Tommy Callahan Posted February 2, 2023 Share Posted February 2, 2023 welp. "The Sarasota Herald-Tribune reports that teachers have been instructed to remove all books from their classroom libraries that have not yet been approved by a certified media specialist." and is being reported by Alejandra Caraballo on twitter The message that the district sent out states that the material must be, “free of pornography” and “appropriate for the age level and group.” that sounds horrible. https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/florida-teachers-forced-remove-books-192705307.html It all sounds like some administrators and teachers creating story for political reasons. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted February 2, 2023 Share Posted February 2, 2023 46 minutes ago, Roundybout said: What false information, exactly? Are all books appropriate for all ages? Of course not. There are books that kids should just not be reading and that's what is being done. I mean we have ratings on movies don't we? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cle23 Posted February 2, 2023 Share Posted February 2, 2023 17 minutes ago, Chris farley said: welp. "The Sarasota Herald-Tribune reports that teachers have been instructed to remove all books from their classroom libraries that have not yet been approved by a certified media specialist." and is being reported by Alejandra Caraballo on twitter The message that the district sent out states that the material must be, “free of pornography” and “appropriate for the age level and group.” that sounds horrible. https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/florida-teachers-forced-remove-books-192705307.html It all sounds like some administrators and teachers creating story for political reasons. I think we can all agree that students at younger ages should not be exposed to certain levels of more mature content. I don't know the exact deadline of when you can start introducing educational material ( I hope we can all agree that school age students should never be exposed to random sexually explicit things). The issue here is now an appointed "expert" is the one determining these things. Showing nude anatomy for educational purposes at the appropriate age should be taught and encouraged, not banned. Appointing an "expert" that simply agrees with your party on all the issues in and of itself makes this political. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Callahan Posted February 2, 2023 Share Posted February 2, 2023 27 minutes ago, cle23 said: I think we can all agree that students at younger ages should not be exposed to certain levels of more mature content. I don't know the exact deadline of when you can start introducing educational material ( I hope we can all agree that school age students should never be exposed to random sexually explicit things). The issue here is now an appointed "expert" is the one determining these things. Showing nude anatomy for educational purposes at the appropriate age should be taught and encouraged, not banned. Appointing an "expert" that simply agrees with your party on all the issues in and of itself makes this political. I can't disagree with that. but at this point, we have yet to see if any of those (anatomy as science) are being unfairly removed. https://www.baynews9.com/fl/tampa/news/2022/02/02/polk-county-group-proposes-book-ban-#:~:text=What You Need To Know 1 The group,removed from shelves while a review is conducted I looked up the bluest eye as that's one of the books on the list. it sounds like a good book, for kids old enough to understand the allegories and symbolisms. "I destroyed white baby dolls. But the dismembering of dolls was not the true horror. The truly horrifying thing was the transference of the same impulses to little white girls. The indifference with which I could have axed them was shaken only by my desire to do so." "Sort of." "He showed his privates to you?" "Noooo. He touched me." "Where?" "Here and here." She pointed to her tiny breasts that, like two fallen acorns, ... Even Time did an entire series on the ten top book controversies in 2007, that book was on it. https://entertainment.time.com/2007/10/02/top-10-book-controversies/slide/the-bluest-eye-by-toni-morrison/#:~:text=Excerpt%3A “I destroyed white baby,my desire to do so. Seems like that would be a good book for advanced or high school kids Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted February 2, 2023 Share Posted February 2, 2023 3 hours ago, Roundybout said: Name one reason to ban the books that they are. I’ll wait. I don’t have to name a reason… I’m just a working class guy from upstate NY…So frankly, I don’t give a damn what’s going on in Florida, just like I couldn’t care less about what’s going on in California… The only people who need to give a reason are the Florida governor, the state legislature, and the people who voted them into office…👍 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted February 2, 2023 Share Posted February 2, 2023 Just now, JaCrispy said: I don’t have to name a reason… I’m just a working class guy from upstate NY…So frankly, I don’t give a damn what’s going on in Florida, just like I couldn’t care less about what’s going on in California… The only people who need to give a reason are the Florida governor, the state legislature, and the people who voted them into office…👍 Wow, someone singing a different tune today... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted February 2, 2023 Share Posted February 2, 2023 Ron taking credit for Biden's $1.2B for Rural Broadband legislative WIN and still couldn't get it right. idiots 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Callahan Posted February 2, 2023 Share Posted February 2, 2023 Seems like just yesterday I was in a HIGH school in NY and they were removing Mark twain books until they were re wrote to remove bad terms. you know how bad old huck fin is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted February 2, 2023 Share Posted February 2, 2023 12 minutes ago, Chris farley said: Seems like just yesterday I was in a HIGH school in NY and they were removing Mark twain books until they were re wrote to remove bad terms. you know how bad old huck fin is. The ink on the Mark Twain books was barely dry when I first read them. 😆 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Callahan Posted February 2, 2023 Share Posted February 2, 2023 I forgot all about the hoopla to ban kill a mockingbird. or even the drama about DR Sueses being racist cause Milania tried donating them to a school. https://www.insider.com/banned-books-schools-2018-11#the-harry-potter-series-by-jk-rowling-has-been-banned-several-times-2 https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/education/wp/2017/09/28/racist-propaganda-librarian-rejects-melania-trumps-gift-of-dr-seuss-books/ https://www.nbcnews.com/news/nbcblk/reckoning-dr-seuss-racist-imagery-has-been-years-making-n1259330 https://medium.com/@rachelbach347/the-hidden-racism-in-dr-seuss-literature-780dfc13ae93 and here is the Obama white house reading them racist tripe to kids years prior. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETjcBmdL6As&t=38s 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Tim Posted February 2, 2023 Share Posted February 2, 2023 8 hours ago, Roundybout said: Name one reason to ban the books that they are. I’ll wait. Why do you think 6 year olds should be allowed to read books about where to stick their penis? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted February 2, 2023 Share Posted February 2, 2023 8 minutes ago, Orlando Tim said: Why do you think 6 year olds should be allowed to read books about where to stick their penis? Everybody needs lovin, man…don’t be such a prude…😉 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted February 2, 2023 Share Posted February 2, 2023 53 minutes ago, Orlando Tim said: Why do you think 6 year olds should be allowed to read books about where to stick their penis? Name one book where this is happening. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted February 2, 2023 Share Posted February 2, 2023 45 minutes ago, Roundybout said: Name one book where this is happening. No. You don't get to play childish games, where you simply continue down your fairy-tale path. There are multiple references to what is in the books that have been deemed inappropriate for schoolchildren in almost every link provided here. It is was happening and that is why the State education board stepped in. Play the fool if you want to Roundy, but don't expect us to dance along with you. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Tim Posted February 3, 2023 Share Posted February 3, 2023 2 hours ago, Roundybout said: Name one book where this is happening. L8r g8r 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeviF Posted February 3, 2023 Share Posted February 3, 2023 Actually two can play at that game. Which books did the nazis burn? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted February 3, 2023 Share Posted February 3, 2023 7 hours ago, Chris farley said: I forgot all about the hoopla to ban kill a mockingbird. or even the drama about DR Sueses being racist cause Milania tried donating them to a school. milania or melena? 11 minutes ago, LeviF said: Actually two can play at that game. Which books did the nazis burn? not too difficult to find. Albert Einstein and G.K. Chesterton is as far as I got before nausea set in(is sartre on the list?) and your point? mine is that it's a slippery slope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeviF Posted February 3, 2023 Share Posted February 3, 2023 8 minutes ago, redtail hawk said: milania or melena? not too difficult to find. Albert Einstein and G.K. Chesterton is as far as I got before nausea set in(is sartre on the list?) and your point? mine is that it's a slippery slope. Lol sure, the nazis really hated physics. The actual slippery slope is allowing such filth to be read by anyone in the first place. The kentler project is the intellectual child of Weimar era thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted February 3, 2023 Share Posted February 3, 2023 (edited) 9 minutes ago, LeviF said: Lol sure, the nazis really hated physics. The actual slippery slope is allowing such filth to be read by anyone in the first place. The kentler project is the intellectual child of Weimar era thought. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_authors_banned_in_Nazi_Germany Ernest Hemingway. Aldous Huxley. F. Scott Fitzgerald. terrible authors!! Who needs to think outside the box? conform! btw, Clarence Thomas says Hi. https://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/clarence-thomas-obsessed-porn-colleague-girlfriend-interview-article-1.188942 Edited February 3, 2023 by redtail hawk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeviF Posted February 3, 2023 Share Posted February 3, 2023 6 minutes ago, redtail hawk said: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_authors_banned_in_Nazi_Germany Ernest Hemingway. Aldous Huxley. terrible authors!! Who needs to think outside the box? conform! btw, Clarence Thomas says Hi. https://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/clarence-thomas-obsessed-porn-colleague-girlfriend-interview-article-1.188942 "I have nothing to be afraid of," McEwen, who is currently shopping her memoir, said. lol, lmao. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted February 3, 2023 Share Posted February 3, 2023 (edited) 4 minutes ago, LeviF said: "I have nothing to be afraid of," McEwen, who is currently shopping her memoir, said. lol, lmao. it was an aside (btw). what about the banned authors? hilarious. do you think the Nazi's were right here? got something against "A farewell to Arms"? Ernest Hemingway's wartime love story "A Farewell to Arms" was banned in Italy in 1929 because of its painfully accurate account of the Italian retreat from Caporetto, and challenged by the Vernon-Verona-Sherill, N.Y., School District in 1980 as a "sex novel." Edited February 3, 2023 by redtail hawk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeviF Posted February 3, 2023 Share Posted February 3, 2023 1 minute ago, redtail hawk said: it was an aside (btw). what about the banned authors? hilarious. do you think the Nazi's were right here? Why should anybody allow books advocating for pedophilia and other abominations? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted February 3, 2023 Share Posted February 3, 2023 (edited) 3 minutes ago, LeviF said: Why should anybody allow books advocating for pedophilia and other abominations? yes, the great Gatsby is filth. 1984 was not prophetic and G.K. Chesterton's works were pure porn. do u believe the nazi's were correct? Oh, and Einstein produced nothing of value. Edited February 3, 2023 by redtail hawk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeviF Posted February 3, 2023 Share Posted February 3, 2023 3 minutes ago, redtail hawk said: yes, the great Gatsby is filth. 1984 was not prophetic and G.K. Chesterton's works were pure porn. do u believe the nazi's were correct? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Institut_für_Sexualwissenschaft Consider while you read that Wikipedia whitewashes anything to do with homosexuals. Then when you’re done you can look up kentler. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Roundybout Posted February 3, 2023 Share Posted February 3, 2023 (edited) 16 hours ago, B-Man said: No. You don't get to play childish games, where you simply continue down your fairy-tale path. There are multiple references to what is in the books that have been deemed inappropriate for schoolchildren in almost every link provided here. It is was happening and that is why the State education board stepped in. Play the fool if you want to Roundy, but don't expect us to dance along with you. If there are so many, surely it would be easy for you to name one maybe you could start by telling me why AP Black History was banned! What, specifically, was so inappropriate? Or, will you give me another cowardly cop out? 14 hours ago, Orlando Tim said: L8r g8r So you have nothing but what Carlson tells you to be afraid of every day. Some way to live. Edited February 3, 2023 by Roundybout 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted February 3, 2023 Share Posted February 3, 2023 10 hours ago, LeviF said: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Institut_für_Sexualwissenschaft Whitewashes any thing to do with homosexuals Consider while you read that Then when you’re done you can look up kentler. Wow. perhaps we should open a topic just on homosexuality and maybe one on human sexuality and its study. Seems there's much to disagree with you on. Do you think physically attacking people and destroying the work of someone you disagree with on cultural matters is right? More to the point, I'll ask again. Do you think the Nazis were right generally? Trying to put that aside, what about the authors on the list whose books were burned that had no sexual theme: Huxley's Brave New World, Ulysses by James Joyce, War and Peace by Tolstoy, The Invisible Man by Wells along with many others. Ironic that you chose the word whitewash when that is figuratively what the Nazis did to whole swaths of important literature. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeviF Posted February 3, 2023 Share Posted February 3, 2023 3 minutes ago, redtail hawk said: Wow. perhaps we should open a topic just on homosexuality and maybe one on human sexuality and its study. Seems there's much to disagree with you on. Do you think physically attacking people and destroying the work of someone you disagree with on cultural matters is right? More to the point, I'll ask again. Do you think the Nazis were right generally? Trying to put that aside, what about the authors on the list whose books were burned that had no sexual theme: Huxley's Brave New World, Ulysses by James Joyce, War and Peace by Tolstoy, The Invisible Man by Wells along with many others. Ironic that you chose the word whitewash when that is figuratively what the Nazis did to whole swaths of important literature. Punishing your enemies and rewarding your friends is what politics is. Do I agree generally with the party line of the NSDAP? No. Fascism is ALWAYS a response to hostile communist takeover of one's culture. And like every reactionary movement it's an overcorrection. But it's what you flirt with when you purposefully degrade a culture through sexual subversion and the undermining of the family structure. A ***** around and find out scenario, if you will. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted February 3, 2023 Share Posted February 3, 2023 (edited) 30 minutes ago, LeviF said: Punishing your enemies and rewarding your friends is what politics is. Do I agree generally with the party line of the NSDAP? No. Fascism is ALWAYS a response to hostile communist takeover of one's culture. And like every reactionary movement it's an overcorrection. But it's what you flirt with when you purposefully degrade a culture through sexual subversion and the undermining of the family structure. A ***** around and find out scenario, if you will. No, fascism is about proposing simple solutions to complex problems in order to gain control and power and then not actually having the solutions. Thus force becomes necessary. A spark in the form of a perceived common enemy and anger by the (usually minority) disenfranchised are generally required for ignition. Hitler certainly didn't live his sexual life in a nuclear family. So the irony cascades. But what of the nonsexual books burned? You keep avoiding those. Consider this quote from Smithsonian Magazine on book burning: "People saw knowledge as a way to change themselves, and the world, and so it became a far more dangerous commodity, no longer controlled exclusively by the elite. What better way to reshape the balance of power and send a message at the same time than by burning books?" Sound familiar? It's been done many times throughout history almost exclusively by authoritarians. And it's always wrong. Edited February 3, 2023 by redtail hawk 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted February 3, 2023 Share Posted February 3, 2023 37 minutes ago, Roundybout said: If there are so many, surely it would be easy for you to name one maybe you could start by telling me why AP Black History was banned! What, specifically, was so inappropriate? Or, will you give me another cowardly cop out? So you have nothing but what Carlson tells you to be afraid of every day. Some way to live. https://www.npr.org/2023/02/01/1153364556/ap-african-american-studies-black-history-florida-desantis The course wasn't banned certain topics were banned. Let's make sure we're clear here 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted February 3, 2023 Share Posted February 3, 2023 8 minutes ago, aristocrat said: https://www.npr.org/2023/02/01/1153364556/ap-african-american-studies-black-history-florida-desantis The course wasn't banned certain topics were banned. Let's make sure we're clear here Interesting that you found NPR as a source of in depth info here. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted February 3, 2023 Share Posted February 3, 2023 1 minute ago, redtail hawk said: Interesting that you found NPR as a source of in depth info here. So is the course banned or not? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted February 3, 2023 Share Posted February 3, 2023 1 minute ago, aristocrat said: So is the course banned or not? certain topics were banned. not good imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted February 3, 2023 Share Posted February 3, 2023 Just now, redtail hawk said: certain topics were banned. not good imo. well his comment was that the course was banned when in fact it wasn't. wanted to make sure we're clear there. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted February 3, 2023 Share Posted February 3, 2023 (edited) 7 minutes ago, aristocrat said: well his comment was that the course was banned when in fact it wasn't. wanted to make sure we're clear there. so, do you think this is sound thinking?: Florida officials last month issued a chart that said it promoted the idea that modern American society oppresses Black people, was inappropriate, and uses articles by critics of capitalism. So that we can all argue each point from a knowledgable base, here is the Fla document: Edited February 3, 2023 by redtail hawk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted February 3, 2023 Share Posted February 3, 2023 3 minutes ago, redtail hawk said: so, do you think this is sound thinking: Florida officials last month issued a chart that said it promoted the idea that modern American society oppresses Black people, was inappropriate, and uses articles by critics of capitalism. Just to be clear the course wasn't banned right? Seems like an important distinction here. All societies oppress people and grow off the backs of people. The Blacks as slaves, the Chinese building the railroad, Irish, etc. We didn't invent slavery or oppression here but we created an environment to allow oppression to decline over time. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Tim Posted February 3, 2023 Share Posted February 3, 2023 1 hour ago, Roundybout said: So you have nothing but what Carlson tells you to be afraid of every day. Some way to live. Please explain what Tucker has to do with this book being at one of the local elementary schools? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted February 3, 2023 Share Posted February 3, 2023 (edited) 8 minutes ago, aristocrat said: Just to be clear the course wasn't banned right? Seems like an important distinction here. All societies oppress people and grow off the backs of people. The Blacks as slaves, the Chinese building the railroad, Irish, etc. We didn't invent slavery or oppression here but we created an environment to allow oppression to decline over time. yes, and why should that history be whitewashed? What are they afraid of by recounting history? What is their purpose ? Why not remove all anti Irish immigrant history as well? perhaps remove the history of sweat shops? Edited February 3, 2023 by redtail hawk 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted February 3, 2023 Share Posted February 3, 2023 2 minutes ago, redtail hawk said: yes, and why should that history be whitewashed? What are they afraid of by recounting history? What is their purpose ? "Lather, Rinse' Repeat. . . . . . . .the same false claim over and over. It is NOT whitewashed. That is the point that you cannot refute. History about the horrors of slavery and the fight for Civil Rights continues to be taught, just as always Just not through the lying prism of 1619 and CRT. It is the recent 'educators who are trying to 'recount' their course. What is their purpose ? (ooh, name the book that has been whitewashed) 😆 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted February 3, 2023 Share Posted February 3, 2023 3 minutes ago, redtail hawk said: yes, and why should that history be whitewashed? What are they afraid of by recounting history? What is their purpose ? Getting rid of BLM topics is probably a good thing...what are they going to teach? Rioting to the point of killing dozens, destroying billions in property and then embezzling the donations? Yikes not a good look in the history books. Reparations? Who gets them and who pays them? Do the nations who sold the slaves to the south pay up? Do the soldiers families who fought for the North get paid? Does that mean I get some? How are they teaching this stuff? You also can't cover every topic in these courses so some are going to be left out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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