Derek Chauvin Trial

[T&C]

Lazy day here, I have it on. 

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

If the guy is not sentenced to death the country will burn. 

Edited March 29, 2021 by Over 29 years of fanhood

[T&C]

4 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

If the guy is not sentenced to death the country will burn. 

Highest charge from what I heard was 2nd degree murder so I don't think he can be sentenced to death.

[All_Pro_Bills]

1 minute ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

If the guy is not sentenced to death the country will burn. 

From the set up it sounded like a 3rd degree manslaughter (not murder if I got it right) is the most likely conviction.  Whether or not that's enough to appease the mob is an unknown.   

[B-Man]

Nothing is ever enough to appease the mob.

 

[SoCal Deek]

When does the other little cop go on trial?  He stood right their the entire time doing absolutely nothing.

[T&C]

Defense attorney coming in fidgety... he has to know deep down that his "client" is guilty as *****.

[716er]

41 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

If the guy is not sentenced to death the country will burn. 

 

He will not be sentenced to death. The country will not burn.

[aristocrat]

So his defense is going to be heart issues from covid and drugs? People are not going to like that 

[Tiberius]

5 minutes ago, aristocrat said:

So his defense is going to be heart issues from covid and drugs? People are not going to like that 

And that the officer was deaf...he could not hear him say "I can't breathe" 

[All_Pro_Bills]

3 minutes ago, aristocrat said:

So his defense is going to be heart issues from covid and drugs? People are not going to like that 

Some tidbits of what the defense might site:

 

When called to the scene due to Floyd allegedly passing counterfeit money, Floyd denied using drugs but later said he was “hooping,” or taking drugs.

 

The autopsy did not conclude that Floyd died from asphyxiation (though a family pathologist made that finding). Rather, it found “cardiopulmonary arrest while being restrained by law enforcement officer(s).” The state’s criminal complaint against Chauvin said the autopsy “revealed no physical findings that support a diagnosis of traumatic asphyxia or strangulation. Mr. Floyd had underlying health conditions including coronary artery disease and hypertensive heart disease.” He also was COVID-19 positive.

 

Andrew Baker, Hennepin County’s chief medical examiner, strongly suggested that the primary cause was a huge amount of fentanyl in Floyd’s system: “Fentanyl at 11 ng/ml — this is higher than (a) chronic pain patient. If he were found dead at home alone & no other apparent causes, this could be acceptable to call an OD (overdose). Deaths have been certified w/levels of 3.” Baker also told investigators that the autopsy revealed no physical evidence suggesting Floyd died of asphyxiation.

 

The toxicology report on Floyd’s blood also noted that “in fatalities from fentanyl, blood concentrations are variable and have been reported as low as 3 ng/ml.” Floyd had almost four times the level of fentanyl considered potentially lethal.

 

Floyd notably repeatedly said that he could not breathe while sitting in the police cruiser and before he was ever restrained on the ground. That is consistent with the level of fentanyl in his system that can cause “slowed or stopped breathing.”

 

The restraint using an officer’s knee on an uncooperative suspect was part of the training of officers, and jurors will watch training videotapes employing the same type of restraint as official policy.

[B-Man]

 

 

LIVE: Chauvin Trial Day 1 – Opening Statements

Jury gets first exposure to the state’s narrative of guilt

 

https://legalinsurrection.com/2021/03/live-chauvin-trial-day-1-opening-statements/#more-348724

 

 

[Tiberius]

27 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

Some tidbits of what the defense might site:

 

When called to the scene due to Floyd allegedly passing counterfeit money, Floyd denied using drugs but later said he was “hooping,” or taking drugs.

 

The autopsy did not conclude that Floyd died from asphyxiation (though a family pathologist made that finding). Rather, it found “cardiopulmonary arrest while being restrained by law enforcement officer(s).” The state’s criminal complaint against Chauvin said the autopsy “revealed no physical findings that support a diagnosis of traumatic asphyxia or strangulation. Mr. Floyd had underlying health conditions including coronary artery disease and hypertensive heart disease.” He also was COVID-19 positive.

 

Andrew Baker, Hennepin County’s chief medical examiner, strongly suggested that the primary cause was a huge amount of fentanyl in Floyd’s system: “Fentanyl at 11 ng/ml — this is higher than (a) chronic pain patient. If he were found dead at home alone & no other apparent causes, this could be acceptable to call an OD (overdose). Deaths have been certified w/levels of 3.” Baker also told investigators that the autopsy revealed no physical evidence suggesting Floyd died of asphyxiation.

 

The toxicology report on Floyd’s blood also noted that “in fatalities from fentanyl, blood concentrations are variable and have been reported as low as 3 ng/ml.” Floyd had almost four times the level of fentanyl considered potentially lethal.

 

Floyd notably repeatedly said that he could not breathe while sitting in the police cruiser and before he was ever restrained on the ground. That is consistent with the level of fentanyl in his system that can cause “slowed or stopped breathing.”

 

The restraint using an officer’s knee on an uncooperative suspect was part of the training of officers, and jurors will watch training videotapes employing the same type of restraint as official policy.

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The autopsy report from Hennepin County Medical Examiner's Office concludes the cause of death was "cardiopulmonary arrest complicating law enforcement subdual, restraint, and neck compression." That conclusion, death due to heart failure, differs from the one reached by an independent examiner hired by the Floyd family; that report listed the cause of death as "asphyxiation from sustained pressure."

https://www.npr.org/sections/live-updates-protests-for-racial-justice/2020/06/04/869278494/medical-examiners-autopsy-reveals-george-floyd-had-positive-test-for-coronavirus#:~:text=Organization-,Medical Examiner's Autopsy Reveals George Floyd Had Positive Test For,at the time of death.

 

I think it will be an important aspect of the trial for both sides to describe why he was being restrained like he was. 

 

Drugs in the system help the defense. 

[B-Man]

"'There is no political or social cause in this courtroom,' Mr. Chauvin’s lawyer, Eric Nelson, says. He is trying..."to focus the jury on the specifics of the evidence and steer them away from the wider issues of race and policing in America that the case symbolizes to the world outside the courtroom." 

 

From "Derek Chauvin Trial Live Updates: Lawyers Present Case in George Floyd Killing/The murder trial of the former police officer begins Monday in Minneapolis, 10 months after Mr. Floyd’s death set off protests across the nation" (NYT). 

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2021/03/29/us/derek-chauvin-trial-live

 

The defense will try to argue that Mr. Floyd took a fatal amount of fentanyl, but now [the prosecutor, Jerry W.] Blackwell is saying that is not true, that he had built up a tolerance and was not exhibiting signs of overdose. “Mr Floyd had lived with his opioid addiction for years… he was struggling, he was not passing out.”... 

 

The prosecutor is trying to head off arguments from the defense that George Floyd’s size had anything to do with his death — “his size is no excuse,” he said. George Floyd was already more than six feet tall in middle school and he rapped under the name Big Floyd with popular DJs and rappers in Houston. 

 

Mr. Chauvin’s lawyer begins his opening arguments with the notion of “reasonable doubt.” He needs one juror to buy in to the idea that drugs killed Mr. Floyd, not Mr. Chauvin’s knee, to hang the jury and force a mistrial.

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

45 minutes ago, B-Man said:

He needs one juror to buy in to the idea that drugs killed Mr. Floyd, not Mr. Chauvin’s knee, to hang the jury and force a mistrial.

They’d literally be risking their own life to take this stance. 

[T&C]

2 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

They’d literally be risking their own life to take this stance. 

Jurors are basically on a witness protection program if what I've heard is correct.

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

2 hours ago, aristocrat said:

So his defense is going to be heart issues from covid and drugs? People are not going to like that 

yep, apparently he had an arrest in 2019 that went down almost the same exact way. Was brought to hospital because he was in cardiopulmonary distress with a cocktail of toxicology and shouting for his mom etc. 
 

Im really concerned what might happen if charges are reduced in any way. 

 

it’s gonna be bad enough if he only gets 10 years. 
 

Edited March 29, 2021 by Over 29 years of fanhood

[BillStime]

Would Floyd have lost consciousness at 8:25 pm and been pronounced dead at 9:25 pm if Chauvin did not kneel on his neck?

[Chef Jim]

3 hours ago, 716er said:

 

He will not be sentenced to death. The country will not burn.

 

Well Al Sharpton is there to make sure to keep things calm regardless of the verdict.  

[Unforgiven]

3 hours ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

If the guy is not sentenced to death the country will burn. 

[Chef Jim]

2 hours ago, Tiberius said:

 

 

Drugs in the system help the defense. 

 

Police protocol and training might help the defense as well. Hard to say. 

9 minutes ago, BillStime said:

Would Floyd have lost consciousness at 8:25 pm and been pronounced dead at 9:25 pm if Chauvin did not kneel on his neck?

 

Would Floyd have lost consciousness at 8:25pm and been pronounced dead at 9:25pm had he not resisted and if the knee to neck move was not part of the department's protocol  Keep in mind I am NOT condoning the move at all.  I'm looking at it from the juror's box. 

[T&C]

5 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

 

Well Al Sharpton is there to make sure to keep things calm regardless of the verdict.  

Well Rev. Chef Jim,  can't we all be Revs?

[Chef Jim]

2 minutes ago, T&C said:

Well Rev. Chef Jim,  can't we all be Revs?

 

We can all do whatever we want.  But Sharpton is not helping by being there and opening his yap.  

[T&C]

2 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

 

We can all do whatever we want.  But Sharpton is not helping by being there and opening his yap.  

Rev. How loosely can that term be used? Was just funnin with you but really, what does one have to do to get that moniker really. Rev. T&C replying here lol.

[Chef Jim]

Just now, T&C said:

Rev. How loosely can that term be used? Was just funnin with you but really, what does one have to do to get that moniker really. Rev. T&C replying here lol.

 

When I was younger there was a local guy who never was quite right after WWII.  We called him Rev.  Not sure why.  

[T&C]

This "witness" has Got to be from Gibsonton, Florida.... lmao

[Doc]

I'm still sticking with 2nd degree murder.

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

1 hour ago, BillStime said:

Would Floyd have lost consciousness at 8:25 pm and been pronounced dead at 9:25 pm if Chauvin did not kneel on his neck?

That’s my worry, it only takes one juror to think ‘maybe’ and it will be instant anarchy in every city across the country. 
 

I did learn today that he attempted a plea that would’ve resulted in a 10 year sentence. It was the first time I’d heard that. 

[US Egg]

Unlike Trump, Joe and Kamala will be able to calm and soothe those distressed with the outcome.

[T&C]

Heavy drugs involved in this case... with a record of it.  This case will last a long time imo.

[All_Pro_Bills]

8 minutes ago, I am the egg man said:

Unlike Trump, Joe and Kamala will be able to calm and soothe those distressed with the outcome.

I'm not certain about your conclusion that riots, looting, property destruction, and attacks on people in the streets won't take place because the Biden/Harris team is going to keep a lid on any blowback of a "not guilty" or least serious charge conviction.  But they will somehow contort the outcome to blame Trump.  

[Doc]

2 hours ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

I'm not certain about your conclusion that riots, looting, property destruction, and attacks on people in the streets won't take place because the Biden/Harris team is going to keep a lid on any blowback of a "not guilty" or least serious charge conviction.  But they will somehow contort the outcome to blame Trump.  

 

I'm sure he was being facetious.  If they come back with a lesser charge than murder, cities will burn, period.  And I doubt even they will have the balls to pin it on Trump. 

[BillStime]

16 hours ago, Chef Jim said:

 

Police protocol and training might help the defense as well. Hard to say. 

 

Would Floyd have lost consciousness at 8:25pm and been pronounced dead at 9:25pm had he not resisted and if the knee to neck move was not part of the department's protocol  Keep in mind I am NOT condoning the move at all.  I'm looking at it from the juror's box. 

Correct Jim - officers are allowed to use deadly force only when a suspect presents an imminent danger. 

 

There is no reason a cop, with back up, needs to kneel on someones neck for over 9 minutes.

This guy was cuffed.

 

He was not a threat.

 

He was murdered.

[Tiberius]

Reading about this yesterday made me lean towards an acquittal, but after watching some scenes of the case on tv I'm leaning towards conviction. 

 

If I was Chauvin I would have gotten a person of color to defend me. A white male up there arguing all this stuff about how the victim was really the problem does not look good. If he had a women doing that, it would look better and be more impactful with the jury, IMO. If he had a black women defending him it would take the racist image off of him, I think. If you are on trial for your life you play every angle. 

 

I'll respond to any stupid replays that might be made off my comments. Well, not to all comments  

[SoCal Deek]

39 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

Reading about this yesterday made me lean towards an acquittal, but after watching some scenes of the case on tv I'm leaning towards conviction. 

 

If I was Chauvin I would have gotten a person of color to defend me. A white male up there arguing all this stuff about how the victim was really the problem does not look good. If he had a women doing that, it would look better and be more impactful with the jury, IMO. If he had a black women defending him it would take the racist image off of him, I think. If you are on trial for your life you play every angle. 

 

I'll respond to any stupid replays that might be made off my comments. Well, not to all comments  

You’re right Tibs. You shouldn’t be, but you are. If justice is truly blind it wouldn’t matter what color anyone’s skin is in that courtroom...but sadly it probably does. 

[wnyguy]

49 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

Reading about this yesterday made me lean towards an acquittal, but after watching some scenes of the case on tv I'm leaning towards conviction. 

 

If I was Chauvin I would have gotten a person of color to defend me. A white male up there arguing all this stuff about how the victim was really the problem does not look good. If he had a women doing that, it would look better and be more impactful with the jury, IMO. If he had a black women defending him it would take the racist image off of him, I think. If you are on trial for your life you play every angle. 

 

I'll respond to any stupid replays that might be made off my comments. Well, not to all comments  

You know I might agree with you on this one Tibs, once Floydd became unresponsive and immobile Chauvin should have stopped kneeling on his head. I do not believe his intent was to kill the guy but his actions did have a direct result in Floydds death. It will be interesting to see what happens here.

[SoCal Deek]

6 minutes ago, wnyguy said:

You know I might agree with you on this one Tibs, once Floydd became unresponsive and immobile Chauvin should have stopped kneeling on his head. I do not believe his intent was to kill the guy but his actions did have a direct result in Floydds death. It will be interesting to see what happens here.

If his intentions weren’t to kill the guy than the officer is an idiot. You only get one chance to kill someone. Once they’re dead, they ain’t coming back. If you’ve got a bystander standing there yelling at you for minutes on end that the man is non responsive and you do nothing then what the heck ARE you doing? I have zero sympathy for the officer. But there’s also nothing systemic about this incident. At least not that I’ve seen anyway.

Edited March 30, 2021 by SoCal Deek

[wnyguy]

4 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

If his intentions weren’t to kill the guy than the officer is an idiot. You only get one chance to kill someone. Once they’re dead, they ain’t coming back. If you’ve got a bystander standing there yelling at you for minutes on end that the man is non responsive and you do nothing then what the heck ARE you doing? I have zero sympathy for the officer. But there’s also nothing systemic about this incident. At least not that I’ve seen anyway.

Except this officer has a history of doing this same technique without anyone dead.

[Chef Jim]

1 hour ago, BillStime said:

Correct Jim - officers are allowed to use deadly force only when a suspect presents an imminent danger. 

 

There is no reason a cop, with back up, needs to kneel on someones neck for over 9 minutes.

This guy was cuffed.

 

He was not a threat.

 

He was murdered.

Why did he murder him?   Let’s use you brain and reason a little bit.  What do you think was going on inside his mind that said “I’m going to kill this man!”  

[BillStime]

Just now, Chef Jim said:

Why did he murder him?   Let’s use you brain and reason a little bit.  What do you think was going on inside his mind that said “I’m going to kill this man!”  

 

I'm not a psychologist but it does not matter:

 

9+ minutes - face down - in cuffs - surrounded by officers - no matter what this guy did leading up to his death - he was not in a position to cause harm on anyone.