouble.

[iccrewman112]

2 hours ago, elijah said:

 

I was more saying to suggest that Cam Jordan might get cut and then sign somewhere for $3-$4M is an absurd pipe dream

with Payton stepping down call the Saints now and trade something for Cam Jordan. With the understood agreement of a restructure.

[NewEra]

2 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

The ship has likely sailed on him being a DE..............but an OLB is still a possibility.     I liked what I saw from him on the edge against SF last season and the plays he was making as a rookie when he was on a bad team and didn't yet know his responsibilities as the MLB in this bend but don't break defense.      Put him in position to run to the ball.  

 

Even if he had been better as a MLB I wouldn't want to pay $15M or more per year unless he was GREAT and it only takes one team to give him a raise from his now ludicrous $13M guaranteed deal next year.

Agreed that OLB is likely his best position.  That said, is Milano capable of playing MLB?  If not, there’s no reason to move edmunds to OLB.  

[Process]

1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

 

This is not the worst scenario I could imagine!

 

And then they should draft a developmental center on day 3.

 

I don't think he gets anywhere near $15m AAV. But he might want a multi year deal. And there is ring chasing and then ring chasing. Do you wanna go somewhere to compete..... or go somewhere where you have a very real shot at winning? 

JJ Watt got $28M over 2 years and gets injured every time he steps on a football field.

 

Cam Jordan just had a 12.5 sack season. 

 

I see zero reason why he would get less money.

[BADOLBILZ]

1 minute ago, NewEra said:

Agreed that OLB is likely his best position.  That said, is Milano capable of playing MLB?  If not, there’s no reason to move edmunds to OLB.  

 

 

Put him at OLB.........get another MLB........specifically DeVondre Campbell 2 years @ $6.5M aav...........and play a lot more base 4-3.

 

If Edmunds doesn't overwhelm as an OLB(likely but you never know) then let him walk in 2023.

 

[NewEra]

10 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Put him at OLB.........get another MLB........specifically DeVondre Campbell 2 years @ $6.5M aav...........and play a lot more base 4-3.

 

If Edmunds doesn't overwhelm as an OLB(likely but you never know) then let him walk in 2023.

 

We just paid Taron 7.5M a year.  Most likely because they plan on him playing 80%+ of the snaps. Do you really think that McD would transition to a 4-3?  Idk man

[BADOLBILZ]

2 minutes ago, NewEra said:

We just paid Taron 7.5M a year.  Most likely because they plan on him playing 80%+ of the snaps. Do you really think that McD would transition to a 4-3?  Idk man

 

You say that like they didn't sign Johnson with AJ Klein under contract for $6.5M in 2021 and $5.5M in 2022.

 

Klein is a nice part-timer player for a $2M-$3M million...........he might even actually be "fine" as the teams MLB next year because he makes up for his lack of range in the pass game with big plays...........but if a better athlete is the way to get it done,  pay Campbell and cut Klein(saves $5M).

 

[TD716]

6 FA on Bills defensive line

Hughes, Addison, Butler, Obada, Phillips, Zimmer.

WR FA—McKenzie, Sanders

CB FA— Wallace, Neal

Boetteger FA

Bates RFA

?? about Morse, Beasley, D. Williams Klein coming back since significant cap savings if you cut them
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need number 2 TE

need power RB

need backup plan if Tre’s knee takes longer to heal

Need Backup QB

Need Run stuffing Rotational DT since Star not all in

Need someone to get to the quarterback 

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FA in 2023–Knox, Singletary, Edmunds, Klein,Poyer, Beasley, Morse

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Hope to sign our own

Obada, Phillips,Zimmer, Bates, Boetteger, Wallace, McKenzie, Neal

 

Free agent want list

Rotational DE—JPP, Ingram, Reddick

TE——Njoku, Gesecki

Safety—Kearse

RB——Fournette

WR—-Kirk, Patterson

Center—Jones, Bozema

CB——Jackson, Nelson

OLine depth ??

Strong run defending DT ?? Weak initial FA class

[SCBills]

1 hour ago, NewEra said:

Maybe I missed a specific player named in a previous post, but which aging pass rusher would cost a massive portion of our cap?  Hughes?  Addison is under contract for 2M next year or we can cut him and save 2M.  Jerry isn’t going to cost a massive portion of our cap.  
 

If Rousseau, Basham and Epenesa are our top 3 DEs next year, we’re in big trouble.  Not sure how you would be ok with that.  Doesn’t matter that you hope that they get better.  What if they don’t get better?  Epenesa and Basham have big question marks still. Rousseau was great vs the run, but his pass rush was meh.  Addison and Hughes were easily our best two pass rushing DEs this season.  And you propose we replace them with Basham and Aj?  If that’s the plan and they don’t get markedly better, you just threw the entire season in the dumpster.  

Im fine keeping Addison for that price.  I don’t expect a ton from him, but at least he’s proven.   Our pass rush will depend on how well the 3 young guys progress.  
 

Maybe we make a big move, who knows… but at some point you have to dance with the partner you brought.   We spent 3 high picks the last 2 years on pass rushers.  We did knowing this moment was coming (cap crunch).  
 

We no longer have the cap flexibility to just go sign someone.  High picks have to hit, quickly, or that just is a weak spot.  

[NewEra]

14 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

You say that like they didn't sign Johnson with AJ Klein under contract for $6.5M in 2021 and $5.5M in 2022.

 

Klein is a nice part-timer player for a $2M-$3M million...........he might even actually be "fine" as the teams MLB next year because he makes up for his lack of range in the pass game with big plays...........but if a better athlete is the way to get it done,  pay Campbell and cut Klein(saves $5M).

 

True but they also were also paying the QB 20% of what he’s going to be making after next year.  The allen contract can’t be ignored and makes it hard to compare a contract given out prior to the fact. 
 

don’t get me wrong, I’d love to add Campbell, especially for 6M.  I’d prefer he and Milano for 17M combined than edmunds and Milano @24- 25M combined. I just don’t see them moving edmunds outside or moving to a 4-3, which would keep edmunds and his 12.7M contract on the bench for the majority of the game.   We’d be paying 3 LBs 30M combined while playing nickel 80% of the time

[GunnerBill]

49 minutes ago, Process said:

JJ Watt got $28M over 2 years and gets injured every time he steps on a football field.

 

Cam Jordan just had a 12.5 sack season. 

 

I see zero reason why he would get less money.

 

Watt was a bigger name and he had options to ring chase for less. He middled it and went to a possible playoff team but not a true contender. Look how that worked.

[BADOLBILZ]

14 minutes ago, NewEra said:

True but they also were also paying the QB 20% of what he’s going to be making after next year.  The allen contract can’t be ignored and makes it hard to compare a contract given out prior to the fact. 
 

don’t get me wrong, I’d love to add Campbell, especially for 6M.  I’d prefer he and Milano for 17M combined than edmunds and Milano @24- 25M combined. I just don’t see them moving edmunds outside or moving to a 4-3, which would keep edmunds and his 12.7M contract on the bench for the majority of the game.   We’d be paying 3 LBs 30M combined while playing nickel 80% of the time

 

 

Well,  let's face it they also got lucky that Milano stayed healthy all year............and the fact that they both have to be on the field to run the D the way they want to for every play likely causes some diminishing returns in terms of production.    To say nothing of likely having to chase Mahomes around 70 times per game twice per year.

 

And the Bills have also been the team to spend the most money on DL while rotating them 50/50 or 60/40 in recent seasons.

 

What they choose to do hasn't always made fiscal sense.

 

The bullet they dodged so far is having not paid Edmunds $15M on a long term deal...........they need to keep dodging that, IMO.

 

 

[elijah]

3 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

I cant take any thread or mock seriously that doesn't list Levi as a priority signing.  He will be a high priority free agent signing, and probably the highest priority in our FO to retain.  Especially with Tre White recovering from injury. 

 

Levi had a very good year...its time people give him his credit.

 

21 hours ago, elijah said:

2. CB2/Levi Wallace

 

21 hours ago, elijah said:

However, just crunching and playing with numbers, I don’t think it’s possible to retain Wallace and CB2 will become the first true ‘need’ that this team has had in 2 years. I think Wallace is more than capable of the CB2 job, but it’s simply going to come down to a numbers game at this point. He’s going to have a higher price tag than I think most are anticipating, and a younger more athletic CB may be better for the defense anyways when taking into consideration the speed of Hill. 

 

This seems like a thread you should be able to take seriously then    : )

[elijah]

2 hours ago, NewEra said:

Maybe I missed a specific player named in a previous post, but which aging pass rusher would cost a massive portion of our cap?  Hughes?  Addison is under contract for 2M next year or we can cut him and save 2M.  Jerry isn’t going to cost a massive portion of our cap.  
 

If Rousseau, Basham and Epenesa are our top 3 DEs next year, we’re in big trouble.  Not sure how you would be ok with that.  Doesn’t matter that you hope that they get better.  What if they don’t get better?  Epenesa and Basham have big question marks still. Rousseau was great vs the run, but his pass rush was meh.  Addison and Hughes were easily our best two pass rushing DEs this season.  And you propose we replace them with Basham and Aj?  If that’s the plan and they don’t get markedly better, you just threw the entire season in the dumpster.  

Unfortunately Addison is not under contract for $2M next year, that would’ve been fantastic if he was, would be an absolute bargain price. 

 

His contract, per spotrac, “automatically voids 23 days before the ‘22 league year,” and that $2M is dead cap on our 2022 books. I’m not a Cap Space and NFL roster management savant, but in my understanding it’s similar to the Taysom Hill contract that the Saints signed essentially just to create cap space. The 4yr/$95M that was actually just a 1 year contract.