Tommy Callahan Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 5 minutes ago, LeviF said: In Soviet Russia, bottom line looks at you! With a rope in one hand, a rusty knife in the other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, redtail hawk said: you say just about anything, I say bs... Russia WAS involved in election interference favoring trump. Russia was involved in election interference. Everyone acknowledges that. They favored both sides, maybe Trump more because Hilly was thought to be a shoo-in and they wanted to sow discord. But the Dems did far more damage than Putin ever could and that favoritism did nothing for Trump and he did nothing for Russia when he became President. Edited February 28, 2023 by Doc 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Tim Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 2 hours ago, redtail hawk said: no, I trust the scientists who spent their adult lives studying virology and genomic sequencing. There appears to be no consensus altho the majority of intelligence agencies and their robust virology scientists still believe that the virus occurred naturally. All agree it wasn't a bioweapon and occurred in a part of the world ripe for its natural occurrence. Yes, China could answer the question but they won't. So we need to go on the scientific analyses we have. after searching for new source material (there is little) and posting what I found, I think this aptly describes the current knowledge base of the scientific community:: https://www.cnn.com/2023/02/27/politics/covid-lab-leak-what-matters/index.html “We don’t just take information or just take a feeling and turn it into analysis,” she said. “We’re actually doing a rigorous process and that’s why we don’t know yet. The evidence isn’t there.” If you are missing info and don't go back to the fact that the Wuhan lab was working on COVID and have a history of poor security as part of your analysis then you are not taking into account the whole picture. The fact that it was a "conspiracy theory" for so long tells me that their is no rigorous process. They admit they can't do a rigorous process because you need all the information to be rigorous but they are missing so much. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDHillFan Posted March 1, 2023 Share Posted March 1, 2023 21 hours ago, redtail hawk said: I think it's more than50/50 that the virus is natural. haven't looked at it in a while but RNA sequence was strongly felt to be from natural and not synthetic origin. read section 2.1 - early paper but too tired to look deeper right now. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7280997/ You should touch base with the FBI and let them know they are going down the wrong path. #pangolins 3 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted March 1, 2023 Share Posted March 1, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, JDHillFan said: You should touch base with the FBI and let them know they are going down the wrong path. #pangolins perhaps we should wait and see what the other agencies say: Four other intelligence agencies that officials haven’t named and the National Intelligence Council, which conducts long-term strategic analysis, still favor the theory that the virus emerged when it leapt from an animal to a human, though with “low confidence.” (from the above article) 5-2, natural vs lab origin so not a done deal...I feel "more than 50/50 is supported that fact Edited March 1, 2023 by redtail hawk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeviF Posted March 1, 2023 Share Posted March 1, 2023 Yes because the intelligence apparatus in this country would never lie to the American people. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDHillFan Posted March 1, 2023 Share Posted March 1, 2023 29 minutes ago, redtail hawk said: perhaps we should wait and see what the other agencies say: Four other intelligence agencies that officials haven’t named and the National Intelligence Council, which conducts long-term strategic analysis, still favor the theory that the virus emerged when it leapt from an animal to a human, though with “low confidence.” (from the above article) 5-2, natural vs lab origin so not a done deal...I feel "more than 50/50 is supported that fact Yesterday you were mocking “low confidence”. Apparently it suits you today. No surprise. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted March 1, 2023 Share Posted March 1, 2023 (edited) 8 hours ago, JDHillFan said: Yesterday you were mocking “low confidence”. Apparently it suits you today. No surprise. well maybe its because no one really knows, as I previously said. The RNA sequencing hasn't changed. but somehow, many on this board no much better than the intelligence agencies and scientists. weird... 8 hours ago, LeviF said: Yes because the intelligence apparatus in this country would never lie to the American people. conspiracy victim is not a good look Edited March 1, 2023 by redtail hawk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Callahan Posted March 1, 2023 Share Posted March 1, 2023 55 minutes ago, redtail hawk said: well maybe its because no one really knows, as I previously said. The RNA sequencing hasn't changed. but somehow, many on this board no much better than the intelligence agencies and scientists. weird... conspiracy victim is not a good look Blind loyalty to voices that have been wrong, is not a good look remember when they said the Hunter Laptop was russian disinfo? good times 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted March 1, 2023 Share Posted March 1, 2023 1 minute ago, Chris farley said: Blind loyalty to voices that have been wrong, is not a good look remember when they said the Hunter Laptop was russian disinfo? good times A simple google search reveals a virtually unlimited menu of government/IC failures and misdeeds, alleged or otherwise. Be that as it may, the entire post-Trump election dem narrative was based on conspiracy theories that victimized the liberal base when all that happened was that their candidate lost. There’s also the Chuck Schumer declaration that the IC has “six ways from Sunday” to get someone if they so desire. It’s a fascinating take by @redtail hawk, I’ll give him that. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All_Pro_Bills Posted March 1, 2023 Share Posted March 1, 2023 10 hours ago, redtail hawk said: perhaps we should wait and see what the other agencies say: Four other intelligence agencies that officials haven’t named and the National Intelligence Council, which conducts long-term strategic analysis, still favor the theory that the virus emerged when it leapt from an animal to a human, though with “low confidence.” (from the above article) 5-2, natural vs lab origin so not a done deal...I feel "more than 50/50 is supported that fact For me, none of these agency conclusions are very insightful absent details about what evidence, data, and information they gathered and assessed to arrive at a conclusion. Even with "confidence" level can we verify they all followed the same methodology or criteria in making that determination? Is it apples apples from one conclusion to another or apples to oranges? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted March 1, 2023 Share Posted March 1, 2023 2 hours ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: A simple google search reveals a virtually unlimited menu of government/IC failures and misdeeds, alleged or otherwise. Be that as it may, the entire post-Trump election dem narrative was based on conspiracy theories that victimized the liberal base when all that happened was that their candidate lost. There’s also the Chuck Schumer declaration that the IC has “six ways from Sunday” to get someone if they so desire. It’s a fascinating take by @redtail hawk, I’ll give him that. This is extremely well written, I'll give you that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted March 1, 2023 Share Posted March 1, 2023 . 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted March 1, 2023 Share Posted March 1, 2023 3 hours ago, redtail hawk said: This is extremely well written, I'll give you that. I didn’t capitalize Google. That will haunt me for all my remaining days on this earth. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Tim Posted March 1, 2023 Share Posted March 1, 2023 7 hours ago, redtail hawk said: well maybe its because no one really knows, as I previously said. The RNA sequencing hasn't changed. but somehow, many on this board no much better than the intelligence agencies and scientists. weird... conspiracy victim is not a good look I am logical and the chances that a new strain of virus would pop up in the same town as the lab that is working on it would lead a non political hack to state that the lab most likely was the cause. Obviously it could have gone through the market between the lab and spreading around the world but that does not make the lab less responsible. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted March 1, 2023 Share Posted March 1, 2023 2 hours ago, Orlando Tim said: I am logical and the chances that a new strain of virus would pop up in the same town as the lab that is working on it would lead a non political hack to state that the lab most likely was the cause. Obviously it could have gone through the market between the lab and spreading around the world but that does not make the lab less responsible. interesting, plugged this into CharGPT which I am just starting to use more extensively in my work life, and here is what i get Thank you for sharing your perspective on this issue. While it's true that the coincidence of a new virus strain emerging in close proximity to a lab that is working on similar viruses can be seen as suspicious, it is important to consider all possible explanations and avoid jumping to conclusions without sufficient evidence. It is possible that the virus was transmitted to humans from an animal source, such as through the wet market that was initially identified as a possible origin. However, it is also possible that the virus accidentally escaped from the lab due to inadequate safety protocols or other factors. Without a thorough investigation and conclusive evidence, it is difficult to say for certain what caused the emergence of the virus. Regardless of the source of the virus, it is important to focus on finding solutions to mitigate its impact and prevent future pandemics. This includes improving public health infrastructure, investing in research on emerging infectious diseases, and promoting global cooperation and collaboration in pandemic response efforts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nedboy7 Posted March 1, 2023 Share Posted March 1, 2023 I have read endlessly about Covid for 3 years due to my job and I am convinced it was lab altered. The genetic sequencing has certain aspects that aren’t in other corona viruses. I have talked w actual virologists from MIT who felt it was altered in summer on 2020. So this is old news. I also am not amused by the fact they tried to blame a market 2 miles away from where they have admitted to using gain of function testing on this exact virus. Does that mean the gop was right to call it a democratic hoax? No both sides are ***** morons. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted March 1, 2023 Share Posted March 1, 2023 21 hours ago, JDHillFan said: You should touch base with the FBI and let them know they are going down the wrong path. #pangolins Another reason to support democracy. These authoritarian governments run by sh it heads like Putin and Xi do really screwed up things Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Tim Posted March 1, 2023 Share Posted March 1, 2023 1 hour ago, plenzmd1 said: interesting, plugged this into CharGPT which I am just starting to use more extensively in my work life, and here is what i get Thank you for sharing your perspective on this issue. While it's true that the coincidence of a new virus strain emerging in close proximity to a lab that is working on similar viruses can be seen as suspicious, it is important to consider all possible explanations and avoid jumping to conclusions without sufficient evidence. It is possible that the virus was transmitted to humans from an animal source, such as through the wet market that was initially identified as a possible origin. However, it is also possible that the virus accidentally escaped from the lab due to inadequate safety protocols or other factors. Without a thorough investigation and conclusive evidence, it is difficult to say for certain what caused the emergence of the virus. Regardless of the source of the virus, it is important to focus on finding solutions to mitigate its impact and prevent future pandemics. This includes improving public health infrastructure, investing in research on emerging infectious diseases, and promoting global cooperation and collaboration in pandemic response efforts. Is chatGPT one large database or do you download your own version? I have not used it yet and I am curious. The response from the computer is basically like arguing with Billsy, why focus on the previous lie when you can look at something else that is not a provable lie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeviF Posted March 1, 2023 Share Posted March 1, 2023 18 minutes ago, Orlando Tim said: Is chatGPT one large database or do you download your own version? I have not used it yet and I am curious. The response from the computer is basically like arguing with Billsy, why focus on the previous lie when you can look at something else that is not a provable lie. You can break its guardrails for “offensive” answers and get truthful ones Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 Did You Ever Wonder How and Why the Left Is Able to Push Their Narratives Almost Unhindered? BY STEPHEN GREEN https://pjmedia.com/vodkapundit/2023/03/01/heres-what-you-need-to-know-about-the-cabal-and-the-current-message-n1674772 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 Tucker Carlson gets the real reporters fired at Fox and then rages at the other media places that have legit journalist, lol MAGA is special 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanNC Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 But but but Tucker Carlson!!! Meanwhile every major corporate media news outlet, not just opinion show hosts, have been demonstrably lying for years...and leftists just dutifully keep right on parroting these proven liars. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 16 hours ago, Orlando Tim said: Is chatGPT one large database or do you download your own version? I have not used it yet and I am curious. The response from the computer is basically like arguing with Billsy, why focus on the previous lie when you can look at something else that is not a provable lie. Do not download, just a site. I was not advocating any position with that post. Just amazing how well it works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDHillFan Posted March 3, 2023 Share Posted March 3, 2023 🚨Shocking development 🚨- CNN actually reports on AOC Met Gala ethics concerns…after 17 paragraphs of a story headlined “House Ethics Committee announces investigation into embattled Rep. George Santos”. https://www.cnn.com/2023/03/02/politics/george-santos-house-ethics-committee/index.html 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanNC Posted March 3, 2023 Share Posted March 3, 2023 US journalists demanding less or restricted access to information. Nah they aren't commie activists at all! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted March 3, 2023 Share Posted March 3, 2023 (edited) 👆🤡 Notice these pawns wouldn’t dare comment on an actual communists? Fn idiots And the outright HYPOCRISY of this freak crying about the “infamous” Twitter files… You can’t make this up. Edited March 3, 2023 by BillStime Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Callahan Posted March 3, 2023 Share Posted March 3, 2023 (edited) loved the part where Old Racist Joy said "they want to cherry pick what videos people see so they can paint a false narrative." Effing epic projection on her part. as thats exactly what the entire J6 hearing did. And its on point that the one that calls everyone else idiots, is again referencing the never endling liar that is Ajax as some source. Edited March 3, 2023 by Chris farley 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted March 3, 2023 Share Posted March 3, 2023 30 minutes ago, Chris farley said: Effing epic projection on her part. Who is in court fighting defamation... besides Trump? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All_Pro_Bills Posted March 3, 2023 Share Posted March 3, 2023 26 minutes ago, BillStime said: Who is in court fighting defamation... besides Trump? So you're saying unless you're brought up on official charges accusing you of lying you shouldn't be considered to be a liar? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeviF Posted March 3, 2023 Share Posted March 3, 2023 I'll take fascism over communism every day of the week and twice on Sunday. Bolsheviks have already captured just about every federal institution, including the intelligence community. That's why, even if one day what DeSantis does actually resembles fascism, I won't care. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted March 3, 2023 Share Posted March 3, 2023 7 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said: So you're saying unless you're brought up on official charges accusing you of lying you shouldn't be considered to be a liar? Of course not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 3, 2023 Share Posted March 3, 2023 5 hours ago, BillsFanNC said: US journalists demanding less or restricted access to information. Nah they aren't commie activists at all! Clearly upset that they were going to lose the grip on the narrative. Meanwhile, didn’t we spend $2.1B to improve security around the Capitol? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted March 3, 2023 Share Posted March 3, 2023 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted March 3, 2023 Share Posted March 3, 2023 9 minutes ago, B-Man said: But Trump could, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Callahan Posted March 3, 2023 Share Posted March 3, 2023 I still remember when AP was the standard. not the joke it is now. creating a narrative like that, that just lines right up with partisan politics. SMH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDHillFan Posted March 3, 2023 Share Posted March 3, 2023 2 minutes ago, Chris farley said: I still remember when AP was the standard. not the joke it is now. creating a narrative like that, that just lines right up with partisan politics. SMH https://www.ocregister.com/2008/07/14/ap-goes-for-advocacy-journalism/ Goes back 15 years now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Callahan Posted March 3, 2023 Share Posted March 3, 2023 in the 90's I remember taking and paying for a class called "AP standards in journalism". they should have to disclose themselves as a political PAC. for the record, feel the same with most partisan media anymore. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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