DeSantis For President in 2024?

[Tommy Callahan]

1 minute ago, redtail hawk said:

Go with a guide.  It will undoubtedly enhance your experience and understanding

its still 2-4 hours to get to the actual display of the ceiling. 

 

and if banning kids cuts it to an hour, good to go.

[Joe Ferguson forever]

5 minutes ago, Chris farley said:

its still 2-4 hours to get to the actual display of the ceiling. 

 

and if banning kids cuts it to an hour, good to go.

not my experience but a stupid argument.  So inegalitarian!

How bout the Basilica in St Peters?

http://stpetersbasilica.info/Altars/PapalAltar/COA-Pedestals.htm

 

btw, the backstory I was told is that Bernini was angry at the Pope for nonpayment and the woman in labor depicts his mistress.  We'll likely never know the true story as Bernini died centuries ago.

Edited March 24, 2023 by redtail hawk

[Tommy Callahan]

16 minutes ago, redtail hawk said:

not my experience but a stupid argument.  So inegalitarian!

How bout the Basilica in St Peters?

http://stpetersbasilica.info/Altars/PapalAltar/COA-Pedestals.htm

On a busy day in Rome, more than 25,000 people pass through the doors of the Vatican Museums. But reaching what many consider the holy grail—The Sistine Chapel—often requires standing in three- to four-hour lines then working your way through the labyrinth that is the museums themselves.

 

https://www.cntraveler.com/story/how-to-skip-the-line-at-the-sistine-chapel#:~:text=On a busy day in,that is the museums themselves.

 

https://tripanthropologist.com/vatican-museum-opening-hours-and-tickets/

 

They have more than an hour waiting time as well, yeah, ban kids. makes it shorter.

 

But at the end of the day, the Sistine chapel has nothing to do with entities promoting surgery and life ling hormonal treatments to children though books and activist playing teachers and administrators. (and massive money and advertising from Political pacs hiding as social justice pacs)

 

its a strange false dichotomy.

 

 

16 minutes ago, redtail hawk said:

not my experience but a stupid argument.  So inegalitarian!

Egalitarianism is a trend of thought in political philosophy. An egalitarian favors equality of some sort: People should get the same, or be treated the same, or be treated as equals, in some respect. An alternative view expands on this last-mentioned option: People should be treated as equals, should treat one another as equals, should relate as equals, or enjoy an equality of social status of some sort. Egalitarian doctrines tend to rest on a background idea that all human persons are equal in fundamental worth or moral status. So far as the Western European and Anglo-American philosophical tradition is concerned, one significant source of this thought is the Christian notion that God loves all human souls equally. Egalitarianism is a protean doctrine, because there are several different types of equality, or ways in which people might be treated the same, or might relate as equals, that might be thought desirable. In modern democratic societies, the term “egalitarian” is often used to refer to a position that favors, for any of a wide array of reasons, a greater degree of equality of income and wealth across persons than currently exists.

 

https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/egalitarianism/

Edited March 24, 2023 by Chris farley

[Joe Ferguson forever]

2 minutes ago, Chris farley said:

On a busy day in Rome, more than 25,000 people pass through the doors of the Vatican Museums. But reaching what many consider the holy grail—The Sistine Chapel—often requires standing in three- to four-hour lines then working your way through the labyrinth that is the museums themselves.

 

https://www.cntraveler.com/story/how-to-skip-the-line-at-the-sistine-chapel#:~:text=On a busy day in,that is the museums themselves.

 

https://tripanthropologist.com/vatican-museum-opening-hours-and-tickets/

 

They have more than an hour waiting time as well, yeah, ban kids. makes it shorter.

 

But at the end of the day, the Sistine chapel has nothing to do with entities promoting surgery and life ling hormonal treatments to children though books and activist playing teachers and administrators. (and massive money and advertising from Political pacs hiding as social justice pacs)

 

its a strange false dichotomy.

 

 

https://www.contexttravel.com/cities/rome?&utm_campaign=📍[Product]RomeVaticanTours&campaignid=736946342&adgroupid=145102279813&adid=645206388621&utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_term=vatican sistine chapel tours&utm_content=645206388621&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIvuXjw730_QIVbPHjBx3lWQeeEAAYASAAEgKRffD_BwE

 

Priority Access

It has everything to do with censorship.  A teacher just lost her job for showing 6th graders David in Tallahassee.

[Tommy Callahan]

2 minutes ago, redtail hawk said:

https://www.contexttravel.com/cities/rome?&utm_campaign=📍[Product]RomeVaticanTours&campaignid=736946342&adgroupid=145102279813&adid=645206388621&utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_term=vatican sistine chapel tours&utm_content=645206388621&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIvuXjw730_QIVbPHjBx3lWQeeEAAYASAAEgKRffD_BwE

 

Priority Access

It has everything to do with censorship.  A teacher just lost her job for showing 6th graders David in Tallahassee.

Sounds like your running with one part of the story and only a persons version.  Sounds like their is a lot more to it than this one incident.

 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/an-interview-with-the-school-board-chair-who-forced-out-a-principal-after-michelangelo-s-david-was-shown-in-class/ar-AA190dDk

 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/offbeat/florida-school-principal-says-she-was-fired-for-teaching-children-about-michelangelo-s-david/ar-AA18ZTeE

 

Again, its her stating she thinks it could have something to do with that.  while the school says its a pattern of something.

 

Most fired employees tend to have some ugly stories about their employer.

 

And being a charter is it under the same umbrella as public?

[Joe Ferguson forever]

13 minutes ago, Chris farley said:

Sounds like your running with one part of the story and only a persons version.  Sounds like their is a lot more to it than this one incident.

 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/an-interview-with-the-school-board-chair-who-forced-out-a-principal-after-michelangelo-s-david-was-shown-in-class/ar-AA190dDk

 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/offbeat/florida-school-principal-says-she-was-fired-for-teaching-children-about-michelangelo-s-david/ar-AA18ZTeE

 

Again, its her stating she thinks it could have something to do with that.  while the school says its a pattern of something.

 

Most fired employees tend to have some ugly stories about their employer.

 

And being a charter is it under the same umbrella as public?

You really can't see the forest for the trees.  Or do you just choose not to?

From your cited article:

Just to be clear, last year you sent a notice to parents warning them that students were going to see Michelangelo’s David?

Yes. This year we made an egregious mistake. We didn’t send that notice. Look, we’re not a public school. We’re a public charter. Parents, after they saw all the crap that’s being taught in public schools during COVID, decided of their own that they didn’t want their children to be taught that. Here we teach the Hillsdale Curriculum, focusing on civic and moral values. We teach a traditional Western civilization, liberal classical education . 🤫And if there’s controversial topics or subjects, we tell parents in advance. We’re going to be sensitive to everybody at the school.

 

Everybody except Michelangelo and classic art fans, it seems.

Edited March 24, 2023 by redtail hawk

[Joe Ferguson forever]

10 minutes ago, SUNY_amherst said:

Every time meatball says “woke” take a drink

 

hes a dumb jock and a one trick pony

Seems ones ancestry needs to be Germanic to avoid nickname ridicule from trump...don't think he's dumb but he only possesses one part of evil genius

Edited March 24, 2023 by redtail hawk

[Tommy Callahan]

14 minutes ago, redtail hawk said:

You really can't see the forest for the trees.  Or do you just choose not to?

Critical thinking skills. when the usual voices run with the usual over the top stories. I like to research before just accepting as fact.

and the other reporting showed that its just this fired lady's story. at this point its foolish to just take headlines as fact. 

 

 

 

And the employer is not allowed by law to disclose her HR file, or reason.

 

 

Edited March 24, 2023 by Chris farley

[Joe Ferguson forever]

3 minutes ago, Chris farley said:

Critical thinking skills. when the usual voices run with the usual over the top stories. I like to research before just accepting as fact.

and the other reporting showed that its just this fired lady's story.  

 

And the employer is not allowed by law to disclose her HR file, or reason.

 

 

Did you even bother to read the first article you linked or the part I cut and pasted?  What about David is not "Western civilization, liberal classical education"

Edited March 24, 2023 by redtail hawk

[Tommy Callahan]

I read it. then googled other sources. and the ones with more reading and less author opinions inserted stated the entire narrative of her being fired over david, was her story and did not match the ones that canned her for what they stated was a RECORD of bad behavior.  And linked them.

 

In the real world, a record of bad behavior at work often results in termination. and them terminated people often have a story of how it was all the other people's fault.

 

 

[Joe Ferguson forever]

1 minute ago, Chris farley said:

I read it. then googled other sources. and the ones with more reading and less author opinions inserted stated the entire narrative of her being fired over david, was her story and did not match the ones that canned her for what they stated was a RECORD of bad behavior.  And linked them.

 

In the real world, a record of bad behavior at work often results in termination. and them terminated people often have a story of how it was all the other people's fault.

 

 

The Board of Ed chair gave the quotes dummy.  I guess cuz he didn't mention penis, you missed his meaning.

[Tommy Callahan]

And again it results in ad hominem and lefties talking about genitals.

 

how effing original.

 

SMH

[Doc]

9 hours ago, redtail hawk said:

ask yourself why books on different lifestyle choices are such a threat to people like desantis and his followers.  My bet is that to many, it's a threat to what they define as their manhood.   I don't perceive that they threaten me or my lifestyle at all.  What do you think?  Oh and reproduction is enhanced by pleasure.  It's kinda the impetus or ideally it is.

 

But hey, books on different lifestyle choices can't help with reproduction.  

[Joe Ferguson forever]

19 minutes ago, Chris farley said:

And again it results in ad hominem and lefties talking about genitals.

 

how effing original.

 

SMH

yes, because genitalia and great art never coexist...

https://www.themarginalian.org/2018/11/15/georgia-okeeffe-flower/

Edited March 24, 2023 by redtail hawk

[LeviF]

1 minute ago, Doc said:

 

But hey, books on different lifestyle choices can't help with reproduction.  

 

You mean to tell me that a leftist is engaging in bad faith motte/bailey nonsense? Say it ain't so!

[Joe Ferguson forever]

3 minutes ago, LeviF said:

 

You mean to tell me that a leftist is engaging in bad faith motte/bailey nonsense? Say it ain't so!

It's like the Bills playing the Texans every week.  Odds are the Texans get blown out every time but occasionally they win one...

[Tommy Callahan]

2 minutes ago, redtail hawk said:

It's like the Bills playing the Texans every week.  Odds are the Texans get blown out every time but occasionally they win one...

that works once one understands the lefties in here, are the Texans in that analogy:) 

 

 

[LeviF]

1 minute ago, Chris farley said:

that works once one understands the lefties in here, are the Texans in that analogy:) 

 

 

 

lol we can bask in being correct but that doesn't mean that leftists haven't won basically every cultural and social "battle" of the last 60 years. The GOP now is basically just another liberal institution, they just disagree with Democrats on how to achieve liberalism.

 

The occasional win example from last year is the Dobbs case. The funniest part of the shrieking from leftists about fascism and what have you afterward is that, in order for the leftist narrative to continue, they had to pretend that their win-loss record over the past six decades was basically reversed with one small victory for the right. It's the Pats* with Brady or the Chiefs pretending that they're the Texans because they laid one egg.

[Joe Ferguson forever]

19 minutes ago, Chris farley said:

that works once one understands the lefties in here, are the Texans in that analogy:) 

 

 

Losing the senate and barely gaining the house in a midterm with a democratic prez isn't winning.  but if you are happy, I'm happy.  Come on 2024!

17 minutes ago, LeviF said:

It's the Pats* with Brady or the Chiefs pretending that they're the Texans

Do we get a choice?  Taking the Chiefs...

[All_Pro_Bills]

8 minutes ago, redtail hawk said:

Losing the senate and barely gaining the house in a midterm with a democratic prez isn't winning.  but if you are happy, I'm happy.  Come on 2024!

That's a good point.  Its like those moral victories many used to celebrate on Monday morning during the Bills playoff drought after they played tough but lost to New England by just a field goal.    

 

 

[Joe Ferguson forever]

1 minute ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

That's a good point.  Its like those moral victories many used to celebrate on Monday morning during the Bills playoff drought after they played tough but lost to New England by just a field goal.    

 

 

Except in this example the dems are the patriots and were disappointed to only win by 3.

[ChiGoose]

Illinois House passes bill prohibiting book bans

 

Glad I live in a state that respects education and opposes government censorship.

 

Wonder how all the pro-DeSantis people would feel about Hochul deciding what books kids can read in NY…?

[LeviF]

26 minutes ago, ChiGoose said:

Illinois House passes bill prohibiting book bans

 

Glad I live in a state that respects education and opposes government censorship.

 

Wonder how all the pro-DeSantis people would feel about Hochul deciding what books kids can read in NY…?

 

Your question is irrelevant because it is based on a faulty premise.

 

As has already been stated, leftists completed the ideological capture of k-12 education in this country some time ago. Hochul does not "decide" what books kids can read because the very foundations of the educational system are designed to produce the results that people like Hochul want by default.

[Orlando Tim]

3 hours ago, redtail hawk said:

It explains a lot that you can't spell the title.  However, my school didn't have it.  We did study Michelangelo however.  I saw the Pieta in NYC when I was about 6.  Read much?

Your best catch against me is I missed an autocorrect, score for you. If your school did not have it why are you fighting for my child to have access to it?

59 minutes ago, ChiGoose said:

Illinois House passes bill prohibiting book bans

 

Glad I live in a state that respects education and opposes government censorship.

 

Wonder how all the pro-DeSantis people would feel about Hochul deciding what books kids can read in NY…?

This is gonna fun when a teacher puts a straight up porn book in their class and then sue when they are removed. Why is it Goose that you are so dedicated to children learning where you want to stick your anatomy?

[Joe Ferguson forever]

18 minutes ago, Orlando Tim said:

Your best catch against me is I missed an autocorrect, score for you. If your school did not have it why are you fighting for my child to have access to it?

This is gonna fun when a teacher puts a straight up porn book in their class and then sue when they are removed. Why is it Goose that you are so dedicated to children learning where you want to stick your anatomy?

My best catch against you is attacking your argument:  book banning is bad.  porn for kids is bad.  the two are not mutually exclusive.  but the former could lead to a ban on sexually related material for anyone including adults.  And with some arbitrary MAGA deciding what is bad and what is not.

A solid catch I think.  Not special but solid.

Edited March 24, 2023 by redtail hawk

[Orlando Tim]

1 minute ago, redtail hawk said:

My best catch against you is attacking your argument:  book banning is bad.  porn for kids is bad.  the two are not mutually exclusive.  but the former could lead to a ban on sexually related material for anyone including adults.  And with some arbitrary MAGA deciding what is bad and what is not.

A solid catch I think.  Not special but solid.

Once again can you name one book that is banned on Florida? The kama sutra is available at OCLS library, so you are 0 for 1, unless you actually believe that any limitation at a workplace is the same as banning. 

[Joe Ferguson forever]

2 minutes ago, Orlando Tim said:

Once again can you name one book that is banned on Florida? The kama sutra is available at OCLS library, so you are 0 for 1, unless you actually believe that any limitation at a workplace is the same as banning. 

@ChiGoose recently posted an extensive list.  The books were described as banned.  So, yes, our definition of that word differs.

Edited March 24, 2023 by redtail hawk

[Orlando Tim]

Just now, redtail hawk said:

@ChiGoose recently posted an extensive list.  The books were described as banned.  So, yes, are definition of that word differs.

So since someone else is incompetent you will let them lead you? 

[B-Man]

 

REMINDER: You can buy any of these books for your kids if you like. But "activists" are going to try and get them to your kids, even if you object.

 

 

[Joe Ferguson forever]

13 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

REMINDER: You can buy any of these books for your kids if you like. But "activists" are going to try and get them to your kids, even if you object.

 

 

They said it could never happen...already has.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/virginia-barnes-and-noble-tommy-altman-tim-anderson-ban-gender-*****-court-of-mist-and-fury/

[Tommy Callahan]

2 hours ago, ChiGoose said:

Illinois House passes bill prohibiting book bans

 

Glad I live in a state that respects education and opposes government censorship.

 

Wonder how all the pro-DeSantis people would feel about Hochul deciding what books kids can read in NY…?

Again, they seem to be focused on that one book, gender *****. the one with visual aspects that would get one banned from social media for sharing.  

 

Seems like just yesterday the tables were the other way with the left demanding DR Suess books be taken from School libraries because they were called racist. or the mark twain books?  kill a mockingbird?  Steven King?  all books that were taken out of public schools or changed to make acceptable for public schools.

 

IS that state going to have The Protocols of the Elders of Zion and other actual banned books now on its shelves?

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited March 24, 2023 by Chris farley

[Roundybout]

 

[Tommy Callahan]

the troll teacher that got fired for challenging the employers' policies has sour grapes.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[ChiGoose]

1 hour ago, Orlando Tim said:

This is gonna fun when a teacher puts a straight up porn book in their class and then sue when they are removed. Why is it Goose that you are so dedicated to children learning where you want to stick your anatomy?

So there are these things, they are called librarians. And what they do is use their specialized training to ensure that there are a variety of books available. As far as I am aware, there hasn’t been a case of a school librarian putting Playboys in the school library. If they did, they would likely be fired. 
 

But you know what? The governor of the state wouldn’t be involved in that. In fact, the government itself wouldn’t be involved at all except to the extent that in public schools the principal firing the librarian would be a public employee. 

It’s odd to me that the party of small government wants to the government take over deciding what kids can read away from the schools. It’s also odd that they just absolutely cannot stop thinking about sex. Like, a book about two penguins raising an adopted baby penguin makes them think it’s teaching kids about sex. Seems like they’re just telling on themselves for their own perverted hang ups. 
 

 

22 minutes ago, Chris farley said:

Again, they seem to be focused on that one book, gender *****. the one with visual aspects that would get one banned from social media for sharing.  

 

Seems like just yesterday the tables were the other way with the left demanding DR Suess books be taken from School libraries because they were called racist. or the mark twain books?  kill a mockingbird?  Steven King?  all books that were taken out of public schools or changed to make acceptable for public schools.

 

IS that state going to have The Protocols of the Elders of Zion and other actual banned books now on its shelves?

 

 

 

 

 

 

Important distinction: the Dr Seuss situation (like the Roald Dahl one) originated from the owners of the IP, not the government. Nobody told them to edit the books, they were not forced to do it, and they faced criticism for doing it from both the left and the right. 
 

If the government was editing and censoring the books, you would have a point here. But they weren’t, so you don’t. 

[Tommy Callahan]

Small government like actual representation at the local level.   

 

and the Mob and a very partisan librarian led that BS.  Was all cause Milania donated them to a DTS sufferer.  Was never even a topic till that librarian threw her ars..

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Joe Ferguson forever]

1 hour ago, Orlando Tim said:

So since someone else is incompetent you will let them lead you? 

What’s the conversation like in your faculty lunch room?  Is there a MAGA table?

[ChiGoose]

42 minutes ago, Chris farley said:

Small government like actual representation at the local level.   

 

and the Mob and a very partisan librarian led that BS.  Was all cause Milania donated them to a DTS sufferer.  Was never even a topic till that librarian threw her ars..

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If you cannot tell the difference between public pressure from activists and the actual government, then maybe sit this one out, bud. 

[Doc]

1 hour ago, Chris farley said:

Again, they seem to be focused on that one book, gender *****. the one with visual aspects that would get one banned from social media for sharing.  

 

Seems like just yesterday the tables were the other way with the left demanding DR Suess books be taken from School libraries because they were called racist. or the mark twain books?  kill a mockingbird?  Steven King?  all books that were taken out of public schools or changed to make acceptable for public schools.

 

IS that state going to have The Protocols of the Elders of Zion and other actual banned books now on its shelves?

 

Not to mention fired from work.  But hey, it's OK for kids...

Edited March 24, 2023 by Doc

[SoCal Deek]

1 hour ago, redtail hawk said:

What’s the conversation like in your faculty lunch room?  Is there a MAGA table?

It’s interesting you bring that up. In California conservative minded teachers need to speak in hushed tones. And I’m not kidding.

[Roundybout]

https://www.vox.com/policy/2023/3/24/23649277/dont-say-period-florida-republicans-restricting-sex-education
 

Are you a fourth grade girl curious about your looming first period? Too bad! Talking about it is soon to be illegal under DeSantis’ administration. Can’t sexualize children, you know. 

Edited March 24, 2023 by Roundybout