Tiberius Posted April 16, 2022 Author Share Posted April 16, 2022 40 minutes ago, Doc said: So was it the weather and a fire that sank it or Ukraine? FCOL you can't believe anything you read anymore! Father Neptune sank it https://www.npr.org/2022/04/15/1093026912/russian-moskva-warship-sunk-ukraine 3 minutes ago, BillStime said: Another GOPer hating on democracy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted April 16, 2022 Share Posted April 16, 2022 Blasts Heard Across Ukraine As Russian Follows Through On Pledge To Step Up Strikes https://www.rferl.org/a/ukraine-russia-attacks-kyiv-lviv-moskva/31806017.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sherpa Posted April 16, 2022 Share Posted April 16, 2022 3 hours ago, Tiberius said: I'm not ready to believe they lost this many men yet. Such a number seems almost impossible. Still, the Russian Navy has never been a good deal. Their single aircraft carrier, the Admiral Kusnetsov is a piece or trash. So bad that is considered punishment to be assigned to her. The Kursk, a Soviet sub sank killing all crewmen when help was available and declined by the leadership, and now this. When we were on cruise in the northern Indian Ocean, their intel ship was constantly trailing us picking up trash etc. Every day at dawn we'd launch a SSSC mission. (Surface Search Surveillance and Control). Each airplane was assigned a sector to search, just to make sure the carrier task force had an accurate picture of the players in the area. The Soviet Intel ship would always trail us overnight about 15 miles away. It had inadequate or no air conditioning in its berthing areas, so there would always be about twenty sailors sleeping outside, on deck. Before we'd head to search our specific sectors, we would get about ten miles behind her, push it up to mach and fly by them at deck level. We'd then climb and do a low speed pass and they all be "gesturing" to us. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted April 16, 2022 Share Posted April 16, 2022 "savvy" and "genius" 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albwan Posted April 16, 2022 Share Posted April 16, 2022 29 minutes ago, BillStime said: "savvy" and "genius" ...and your peeps in DC are doing what about any of this? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted April 16, 2022 Author Share Posted April 16, 2022 5 minutes ago, Albwan said: ...and your peeps in DC are doing what about any of this? Supplying defensive weapons,for one. Should we be sending in the USAF? 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted April 16, 2022 Author Share Posted April 16, 2022 When HMS Hood blew up in 1941 everyone of the crew died save three who lived by a miracle. A large majority of USS Arizona's crew were killed when the magazine exploded, so it maybe that Moskova's crew has gone to a better place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted April 16, 2022 Author Share Posted April 16, 2022 3 hours ago, BillStime said: "It is time for the entire MAGA movement, the greatest in the history of our Country, to unite behind J.D.'s campaign because, unlike so many other pretenders and wannabes, he will put America First," Trump said in a statement Friday announcing the endorsement. "In other words, J.D. Vance has my Complete and Total Endorsement. He will not let you down. MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!" 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted April 16, 2022 Share Posted April 16, 2022 37 minutes ago, Albwan said: ...and your peeps in DC are doing what about any of this? Doing a helluva lot more than Conald and the cult 63 Republicans vote against resolution expressing support for NATO What more should DC do without inciting WWIII? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted April 16, 2022 Author Share Posted April 16, 2022 Good 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L Ron Burgundy Posted April 16, 2022 Share Posted April 16, 2022 39 minutes ago, Tiberius said: "It is time for the entire MAGA movement, the greatest in the history of our Country, to unite behind J.D.'s campaign because, unlike so many other pretenders and wannabes, he will put America First," Trump said in a statement Friday announcing the endorsement. "In other words, J.D. Vance has my Complete and Total Endorsement. He will not let you down. MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!" The guy is trying so so hard to become a politician it's sickening. First flip flopping on trump then getting cozy to Gaetz and mgt. F him. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted April 16, 2022 Share Posted April 16, 2022 45 minutes ago, Tiberius said: "It is time for the entire MAGA movement, the greatest in the history of our Country, to unite behind J.D.'s campaign because, unlike so many other pretenders and wannabes, he will put America First," Trump said in a statement Friday announcing the endorsement. "In other words, J.D. Vance has my Complete and Total Endorsement. He will not let you down. MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!" Back to the UKRAINE war thread: 😆 WAPO Ukrainian governor: Mariupol "has been wiped off the face of the earth" https://hotair.com/headlines/2022/04/16/ukrainian-governor-mariupol-has-been-wiped-off-the-face-of-the-earth-n462745 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted April 16, 2022 Author Share Posted April 16, 2022 1 minute ago, B-Man said: Back to the UKRAINE war thread: 😆 WAPO Ukrainian governor: Mariupol "has been wiped off the face of the earth" https://hotair.com/headlines/2022/04/16/ukrainian-governor-mariupol-has-been-wiped-off-the-face-of-the-earth-n462745 this war will continue until Putin is gone. He will just keep killing as long as his heartbeats. But once it's done we will rebuild Ukraine. We have to,make it a stronger democratic republic than it was before that monster unleashed his evil war machine on it. 🇺🇦 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted April 16, 2022 Share Posted April 16, 2022 Alternative facts or legitimate political discourse Russian style? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albwan Posted April 16, 2022 Share Posted April 16, 2022 (edited) You've chosen to ignore content by Tiberius. Options You've chosen to ignore content by Tiberius. Options You've chosen to ignore content by Tiberius. Options You've chosen to ignore content by BillStime. Options You've chosen to ignore content by Tiberius. Options ^^^^^^^ hatin 'merica, lovin' ukraine you two and some idiot media people still trying to make some weird connection between Trump and Putin...is that really part of the strategy for midterms? Edited April 16, 2022 by Albwan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PetermansRedemption Posted April 16, 2022 Share Posted April 16, 2022 3 hours ago, sherpa said: I'm not ready to believe they lost this many men yet. Such a number seems almost impossible. Still, the Russian Navy has never been a good deal. Their single aircraft carrier, the Admiral Kusnetsov is a piece or trash. So bad that is considered punishment to be assigned to her. The Kursk, a Soviet sub sank killing all crewmen when help was available and declined by the leadership, and now this. When we were on cruise in the northern Indian Ocean, their intel ship was constantly trailing us picking up trash etc. Every day at dawn we'd launch a SSSC mission. (Surface Search Surveillance and Control). Each airplane was assigned a sector to search, just to make sure the carrier task force had an accurate picture of the players in the area. The Soviet Intel ship would always trail us overnight about 15 miles away. It had inadequate or no air conditioning in its berthing areas, so there would always be about twenty sailors sleeping outside, on deck. Before we'd head to search our specific sectors, we would get about ten miles behind her, push it up to mach and fly by them at deck level. We'd then climb and do a low speed pass and they all be "gesturing" to us. Especially since, from the accounts I heard, the ship didn’t even sink immediately. That would mean 442 were lost from the immediate impact of one Ukrainian missile. Like you said, seems impossible. I guess if they were all sleeping in berthing and the missile happened to hit right there? Then maybe? But not very likely. Like every single news report from this war, it’s all sensational propaganda. Everything is exaggerated one way or the other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L Ron Burgundy Posted April 16, 2022 Share Posted April 16, 2022 While I don't advocate getting news from YouTube they have a lot of supposedly intercepted calls from Russian soldiers to their homes. Some are nuts. Worth checking out. I know a little Russian and I'm fairly certain they're legit. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Coffeesforclosers Posted April 16, 2022 Share Posted April 16, 2022 (edited) 8 hours ago, BillStime said: If Russia were just beating up on Ukraine to prove they're top dog in the region, JD Vance is right. But Russia has said over and over and over again that they want to erase the Ukrainian state and assimilate the Ukrainian people to restore their empire and break US power. So JD Vance is an idiot. Edited April 16, 2022 by Coffeesforclosers 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted April 16, 2022 Share Posted April 16, 2022 Russia hits Kyiv and other major cities, Reuters reports https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-ukraine-crisis/russia-hits-kyiv-lviv-and-presses-offensive-in-ruins-of-mariupol-idUKKCN2M801C Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Warcodered Posted April 17, 2022 Share Posted April 17, 2022 10 hours ago, Albwan said: You've chosen to ignore content by Tiberius. Options You've chosen to ignore content by Tiberius. Options You've chosen to ignore content by Tiberius. Options You've chosen to ignore content by BillStime. Options You've chosen to ignore content by Tiberius. Options ^^^^^^^ hatin 'merica, lovin' ukraine you two and some idiot media people still trying to make some weird connection between Trump and Putin...is that really part of the strategy for midterms? Feels like this feature is failing you somehow. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted April 17, 2022 Author Share Posted April 17, 2022 Soldiers in Mariupol 'continue to hold the defence' - Ukrainian official As we've been reporting, there is no indication from Ukraine that it will be surrendering to Russia in the besieged city of Mariupol. An adviser to the mayor of Mariupol, Petro Andriushchenko, said on Telegram that despite Russia's "'surrender corridor' for the remaining troops" in the city, "our defenders continue to hold the defence". Andriushchenko added that the hostilities from Russia are not limited to the Azovstal steel plant, where Ukrainian soldiers are reported to be staying. "During the fighting, the occupiers shelled private residential houses with heavy artillery again", he said. https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-europe-61124291 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albwan Posted April 17, 2022 Share Posted April 17, 2022 (edited) 8 hours ago, Warcodered said: Feels like this feature is failing you somehow. You've chosen to ignore content by Warcodered. Lets find out, slick. We can play that cancel culture game too. Edited April 17, 2022 by Albwan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted April 17, 2022 Author Share Posted April 17, 2022 19 hours ago, PetermansRedemption said: Especially since, from the accounts I heard, the ship didn’t even sink immediately. That would mean 442 were lost from the immediate impact of one Ukrainian missile. Like you said, seems impossible. I guess if they were all sleeping in berthing and the missile happened to hit right there? Then maybe? But not very likely. Like every single news report from this war, it’s all sensational propaganda. Everything is exaggerated one way or the other. It was two missiles, from what reports said. And that seems likely, as the warheads were about 350 pounds, makes since it took two to sink it, unless one missile set off a change reaction, which is entirely possible. A smaller ship, the USS Stark survived one hit from similar sized missile in 1987--actually two hit it but only one warhead exploded. That it may not have sunk right away doesn't mean there wouldn't of been high casualties. Some ships like the USS Hornet at the Battle of Santa Cruz was completely destroyed but it would not sink. The Bismarck might of been the same way. The Germans claimed they sank it after it's fighting ability had been destroyed. The Russians say the Moskva didn't sink right away, which means it might not have, or maybe it just blew up. Russia lies constantly. The fact that it was a Turkish ship that rescued the men in the water could be significant. If it did not sink right away then why did not Russian ships coming to the aid of this stricken ship rescue them? Maybe it did go down quickly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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meazza Posted April 17, 2022 Share Posted April 17, 2022 Looks like the @BillStime bot is still running strong . @SDS you certainly run a tight ship 😂😂😂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sherpa Posted April 17, 2022 Share Posted April 17, 2022 1 hour ago, Tiberius said: It was two missiles, from what reports said. And that seems likely, as the warheads were about 350 pounds, makes since it took two to sink it, unless one missile set off a change reaction, which is entirely possible. A smaller ship, the USS Stark survived one hit from similar sized missile in 1987--actually two hit it but only one warhead exploded. The issue with the exocet that hit Stark and the warhead didn't detonate was that unburned rocket fuel ignited and formed a huge fire. The other exocet's warhead exploded. It's not "change reaction," it's chain reaction, which are explosions caused by other explosions/fires. "Change reaction" is a medical term describing aberrant behavior by individuals that is exhibited after gender reassignment procedures. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted April 17, 2022 Share Posted April 17, 2022 41 minutes ago, meazza said: Looks like the @BillStime bot is still running strong . @SDS you certainly run a tight ship 😂😂😂 Say's the guy who is literally in a pissing contest with @Deranged Rhino ATOP on the Russia Russia Russia thread... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motorin' Posted April 17, 2022 Share Posted April 17, 2022 3 hours ago, Albwan said: You've chosen to ignore content by Warcodered. Lets find out, slick. We can play that cancel culture game too. Your forgot to fill out your ID-Ten-T form which blocks the people on your ignore list from being able to comment on your posts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted April 17, 2022 Share Posted April 17, 2022 56 minutes ago, Motorin' said: Your forgot to fill out your ID-Ten-T form which blocks the people on your ignore list from being able to comment on your posts. I want one of those ! 😆 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted April 17, 2022 Share Posted April 17, 2022 Why the Ukraine War Hasn’t Crashed the Stock Market. https://www.wsj.com/articles/why-the-ukraine-war-can-only-end-happily-for-the-stock-market-russia-invasion-crash-putin-11650058476 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted April 17, 2022 Author Share Posted April 17, 2022 3 hours ago, sherpa said: The issue with the exocet that hit Stark and the warhead didn't detonate was that unburned rocket fuel ignited and formed a huge fire. The other exocet's warhead exploded. It's not "change reaction," it's chain reaction, which are explosions caused by other explosions/fires. "Change reaction" is a medical term describing aberrant behavior by individuals that is exhibited after gender reassignment procedures. Good job spotting a typo, lol. "Chain reaction" is not exactly a very technical term, so you should have easily known that was a typo. Correct on the exocet, but that doesn't contradict anything I said. I do wonder how long it will be until we get solid info on how the Moskva sank. John Bolton was on CNN earlier and he said that TRump's delaying of arms shipments and all the other crap hurt Ukraine and set back the defence of that nation 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted April 17, 2022 Share Posted April 17, 2022 Bolton is also the moron that said that Putin didn't have the time to amass troops to invade Ukraine while Trump was in office. Never mind that Zelenskyy was elected about 2-1/2 years into Trump's Presidency, leaving 5 years, including almost 4 full years under Barry after Crimea was annexed, to arm Ukraine. And the aid was delayed for, what, less than 2 months? Then there's the pesky detail of Putin not having the balls to do it while Trump was in office. Other than that, yeah, it's all Trump's fault Johnny! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted April 17, 2022 Share Posted April 17, 2022 3 minutes ago, Doc said: Bolton is also the moron that said that Putin didn't have the time to amass troops to invade Ukraine while Trump was in office. Never mind that Zelenskyy was elected about 2-1/2 years into Trump's Presidency, leaving 5 years, including almost 4 full years under Barry after Crimea was annexed, to arm Ukraine. And the aid was delayed for, what, less than 2 months? Then there's the pesky detail of Putin not having the balls to do it while Trump was in office. Other than that, yeah, it's all Trump's fault Johnny! Why would Putin invade Ukraine while Trump was POTUS? Why would Putin F up Trumps chances of getting re-elected? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted April 17, 2022 Author Share Posted April 17, 2022 If the sources are to be believed Ukraine is taking the initiative. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted April 17, 2022 Author Share Posted April 17, 2022 This is what the Ukrainians say is going on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted April 17, 2022 Author Share Posted April 17, 2022 well, it didn't blow up, initially at least Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted April 17, 2022 Author Share Posted April 17, 2022 IT looks like the middle of the ship was blown apart and then another hit forward. She's already listing 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irv Posted April 18, 2022 Share Posted April 18, 2022 Demented Biden too scared to go to Ukraine. What a loser. What a mess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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