Georgia election laws and MLB

[Doc]

3 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

Bull crap yet again.  The election results were audited by the states, the DOJ indicated there was no fraud, the courts ruled in dozens of cases that there was no fraud.  Trump’s own trumped up committee to investigate supposed fraud in the 2016 election was quietly disbanded when they found nothing.  But because one man has such apparent power over you and others you continue to puns thus illegal voting nonsense.

 

Why is it so many cannot apparently think for themselves?  Why is it so many are held in the thrall of a con man who lost the Republican Party the presidency and both houses of Congress?  Why?

 

 

I've been a proponent of voter ID for decades.  That means well-preceding Trump FYI.  And I don't care who investigated or certified what.  My own thinking tells me there is no way for people to know if people are voting illegally if you're not checking ID.  Hell IDs are checked for scores of things we do.  Is that done out of conspiracy theories/paranoia? 

 

3 minutes ago, SectionC3 said:

Equating gun ownership with voting.  Great stuff.  Almost as silly as equating HCQ with effective treatments for COVID-19.  But you're the Doc who believes in medical hoaxes propounded by a real estate developer, not me.  Enjoy your day, sir. 

 

Gun ownership is considered a right.  It's your argument counselor.  Looks like 2nd, much less 1st, chair isn't coming anytime soon...

 

[oldmanfan]

3 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

You’ve done nothing of the sort.  You’ve regurgitated talking points cloaked in some notion of virtue, purported the talking points to be evidence of something that flipped your particular trigger, and think by harkening back to days long gone think you’re making a point.  The point to me is you point to data when it suits you, emotion when it does not. 
 

As for Trump and hissy fits, the reality is that complaints about rigged and fraudulent elections has been mainstream for several years and is nothing new to American politics.  Obama, Biden, Pelosi et al set about destroying faith in the process as early as 2015, and tens of millions of folks—maybe you, maybe not—bought it.  
 

I won’t bother arguing about election results and the ability for outside parties to influence the election.  It doesn’t matter.  Biden is president, all that really boils down to is your flavor of enabled scumbag is in charge v somebody else’s.  Big picture, of course elections can be impacted, of course powerful people would change the outcome illegally if possible, and it’s silly and naive to think otherwise.  To be candid, I have a much greater problem with 4 years of dem and media propaganda destroying faith in the system and impacting 2020 than anything that happened in November.  
 

So, if all you have is feelings and talking points, best to leave the folks in Georgia to their process.  

I am sorry you cannot recognize obvious facts and that you choose to be so naive on this issue.  We agree on many things.  Not on this.

 

And as for earlier complaints by Democrats, tell me when Clinton conceded the 2016 election.

[oldmanfan]

7 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

 

I've been a proponent of voter ID for decades.  That means well-preceding Trump FYI.  And I don't care who investigated or certified what.  My own thinking tells me there is no way for people to know if people are voting illegally if you're not checking ID.  Hell IDs are checked for scores of things we do.  Is that done out of conspiracy theories/paranoia? 

 

 

Gun ownership is considered a right.  It's your argument counselor.  Looks like 2nd, much less 1st, chair isn't coming anytime soon...

 

I have stated that I am for an ID that all citizens can access equally.  And the right to vote is paramount to our country, even more than many enumerated in the first and second amendments.  Without the right to vote we don’t have a democratic republic at all.

[BillStime]

1 hour ago, oldmanfan said:

Bull crap.  I and others have repeatedly indicated the data by which the Georgia law will adversely affect the black community.  No, they are not the Jim Crow laws of yesteryear because thankfully those have been outlawed.  
 

Oh, and when it comes to data, the data that is relevant is the data that says the Georgia law and others like it and based on a fantasy.  There is no data to suggest that there was fraud in the 2020 election.  None.  Zero.  Nada.  These laws are being passed because Trump had a hissy fit about losing and claimed fraud before any votes were even counted, and Republicans didn’t and still don’t have the spine to tell him to shut up. 

That’s only partially true - the law was changed to help make it a hell of a lot easier to find those 11,000 votes Trump wanted.

 

If the Secretary of State wasn’t ethical - those votes would have magically appeared.

 

 

[Chef Jim]

1 hour ago, oldmanfan said:

Bull crap.  I and others have repeatedly indicated the data by which the Georgia law will adversely affect the black community.  No, they are not the Jim Crow laws of yesteryear because thankfully those have been outlawed.  
 

Oh, and when it comes to data, the data that is relevant is the data that says the Georgia law and others like it and based on a fantasy.  There is no data to suggest that there was fraud in the 2020 election.  None.  Zero.  Nada.  These laws are being passed because Trump had a hissy fit about losing and claimed fraud before any votes were even counted, and Republicans didn’t and still don’t have the spine to tell him to shut up. 

So does it adversely affect the black community only?  

[Orlando Tim]

8 hours ago, oldmanfan said:

Then what the hell are you arguing about?

Nice one, you lie about me, then act like I am the problem because you can't read.

[BillStime]

55 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

That claim has always been spurious at best.  How do you catch people voting illegally if you're not checking ID? 

 

Meanwhile the claim that since voting is a right that it should be as easy as possible is a fallacy.  Owning a gun is a right yet it's not easy, much less cheap.  So that dog doesn't hunt either.

More BS from @Doc - it is easier to buy a gun on the same day and kill 9 people than register to vote on the same day in Georgia - now why is that? 

 

 

[oldmanfan]

4 minutes ago, Buffalo Timmy said:

Nice one, you lie about me, then act like I am the problem because you can't read.

You support the law.  The law makes it harder for some to vote.  The only reason the law was written was because Trump trumped up false charges about fraud, which I have not seen you acknowledge.  Where have I lied?

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

11 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

I am sorry you cannot recognize obvious facts and that you choose to be so naive on this issue.  We agree on many things.  Not on this.

 

And as for earlier complaints by Democrats, tell me when Clinton conceded the 2016 election.

Ah, so in your mind, Clinton conceding the election is THE standard for decency and virtue post-election and I’m naive?  That’s awesome! 
 

In fairness, if we ignored virtually every other action undertaken by democrat leadership over the past 5 years meant to subvert the faith and confidence in our election process—from Trump-Putin to Trump-Ukraine to comments on the illegitimacy of the election, to Trump-not-Putin-but-obstruction, to Kavanaugh-a-serial-abuser—-then yes, your Clinton tapped out data set is valid. 
 

Nothing happens in a vacuum my man.  You seem inordinately comfortable with political wrangling and allegations of treason/wrongdoing when directed at certain folks, but get squeamish when the spotlight gets focused on your people.   
 

Worst case scenario, Trump’s comments about a stolen election are on par with the dem coordinated and tactical approach to destroy the process.  It makes sense, actually, because it worked. 
 

 

10 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

So does it adversely affect the black community only?  

Obviously.  Because of Jim, Jim Crow. 

[oldmanfan]

8 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

So does it adversely affect the black community only?  

Quit trying to deal in absolutes.  Because the law isn’t the same as the first Jim Crow laws they aren’t Jim Crow laws.  Now this.  Rural voters in Georgia don’t have to stand in lines for hours, nor will their votes be potentially overturned by the legislature.  Why?  Because they vote Republican.

1 minute ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

Ah, so in your mind, Clinton conceding the election is THE standard for decency and virtue post-election and I’m naive?  That’s awesome! 
 

In fairness, if we ignored virtually every other action undertaken by democrat leadership over the past 5 years meant to subvert the faith and confidence in our election process—from Trump-Putin to Trump-Ukraine to comments on the illegitimacy of the election, to Trump-not-Putin-but-obstruction, to Kavanaugh-a-serial-abuser—-then yes, your Clinton tapped out data set is valid. 
 

Nothing happens in a vacuum my man.  You seem inordinately comfortable with political wrangling and allegations of treason/wrongdoing when directed at certain folks, but get squeamish when the spotlight gets focused on your people.   
 

Worst case scenario, Trump’s comments about a stolen election are on par with the dem coordinated and tactical approach to destroy the process.  It makes sense, actually, because it worked. 
 

 

Obviously.  Because of Jim, Jim Crow. 

They are not my people.  I am Independent.  You know that.  But as an independent I am appalled at legislation that actively tries to disenfranchise anyone.  I do not recall Democrats doing such.  I do recall the stealing of votes by the Daley machine.  That was wrong.

[Doc]

21 minutes ago, BillStime said:

More BS from @Doc - it is easier to buy a gun on the same day and kill 9 people than register to vote on the same day in Georgia - now why is that? 

 

 

 

So...wouldn't this be an argument against registering to vote on the same day?  Because bad things happen?

 

And why are people being registered on voting day?  If you didn't care enough in your life before, why wait until the actual day?  Because someone comes to your house and offers you something to do it?  How about...going to get them voter ID?

Edited April 10, 2021 by Doc

[Chef Jim]

7 hours ago, The Governor said:

The reason why this ended up being the most secure election in history is because the nation was on high alert the entire time because we caught him trying to cheat multiple times.

 

What, as a nation, should we do about that?

The most secure in history?  I’m not saying it wasn’t but I’d love to hear what you’re basing thar statement on.  
 

When you say we caught him cheating multiple times explain the cheating he was caught doing “multiple” times. 

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

7 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

Quit trying to deal in absolutes.  Because the law isn’t the same as the first Jim Crow laws they aren’t Jim Crow laws.  Now this.  Rural voters in Georgia don’t have to stand in lines for hours, nor will their votes be potentially overturned by the legislature.  Why?  Because they vote Republican.

They are not my people.  I am Independent.  You know that.  But as an independent I am appalled at legislation that actively tries to disenfranchise anyone.  I do not recall Democrats doing such.  I do recall the stealing of votes by the Daley machine.  That was wrong.

You wrapped that outrage in Trump’s actions regarding the recent election, and cited Clinton’s concession as something meaningful relative to the 2016 election.  Then, you called me naive.  You skipped over 5 years of American history and in that regard, you don’t sound particularly independent.  
 

Anyway, it is what it is. 
 

 

 

[Chef Jim]

10 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

Quit trying to deal in absolutes.  Because the law isn’t the same as the first Jim Crow laws they aren’t Jim Crow laws.  Now this.  Rural voters in Georgia don’t have to stand in lines for hours, nor will their votes be potentially overturned by the legislature.  Why?  Because they vote Republican.

 

Well first off I think it’s safe to say that rural voters in EVERY state don’t have to wait in line like those in the city. Soooo how does long lines in urban areas adversely affect ONLY black people? 

[Governor]

21 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

The most secure in history?  I’m not saying it wasn’t but I’d love to hear what you’re basing thar statement on.  
 

When you say we caught him cheating multiple times explain the cheating he was caught doing “multiple” times. 

https://apnews.com/article/top-officials-elections-most-secure-66f9361084ccbc461e3bbf42861057a5

[BillStime]

33 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

So...wouldn't this be an argument against registering to vote on the same day?  Because bad things happen?

 

And why are people being registered on voting day?  If you didn't care enough in your life before, why wait until the actual day?  Because someone comes to your house and offers you something to do it?  How about...going to get them voter ID?

And not a word about guns.

[Chef Jim]

10 minutes ago, The Governor said:

https://apnews.com/article/top-officials-elections-most-secure-66f9361084ccbc461e3bbf42861057a5

So you think that article confirmed that 2020 was the most secure election ever?  

[BillStime]

Just now, Chef Jim said:

So you think that article confirmed that 2020 was the most secure election ever?  

Can you prove it wasn’t?

[SectionC3]

14 hours ago, Chef Jim said:

 

Would changing the sometimes hard to read handwritten signature to a numbered ID make this a very moot point?  

 

 

It probably would make it worse.  In a nutshell, what you want with that plan is to either severely limit or end absentee voting.  Not because there's any problem with it--no allegations of meaningful fraud in 2020--but because Trump spun a hoax/lie about voter fraud that you've bought into and that has caused you to mistakenly believe there is some security risk with respect to our electoral process that requires correction.  It's interesting that the only place that feels compelled to address these "problems" in this fashion is Georgia, which was ground zero for the Trump hoax/Trump election interference efforts. 

56 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

So does it adversely affect the black community only?  

 

Absurd to suggest that the affected class need be entirely African-American.  How about majority African-American?  Or critical mass AA?  Nah.  Extremists like you deal in extremes.  We should expect nothing less. 

[Chef Jim]

2 minutes ago, BillStime said:

Can you prove it wasn’t?

I never said it wasn’t. 🙄

[Doc]

5 minutes ago, BillStime said:

And not a word about guns.

 

The guy passed a background check.  But I would be in favor of a waiting period.

[SectionC3]

37 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

So...wouldn't this be an argument against registering to vote on the same day?  Because bad things happen?

 

And why are people being registered on voting day?  If you didn't care enough in your life before, why wait until the actual day?  Because someone comes to your house and offers you something to do it?  How about...going to get them voter ID?

 

I didn't realize I needed to exercise my rights in advance in this country.  That's an . . . interesting . . . theory. 

[Chef Jim]

2 minutes ago, SectionC3 said:

 

It probably would make it worse.  In a nutshell, what you want with that plan is to either severely limit or end absentee voting.  Not because there's any problem with it--no allegations of meaningful fraud in 2020--but because Trump spun a hoax/lie about voter fraud that you've bought into and that has caused you to mistakenly believe there is some security risk with respect to our electoral process that requires correction.  It's interesting that the only place that feels compelled to address these "problems" in this fashion is Georgia, which was ground zero for the Trump hoax/Trump election interference efforts. 

So is this what the Bill is all about?  

[Doc]

Just now, SectionC3 said:

I didn't realize I needed to exercise my rights in advance in this country.  That's an . . . interesting . . . theory. 

 

Do you need to vote?  If voting is so vitally important, why treat it like a joke?

[SectionC3]

17 hours ago, Wacka said:

But the democrat party that supported slavery, wrote the Jim Crow laws, founded the KKK, had a senator that was a KKK kleagle, and filibustered civil rights laws  is not racist?

 

Nope.  That was generations ago.  Applying that logic, you're probably for such things as reparations for slavery and punishing Columbus's relatives for the diseased blanket issue.  

Just now, Doc said:

 

Do you need to vote?  If voting is so vitally important, why treat it like a joke?

 

You have an odd definition of joke.  But, given some of your other theories, that's not surprising. 

1 minute ago, Chef Jim said:

So is this what the Bill is all about?  

 

Which bill?

[BillStime]

1 minute ago, Doc said:

 

The guy passed a background check.  But I would be in favor of a waiting period.

Got it - so we can run out and buy a gun the same day and kill as many people as you want without thought but you are worried someone is going to register to f’n VOTE same day because they were influenced by someone?

 

Are you nuts?

[Chef Jim]

5 minutes ago, SectionC3 said:

 

It probably would make it worse.  In a nutshell, what you want with that plan is to either severely limit or end absentee voting.  Not because there's any problem with it--no allegations of meaningful fraud in 2020--but because Trump spun a hoax/lie about voter fraud that you've bought into and that has caused you to mistakenly believe there is some security risk with respect to our electoral process that requires correction.  It's interesting that the only place that feels compelled to address these "problems" in this fashion is Georgia, which was ground zero for the Trump hoax/Trump election interference efforts. 

 

Absurd to suggest that the affected class need be entirely African-American.  How about majority African-American?  Or critical mass AA?  Nah.  Extremists like you deal in extremes.  We should expect nothing less. 

If it’s to be considered Jim Crow wouldn’t have to adversely affect only Black people. Or target only black people?  I’ll answer for you. YES!  Now on to the proof you must have to come to this conclusion.  

4 minutes ago, SectionC3 said:

Which bill?

The Jim Crow on steroids one. 

[BillStime]

3 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

Do you need to vote?  If voting is so vitally important, why treat it like a joke?

Who is treating it like a joke?

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

31 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

So is this what the Bill is all about?  

its about things like this: 

https://www.ajc.com/news/state--regional-govt--politics/records-city-hall-staffer-claims-voter-fraud-2017-election/cPuLPgrSfBpjlyFdlCxRJK/

[BillStime]

3 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

its about things like this: 

https://www.ajc.com/news/state--regional-govt--politics/records-city-hall-staffer-claims-voter-fraud-2017-election/cPuLPgrSfBpjlyFdlCxRJK/

Awe - that’s really cute. 🤗

 

But cmon - it’s really about making this possible...

 

Trump Urged Georgia Officials to Find Votes, Flip State to Him

...meanwhile the GQP wants YOU to focus on absentee ballots (oh and for you ballot harvesting).

 

So Mister Independent and above the fray as always...

 

 

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

13 minutes ago, BillStime said:

Awe - that’s really cute. 🤗

 

But cmon - it’s really about making this possible...

 

Trump Urged Georgia Officials to Find Votes, Flip State to Him

...meanwhile the GQP wants YOU to focus on absentee ballots (oh and for you ballot harvesting).

 

So Mister Independent and above the fray as always...

 

 

Wait so it’s not Jim Crow then now? 🙄 and ID restrictions help Trump in that scenario above? How about water? 

 

Your  incoherence is tough to track. 
 

Democrats fear republicans obstructing to their “voter outreach” institutions, which amounts to harvesting. 
 

Anyone with half a brain can read the HR1 and the conflicting Georgia law and see this is the power struggle on legality of harvesting votes from the apathetic voters plain and simple. Democrats are better at it and republicans know it. 

 

 

Especially in densely populated democratic cities that can swing states. 

Edited April 10, 2021 by Over 29 years of fanhood

[DrDawkinstein]

2 hours ago, Doc said:

 

That claim has always been spurious at best.  How do you catch people voting illegally if you're not checking ID? 

 

Meanwhile the claim that since voting is a right that it should be as easy as possible is a fallacy.  Owning a gun is a right yet it's not easy, much less cheap.  So that dog doesn't hunt either.

 

If you are seriously comparing voting to what someone can do with a gun, then we arent in the same realities.

 

Plus, I can walk into any Walmart or Dick's near me and walk out with a gun today.

[BillStime]

8 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

Wait so it’s not Jim Crow then now? 🙄 and ID restrictions help Trump in that scenario above? How about water? 

 

Your  incoherence is tough to track. 
 

Democrats fear republicans obstructing to their “voter outreach” institutions, which amounts to harvesting. 
 

Anyone with half a brain can read the HR1 and the conflicting Georgia law and see this is the power struggle on legality of harvesting votes from the apathetic voters plain and simple. Democrats are better at it and republicans know it. 

 

 

Especially in densely populated democratic cities that can swing states. 

The writers of this law did an amazing job confusing you simpletons.... none of you will honestly address the blatant power shift - because you know you can’t defend it. 
 

 

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

7 minutes ago, BillStime said:

The writers of this law did an amazing job confusing you simpletons.... none of you will honestly address the blatant power shift - because you know you can’t defend it. 
 

 

Sure alt left sheep Bot.. good luck with your parties blatant attempt to federalize election control and keep screaming about republicans impotent half hearted effort to address it as Jim Crow, water bans! Racist!!! Fear!!!!! Doooooom!!!!!!! 
 

 

[BillStime]

20 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

 

Especially in densely populated democratic cities that can swing states. 

So what you’re saying is - Democrats make it easier for EVERYONE to

vote - while the GQP adds hurdles to counter those huge massive Democratic counties in swing states.

 

Got it

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

2 minutes ago, BillStime said:

So what you’re saying is - Democrats make it easier for EVERYONE to

vote - while the GQP adds hurdles to counter those huge massive Democratic counties in swing states.

 

Got it

I’m laughing at you...

 

sure bud.  It’s good guys vs bad guys. Your masters are pure and well intentioned 😂 

[BillStime]

18 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

Sure alt left sheep Bot.. good luck with your parties blatant attempt to federalize election control and keep screaming about republicans impotent half hearted effort to address it as Jim Crow, water bans! Racist!!! Fear!!!!! Doooooom!!!!!!! 
 

 

This thread has already demonstrated the need to federalize elections. Many here posted Fox related images highlighting the disparity between voting laws in NY and Georgia - those doing so didn’t even realize they were codifying the need for universal voting laws.

 

The problem is - fanboy - the GQP is a dying party - devoid of ideas - and their response is to curb voter turnout - because they know they don’t have enough voters to beat Democrats - hence the need for that special election committee appointed by the GQP legislature and Governor - only way to counter, throw out and not certify those votes in large blue counties. 

 

And the funny thing - you would think the GQP in Georgia would have learned by now - Stacey Adams already proved that when the GQP raises the “bar” - she will get the turnout to jump over it. This will backfire on the GQP.

 

 

12 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

I’m laughing at you...

 

sure bud.  It’s good guys vs bad guys. Your masters are pure and well intentioned 😂 

And you always stick up for the bad guys - we have your entire history here doing so - Mister Independent. 

Edited April 10, 2021 by BillStime

[Chef Jim]

1 hour ago, BillStime said:

Awe - that’s really cute. 🤗

 

But cmon - it’s really about making this possible...

 

Trump Urged Georgia Officials to Find Votes, Flip State to Him

...meanwhile the GQP wants YOU to focus on absentee ballots (oh and for you ballot harvesting).

 

So Mister Independent and above the fray as always...

 

 

I thought it was racist?   Why have you gone away from that narrative?  

Edited April 10, 2021 by Chef Jim

[BillStime]

4 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

I thought it was racist?   Why have you gone away from that narrative?  

Oh it is...you don’t think the special GQP committee is going to touch white suburban/rural votes do ya?

 

idiots

[Chef Jim]

1 minute ago, BillStime said:

Oh it is...you don’t think the special GQP committee is going to touch white suburban/rural votes do ya?

 

idiots

So this law unfairly affects urban areas?