Tiberius Posted April 12, 2021 Share Posted April 12, 2021 15 minutes ago, Chef Jim said: Sigh....why do I even bother. Plant the seed of doubt in a jury and even a pretty guilty murderer goes free. So you agree he is obviously guilty? 3 hours ago, B-Man said: Can’t defend the killer, so try and attack the free press. Yawn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted April 12, 2021 Share Posted April 12, 2021 Guilty and being found guilty in a court of law are not the same thing. Guilty people do walk free. This is true regardless of one’s take on Chauvin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted April 12, 2021 Share Posted April 12, 2021 Just now, Tiberius said: So you agree he is obviously guilty? Do I agree with whom? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted April 12, 2021 Share Posted April 12, 2021 55 minutes ago, Chef Jim said: I find it quite entertaining you used the word exaggerated in this post to refer to someone else. Plus I thought it was north of 80,000,000 who voted for Biden but maybe the Les Habitant crowd has some insider intel from young Trudeau. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted April 12, 2021 Share Posted April 12, 2021 3 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: Plus I thought it was north of 80,000,000 who voted for Biden but maybe the Les Habitant crowd has some insider intel from young Trudeau. It's the vote conversion from loonies to non-loonies. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted April 12, 2021 Share Posted April 12, 2021 9 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said: Guilty and being found guilty in a court of law are not the same thing. Guilty people do walk free. This is true regardless of one’s take on Chauvin. He won’t be found not guilty. That will not happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted April 12, 2021 Share Posted April 12, 2021 10 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said: Guilty and being found guilty in a court of law are not the same thing. Guilty people do walk free. This is true regardless of one’s take on Chauvin. And you’re going to be the one to decide? Good to know! Can you give America your 800 number? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted April 12, 2021 Share Posted April 12, 2021 Just now, Tiberius said: He won’t be found not guilty. That will not happen. In this one rare instance, you may be right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T&C Posted April 12, 2021 Author Share Posted April 12, 2021 Banana mayonnaise sandwiches, can't wrap my head around this one. Yow. https://www.baynews9.com/fl/tampa/news/2021/04/12/chauvin-trial-george-floyd-prosecution-nears-end Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motorin' Posted April 12, 2021 Share Posted April 12, 2021 13 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: I don’t want to get into an entire debate here but wasn’t it shown that he was actually kneeling on his shoulder? Or doesn’t that fit the narrative? It doesn’t make what the officer did right, but at least we should get the facts straight. You seem to be focusing excusivley on the defense narrative that has been refuted by expert witnesses and piles of video evidence. Was there a still frame that showed Chauvin's knee on Floyd's shoulder? Absolutely. Are there many many minutes of video that show his knee on his neck? Absolutely. If you watch the video and do not see a man being slowly suffocated to death, I don't know what to tell you. Do me a favor, watch how Chauvin picks up George Floyd's pulseless body by the handcuffs and drags him across the street when the paramedics arrive and let me know if Chauvin is a man that seems to respect George Floyd's basic human right to life. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted April 12, 2021 Share Posted April 12, 2021 1 minute ago, SoCal Deek said: And you’re going to be the one to decide? Good to know! Can you give America your 800 number? Me, decide that? Hell no!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted April 12, 2021 Share Posted April 12, 2021 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Lol, no, it’s pretty clear cut. Thanks though 🙏 Did witnesses specifically testify that the cause of death was suffocation due to the kneeling? What about the testifying of narcotics that appear to have been consumed/ in the blood stream before the kneeling? Do we know that the drugs played NO part? Perhaps...but that, right there, might raise doubt amongst one of the jurors- even if it doesn’t with you... And that’s just the cause of death...next you have to determine intent- which is even harder... As much as we detest what Chauvin did, each person is due a fair trial, and every aspect of the situation must be examined to the fullest... Edited April 12, 2021 by JaCrispy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted April 12, 2021 Share Posted April 12, 2021 2 minutes ago, Motorin' said: You seem to be focusing excusivley on the defense narrative that has been refuted by expert witnesses and piles of video evidence. Was there a still frame that showed Chauvin's knee on Floyd's shoulder? Absolutely. Are there many many minutes of video that show his knee on his neck? Absolutely. If you watch the video and do not see a man being slowly suffocated to death, I don't know what to tell you. Do me a favor, watch how Chauvin picks up George Floyd's pulseless body by the handcuffs and drags him across the street when the paramedics arrive and let me know if Chauvin is a man that seems to respect George Floyd's basic human right to life. That last part, it was just horrible. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted April 12, 2021 Share Posted April 12, 2021 1 minute ago, Motorin' said: You seem to be focusing excusivley on the defense narrative that has been refuted by expert witnesses and piles of video evidence. Was there a still frame that showed Chauvin's knee on Floyd's shoulder? Absolutely. Are there many many minutes of video that show his knee on his neck? Absolutely. If you watch the video and do not see a man being slowly suffocated to death, I don't know what to tell you. Do me a favor, watch how Chauvin picks up George Floyd's pulseless body by the handcuffs and drags him across the street when the paramedics arrive and let me know if Chauvin is a man that seems to respect George Floyd's basic human right to life. Once again, not trying to get into an entire debate here. I’ve watched literally none of this trial. I’ve only seen small excerpts. I believe I already said it doesn’t make anything the officer did right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted April 12, 2021 Share Posted April 12, 2021 Just now, JaCrispy said: Did witnesses specifically testify that the cause of death was suffocation due to the kneeling? What about the testifying of narcotics that appear to have been consumed/ in the blood stream before the kneeling? Do we know that the drugs played NO part? Perhaps...but that, right there, might raise doubt amongst one of the jurors- even if it doesn’t with you... And that’s just the cause of death...next you have to determine intent- which is even harder... As much as we detest what Chauvin did, each person is due a fair trial, and every aspect of the situation must be examined... Expert witnesses in many areas testified of the guilt of the defendant and what he did wrong that ended up killing Floyd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motorin' Posted April 12, 2021 Share Posted April 12, 2021 Just now, SoCal Deek said: Once again, not trying to get into an entire debate here. I’ve watched literally none of this trial. I’ve only seen small excerpts. I believe I already said it doesn’t make anything the officer did right. Chauvin has a right to a fair trial, and the defense is doing the best job it can for what they are paid to do. I'm sure there are commentators who would take a still frame representing 1/30th of a second and try to claim that it is represenative of the entire 10 minutes. It's also true that a knee and leg and be on the shoulder and neck at the same time. The medical report was ruled death due to lack of oxygen and homicide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melon Posted April 12, 2021 Share Posted April 12, 2021 Why are those that stump for Chauvin’s defense the same that defend Matt Gaetz? Because they’re still members of the cult! Thank you for the support Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T&C Posted April 12, 2021 Author Share Posted April 12, 2021 12 minutes ago, JaCrispy said: Did witnesses specifically testify that the cause of death was suffocation due to the kneeling? What about the testifying of narcotics that appear to have been consumed/ in the blood stream before the kneeling? Do we know that the drugs played NO part? Perhaps...but that, right there, might raise doubt amongst one of the jurors- even if it doesn’t with you... And that’s just the cause of death...next you have to determine intent- which is even harder... As much as we detest what Chauvin did, each person is due a fair trial, and every aspect of the situation must be examined to the fullest... Now, that is a sentence I can get on board with. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motorin' Posted April 12, 2021 Share Posted April 12, 2021 9 minutes ago, JaCrispy said: Did witnesses specifically testify that the cause of death was suffocation due to the kneeling? What about the testifying of narcotics that appear to have been consumed/ in the blood stream before the kneeling? Do we know that the drugs played NO part? Perhaps...but that, right there, might raise doubt amongst one of the jurors- even if it doesn’t with you... And that’s just the cause of death...next you have to determine intent- which is even harder... As much as we detest what Chauvin did, each person is due a fair trial, and every aspect of the situation must be examined to the fullest... Yes, the medical examiner ruled death due to lack of oxygen and homicide. Many fellow officers and law enforcement experts testified that Chauvin killed him. He continued to kneel on his neck area for almost three minutes after his fellow officer was unable to find a pulse. Fellow police officers testified that Chauvin was required by law to proceed CPR when Floyd became unconscious. An off duty Minneapolis EMT offered to provide CPR. Chauvin refused the offer, and continued to kneel on his pulseless neck. When the paramedics arrived, Chauvin slowly got off of Floyd's neck and dragged his lifeless corpse across the street by his handcuffed arms and throw his lifeless body on the stretcher. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted April 12, 2021 Share Posted April 12, 2021 8 minutes ago, Melania Trump said: Why are those that stump for Chauvin’s defense the same that defend Matt Gaetz? Because they’re still members of the cult! Thank you for the support Ya, why is that? The same crowd loved George Zimmerman, too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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