Abortion Basically Illegal In Texas Now

[Orlando Tim]

7 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

Like Thomas Jefferson? 

The conservatives loved that. Hitler ---VERY CONSERVATIVE--put it into practice on a large scale. Conservative history is racists history 

Your ignorance of history is hilarious- the National Socialist is a Conservative- please tell me how progressives are conservative?

[Tenhigh]

Just now, SectionC3 said:

You forgot to post links showing that the promise of which you speak was rejected by June of last year.  So there’s that. 

Come on big guy, let's hug it out.  Life is too short.

[SectionC3]

Just now, Tenhigh said:

And that offer for a hug will remain open.  Someday you will see that you shouldn't hate someone because they have a different opinion than you, and maybe the hug will seem a little less scary. 

Tell you what.  You’re right about the joy of hugs. Go hug a homeless or addicted or grieving person today and we’ll call it even.  Give my hug to them. 

1 minute ago, Bidens_basement said:

You do that 

Hoax.  I won’t.  But of you think of any other new hoaxes, let me know.  Laughs are good. 

[Tiberius]

1 minute ago, Buffalo Timmy said:

Your ignorance of history is hilarious- the National Socialist is a Conservative- please tell me how progressives are conservative?

Yes, Hitler was an extreme Conservative. Hitler was basically a Trumper, a rural German Red Neck. I mean you agree he was racist, right? 

 

I very much doubt you know much about history. 

[Westside]

1 minute ago, SectionC3 said:

Tell you what.  You’re right about the joy of hugs. Go hug a homeless or addicted or grieving person today and we’ll call it even.  Give my hug to them. 

Hoax.  I won’t.  But of you think of any other new hoaxes, let me know.  Laughs are good. 

I didn’t expect you to be honest, so it’s no surprise you resort back to lying.

1 minute ago, Tiberius said:

Yes, Hitler was an extreme Conservative. Hitler was basically a Trumper, a rural German Red Neck. I mean you agree he was racist, right? 

 

I very much doubt you know much about history. 

Was that before or after the Democrats and Republicans switched parties? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[Tiberius]

2 minutes ago, Bidens_basement said:

I didn’t expect you to be honest, so it’s no surprise you resort back to lying.

Was that before or after the Democrats and Republicans switched parties? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

You mean when the Southern Conservative Democrats left to infect the Republican Party? That was after 1964 when the Civil Rights Act was passed 

[Tenhigh]

10 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

Yes, Hitler was an extreme Conservative. Hitler was basically a Trumper, a rural German Red Neck. I mean you agree he was racist, right? 

 

I very much doubt you know much about history. 

Actually, he was born in Austria in 1889 and moved to Germany in 1913.  He served in WW1, and then joined the German Workers party, which became the Nazi party. He mostly lived in Berlin and Munich after WW1. But you do you, Bluto. 

 

 

[B-Man]

9 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

You mean when the Southern Conservative Democrats left to infect the Republican Party? That was after 1964 when the Civil Rights Act was passed 

 

 

Revisionism at its finest.

 

By the By, The Civil Rights Bill passed to to overwhelming Republican Party support, not Democrats

 

Your 'statement' is sh*t.

 

 

 

 

MEANWHILE, back at the abortion thread.

 

Abortion Is Not Just a Women’s Issue 

https://townhall.com/columnists/nathanmisirian/2021/09/08/abortion-is-not-just-a-womens-issue--men-are-hurting-too-n2595493

 

 

 

 

Reminder: The Texas Heartbeat law does NOT outlaw abortions, or even the majority of them.

 

 

[Doc]

2 hours ago, Tenhigh said:

So the links I posted showing promise for HCQ to fight Covid from multiple real sources weren't enough for you to stop being such a d bag on the topic?  Are you sure it's not just that you hate Doc?  Cause it sure seems that way.  

 

He hates that I'm right about him being a moron who got played by his party and their lies.

[ComradeKayAdams]

On 9/7/2021 at 6:15 PM, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

You’re right of course.  If the collective, say, were to choose to allow abortion on demand up to, say, an hour or two  after birth, the ball would roll down hill, crushing anyone (male or female) in its path who opposed it.  In some ways, we’re already there. 
 

I think the other side of the argument is that simply because the collective wants to see that sort of option does not mean you submit and acquiesce.  On the religious front, it violates deeply held beliefs that transcend the earthly realm.  On the moral plane, some believe that at some point before the baby comes out the belly button that a separate life is created and should be protected.  

 

Why, if one felt this way, would they ever submit simply because some mean folks got mean(er)?

 

And on the threat of court packing, geesh, ComradeMeanie, to many conservatives, it’s a forgone conclusion that dem and left leaning folks are already planning that.  Same with disarming the American people.  Same with perpetually open borders.  Same with CRT.  Same. Same. Same.  It’s no different than your argument that “Texas law = crush abortion business”, is it?  I’m usually certain that people are less concerned about where we are and much more concerned with what comes next. 
 

You’re apparently pro-abortion when a woman decides it’s the right choice.  Some here are pro-life with no exemptions.  A whole bunch of many are probably stuck somewhere at a dusty Day’s Inn on a moderately fertile archipelago, trying to figure not so much where  life begins, but more where common sense ends and medieval spine crushing begins. 
 

What’s really (and in my head I’m thinking it sounds like reeeeeeeeeealy)to talk about?

 

I dunno, Mr. Skin-erd, but this is a subforum comprised of ~96% male Gen X’ers/Boomers. The other ~4% is a menstruating Gen Z/Millenial tweener named Commie Kay. For this reason, I almost feel morally obligated to contribute in a thread on abortion? I’ll use my typical numerical outline format to make everything slightly easier to read. Expect a very long post:

 

1. Kay’s Personal Stance on Abortion: I’m pro-life beyond about 8 weeks, which is the approximate point where both electrical brain activity and a heartbeat can be recorded. This is my own arbitrary definition of when an embryo gains “human” status. However, I don’t think I’m psychologically capable of having ANY type of abortion outside the typical extenuating circumstances (*****, rape, my life in danger, very significant deformities/genetic defects of baby, dilation/curettage after miscarriage).

 

2. Kay’s Public Policy Stance on Abortion: I am in favor of safe, legal, and RARE abortions for all three trimesters (something like ~90% happen during the first trimester, ~9% during the second, ~1% during the third). For me, this entire debate simplifies down to acknowledging and weighing the interests of two sides: the life of the embryo/fetus/baby and the health/safety of the mother. Pro-lifers tend to fixate on determining when life begins and, thereby, frequently overlook the consequences of their abortion public policies on the lives of the mothers at all three trimesters. People are going to end up having sex. Women are going to end up seeking abortions. Is it sensible to reintroduce an industry of back-alley abortions because we have collectively decided to prioritize the life of, say, a 7-week old embryo as in the case of Texas SB 8? These mothers aren’t succubi, by the way! These are your daughters, sisters, and female friends! Almost all are innocent victims in this, too, who have been trapped by life’s circumstances into making emotionally traumatic decisions. Don’t think they are victims? Fine, then pray for them. Talk to them. Advise them. Persuade them. But don’t use the government to criminalize them.

 

3. Right-Wing Hypocrisy, Part 1: What is the percentage of pro-lifers who have ever had sex with partners outside the confines of a strongly committed relationship? Or for that matter, what is the percentage of pro-lifers who would be WILLING to have sex with partners outside the confines of a strongly committed relationship? Now of these percentages, how many would still be willing to support a “bastard child” (ew…hate that term) for 18+ years if the birth control or condom fails? And among those who wouldn’t, how many of the men would be willing to equally share the criminal penalty with the involved female?

 

4. Right-Wing Hypocrisy, Part 2: “Congratulations on your birth, little baby! Now go pick yourself up by your tiny bootstraps, get off that pacifier, and get a job!” says a typical right winger (more or less). What more needs to be said here about the crowd who thinks health care isn’t a basic human right? You’re also probably familiar with my social democracy stances on issues like preschool/college/trade school funding, living wages, affordable public housing, etc… The cognitive dissonance among American pro-lifers is stunning to anyone from more sensible countries with much better upward socioeconomic mobility stats. American pro-lifers insist you be born, but thereafter couldn’t care less if your parents are completely unprepared to give you a fighting chance in life. Sanctity of life? Please.

 

5. Primal Explanations: There is a very dark undercurrent of female agency-directed misogyny in the abortion debate that is rooted in evolutionary psychology and anthropology. I shall say no more because it will distract heavily from the rest of my post, but any woman reading this knows exactly what I’m talking about, unfortunately.

 

6. Why Texas SB 8 is So Despicable:

 

6-1. The unreasonably short “heartbeat window” of about 6 weeks. For one thing, you can’t even test for pregnancy during the first 3 weeks. And for a variety of reasons, it is not uncommon for women to have irregular menstrual cycles. Exercise, diet, and stress can play major roles in that regard. Women may also delay having an abortion because of financial/transportation limitations, poor education/misinformation, shame, fear, trauma, or sudden changes to the relationship status with significant others. There can even be significant and unexpected time delays between the initiation of an abortion consultation and the point at which the medical procedure is performed. A woman, for example, could sign up for an abortion appointment well within the first trimester but not have the procedure completed until the second trimester.

 

6-2. No exceptions for rape, *****, health of mother, etc. Ugh. So gross.

 

6-3. The infamously egregious $10k vigilantism component…the fact that all 9 Supreme Court justices didn’t immediately shoot the bill down for this component alone means we may be facing constitutional crises in the very near future. Abject legal stupidity.

 

7. Political Strategy: You asked what all this is REEEEEEEAAAALLLY about, Leh-nerd, but I prefer you speak more directly with me. We’re good PPP friends, after all, no? You believe the Democrats are using this issue to drum up female support in a difficult upcoming midterm election. You also think the far-lefties want to use this issue to pack the court so that they can push their Green New Deal. You would be correct with both accusations lol!! But but BUT…it can also be because they genuinely care about protecting Roe v. Wade, on principle and for the preservation of the nation. It can be all of these things.

 

8. Kay’s Political Threat to Leh-nerd and Crew: The GOP has won the popular vote in a presidential election only once since 1988. They’re barely holding on for 2024, even with the assumed 40 electoral college votes from Texas and the 30 from Florida. But we know that Texas is trending purple. If the Democrats can somehow flip Texas and hold it, the GOP would be rendered all but mathematically eliminated from presidential election competition for a generation…even WITH support from Georgia, Arizona, and those big 3 Midwest states. So if I were you guys, I would be more careful with how you wield those sub-33% approval issues…

 

9. Kay’s Miscellaneous Policy Positions: I am for Supreme Court term limits and for codifying Roe v. Wade with a federal law. I used to be firmly against court packing, but now I see it as potentially necessary to invalidate the judicial branch in case the GOP attempts to govern the entire nation with 5 out-of-touch individuals upholding highly unpopular (i.e. sub-33% approval) policy positions. It’s an affront to democracy. Same goes for the left, too, by the way! I disapprove of the left pushing any policy that has much less than 50% support, with very few exceptions. If one wants to govern the country a certain way, one must first exercise one’s first amendment rights and persuade. You also mentioned gun rights and border control and CRT, Leh-nerd. I’m actually center-right on the first two and completely against CRT, so you would find me vociferously fighting alongside the right wingers if my far-left friends try to subvert the will of the majority on these issues.

 

On 9/8/2021 at 7:32 AM, Governor said:

I really don’t understand the right’s strategy here. Trump already has a huge problem with non-white women but now they go and piss away their lead with white women?

 

Every GOP candidate is going to be asked if they agree with the Texas law and that would be disastrous in a whole lot of districts. There’s probably a dozen House seats in swing districts that would stay blue, especially those seats being held by moderate women, like mine.

 

It really feels like Trump’s people are behind this approach. Someone shows them a poll showing evangelical turnout was lower, they respond with abortion to energize them, not realizing that it also energizes the Dem base at a time where we’d usually be lulled to sleep before a midterm.

 

Maybe there is no overarching, top-down GOP strategy on display here? Maybe we’re seeing nothing more than rogue clusters of single-issue grassroots movements starting trouble? Nevertheless, I suppose it’s a good nation-wide political stress test for the GOP to see how far they can push their unpopular (i.e. sub-33% approval) ideas under the guise of the tenth amendment. But are they insane enough to take it too far? Yeah, probably…hehehe. Aren’t our conservative friends so cute in their craziness?! It’s such a shame that I will eventually have to send them to my gulag to finish out their lives.

 

EDIT: ***** = i n c e s t

Edited September 9, 2021 by ComradeKayAdams

[SectionC3]

41 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

He hates that I'm right about him being a moron who got played by his party and their lies.

 

Irony.  “Doc” calling someone else a moron on the issue of HCQ.  Have a gnaw on some more HCQ.  Good for your taste buds and for your malaria.  

[Doc]

18 minutes ago, SectionC3 said:

Irony.  “Doc” calling someone else a moron on the issue of HCQ.  Have a gnaw on some more HCQ.  Good for your taste buds and for your malaria.  

 

Go take it up with your hero, Tony.  He destroyed your puppet masters' "unsafe" and "no science" lies in one fell swoop.  You can't think for yourself so you swallowed and keep regurgitating it. 

[SoCal Deek]

3 hours ago, Tiberius said:

Yes, Hitler was an extreme Conservative. Hitler was basically a Trumper, a rural German Red Neck. I mean you agree he was racist, right? 

 

I very much doubt you know much about history. 

Wait....Donald Trump, the guy living in the Manhattan gold plated penthouse, is now a Red Neck?  Is that the same as Larry Elder, the black guy running for California Governor being called a White Supremacist.  When will it ever end?  Stop labeling people! 

[Tenhigh]

Let's take a test, $5 to the winner at the opener:

 

BillStime is to TRUMP as SectionC3 is to _______.  

[Orlando Tim]

4 minutes ago, Tenhigh said:

Let's take a test, $5 to the winner at the opener:

 

BillStime is to TRUMP as SectionC3 is to _______.  

HCQ- where's my money

[Orlando Tim]

9 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

Wait....Donald Trump, the guy living in the Manhattan gold plated penthouse, is now a Red Neck?  Is that the same as Larry Elder, the black guy running for California Governor being called a White Supremacist.  When will it ever end?  Stop labeling people! 

The more he responds the dumber he looks. He thinks Socialism is conservative and Progressives are extremely conservative. 

[Doc]

13 minutes ago, Tenhigh said:

Let's take a test, $5 to the winner at the opener:

 

BillStime is to TRUMP as SectionC3 is to _______.  

 

TRUMP.  He's broken them both.

 

I'll PM you where to send the money.

[SectionC3]

31 minutes ago, Tenhigh said:

Let's take a test, $5 to the winner at the opener:

 

BillStime is to TRUMP as SectionC3 is to _______.  

Where are you on the free hug issue?  I’d focus more on spreading joy than using large letters.  

17 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

TRUMP.  He's broken them both.

 

I'll PM you where to send the money.

We all know it’s the AAPS.  You don’t have to send it via private message. 

[Tenhigh]

26 minutes ago, SectionC3 said:

Where are you on the free hug issue?  I’d focus more on spreading joy than using large letters.  . 

I am here for you when you are ready.  And don't be afraid of fonts, I promise they can't hurt you, I got your back!

[Governor]

2 hours ago, ComradeKayAdams said:

 

I dunno, Mr. Skin-erd, but this is a subforum comprised of ~96% male Gen X’ers/Boomers. The other ~4% is a menstruating Gen Z/Millenial tweener named Commie Kay. For this reason, I almost feel morally obligated to contribute in a thread on abortion? I’ll use my typical numerical outline format to make everything slightly easier to read. Expect a very long post:

 

1. Kay’s Personal Stance on Abortion: I’m pro-life beyond about 8 weeks, which is the approximate point where both electrical brain activity and a heartbeat can be recorded. This is my own arbitrary definition of when an embryo gains “human” status. However, I don’t think I’m psychologically capable of having ANY type of abortion outside the typical extenuating circumstances (*****, rape, my life in danger, very significant deformities/genetic defects of baby, dilation/curettage after miscarriage).

 

2. Kay’s Public Policy Stance on Abortion: I am in favor of safe, legal, and RARE abortions for all three trimesters (something like ~90% happen during the first trimester, ~9% during the second, ~1% during the third). For me, this entire debate simplifies down to acknowledging and weighing the interests of two sides: the life of the embryo/fetus/baby and the health/safety of the mother. Pro-lifers tend to fixate on determining when life begins and, thereby, frequently overlook the consequences of their abortion public policies on the lives of the mothers at all three trimesters. People are going to end up having sex. Women are going to end up seeking abortions. Is it sensible to reintroduce an industry of back-alley abortions because we have collectively decided to prioritize the life of, say, a 7-week old embryo as in the case of Texas SB 8? These mothers aren’t succubi, by the way! These are your daughters, sisters, and female friends! Almost all are innocent victims in this, too, who have been trapped by life’s circumstances into making emotionally traumatic decisions. Don’t think they are victims? Fine, then pray for them. Talk to them. Advise them. Persuade them. But don’t use the government to criminalize them.

 

3. Right-Wing Hypocrisy, Part 1: What is the percentage of pro-lifers who have ever had sex with partners outside the confines of a strongly committed relationship? Or for that matter, what is the percentage of pro-lifers who would be WILLING to have sex with partners outside the confines of a strongly committed relationship? Now of these percentages, how many would still be willing to support a “bastard child” (ew…hate that term) for 18+ years if the birth control or condom fails? And among those who wouldn’t, how many of the men would be willing to equally share the criminal penalty with the involved female?

 

4. Right-Wing Hypocrisy, Part 2: “Congratulations on your birth, little baby! Now go pick yourself up by your tiny bootstraps, get off that pacifier, and get a job!” says a typical right winger (more or less). What more needs to be said here about the crowd who thinks health care isn’t a basic human right? You’re also probably familiar with my social democracy stances on issues like preschool/college/trade school funding, living wages, affordable public housing, etc… The cognitive dissonance among American pro-lifers is stunning to anyone from more sensible countries with much better upward socioeconomic mobility stats. American pro-lifers insist you be born, but thereafter couldn’t care less if your parents are completely unprepared to give you a fighting chance in life. Sanctity of life? Please.

 

5. Primal Explanations: There is a very dark undercurrent of female agency-directed misogyny in the abortion debate that is rooted in evolutionary psychology and anthropology. I shall say no more because it will distract heavily from the rest of my post, but any woman reading this knows exactly what I’m talking about, unfortunately.

 

6. Why Texas SB 8 is So Despicable:

 

6-1. The unreasonably short “heartbeat window” of about 6 weeks. For one thing, you can’t even test for pregnancy during the first 3 weeks. And for a variety of reasons, it is not uncommon for women to have irregular menstrual cycles. Exercise, diet, and stress can play major roles in that regard. Women may also delay having an abortion because of financial/transportation limitations, poor education/misinformation, shame, fear, trauma, or sudden changes to the relationship status with significant others. There can even be significant and unexpected time delays between the initiation of an abortion consultation and the point at which the medical procedure is performed. A woman, for example, could sign up for an abortion appointment well within the first trimester but not have the procedure completed until the second trimester.

 

6-2. No exceptions for rape, *****, health of mother, etc. Ugh. So gross.

 

6-3. The infamously egregious $10k vigilantism component…the fact that all 9 Supreme Court justices didn’t immediately shoot the bill down for this component alone means we may be facing constitutional crises in the very near future. Abject legal stupidity.

 

7. Political Strategy: You asked what all this is REEEEEEEAAAALLLY about, Leh-nerd, but I prefer you speak more directly with me. We’re good PPP friends, after all, no? You believe the Democrats are using this issue to drum up female support in a difficult upcoming midterm election. You also think the far-lefties want to use this issue to pack the court so that they can push their Green New Deal. You would be correct with both accusations lol!! But but BUT…it can also be because they genuinely care about protecting Roe v. Wade, on principle and for the preservation of the nation. It can be all of these things.

 

8. Kay’s Political Threat to Leh-nerd and Crew: The GOP has won the popular vote in a presidential election only once since 1988. They’re barely holding on for 2024, even with the assumed 40 electoral college votes from Texas and the 30 from Florida. But we know that Texas is trending purple. If the Democrats can somehow flip Texas and hold it, the GOP would be rendered all but mathematically eliminated from presidential election competition for a generation…even WITH support from Georgia, Arizona, and those big 3 Midwest states. So if I were you guys, I would be more careful with how you wield those sub-33% approval issues…

 

9. Kay’s Miscellaneous Policy Positions: I am for Supreme Court term limits and for codifying Roe v. Wade with a federal law. I used to be firmly against court packing, but now I see it as potentially necessary to invalidate the judicial branch in case the GOP attempts to govern the entire nation with 5 out-of-touch individuals upholding highly unpopular (i.e. sub-33% approval) policy positions. It’s an affront to democracy. Same goes for the left, too, by the way! I disapprove of the left pushing any policy that has much less than 50% support, with very few exceptions. If one wants to govern the country a certain way, one must first exercise one’s first amendment rights and persuade. You also mentioned gun rights and border control and CRT, Leh-nerd. I’m actually center-right on the first two and completely against CRT, so you would find me vociferously fighting alongside the right wingers if my far-left friends try to subvert the will of the majority on these issues.

 

 

Maybe there is no overarching, top-down GOP strategy on display here? Maybe we’re seeing nothing more than rogue clusters of single-issue grassroots movements starting trouble? Nevertheless, I suppose it’s a good nation-wide political stress test for the GOP to see how far they can push their unpopular (i.e. sub-33% approval) ideas under the guise of the tenth amendment. But are they insane enough to take it too far? Yeah, probably…hehehe. Aren’t our conservative friends so cute in their craziness?! It’s such a shame that I will eventually have to send them to my gulag to finish out their lives.

 

EDIT: ***** = i n c e s t

It’s a very out of touch bunch around here and I’ll leave it at that. I’ve been warning them about the FEMA work camps for a year now. I had jobs picked out for them also.