Voter fraud!

[Backintheday544]

12 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

Ignoring?  We already discussed this.  How "back in the day" are you?

 

But fine, make an example of a 17-year old if it makes you feel better.  I'll take the real victory over the pyrrhic one.

 

 

Sure it does and you just (again, unwittingly) made it.  The contention of you and your ilk is that there's no voter fraud because they haven't been able to find it.  I've been telling you that's only because there's no way to find it without checking ID.  Here you present a case of someone trying to commit voter fraud...only to be thwarted by an ID law.  Hiding behind "states' rights" and the "Jim Crow" silliness isn't a valid argument when the issue is thwarting fraud, especially when the plaintiffs in the Georgia case couldn't prove that a single person would be harmed by the laws.

I don’t even know what you’re talking about anymore. Are you pro-voter fraud or anti-voter fraud?

 

If you’re anti-voter fraud why you defending this guy?

[Doc]

11 minutes ago, SectionC3 said:

Give me a break.  How many other people can you identify who have been so thwarted?  And, in States where  there are no such laws,  how many instances of documented voter fraud do we have?  I’m guessing it’s a number fairly close to your IQ.  Low.  So then the question becomes do we need the “fix” that you propose.  The long lines in places like Georgia say no.

 

Ah, the "give me a break [because I was throttled]" post.  You're such a simp.

 

5 minutes ago, Backintheday544 said:

I don’t even know what you’re talking about anymore. Are you pro-voter fraud or anti-voter fraud?

 

If you’re anti-voter fraud why you defending this guy?

 

The real question is: are you and your ilk pro-voter fraud of anti-voter fraud.  And in reality, it's rhetorical.  We all know.

Edited November 6, 2021 by Doc

[Tenhigh]

39 minutes ago, SectionC3 said:

 

You have it backwards.  ID laws--the kind that you like--prevent votes.  This is instance perhaps #32 of attempted voter fraud in a country where hundreds of millions, if not billions, of votes are cast every year.  And where is all of this voter fraud in states without the ID laws you prefer?  Turns out that it doesn't exist. 

Well, we agree that ID laws prevent votes, 100%.

 

 

 

 

The illegal kind, your OP is direct evidence of its effectiveness.  I think this is called being hoisted by your own petard.

Edited November 6, 2021 by Tenhigh

[Doc]

4 hours ago, Tenhigh said:

Well, we agree that ID laws prevent votes, 100%.

 

 

 

 

The illegal kind, your OP is direct evidence of its effectiveness.  I think this is called being hoisted by your own petard.

 

Amazing, isn't it?

 

"There's no evidence of voter fraud at all so we don't need ID!"

 

"You can't find fraud without checking someone's ID"

 

Months later...

 

"Look, Youngkin's son tried to commit fraud!"

 

"That's only because they checked his ID.  So you now believe a) there is voter fraud and b) that ID is a good idea?"

"States' rights and Jim Crow..."

 

 

Edited November 7, 2021 by Doc

[Tenhigh]

Just now, Doc said:

 

Amazing, isn't it?

 

"There's no evidence of voter fraud at all so we don't need ID!"

 

"You can't find fraud without checking someone's ID"

 

"Look, Youngkin's son tried to commit fraud!"

 

"That's only because they checked his ID.  So you now believe a) there is voter fraud and b) that ID is a good idea?"

"States' rights and Jim Crow..."

 

 

It sure seems like somebody didn't think this one through.  

[Doc]

1 minute ago, Tenhigh said:

It sure seems like somebody didn't think this one through.  

 

No doubt about it.  That's why he has to fall back on "states' right [to allow fraud to continue]" and "Jim Crow [even though they failed to prove it would hurt anyone]."  Oh yes and "shouldn't we sentence this 17-year old to death over this?"

[Backintheday544]

34 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

Ah, the "give me a break [because I was throttled]" post.  You're such a simp.

 

 

The real question is: are you and your ilk pro-voter fraud of anti-voter fraud.  And in reality, it's rhetorical.  We all know.

Are you pro-voter fraud or anti-voter fraud?

 

Heres a clear case of voter fraud. Make your stance.

[Big Blitz]

Another fun fact law in Virginia....

 

You can drink alcohol at a bar/restaurant after 6pm the day before your 21st birthday.  

[Beach]

37 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

Another fun fact law in Virginia....

 

You can drink alcohol at a bar/restaurant after 6pm the day before your 21st birthday.  

what else dont I know!?!?!?

[BillStime]

 

[B-Man]

2 hours ago, Backintheday544 said:

 

If you’re anti-voter fraud why you defending this guy?

 

 

Because he didn't commit voter fraud.

 

 

 

[Backintheday544]

4 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

Because he didn't commit voter fraud.

 

 

 

Guy tried to vote. Was told he couldn’t vote.

 

Went back and tried to vote again.

 

If he was a Democrat that was told he couldn’t vote then went back hours later and tried again what would you call that?

[B-Man]

15 minutes ago, Backintheday544 said:

 

If he was a Democrat that was told he couldn’t vote then went back hours later and tried again what would you call that?

 

 

A typical democrat.

 

 

Such passion, such concern.

 

No comment about the 12,000 "found" ballots in New Jersey that I referenced.

 

 

You know ?  "Real Voter fraud" .

 

What we have been discussing for the past 5 years.

 

 

Not this unbelievable crusade that you are stuck on.

 

 

 

Edited November 7, 2021 by B-Man

[Buffarukus]

whats this about? saw it yesterday but only the beginning. seems alittle bigger then a kid voting  but im watching the ufc fight not sure on details.

 

 

 

https://journaltimes.com/news/local/govt-and-politics/eight-cases-of-election-fraud-at-racine-county-nursing-home-sheriff-schmaling-says/article_1722e503-a13b-5f3d-bd7e-c72a68962e4d.html

 

ps hopefully the op has many posts demanding investigations on hunter biden so this thread does not come off as completely partisan and hypocritical since this is a call for justice and against nepotism. ill look into those details after the fight as well.

 

 

Edited November 7, 2021 by Buffarukus

[Backintheday544]

23 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

A typical democrat.

 

 

Such passion, such concern.

 

No comment about the 12,000 "found" ballots in New Jersey that I referenced.

 

 

You know ?  "Real Voter fraud" .

 

What we have been discussing for the past 5 years.

 

 

Not this unbelievable crusade that you are stuck on.

 

 

 

That’s not the subject of this thread. The thread was about Youngkins kid.

 

Why are you right wing people so against saying his kid did wrong.

 

He went to vote when he knew he couldn’t. Got rejected. Then when definitely knowing he couldn’t vote since he was already rejected, tried to vote again.

 

 

[Buffarukus]

1 minute ago, Backintheday544 said:

That’s not the subject of this thread. The thread was about Youngkins kid.

 

Why are you right wing people so against saying his kid did wrong.

 

He went to vote when he knew he couldn’t. Got rejected. Then when definitely knowing he couldn’t vote since he was already rejected, tried to vote again.

 

 

 

he did wrong. 

[Backintheday544]

12 minutes ago, Buffarukus said:

 

he did wrong. 

And should face the consequences of such wrong doing right? 
 

This is what this thread is about.

 

Guy did wrong. Punish appropriately.

[Beach]

20 minutes ago, Backintheday544 said:

And should face the consequences of such wrong doing right? 
 

This is what this thread is about.

 

Guy did wrong. Punish appropriately.

sure, what is the punishment for trying to vote when not eligible?  it seems the punishment is being told to go away.

[Backintheday544]

4 minutes ago, Beach said:

sure, what is the punishment for trying to vote when not eligible?  it seems the punishment is being told to go away.

https://law.lis.virginia.gov/vacode/24.2-1004/

 

That’s VAs voter fraud laws. They don’t seem to cover attempts. Perhaps VA should now redesign their laws to cover attempts such as this.

 

Trying to vote when not eligible shouldn’t be punished. Trying to vote when knowing you’re not eligible should be. Here the second time he tried to vote he definitely knew he wasn’t eligible to vote.

 

We literally have a person trying to vote when not eligible. Republicans have been saying we need to stop this stuff. Why can’t a single Republican in this thread call the guy out?

 

Not even call out… just don’t defend him.

Edited November 7, 2021 by Backintheday544

[Beach]

3 minutes ago, Backintheday544 said:

https://law.lis.virginia.gov/vacode/24.2-1004/

 

That’s VAs voter fraud laws. They don’t seem to cover attempts. Perhaps VA should now redesign their laws to cover attempts such as this.

 

Trying to vote when not eligible shouldn’t be punished. Trying to vote when knowing you’re not eligible should be. Here the second time he tried to vote he definitely knew he wasn’t eligible to vote.

 

We literally have a person trying to vote when not eligible. Republicans have been saying we need to stop this stuff. Why can’t a single Republican in this thread call the guy out?

 

Not even call out… just don’t defend him.

im not defending him, im glad he wasnt able to fraudulently vote.  i just dont see a punishment here.  what do you want to happen the kid?

[Tenhigh]

53 minutes ago, Backintheday544 said:

That’s not the subject of this thread. The thread was about Youngkins kid.

 

Why are you right wing people so against saying his kid did wrong.

 

He went to vote when he knew he couldn’t. Got rejected. Then when definitely knowing he couldn’t vote since he was already rejected, tried to vote again.

 

 

Seems like he tried to commit voter fraud to me, and was thwarted by the requirement to produce an ID. 

[Doc]

53 minutes ago, Backintheday544 said:

https://law.lis.virginia.gov/vacode/24.2-1004/

 

That’s VAs voter fraud laws. They don’t seem to cover attempts. Perhaps VA should now redesign their laws to cover attempts such as this.

 

Trying to vote when not eligible shouldn’t be punished. Trying to vote when knowing you’re not eligible should be. Here the second time he tried to vote he definitely knew he wasn’t eligible to vote.

 

We literally have a person trying to vote when not eligible. Republicans have been saying we need to stop this stuff. Why can’t a single Republican in this thread call the guy out?

 

Not even call out… just don’t defend him.

 

"Why do we need to create new laws..."  LOL!  More hypocrisy.

 

No one defended the kid.  I said it's good he wasn't able to vote (thanks to voter ID).  I also specifically said he should be charged him with whatever is appropriate.  Now you've revealed that there is no charge for attempted voter fraud.  You'd think C3 would have (also) known that before creating this thread...

 

And show me where anyone has called for people who attempt voter fraud to be charged with anything.  No, what those of us advocating for voter ID want is what you said above: "to stop this stuff."  Doesn't matter if it's Republican (like this example), Democrat, Independent or anything else. 

 

As I've been saying, everyone who can legally vote should be allowed/able to vote.  But like it or not, there need to be safeguards in place, just like there are safeguards for every activity in which certain people are not allowed to partake.  Having to show ID to vote is no more Jim Crow than having to show ID to, say, buy liquor.  So please stop making fools of yourselves, and insulting POC, mentioning it.

[Buffarukus]

5 hours ago, Backintheday544 said:

And should face the consequences of such wrong doing right? 
 

This is what this thread is about.

 

Guy did wrong. Punish appropriately.

 

right. depending on past record, ect. ect. a stupid kid doing somthing stupid while thinking he was helping a family member shouldnt face the full weight of the law if this is all hes done. making a thread about it seems to be just to highlight the opposing side relatively minor transgression rather then some major issue that must be addressed and discussed at length with its own topic, but that just my opinion. 

 

guess what else id be for. a independent look into any other voting issues in these elections since we are highlighting possible hypocracy. confidence in the american electoral process is kind of a big issue so as long as its done transparently with both sides agreeing to terms why would i be against it?  

 

but like i said earlier, if you think republicans should condemn this then you must also that joe and hunter should be fully investigated and face the consequences for anything they have done to at least show a semblance of this being about a actual belief rather then a partisan gotcha.

 

so i hope you advocate the bidens receive the appropriate punishment if found guilty including impeachment..right? the crimes they have been involved in are MUCH more serious and have been completely ignored by democrats while being ADMITTEDLY covered up under false pretenses. those responsible for the coverup should be held responsable and face justice as well seeing as there. hasn't even been a investigation yet.

 

you agree right?

 

 

Edited November 7, 2021 by Buffarukus

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

14 hours ago, SectionC3 said:

 

I don't disagree that he did not commit fraud.  But it seems like we had an attempt to commit fraud here, do we not?

This is admittedly a conundrum for me.  
 

On the one hand, I don’t trust the national media on issues like this.  On the other hand, I’m forced to rely on published accounts as to exactly what happened and what the rules are that apply to the situation.  That said, I’ll push on.
 

Based on what I am reading, no, there was no attempt to commit fraud. There was an attempt to vote, however, and thankfully an eagle eyed election official noticed that he was ineligible to participate.  
 

The interesting part to me is after that all occurred, someone in a position of power tipped off the media to this story.  “Young man attempts to vote, is turned away!”.  
 

That part, and what follows seems outrageously political, which brings me back to why I am distrustful of the process to begin with.  
 

 

[SectionC3]

15 hours ago, Doc said:

 

Ah, the "give me a break [because I was throttled]" post.  You're such a simp.

 

 

The real question is: are you and your ilk pro-voter fraud of anti-voter fraud.  And in reality, it's rhetorical.  We all know.

 

Says the guy who chows down on Ivermectin and HCQ.  

 

What you haven't said is interesting, too.  Where is all of the fraud in "non-ID" states, such as New York?  Your position is that voter ID laws prevent fraud.  So one would think that you'd have evidence that, in a state such as New York where one need not present ID to cast a ballot that we would have at least one or two instances where a person signed a poll book in someone else's name, voted, and then the actual voter arrived to vote, only to be rejected because the third person had already signed the poll book and cast a ballot in the voter's name.  And yet, we have no instances in which that has occurred.  Which means the idea that we need voter ID laws to prevent massive Election Day fraud is nothing but a--you guessed it--hoax!

[SectionC3]

50 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

This is admittedly a conundrum for me.  
 

On the one hand, I don’t trust the national media on issues like this.  On the other hand, I’m forced to rely on published accounts as to exactly what happened and what the rules are that apply to the situation.  That said, I’ll push on.
 

Based on what I am reading, no, there was no attempt to commit fraud. There was an attempt to vote, however, and thankfully an eagle eyed election official noticed that he was ineligible to participate.  
 

The interesting part to me is after that all occurred, someone in a position of power tipped off the media to this story.  “Young man attempts to vote, is turned away!”.  
 

That part, and what follows seems outrageously political, which brings me back to why I am distrustful of the process to begin with.  
 

 

 

In truth I don't think the kid should be prosecuted or even reprimanded.  He loves his dad, he tried to vote, he's 17 and maybe thought that a quirk in the law there allowed him to vote, and he couldn't.  No big deal. 

 

The interesting part to me is that we have all of this hand wringing in the stop the steal crowd about law and order and voter fraud and press conferences about fraud that doesn't exist and nobody seems to bat an eye when something like this occurs. Does what this kid did mean that we need ID laws?  Absolutely not; anyone with a little bit of knowledge in this area (basically, people other than Doc) knows that in states like New York this kid would have cast an affidavit ballot that later would have been rejected by the BOE during the bipartisan research and review process (for the obvious reason that the kid wasn't registered).  But perhaps the whining about voter fraud and rigged elections shouldn't be a matter of convenience or party.  Everyone who was whining about non-existent election fraud in Arizona and Georgia a few months ago should be jumping all over this story.  But, as we know, that's not what has happened. 

Edited November 7, 2021 by SectionC3

[Doc]

2 hours ago, SectionC3 said:

Says the guy who chows down on Ivermectin and HCQ.  

 

What you haven't said is interesting, too.  Where is all of the fraud in "non-ID" states, such as New York?  Your position is that voter ID laws prevent fraud.  So one would think that you'd have evidence that, in a state such as New York where one need not present ID to cast a ballot that we would have at least one or two instances where a person signed a poll book in someone else's name, voted, and then the actual voter arrived to vote, only to be rejected because the third person had already signed the poll book and cast a ballot in the voter's name.  And yet, we have no instances in which that has occurred.  Which means the idea that we need voter ID laws to prevent massive Election Day fraud is nothing but a--you guessed it--hoax!

 

Hey, Tony recommended it (well, HCQ, you're lying about me using ivermectin),  Yet another unwitting dismantling of your own arguments.

[Beach]

did he say who he wanted to vote for?  just sayin!

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

8 hours ago, SectionC3 said:

 

In truth I don't think the kid should be prosecuted or even reprimanded.  He loves his dad, he tried to vote, he's 17 and maybe thought that a quirk in the law there allowed him to vote, and he couldn't.  No big deal. 

 

The interesting part to me is that we have all of this hand wringing in the stop the steal crowd about law and order and voter fraud and press conferences about fraud that doesn't exist and nobody seems to bat an eye when something like this occurs. Does what this kid did mean that we need ID laws?  Absolutely not; anyone with a little bit of knowledge in this area (basically, people other than Doc) knows that in states like New York this kid would have cast an affidavit ballot that later would have been rejected by the BOE during the bipartisan research and review process (for the obvious reason that the kid wasn't registered).  But perhaps the whining about voter fraud and rigged elections shouldn't be a matter of convenience or party.  Everyone who was whining about non-existent election fraud in Arizona and Georgia a few months ago should be jumping all over this story.  But, as we know, that's not what has happened. 

Let’s not waste this cats aligning with dogs moment in time to conflate two separate issues.   Youngkin the youngin’ seems to be guilty of no crimes and apparently broke no laws.   The reason you and I likely agree here is because that’s the fact, Jack.  
 

On a national/institutional level, I remain unconvinced that fraud on a large scale did not occur, that individuals with nefarious attempt did not attempt and possibly succeed in influencing the outcome of the election.   I believe this because when power is in play, people lie, cheat and steal, almost always.  
 

When I voted this past week,  the ultra super duper fool proof identity check system involved providing my name, my date of birth, and the act of scrawling my name on an oddly positioned tablet using my finger.   When I placed my ballot in the reader, I have no idea if it was read correctly and counted as such, and of course have no way to see how it was actually tallied.   
 

Still, I need to see proof that said fraud might have influenced the outcome of the election, there is little appetite for any deep dive into that so it is what it is.  
 

Let’s not pretend, however, that 5 years of Russian silliness and the attempt to delegitimize Trump as president did not have an impact on the way people look at our election process.  The stop the steal program is at its worst the next evolution of political wrangling to discredit the president, and comes on the heels of the very successful disinformation and propaganda campaign by Dems v 45.  The way politics are played these days, it’s only an issue if it doesn’t work.  

[Chef Jim]

On 11/6/2021 at 7:41 AM, Doc said:

So he had to show ID.  And was turned away?  Hmmmm....

 

Didn't take long for this to go up in flames.  @SectionC3 should have deleted it here.

 

Voter ID is sooooooo racists!  At least that's what I've been told.  

6 hours ago, Beach said:

did he say who he wanted to vote for?  just sayin!

 

When I was 17 I would have likely voted against my dad.  LOL 

[Doc]

4 hours ago, Chef Jim said:

Didn't take long for this to go up in flames.  @SectionC3 should have deleted it here.

 

Voter ID is sooooooo racists!  At least that's what I've been told. 

 

When you've got nothing else, cry racism.   

 

"We lost [because people don't want socialism, want to decide what their kids learn in school and the country is a mess]?  Racism!"

[Thurmal34]

The reason ppl don’t want ppl to vote is because their ideas suck.

 

The reason ppl want to restrict other Americans ability to vote is because they know how powerful each vote is.

 

Ask yourself what kind of future you want to be a part of. 
 

Just now, Thurmal34 said:

The reason ppl don’t want ppl to vote is because their ideas suck.

 

The reason ppl want to restrict other Americans ability to vote is because they know how powerful each vote is.

 

Ask yourself what kind of future you want to be a part of. 
 

It’s pretty easy. Does this policy move us forward? Or does this policy keep us stagnant/move us backward?

 

 

[SectionC3]

13 hours ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

Let’s not waste this cats aligning with dogs moment in time to conflate two separate issues.   Youngkin the youngin’ seems to be guilty of no crimes and apparently broke no laws.   The reason you and I likely agree here is because that’s the fact, Jack.  
 

On a national/institutional level, I remain unconvinced that fraud on a large scale did not occur, that individuals with nefarious attempt did not attempt and possibly succeed in influencing the outcome of the election.   I believe this because when power is in play, people lie, cheat and steal, almost always.  
 

When I voted this past week,  the ultra super duper fool proof identity check system involved providing my name, my date of birth, and the act of scrawling my name on an oddly positioned tablet using my finger.   When I placed my ballot in the reader, I have no idea if it was read correctly and counted as such, and of course have no way to see how it was actually tallied.   
 

Still, I need to see proof that said fraud might have influenced the outcome of the election, there is little appetite for any deep dive into that so it is what it is.  
 

Let’s not pretend, however, that 5 years of Russian silliness and the attempt to delegitimize Trump as president did not have an impact on the way people look at our election process.  The stop the steal program is at its worst the next evolution of political wrangling to discredit the president, and comes on the heels of the very successful disinformation and propaganda campaign by Dems v 45.  The way politics are played these days, it’s only an issue if it doesn’t work.  

 

 Or it was an attempted coup.  Either one. 

19 hours ago, Doc said:

 

Hey, Tony recommended it (well, HCQ, you're lying about me using ivermectin),  Yet another unwitting dismantling of your own arguments.

 

hoax.  you're lying about not using ivermectin.  You take it all the time.  We all know it.  Largely because Joe Rogan thinks it's a good idea. 

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

18 minutes ago, SectionC3 said:

 

 Or it was an attempted coup.  Either one. 
 

 

I was trying to skirt that issue as this thread was about the enthusiastic youngster attempting to vote, but yes, the Dems attempted a coup.  That’s bad, but dem voters had multiple chances to push back but are apparently quite comfortable with that type of politicking.  As I said previously, it worked.   

 

[SectionC3]

3 hours ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

 

I was trying to skirt that issue as this thread was about the enthusiastic youngster attempting to vote, but yes, the Dems attempted a coup.  That’s bad, but dem voters had multiple chances to push back but are apparently quite comfortable with that type of politicking.  As I said previously, it worked.   

 

Whatevs.  I didn’t picture you as the type to be hanging from the balcony of the senate on January 6.  I guess I was wrong.  

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

On 11/6/2021 at 10:09 AM, SectionC3 said:

I expect a lot of hand wringing from the stop the steal crowd about this today.  Hoax.  I don’t.  But if they aren’t whiny deluded hypocrites, they’ll forcefully condemn this kid who loves and is proud of his dad. 
 

https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/glenn-youngkins-underage-son-tried-to-vote-in-virginia-governors-election-officials-say/2870695/

the best part of that article is that news4 will not identify youngkins 17 year old son as he is a minor 😂 

[Doc]

4 hours ago, SectionC3 said:

hoax.  you're lying about not using ivermectin.  You take it all the time.  We all know it.  Largely because Joe Rogan thinks it's a good idea. 

 

Nope, not when I have HCQ.  You know, the drug Tony touted?

[SectionC3]

2 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

the best part of that article is that news4 will not identify youngkins 17 year old son as he is a minor 😂 

Children committing voter fraud.  Sick!  

4 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

Nope, not when I have HCQ.  You know, the drug Tony touted?

Back in the 80s.  For study.  I think Donald trump was a Democrat back then, too.  Or maybe he was fighting his own personal vietnam and trying  not to get gonorrhea.  So maybe you’re an ivermectin-chowing democrat.  Talk about confused. 

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

5 minutes ago, SectionC3 said:

Children committing voter fraud.  Sick!  

Im outraged… thankfully the ID check and registration verification process prevented him from fraudulently skewing the election.
 

Thankfully this fine example of appropriate verification demonstrates why these processes are necessary to protect democracy.  

[SectionC3]

9 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

Im outraged… thankfully the ID check and registration verification process prevented him from fraudulently skewing the election.
 

Thankfully this fine example of appropriate verification demonstrates why these processes are necessary to protect democracy.  

How many people do you know who have cited fraudulently in states where there is no ID check? Rus Thompson doesn’t count.