RUMOR: Patriots working on a contract for Jimmy G. for a deal with 49ers

[Doc]

3 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

Just my opinion, but I think Fields would probably bomb in SF. For an immediate winner, I'd take Mac Jones any day of the week, at least in the context of the SF scheme. That's not to say he'll be better five years down the road, but as you say Shanahan needs to have a winning season. 

 

I don't disagree that Fields may bomb there, but I feel the same way about Jones.  I see him like every other Alabama QB that's come out in the past 3 decades while I feel the same way about Field and OSU QBs.  At least with Fields you have a guy who adds another dimension with his legs.

[dave mcbride]

4 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

I don't disagree that Fields may bomb there, but I feel the same way about Jones.  I see him like every other Alabama QB that's come out in the past 3 decades while I feel the same way about Field and OSU QBs.  At least with Fields you have a guy who adds another dimension with his legs.

I don't believe in schools being indicative of QBs. When I was growing up, it was a truism that all Michigan QBs sucked in the pros -- until it wasn't true. A number of years ago, I went through every big time program on this board for the past 40 or so years, and Cal and Stanford were the top producers of big time qbs -- and they only issued 2-3. Alabama, of course, produced Stabler and Namath, and who's to say they won't do it again? Who was the last Wyoming QB who was any good? TCU? Ole Miss? Arizona? Wisconsin? Clemson? Texas A & M? NC State? The list goes on and on. Point is, don't get fooled into reading anything into where the player went. Judge the player. 

Edited April 29, 2021 by dave mcbride

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

All I know is....for the rest of our lives. The Patriots QB won’t be Ton Brady 🤷‍♂️They won’t have the best qb of all time on the team again. Like they did for 20 years....I’m good with that. Whoever it is. Won’t be worse then what we just had to deal with. Bring it 

[Doc]

2 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

I don't believe in schools being indicative of QBs. When I was growing up, it was a truism that all Michigan QBs sucked in the pros -- until it wasn't true. A number of years ago, I went through every big time program on this board for the past 40 or so years, and Cal and Stanford were the top producers of big time qbs -- and they only issued 2-3. Alabama, of course, produced Stabler and Namath, and who's to say they won't do it again? Who was the last Wyoming QB who was any good? TCU? Ole Miss? Arizona? Wisconsin? Clemson? Texas A & M? NC State? The list goes on and on. Point is, don't get fooled into reading anything into where the player went. Judge the player. 

 

Sure, maybe one year the 43+ (Namath's last year in the NFL was 1977, so I'm being generous) year dearth of good Alabama and OSU (has there ever been a good one?) QBs will end.  I wouldn't want to spend the 3rd overall pick on one though, especially one I've mortgaged my future on.  It's all well and good when you can have dumb luck stumbling on one in the 6th round...

[dave mcbride]

1 minute ago, Doc said:

 

Sure, maybe one year the 43+ (Namath's last year in the NFL was 1977, so I'm being generous) year dearth of good Alabama and OSU (has there ever been a good one?) QBs will end.  I wouldn't want to spend the 3rd overall pick on one though, especially one I've mortgaged my future on.  It's all well and good when you can have dumb luck stumbling on one in the 6th round...

Again, disregard the school. Look at the player. Which UCLA QB was good before Aikman? Which Michigan QB before Brady? And which ND QB has been any good since Theismann/Montana? Which BYU qb since Steve Young? The school is basically meaningless. I mean, LSU went nearly 50 years before producing a good NFL QB again (the last one being Bert Jones).

[Doc]

3 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

Again, disregard the school. Look at the player. Which UCLA QB was good before Aikman? Which Michigan QB before Brady? And which ND QB has been any good since Theismann/Montana? Which BYU qb since Steve Young? The school is basically meaningless. I mean, LSU went nearly 50 years before producing a good NFL QB again (the last one being Bert Jones).

 

 I think the school makes a huge difference.  If you're surrounded by talent, it's easier to look good. 

 

Shanahan took a huge risk giving up 1st rounders in the next 2 drafts to take the 3rd best prospect.  And as a result, whoever he takes will have to get the team to the playoffs at least by 2022.  Is Jones that guy?

[YoloinOhio]

1 hour ago, Doc said:

 

I don't disagree that Fields may bomb there, but I feel the same way about Jones.  I see him like every other Alabama QB that's come out in the past 3 decades while I feel the same way about Field and OSU QBs.  At least with Fields you have a guy who adds another dimension with his legs.

Fields is the most talented QB to ever play at Ohio state and the only one to ever play in the current offensive system (for a HC who was a former NFL QB coach). What does he have in common with the rest? Helmet scouting is fruitless.

[ExWNYer]

2 hours ago, LEBills said:

I’m fine with the Pats playing Jimmy G until something hurts him in like week 5 and then watching Billyboy try to win with Jared Stidham. Recipe for another 7-9 season. 

 

There is absolutely no way they go 7-9. 😇

[Locomark]

I still thinks the Pats are moving up to draft someone and they will be players for the Top ten picks.. they signed security blanket TEs because they want a rookie IMO... I think Jimmy G is too high a cost for his production and they know it. He is their plan B and then are just smoke screening the Niners into thinking they need him. I project Jimmy G ends up a Bear this year or next year. 

[Doc]

21 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

Fields is the most talented QB to ever play at Ohio state and the only one to ever play in the current offensive system (for a HC who was a former NFL QB coach). What does he have in common with the rest? Helmet scouting is fruitless.

 

That's well and good for Fields, but if he busts in the NFL, it will mean a) he'll have that in common with the rest and B) the actual scouting was more fruitless than the helmet scouting.  But it's more than just "helmet" scouting.  Helmet scouting would be taking any program without a successful NFL QB and making that statement.  But the reason I chose OSU and Alabama is because of the talent annually surrounding these guys. 

 

As it stands, he's looking at being the 4th, maybe 5th, QB taken in the draft, behind guys like Mac Jones who no one would say is anywhere close to the most talented QB to ever play at Alabama, and Trey Lance who is considered a raw project.  But I did say that if I were Shanahan, I'd take Fields at 3rd overall because that pick would be easiest to defend and he offers a threat as a runner.

 

[SCBills]

39 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

Fields is the most talented QB to ever play at Ohio state and the only one to ever play in the current offensive system (for a HC who was a former NFL QB coach). What does he have in common with the rest? Helmet scouting is fruitless.

Im not sold on him, but if Fields had his same exact career at UGA, I think the view of him would be much different.  

[4merper4mer]

47 minutes ago, Locomark said:

I still thinks the Pats are moving up to draft someone and they will be players for the Top ten picks.. they signed security blanket TEs because they want a rookie IMO... I think Jimmy G is too high a cost for his production and they know it. He is their plan B and then are just smoke screening the Niners into thinking they need him. I project Jimmy G ends up a Bear this year or next year. 

What point is there for the Pats to smokescreen the 9ers?  Using this rumor as a smokescrren for other teams?  Maybe.  But the 9ers pick third.  Why do the Pats need to deceive them?

[BuffaloBillsGospel]

If true that is some real Patriots desperation as Jimmy G has shown he's only a game manager at best.

[Locomark]

24 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said:

What point is there for the Pats to smokescreen the 9ers?  Using this rumor as a smokescrren for other teams?  Maybe.  But the 9ers pick third.  Why do the Pats need to deceive them?

The Pats are using Jimmy G as a backup plan. They want the Niners NOT to deal Jimmy G just in case the Pats don’t get the draftee they want, that’s why. If the Niners think the Pats must have him they are less likely to deal him tomorrow to someone else. If Pats don’t move up and get the guy they want AND Jimmy G gets dealt to a team like the Bears, the Pats are screwe with Cam and likely another 8-8 or 9-7 record this year which won’t get them a premium pick next year which won’t get them a good draft slot again. They have to find their QB this year. They must make the Niners think they are all in on Jimmy G until they can snag their rookie just in case. 

Edited April 29, 2021 by Locomark

[K-9]

4 hours ago, Rocket94 said:

Jimmy does not worry me!

[Success]

The Patriots?

 

Isn't that the team that used to win the division?

 

[ganesh]

5 hours ago, JohnBonhamRocks said:

Nah Pats* want Pitts.
 

3TE sets 80% of the time. 

and then have Cam runniing between the tackles.

[YoloinOhio]

6 hours ago, SCBills said:

Im not sold on him, but if Fields had his same exact career at UGA, I think the view of him would be much different.  

Why is that? Matt stafford? The coaches and system aren’t even the same from that long ago. 

6 hours ago, Doc said:

 

That's well and good for Fields, but if he busts in the NFL, it will mean a) he'll have that in common with the rest and B) the actual scouting was more fruitless than the helmet scouting.  But it's more than just "helmet" scouting.  Helmet scouting would be taking any program without a successful NFL QB and making that statement.  But the reason I chose OSU and Alabama is because of the talent annually surrounding these guys. 

 

As it stands, he's looking at being the 4th, maybe 5th, QB taken in the draft, behind guys like Mac Jones who no one would say is anywhere close to the most talented QB to ever play at Alabama, and Trey Lance who is considered a raw project.  But I did say that if I were Shanahan, I'd take Fields at 3rd overall because that pick would be easiest to defend and he offers a threat as a runner.

 

So we’ve established that he doesn’t have anything in common with them as of now . What elite nfl talent was surrounding fields? They might have a couple interior OL and a RB drafted day 2... last year they had one RB drafted day 2..  I don’t discount any QB including Mac Jones for playing with talent, regardless, and neither does the NFL. They scout them for traits. That’s why burrow went #1 without hesitation. I don’t know which QBs will be successful in the NFL from his draft and I’m not projecting that I do, but these reasons don’t make sense to me at all as to your projections. 

Edited April 29, 2021 by YoloinOhio

[4merper4mer]

5 hours ago, Locomark said:

The Pats are using Jimmy G as a backup plan. They want the Niners NOT to deal Jimmy G just in case the Pats don’t get the draftee they want, that’s why. If the Niners think the Pats must have him they are less likely to deal him tomorrow to someone else. If Pats don’t move up and get the guy they want AND Jimmy G gets dealt to a team like the Bears, the Pats are screwe with Cam and likely another 8-8 or 9-7 record this year which won’t get them a premium pick next year which won’t get them a good draft slot again. They have to find their QB this year. They must make the Niners think they are all in on Jimmy G until they can snag their rookie just in case. 

Because all other teams phones are broken or because the 9ers won’t listen to other offers due to the Pats being such nice guys?  The law of supply and demand says plan B’s price goes up once plan A falls apart.

[Reed83HOF]

11 hours ago, dave mcbride said:

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/04/28/report-patriots-talked-to-falcons-about-trading-up-to-no-4-likely-to-draft-justin-fields/

I saw that too and I hope it is a disgusting value for them if true