Critical Race Theory

[Orlando Tim]

59 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

No it is not the practice of medicine.  If anyone actually denied care to a patient based on race in our network they’d get bounced so quickly their head would spin.

 

Where DEI benefits our organization is helping all employees understand you can sometimes exert unconscious behaviors or biases that can negatively impact the workplace and thus impact our care of patients.  You kind of give away your own bias about lumping DEI together with CRT by focusing your question on race.  DEI does not do so; DEI helps understand that we need to recognize potential biases against anyone: women, men, LGTBQ community, immigrant populations, difference in employment status, differences in socioeconomic status.  And yes race.  
 

I’ll give you an example of where DEI has helped our organization: relationship of doctors and nurses.  We had an issue with some docs just ripping nurses to shreds (male or female) because they viewed them as underlings, as uneducated.  When DEI education was introduced as mandatory every year, docs realized their implicit bias. Relationships between nursing staff and physicians improved.  Our patient care improved, patient’s evaluation of their care improved, and that improved our Medicare receivables.

 

My point is that DEI and SEL (socioeconomic learning) is much more that race.  Much more.  You ask how it can affect schooling.  Because kids should understand that they all get a shot at a good education, that biases against their fellow students are not healthy, and because when their education is completed and they enter the work force understanding that will be essential.  I can give you a couple practical examples.  The city where I live is middle to upper middle class, and about 80% of students are white, 5% Asian, 10% black, and the remaining other minorities primarily Hispanic.  Many kids are well off economically, but about 10% of the total student body is on assisted lunch and other programs because they are too poor to afford things like lunch or backpacks or other learning essentials.  DEI teaching in our schools has helped the more affluent kids understand the difficulties of those classmates, and in return we see the more affluent kids on their own start programs to raise money at football games, choir concerts, and such to help out their fellow students.  Those students benefit from that, they have a better attitude towards learning and thrive.  It’s a great thing to see.

 

The schools aren’t perfect yet.  There is still bullying based on race, kids are still called the N word.  My daughter before she graduated was teased because she’s Asian, and people would assume she was smart and that her parents made her study 8 hours a night, not knowing she’s adopted.  But overall by inclusion of DEI and SEL principals in the schools we see a more inclusive learning environment where the contributions and talents of each kid are celebrated and rewarded.

 

So that is why I keep talking about the DEI and SEL concepts.  Because I see value in them, and because I am tired of seeing people who are not proponents of CRT lump everything together.  I have read some on CRT and it has nothing to do with the other concepts.  CRT is a theory and theories are just that.  My impression of CRT is that it reminds me of scientific papers that I review and reject; that the authors have a theory and then seek to bend data to fit their theory, rather than let data drive the formulation of a theory.  I suspect the original proponents of CRT did just that, and as such I’m skeptical.

 

Sorry for the lengthy reply, but I hope it clarifies my position.  Go Bills!

That is well said and not what I thought you meant by Diversity training. That kind of training is good and helpful. We do it at my school every year but it is not wrapped in that name. I will agree that CRT is very different than what you have described. CRT is a Theory similar to phrenology, it was presented by finding only evidence that supports your beliefs and ignoring the majority of evidence that shows it is incorrect. 

[oldmanfan]

27 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

What the?

Stop it now! I didn’t bring up DEI … you did!!!!

This has all become total horse crap! 
 

Enjoy your little politically correct bubble.

I was replying to the guy you replied to who asked how diversity training has helped health care.  You said to him you hoped it wasn’t health care but hiring practices.  Thus my comment.  
 

So stick it.  

[SoCal Deek]

2 hours ago, oldmanfan said:

I was replying to the guy you replied to who asked how diversity training has helped health care.  You said to him you hoped it wasn’t health care but hiring practices.  Thus my comment.  
 

So stick it.  

Nice try Old Man

You were replying to me. Go back and look.

[oldmanfan]

57 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

Nice try Old Man

You were replying to me. Go back and look.

God you are ignorant.  You replied to the guy asking about how DEI applies to a health care organization and that you hoped it didn’t mean it applied to the treatment of patients but to hiring.  So in reply under your response I wrote it does not apply to patients and then went on to explain how it does.  I then expanded my answer to address it in schools because that’s where all this crap started.

 

How the hell can you run a company if your reading and comprehension skills are this lousy?

[SoCal Deek]

18 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

God you are ignorant.  You replied to the guy asking about how DEI applies to a health care organization and that you hoped it didn’t mean it applied to the treatment of patients but to hiring.  So in reply under your response I wrote it does not apply to patients and then went on to explain how it does.  I then expanded my answer to address it in schools because that’s where all this crap started.

 

How the hell can you run a company if your reading and comprehension skills are this lousy?

Something has happened to you. You’ve become an insufferable know it all. YOU have been going on and on about DEI. I have no idea why. NOBODY confuses it with CRT. And if you want to see how I run a successful company feel free to interview. I guarantee we will not be considering your skin color. So pleas just bring a solid work ethic and a skill set. 

[Beach]

31 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

Something has happened to you. You’ve become an insufferable know it all. YOU have been going on and on about DEI. I have no idea why. NOBODY confuses it with CRT. And if you want to see how I run a successful company feel free to interview. I guarantee we will not be considering your skin color. So pleas just bring a solid work ethic and a skill set. 

i received a resume with pronouns at the bottom.  instant trash.

[SoCal Deek]

1 minute ago, Beach said:

i received a resume with pronouns at the bottom.  instant trash.

Now THAT made me laugh. 👍

[reddogblitz]

On 8/27/2021 at 11:22 AM, oldmanfan said:

We do DEI training every year and it has

 

How has teaching DEI benefitted your health care network?

 

What metrics were used to make that determination?  Shorter hospital stays?  Less return patients for the same issue?

[oldmanfan]

34 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

Something has happened to you. You’ve become an insufferable know it all. YOU have been going on and on about DEI. I have no idea why. NOBODY confuses it with CRT. And if you want to see how I run a successful company feel free to interview. I guarantee we will not be considering your skin color. So pleas just bring a solid work ethic and a skill set. 

I can send you a link from a group where I live protesting against CRT/DEI.  It is going on all over.  Open your eyes and ears.

 

I apologize for apparently seeming insufferable but I am tired of the lies and the BS.

2 minutes ago, reddogblitz said:

 

How has teaching DEI benefitted your health care network?

 

What metrics were used to make that determination?  Shorter hospital stays?  Less return patients for the same issue?

Better employee retention rates for one.

[SoCal Deek]

12 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

I can send you a link from a group where I live protesting against CRT/DEI.  It is going on all over.  Open your eyes and ears.

 

I apologize for apparently seeming insufferable but I am tired of the lies and the BS.

Better employee retention rates for one.

Thanks for the apology but I’m tough skinned.  You seem really tired of something that’s for sure. Don’t let it get to you. When it stops being good natured ribbing to you on here, it’s time to back away from the keyboard. 😉

Edited August 28, 2021 by SoCal Deek

[oldmanfan]

11 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

Thanks for the apology but I’m tough skinned.  You seem really tired of something that’s for sure. Don’t let it get to you. When it stops being good natured ribbing to you on here, it’s time to back away from the keyboard. 😉

The Afghan thing hit me hard.  We have a group of Neanderthals in my city trying to burn books and take us back to the 1930’s. And my lab associate has been on maternity leave all summer leaving me to do all the cases for 3 months with no time off.  So I’m tired and cranky.  Thanks for the message.

[SoCal Deek]

Just now, oldmanfan said:

The Afghan thing hit me hard.  We have a group of Neanderthals in my city trying to burn books and take us back to the 1930’s. And my lab associate has been on maternity leave all summer leaving me to do all the cases for 3 months with no time off.  So I’m tired and cranky.  Thanks for the message.

Keep smiling…it all works out in the end. I’ve read The Book! 

[B-Man]

 

A Deserved 'Moment of Truth' for Public Schools as a Record Number of Parents Opt Out

by Rick Moran

 

The public school system in America is in crisis — the worst crisis since the forced bussing and integration issues of the 1970s. Simply put, parents and students have lost faith in the school system to educate. They doubt whether the schools have the best interests of their students at heart. This poisonous doubt is having a tangible effect on enrollment. Despite the fact that public education is free, parents are sending their children to private schools with more reliable, more predictable policies. Enrollment in public schools nationwide declined by 3 percent last year. But it was the numbers for kindergarten enrollment

 

https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/rick-moran/2021/08/28/a-deserved-moment-of-truth-for-public-schools-as-a-record-number-of-parents-opting-out-n1473676

 

 

 

[B-Man]

 

 

Shame on you, parents with children in school. 

 

Shame on you for speaking out against smug school boards that treat you as if work them.

 

Shame on you for your anger over condescending school boards ignoring your concerns while they attempt to indoctrinate your children with the insanity of Marxist-derived critical race theory.

 

Shame on you for trying to stop school boards from programming young white kids with the divisive notion that they were born inherently racist and must therefore spend the rest of their lives atoning for their whiteness to people of color.

 

And while we’re at it, shame on you for your vitriolic outbursts against school board members over mask mandates for young children, COVID vaccines, and draconian testing requirements.

 

Yeah, shame on you, parents. For all of it. What the hell is wrong with you people?

 

 

 

 

https://redstate.com/mike_miller/2021/08/30/ap-throws-pity-party-for-toxic-and-impossible-job-of-school-boards-n435073

 

 

[Orlando Tim]

I had my Culturally Based Teaching training, which had an absolutely hilarious moment. As our very liberal black presenter told us how we should not Americanize African and Latino names she Americanized one of our coworkers Polish names. She also made a statement that Africans and Latino culture are not  a single culture like white culture. 

[SoCal Deek]

20 minutes ago, Buffalo Timmy said:

I had my Culturally Based Teaching training, which had an absolutely hilarious moment. As our very liberal black presenter told us how we should not Americanize African and Latino names she Americanized one of our coworkers Polish names. She also made a statement that Africans and Latino culture are not  a single culture like white culture. 

Classic!

She probably also believes that Mexicans have always spoken Spanish. 

[BillStime]

 

[B-Man]

44 minutes ago, BillStime said:

 

 

 

Ahh the old "they don't want to teach about slavery and racism" dodge.......................1st time this week.

 

As I have stated numerous times, the poor U.S, record on race is not only taught, it is emphasized.  Slavery, the Civil War, The Civil Rights movement are all given much more class time than other subjects.  And that is fine.

 

What you refuse to acknowledge is that CRT is a race based approach to teaching in ALL subjects. Dividing students and not uniting them.

 

 

 

 

 

[B-Man]

 

 

More (non) proof ?

 

Colorado teachers sign pledge to teach Critical Race Theory even if banned in classroom.

 

https://pagetwo.completecolorado.com/2021/09/01/colorado-teachers-sign-pledge-to-teach-critical-race-theory-even-if-banned-in-classroom/

 

 

 

 

[SoCal Deek]

41 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

 

More (non) proof ?

 

Colorado teachers sign pledge to teach Critical Race Theory even if banned in classroom.

 

https://pagetwo.completecolorado.com/2021/09/01/colorado-teachers-sign-pledge-to-teach-critical-race-theory-even-if-banned-in-classroom/

 

 

 

 

No CRT....No Peace!

[B-Man]

 

 

As Barack always said.........."strike back twice as hard"

 

 

[Orlando Tim]

I was given training this week that stated I am not to teach "culture" in my room. I watched Wisconsin game today and they discussed Barry Alvarez and the way he turned A team that had 9 wins combined in the 5 years before he showed into 10 wins his 3rd year alone was "Culture". Culture is not related to race but who are winners and losers 

[B-Man]

 

Why Parental Pushback Against Critical Race Theory Scares Democrats

 

FTA:

 

 

Right, there’s been pushback [by parents], which is legitimate, to what the stories parents have been hearing and witnessing, the curriculum that they’ve been witnessing. The more they find out, the more upset they become. So there’s a real problem there. And the pushback has taken a few different forms. The pushback to the pushback, the defense what’s going on, it’s taken a few forms.

 

The first is, “Let’s argue over what the meaning of critical race theory is.” You get into these extended, particularly in the national liberal media, you get into these extended discussions, “Oh, well, maybe they’re doing this and maybe they’re doing that, but that’s not actually critical race theory.” And of course, who cares how you define it.

 

It’s the practices that parents are witnessing, the shaming of children by race, and focus of everything on race. They’re teaching children that their skin color is the single most important thing in determining their future. It’s these practices that are outgrowths of critical race theory.

 

So, the first thing they do is they want to get you in this extended argument, kind of like Bill Clinton, on “what is the meaning of ‘is’.” That’s one thing that people have to avoid.

 

But then the other pushback is something that has been the pushback that we’ve known for a long time. They call you names, and they call you some of the worst names you can be called, like being called a racist and things like that. Simply because you actually stand up for the principles of the American civil rights movement, which was that you treat people based on who they are as an individual and their individual merits. And we all have pluses, and we all have minuses. But what you don’t do is you don’t judge people based on the color of their skin. And that’s been our highest guiding principle, really since the mid-1960s. And that’s out the window in a lot of these school districts.

That’s the other way that they pushed back, that you’re racist, basically. “If you don’t let us indoctrinate your children, you are racist.”

 

And the third thing they do is they say, “Oh, you’re just against teaching history. You don’t want to teach history.” And of course, that’s also not true because what people object to is not the teaching of history. I haven’t seen a single person who says you shouldn’t teach about slavery, or you shouldn’t teach about Jim Crow, or anything like that. But you can’t distort history. And that’s what they’re trying to do. They’re trying to make that the single defining issue in the entire history of the nation and the future of the nation, to the exclusion of anything good that might’ve happened in this country. That’s really what you see.

 

https://legalinsurrection.com/2021/09/why-parental-pushback-against-critical-race-theory-scares-democrats/

 

 

[B-Man]

 

 

How Quickly Teacher Unions Went From Critical Race Theory Is “Not Being Taught” To “Yes, It Is. We Support It.”

 

 

So how is it that you have to hire lawyers to defend the teachers who were doing [CRT teaching], but at the same time you say it’s not happening?”

 

 

https://legalinsurrection.com/2021/09/how-quickly-teacher-unions-went-from-critical-race-theory-is-not-being-taught-to-yes-it-is-we-support-it/

 

 

[B-Man]

 

 

Debunking The 1619 Project: Real History as Antidote to Critical Race Theory

By Mary Grabar

 

 

 

 

FTA:

 

In The 1619 Project, there are no Africans who raid villages and sell the captives to African or Muslim middlemen, who then sell them to Europeans, as actually happened.

 

Nor are there black slave owners in America, who, for example, in the four states of Louisiana, Maryland, South Carolina, and Virginia in 1830 owned 10,000 slaves.

Nor are there white abolitionists or civil rights advocates. 

 

This history promotes the CRT formula: white=oppressor, black=oppressed. 

 

To fight CRT, the chimerical history upon which it is based must be debunked and fuller stories, such as the one about Coles and Jefferson, need to be told.

 

https://townhall.com/columnists/marygrabar/2021/09/07/debunking-the-1619-project-real-history-as-antidote-to-critical-race-theory-n2595392

[SoCal Deek]

1 hour ago, B-Man said:

 

 

Debunking The 1619 Project: Real History as Antidote to Critical Race Theory

By Mary Grabar

 

 

 

 

FTA:

 

In The 1619 Project, there are no Africans who raid villages and sell the captives to African or Muslim middlemen, who then sell them to Europeans, as actually happened.

 

Nor are there black slave owners in America, who, for example, in the four states of Louisiana, Maryland, South Carolina, and Virginia in 1830 owned 10,000 slaves.

Nor are there white abolitionists or civil rights advocates. 

 

This history promotes the CRT formula: white=oppressor, black=oppressed. 

 

To fight CRT, the chimerical history upon which it is based must be debunked and fuller stories, such as the one about Coles and Jefferson, need to be told.

 

https://townhall.com/columnists/marygrabar/2021/09/07/debunking-the-1619-project-real-history-as-antidote-to-critical-race-theory-n2595392

Don't ask questions!  Just accept that Africans magically ended up on ships that landed in America.  All of history starts when those ships hit the east coast. 😂

[BillStime]

Great job - Bonnie!!!

 

 

[716er]

This boogeyman seems to have flown the coop.

[B-Man]

 

 

Majority of black parents oppose critical race theory curriculum.

 

https://thepostmillennial.com/majority-black-parents-oppose-critical-race-theory

[Jauronimo]

[SoCal Deek]

17 hours ago, BillStime said:

Great job - Bonnie!!!

 

 

Her snowflake students are also dying to learn about pornography.....does she feel compelled to teach that?  This lady should be nowhere near the impressionable minds of children.

[BillStime]

6 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

Her snowflake students are also dying to learn about pornography.....does she feel compelled to teach that?  This lady should be nowhere near the impressionable minds of children.

And neither should you 

[SoCal Deek]

1 minute ago, BillStime said:

And neither should you 

But here's the difference....I AM NOT! 

[All_Pro_Bills]

On 9/5/2021 at 10:57 AM, B-Man said:

 

Why Parental Pushback Against Critical Race Theory Scares Democrats

 

FTA:

 

 

And the third thing they do is they say, “Oh, you’re just against teaching history. You don’t want to teach history.” And of course, that’s also not true because what people object to is not the teaching of history. I haven’t seen a single person who says you shouldn’t teach about slavery, or you shouldn’t teach about Jim Crow, or anything like that. But you can’t distort history. And that’s what they’re trying to do. They’re trying to make that the single defining issue in the entire history of the nation and the future of the nation, to the exclusion of anything good that might’ve happened in this country. That’s really what you see.

 

https://legalinsurrection.com/2021/09/why-parental-pushback-against-critical-race-theory-scares-democrats/

 

 

 

18 hours ago, BillStime said:

Great job - Bonnie!!!

 

 

Let me guess

 

An upper middle class white college educated woman of privilege preaching about the plight of poor and oppressed blacks.  None of which she's every personally met.  Like all virtue signaler that believe admitting their sins entitles them to maintain there privilege and possessions.       

[Tiberius]

24 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

 

Let me guess

 

An upper middle class white college educated woman of privilege preaching about the plight of poor and oppressed blacks.  None of which she's every personally met.  Like all virtue signaler that believe admitting their sins entitles them to maintain there privilege and possessions.       

You have a problem with people teaching about poverty and racism? Gee, imagine that 

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

Eventually this neo Marxist  movement may Peter out. But it’s going to take a cultural shift. 
 

or maybe it won’t and your best bet is to just try to climb up as close the the elites as you can and just nod when they white bad… that’s what most libs I know are doing… it’s just easier and an empty gesture. 

 

Meanwhile Consultants in the education arena are jumping into this because it’s an extremely profitable area…  anybody can point at a flower pot and explain why it’s a racist flower pot.  They are making money hand over fist in corporations and up and down the education hierarchy. It’s the hot new area And business is booming.  
 

I mean Ibram X. Kendi who’s a millionaire from this stuff, grew up on Long Island in an intact family, to a business analyst mother and accountant father and went to private grammar school.  Dude was as privileged as it gets and he’s making a helluva lotta money and recognition talking about how oppressed he is. 

All you can do for your kids is teach them to  ignore anyone telling them striving to succeed is unfair to anyone else, even if it means failing math because they showed their work or got the right answer. Round their social group with ethnically diverse people so they can see first hand it’s all bs and that all these different kids can be good at school, sports, life  or whatever. 

 

 

Edited September 16, 2021 by Over 29 years of fanhood

[SoCal Deek]

1 hour ago, Tiberius said:

You have a problem with people teaching about poverty and racism? Gee, imagine that 

And it's your position that American kids don't know what poverty is, and apparently you believe that only black people are poor?  Really?

[Jauronimo]

[B-Man]

 

[B-Man]

 

IF YOU DON’T BELIEVE IN CRITICAL RACE THEORY, YOU CAN’T WORK

 

A lot has been said about the fact that the Biden administration is trying to bar people who don’t want to be vaccinated against covid, for whatever reason, from gainful employment. To say that this is a novel incursion on our civil rights is an understatement.

 

But here is a worse one: how about firing anyone who won’t sign on to the racist, anti-American ideology of Critical Race Theory? Shockingly, that is now happening, all across corporate America. The current message is: believe in CRT, or more likely pretend to believe, or you are fired.

 

The Upper Midwest Law Center, on whose board I serve, is representing several individuals who have been fired or demoted because they disagreed with Critical Race Theory. One of those plaintiffs is Chuck Vavra. Vavra was an engineer at Honeywell, which imposed mandatory Critical Race Theory-based training on its employees. The “curriculum” called America irredeemably racist and asserted that all whites are the same, and insisted that whites admit their inherent racism and status as evil oppressors, while blacks were characterized as victims, good people but intrinsically unable to lead successful lives due to white racism.

 

Vavra objected to this bizarre Marxist world-view. The result? Honeywell fired him.

 

It is notable that the “training” insisted upon by Honeywell was not a matter of compliance with federal civil rights statutes or other laws, nor did it have anything to do with Vavra’s job duties as an engineer. It was simply an effort to impose fealty to an extreme left-wing, anti-American agenda as a condition of employment at the company.

 

More at the link: https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2021/09/if-you-dont-believe-in-critical-race-theory-you-cant-work.php