Boatdrinks Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 39 minutes ago, Motorin' said: I think most people have trouble breathing when anxiety kicks in. It's actually a physiological response to panic, the diaphragm muscles that need to expand to take a full breath tighten and you actually can't get full breaths. But even if Floyd was lying about not being able to breathe before he was put on the ground, suffocating him to death is an extreme form of "I'll give you something to cry about." Oh Chauvin is guilty of something . Just not sure what Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motorin' Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 Just now, Boatdrinks said: Oh Chauvin is guilty of something . Just not sure what I wish there was a "fair enough" button. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 1 hour ago, B-Man said: A rather odd response to a post with a video. Oh wait, it's Tibs trying (and failing) to change the subject. I watched all that on tv. Go watch the Sabres game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeviF Posted April 14, 2021 Share Posted April 14, 2021 5 hours ago, TSOL said: That's why in canada and england they would have just let him go. To use the billions of dollars we have invested in technology to find him at a later date. This was not a life or death infraction he was being arrested for. Trigger happy cops with egos from being trained like they are junior special ops forces aren't what this country needs To your first point, we train officers that you don’t make contact with a subject in a vehicle that can still move. Ain’t ***** worth getting dragged. You can find the shitbag at a later date because he’ll never stop being a shitbag. And what happened to Daunte Wright is the direct result of neglecting and underfunding training for cops. All that being said, if you comply you never get an accidental stress response like the one young Mr. Wright received. 4 hours ago, TSOL said: He was trying to run from an expired registration ticket. No, he was trying to run from a felony warrant. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted April 14, 2021 Share Posted April 14, 2021 58 minutes ago, Tiberius said: I watched all that on tv. Go watch the Sabres game Now THIS may be the craziest thing anyone has ever posted on here. EVERYONE knows that the Sabres are completely unwatchable! Tibs, you really do live in a Bizzaro World. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted April 14, 2021 Share Posted April 14, 2021 1 hour ago, SoCal Deek said: Now THIS may be the craziest thing anyone has ever posted on here. EVERYONE knows that the Sabres are completely unwatchable! Tibs, you really do live in a Bizzaro World. It was a fun game to watch tonight Dahlin is a turning into a super star. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSOL Posted April 14, 2021 Share Posted April 14, 2021 1 hour ago, LeviF91 said: To your first point, we train officers that you don’t make contact with a subject in a vehicle that can still move. Ain’t ***** worth getting dragged. You can find the shitbag at a later date because he’ll never stop being a shitbag. And what happened to Daunte Wright is the direct result of neglecting and underfunding training for cops. All that being said, if you comply you never get an accidental stress response like the one young Mr. Wright received. No, he was trying to run from a felony warrant. I just don't think I trust cops with guns anymore. Maybe they should just carry tasers. Or blowdarts or slingshots. Something way less lethal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeviF Posted April 14, 2021 Share Posted April 14, 2021 6 minutes ago, TSOL said: I just don't think I trust cops with guns anymore. Maybe they should just carry tasers. Or blowdarts or slingshots. Something way less lethal. So abolish the police. Got it. Just for kicks do you know how many “bad shoots” of African Americans there are per year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSOL Posted April 14, 2021 Share Posted April 14, 2021 Just now, LeviF91 said: So abolish the police. Got it. Just for kicks do you know how many “bad shoots” of African Americans there are per year? Dont abolish police, where did you get that from. Just don't give them the ability for deadly force. Why you getting all passive aggresive with me about that? You like the cops having the ability to kill people? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeviF Posted April 14, 2021 Share Posted April 14, 2021 1 minute ago, TSOL said: Dont abolish police, where did you get that from. Just don't give them the ability for deadly force. Why you getting all passive aggresive with me about that? You like the cops having the ability to kill people? Every nation on earth has a police force that carries guns in at least some capacity. Without the ability to use deadly force, law enforcement is impossible. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted April 14, 2021 Share Posted April 14, 2021 BREAKING – Motion for Judgment of Acquittal Denied, Defense Case Continues https://legalinsurrection.com/2021/04/live-chauvin-trial-day-13-this-morning-court-to-consider-judgment-of-acquittal/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted April 14, 2021 Share Posted April 14, 2021 13 hours ago, TSOL said: Dont abolish police, where did you get that from. Just don't give them the ability for deadly force. Why you getting all passive aggresive with me about that? You like the cops having the ability to kill people? So you want police to show up to a potential gun fight with what exactly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted April 14, 2021 Share Posted April 14, 2021 (edited) Edited April 14, 2021 by B-Man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSOL Posted April 14, 2021 Share Posted April 14, 2021 1 hour ago, Chef Jim said: So you want police to show up to a potential gun fight with what exactly? The cops should be driving little three wheeled electric golf carts, have little rubber billy clubs and wear those funny old time hats that they used to have back in the day. That's my solution 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motorin' Posted April 14, 2021 Share Posted April 14, 2021 36 minutes ago, B-Man said: So we are to believe that it's legal police policy to kneel on the neck of a man having a heart attack? Sadistic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted April 14, 2021 Share Posted April 14, 2021 3 minutes ago, Motorin' said: So we are to believe that it's legal police policy to kneel on the neck of a man having a heart attack? Sadistic. Your statement, as always, is completelty off point from what the pathologist said. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motorin' Posted April 14, 2021 Share Posted April 14, 2021 11 minutes ago, B-Man said: Your statement, as always, is completelty off point from what the pathologist said. So the pathologist testified that Floyd had cardiac arrest after he was found pulseless while Chauvin continued to kneel on his neck? Otherwise, you have a cop kneeling on a dead man's neck who had cardiac arrest. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted April 14, 2021 Share Posted April 14, 2021 59 minutes ago, B-Man said: So a guy sitting on his neck while he said he could not breath was not the cause? Ya, ok. This guy has testified for other police accused of killing people, right? 2 minutes ago, Motorin' said: So the pathologist testified that Floyd had cardiac arrest after he was found pulseless while Chauvin continued to kneel on his neck? Otherwise, you have a cop kneeling on a dead man's neck who had cardiac arrest. These experts have biases, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unforgiven Posted April 14, 2021 Share Posted April 14, 2021 3 minutes ago, Motorin' said: So the pathologist testified that Floyd had cardiac arrest after he was found pulseless while Chauvin continued to kneel on his neck? Otherwise, you have a cop kneeling on a dead man's neck who had cardiac arrest. Neck area 2 minutes ago, Tiberius said: So a guy sitting on his neck while he said he could not breath was not the cause? Ya, ok. This guy has testified for other police accused of killing people, right? Neck area Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted April 14, 2021 Share Posted April 14, 2021 Just now, Unforgiven said: Neck area until dead 1 minute ago, Unforgiven said: Neck area Neck area Until dead Until dead Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motorin' Posted April 14, 2021 Share Posted April 14, 2021 2 minutes ago, Tiberius said: So a guy sitting on his neck while he said he could not breath was not the cause? Ya, ok. This guy has testified for other police accused of killing people, right? These experts have biases, too. Meanwhile, "Dr. Bradford Wankhede Langenfeld, the Hennepin County Medical Center physician who pronounced George Floyd dead, previously said that Floyd’s cardiac arrest was likely a result of a lack of oxygen — a source of information backed by Dr. Martin Tobin, a pulmonologist and physician with experience in critical care medicine, who explained that Floyd’s insufficient oxygen levels “caused damage to his brain” and “caused a PEA arrhythmia that caused his heart to stop.” I'm not surprised the Defense was able to pay an expert witness to say that Floyd's death was caused by Floyd himself. But you have to be a sadist to believe that argument aquits Chauvin. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unforgiven Posted April 14, 2021 Share Posted April 14, 2021 4 minutes ago, Tiberius said: until dead Until dead Until dead Triggered lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted April 14, 2021 Share Posted April 14, 2021 1 minute ago, Unforgiven said: Triggered lol Not until dead, though So you are free to go Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unforgiven Posted April 14, 2021 Share Posted April 14, 2021 4 minutes ago, Motorin' said: Meanwhile, "Dr. Bradford Wankhede Langenfeld, the Hennepin County Medical Center physician who pronounced George Floyd dead, previously said that Floyd’s cardiac arrest was likely a result of a lack of oxygen — a source of information backed by Dr. Martin Tobin, a pulmonologist and physician with experience in critical care medicine, who explained that Floyd’s insufficient oxygen levels “caused damage to his brain” and “caused a PEA arrhythmia that caused his heart to stop.” I'm not surprised the Defense was able to pay an expert witness to say that Floyd's death was caused by Floyd himself. But you have to be a sadist to believe that argument aquits Chauvin. Technically speaking this is sort of correct...wouldn't he probably still be alive today if he wasn't drugged out committing some crime that day? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted April 14, 2021 Share Posted April 14, 2021 1 hour ago, TSOL said: The cops should be driving little three wheeled electric golf carts, have little rubber billy clubs and wear those funny old time hats that they used to have back in the day. That's my solution So you have no serious answer to your stupid comment. Glad I could call you out on your stupidity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted April 14, 2021 Share Posted April 14, 2021 Nice cross examination to get the defenses expert to admit that Floyd should have been given medical attention. That’s part of the charges, and that was a defense witness! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wnyguy Posted April 14, 2021 Share Posted April 14, 2021 Just now, Tiberius said: Nice cross examination to get the defenses expert to admit that Floyd should have been given medical attention. That’s part of the charges, and that was a defense witness! Agree with you there. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted April 15, 2021 Share Posted April 15, 2021 OK, I’m curious. Some of you appear to be watching the trial from gavel to gavel. Is the actual trial on TV somewhere? Or are you just seeing edited highlights? And if you’re watching the entire thing...don’t you have better things to do? Like going to work? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted April 15, 2021 Share Posted April 15, 2021 30 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: OK, I’m curious. Some of you appear to be watching the trial from gavel to gavel. Is the actual trial on TV somewhere? Or are you just seeing edited highlights? And if you’re watching the entire thing...don’t you have better things to do? Like going to work? I have been catching bits and pieces at work, but when I get home, the trial is usually still going on for like an hour so I can catch it on CNN. Love watching trails! I wish I had court tv 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeviF Posted April 15, 2021 Share Posted April 15, 2021 39 minutes ago, Tiberius said: I have been catching bits and pieces at work, but when I get home, the trial is usually still going on for like an hour so I can catch it on CNN. Love watching trails! I wish I had court tv I’m surprised one of those free smart TV apps like Friendly or Pluto don’t have court tv. Pluto has a channel that just does “Cops” reruns 24/7 and a channel that plays old WPT events lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T&C Posted April 15, 2021 Author Share Posted April 15, 2021 Defense rests in Derek Chauvin murder trial for death of George Floyd: https://www.baynews9.com/fl/tampa/news/2021/04/15/defense-rest-chauvin- The defense has rested in George Floyd's murder trial Thursday, without former Minneapolis police officer Derek Chauvin taking the stand. “I will invoke my fifth amendment privilege today,” Chauvin said, choosing not to testify on his own behalf. The prosecution's case took two weeks; the defense took all of two days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted April 15, 2021 Share Posted April 15, 2021 On 4/13/2021 at 10:06 PM, TSOL said: I just don't think I trust cops with guns anymore. Maybe they should just carry tasers. Or blowdarts or slingshots. Something way less lethal. I thought about this, or at least have them in a lock box on the car with only the taser holstered. But the criminals all have guns... lots of them 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niagara Bill Posted April 15, 2021 Share Posted April 15, 2021 4 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: I thought about this, or at least have them in a lock box on the car with only the taser holstered. I have thought if this type of situation except there are many neighborhoods where this would be suicide in 2021. Cops have become a military unit, trained to attack their own citizens. The disrespect of the law by many gss led to this. Many societal issues must be fixed simultaneously. Lessening the danger from police would assist in creating a better relationship with all citizens except the criminals. The solution to fixing the gang, drug and criminal issues are way past my ability to try to explain. Very complex. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeviF Posted April 15, 2021 Share Posted April 15, 2021 2 minutes ago, Niagara Bill said: I have thought if this type of situation except there are many neighborhoods where this would be suicide in 2021. Cops have become a military unit, trained to attack their own citizens. The disrespect of the law by many gss led to this. Many societal issues must be fixed simultaneously. Lessening the danger from police would assist in creating a better relationship with all citizens except the criminals. The solution to fixing the gang, drug and criminal issues are way past my ability to try to explain. Very complex. Tbh you might get flamed for the military comparison but urban police in many places are basically an occupying force with the justification for their presence being high rates of violent crime. Some cities have tried mitigating this by recruiting more locals but it’s tough sledding, especially now. 2 hours ago, Tiberius said: I have been catching bits and pieces at work, but when I get home, the trial is usually still going on for like an hour so I can catch it on CNN. Love watching trails! I wish I had court tv Oh btw tibs I just googled it and apparently court tv has a free app for fire stick, roku, etc. Not sure if the live content is free but worth a shot. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted April 15, 2021 Share Posted April 15, 2021 13 minutes ago, LeviF91 said: Tbh you might get flamed for the military comparison but urban police in many places are basically an occupying force with the justification for their presence being high rates of violent crime. Some cities have tried mitigating this by recruiting more locals but it’s tough sledding, especially now. Oh btw tibs I just googled it and apparently court tv has a free app for fire stick, roku, etc. Not sure if the live content is free but worth a shot. Thanks! I'll check that out! 44 minutes ago, T&C said: Defense rests in Derek Chauvin murder trial for death of George Floyd: https://www.baynews9.com/fl/tampa/news/2021/04/15/defense-rest-chauvin- The defense has rested in George Floyd's murder trial Thursday, without former Minneapolis police officer Derek Chauvin taking the stand. “I will invoke my fifth amendment privilege today,” Chauvin said, choosing not to testify on his own behalf. The prosecution's case took two weeks; the defense took all of two days. Interesting. I was thinking he should have taken the stand. He would of been able to show remorse, that he was under so much stress and that he did not want to hurt Mr. Floyd. Of course, cross examination would of been brutal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted April 15, 2021 Share Posted April 15, 2021 21 minutes ago, Niagara Bill said: I have thought if this type of situation except there are many neighborhoods where this would be suicide in 2021. Cops have become a military unit, trained to attack their own citizens. The disrespect of the law by many gss led to this. Many societal issues must be fixed simultaneously. Lessening the danger from police would assist in creating a better relationship with all citizens except the criminals. The solution to fixing the gang, drug and criminal issues are way past my ability to try to explain. Very complex. Yup. That's a tough one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T&C Posted April 15, 2021 Author Share Posted April 15, 2021 41 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Interesting. I was thinking he should have taken the stand. He would of been able to show remorse, that he was under so much stress and that he did not want to hurt Mr. Floyd. Of course, cross examination would of been brutal. Both sides have rested their case... final arguments will be on Monday. Here is a bit of the article referring your mention of Chauvin taking the stand: https://www.baynews9.com/fl/tampa/news/2021/04/15/defense-rest-chauvin- “I will invoke my Fifth Amendment privilege today,” Chauvin said, choosing not to testify on his own behalf, opting to use his right against self-incrimination. “Is this your decision not to testify?” Judge Peter Cahill asked. “It is, your honor,” Chauvin said. The risks for Chauvin were high: Testifying could have opened him up to devastating cross-examination, with prosecutors replaying the video of the arrest and forcing Chauvin to explain, one frame at a time, why he kept pressing down on Floyd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted April 15, 2021 Share Posted April 15, 2021 2 hours ago, Niagara Bill said: I have thought if this type of situation except there are many neighborhoods where this would be suicide in 2021. Cops have become a military unit, trained to attack their own citizens. The disrespect of the law by many gss led to this. Many societal issues must be fixed simultaneously. Lessening the danger from police would assist in creating a better relationship with all citizens except the criminals. The solution to fixing the gang, drug and criminal issues are way past my ability to try to explain. Very complex. The danger from Police to non criminal citizens is already extremely low. Cultural issues that make some extremely violent toward Police is indeed a difficult issue to “ solve”. There may not be any realistic solution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motorin' Posted April 15, 2021 Share Posted April 15, 2021 8 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said: The danger from Police to non criminal citizens is already extremely low. Cultural issues that make some extremely violent toward Police is indeed a difficult issue to “ solve”. There may not be any realistic solution. I get it. Criminals shouldn't be afforded the rights of citizens. And the police know who to target just by looking . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted April 15, 2021 Share Posted April 15, 2021 4 hours ago, Motorin' said: I get it. Criminals shouldn't be afforded the rights of citizens. And the police know who to target just by looking . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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