Who thinks teaching is a hard job?

[Orlando Tim]

8 minutes ago, The Governor said:

NJ announced no virtual option. NY will follow. 
 

it’s possible that some private schools could remain virtual.

 

I’d be more afraid of what non-union states will do.

I looked it up and this first article that popped- I am curious what exactly will be a recognized exemption.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nj.com/coronavirus/2021/03/nj-students-teachers-with-health-issues-will-have-virtual-school-option-this-fall-murphy-clarifies.html%3foutputType=amp

[Governor]

15 minutes ago, Buffalo Timmy said:

I looked it up and this first article that popped- I am curious what exactly will be a recognized exemption.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nj.com/coronavirus/2021/03/nj-students-teachers-with-health-issues-will-have-virtual-school-option-this-fall-murphy-clarifies.html%3foutputType=amp

When children will be vaccinated is still an unknown so my guess is that they’re leaving the door open in case something happens.

 

I do think that kids likely lost all of their fun snow days moving forward. That kinda sucks if you’re a kid that likes to go sledding.

[Big Blitz]

49 minutes ago, The Governor said:

It isn’t actually happening. I’ve already heard states announce that there won’t be a virtual option for next year. I’m not sure if NY did yet but these are just scare tactics.

 

That poster is correct about kids not returning to class though. The worst part is that it’s kids of parents who complained about going virtual in the first place that haven’t gone back yet. Schools are open and the kids aren’t going.

 

 

Full virtual options all grades in Virginia for 2021 and beyond.  

[Big Blitz]

RIP.

 

It's a net positive for humanity. 

 

The NEA nowhere to be found because their leadership and the extreme activists within the Union thinks this is awesome! 

 

Because no classroom management!

 

Guess what else it means....the most historic cuts and layoffs in the history of public education in the next 10 years.  

 

And those extremists that dominate the Union don't care.  They're 45 - 55 anyway on their way out the door by then on 6 figure pension at the beach.  

 

 

 

Online Schools Are Here to Stay, Even After the Pandemic

 

 

Some families have come to prefer stand-alone virtual schools and districts are rushing to accommodate them — though questions about remote learning persist.

 

The districts are racing to set up full-fledged online schools even as concerns mount that remote learning has taken a substantial toll on many children’s academic progress and emotional health. Parents and lawmakers, alarmed by the situation, have urged schools to reopen. Last month, Gov. Phil Murphy, a Democrat, went so far as to say there should be no remote learning option for children in New Jersey this fall.

 

Even so, at least several hundred of the nation’s 13,000 school districts have established virtual schools this academic year, with an eye to operating them for years to come, education researchers said. Unlike many makeshift pandemic school programs, these stand-alone virtual schools have their own teachers, who work only with remote students and use curriculums designed for online learning.

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/11/technology/remote-learning-online-school.html

 

 

Warning you now College kids in Education careers.  

 

Gtfo.  

[Governor]

7 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

 

 

Full virtual options all grades in Virginia for 2021 and beyond.  

Isn’t the South lovely?

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

22 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

 

 

Full virtual options all grades in Virginia for 2021 and beyond.  

Virginia is losing its collective mind on education. 
 

There is some component of virtual schooling that can be employed to help access. But kids need the unstructured learning of the playground, being present an accountable to others in position of authority. 
 

I just heard some of the parent teacher meetings around iep will stay virtual. That’s probably good. 

[Backintheday544]

15 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

Virginia is losing its collective mind on education. 
 

There is some component of virtual schooling that can be employed to help access. But kids need the unstructured learning of the playground, being present an accountable to others in position of authority. 
 

I just heard some of the parent teacher meetings around iep will stay virtual. That’s probably good. 

Im in VA. My daughters private school has been awesome.

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

1 minute ago, Backintheday544 said:

Im in VA. My daughters private school has been awesome.

I’m glad for your sake they are in private school. I hope your tuition is locked because I expect they are going to get flooded with new applicants. 

[Big Blitz]

50 minutes ago, The Governor said:

Isn’t the South lovely?

 

 

Like I said.

 

If I have no kids; no vested interest in not seeing their childhoods completely ruined by losing the center piece of their social lives at school......this is the greatest development for conservatives in perhaps the history of the Republic.  

 

Indoctrination centers self imploding.

 

This will also put Colleges on the Brink - there literally is going to be near zero need for brick and mortar college in 5 years maybe less.  

 

 

For those wondering why their Republican Governors would be good with this, that's why.  

 

For those wondering why their Democrat governors would be, it's because they are taking orders from the Unions, who are not thinking clearly or only are looking out for themselves  - those with 20 plus years already clocked in.  They don't care.  

[Chef Jim]

17 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

 

 

Like I said.

 

If I have no kids; no vested interest in not seeing their childhoods completely ruined by losing the center piece of their social lives at school......this is the greatest development for conservatives in perhaps the history of the Republic.  

 

Indoctrination centers self imploding.

 

This will also put Colleges on the Brink - there literally is going to be near zero need for brick and mortar college in 5 years maybe less.  

 

 

For those wondering why their Republican Governors would be good with this, that's why.  

 

For those wondering why their Democrat governors would be, it's because they are taking orders from the Unions, who are not thinking clearly or only are looking out for themselves  - those with 20 plus years already clocked in.  They don't care.  

 

Liberals, as usual, have it backwards.  Instead of having me subsidize someone's college education why not work on making college more affordable.  Online college should really become a big thing.  It would become extremely affordable.  The social aspect of college would be lost which is important but it would go a long way in cutting the cost. 

[oldmanfan]

14 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

 

Liberals, as usual, have it backwards.  Instead of having me subsidize someone's college education why not work on making college more affordable.  Online college should really become a big thing.  It would become extremely affordable.  The social aspect of college would be lost which is important but it would go a long way in cutting the cost. 

I agree to a point.  Online classes would be very helpful, but not as practical depending on the course.  I teach physiology, and the lecture component of such a class is doable on line.  The lab is not; labs by their inherent nature are best done by getting your hands in there and doing things.  My younger daughter is a freshman right now, and is going into music therapy.  While some of her classes work well on line, it is very difficult to do her voice and instrument classes in that venue.  Those really require being in person.  

 

I have taught at college and medical/graduate schools for decades now, and would emphasize the social aspects of the learning environment.  I think that, for some kids, the social aspects of college may be as important as the academics.  College gives a kid the opportunity, and the challenge, of developing their own sense of values, their own sense of work ethic, the ability to work together with others and to develop socially so they can function when they get into the working world.  In one of the classes I teach,  I challenge my students to develop the ability to think, not just regurgitate information which is unfortunately what many are taught through high school and earlier college years.  I also demand accountability, which in the era of helicopter parents is sadly lacking in many students. 

 

The affordability is a real issue.  I am an advocate for just putting a realistic number on it and going forward.  Right now a private college is around 30-60 k a year, and half of that gets cut immediately as a "scholarship" if you have halfway decent grades.  Just make it realistic.  

 

[Chef Jim]

1 minute ago, oldmanfan said:

I agree to a point.  Online classes would be very helpful, but not as practical depending on the course.  I teach physiology, and the lecture component of such a class is doable on line.  The lab is not; labs by their inherent nature are best done by getting your hands in there and doing things.  My younger daughter is a freshman right now, and is going into music therapy.  While some of her classes work well on line, it is very difficult to do her voice and instrument classes in that venue.  Those really require being in person.  

 

I have taught at college and medical/graduate schools for decades now, and would emphasize the social aspects of the learning environment.  I think that, for some kids, the social aspects of college may be as important as the academics.  College gives a kid the opportunity, and the challenge, of developing their own sense of values, their own sense of work ethic, the ability to work together with others and to develop socially so they can function when they get into the working world.  In one of the classes I teach,  I challenge my students to develop the ability to think, not just regurgitate information which is unfortunately what many are taught through high school and earlier college years.  I also demand accountability, which in the era of helicopter parents is sadly lacking in many students. 

 

The affordability is a real issue.  I am an advocate for just putting a realistic number on it and going forward.  Right now a private college is around 30-60 k a year, and half of that gets cut immediately as a "scholarship" if you have halfway decent grades.  Just make it realistic.  

 

 

Points taken. 

 

What would you consider realistic?  

 

Do you agree or disagree with taxpayer funded college education?  

[oldmanfan]

21 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

 

Points taken. 

 

What would you consider realistic?  

 

Do you agree or disagree with taxpayer funded college education?  

Realistic depends on public vs. private school.  I think state universities in general are OK; I got both my degrees from UB and got a solid education.  And the work force and the research you get from that investment as a state seems reasonable.  For a student’s cost, I would say maybe 5 k a year for a state school , maybe  20-25 k max for private.  Those are off the top my head and I’d need to see detailed budgets. In general at a research university I’d have research professors who have to generate their income through grants and teaching faculty that are funded by the school.  And probably have fewer faculty overall.

Edited April 26, 2021 by oldmanfan

[Chef Jim]

1 hour ago, oldmanfan said:

Realistic depends on public vs. private school.  I think state universities in general are OK; I got both my degrees from UB and got a solid education.  And the work force and the research you get from that investment as a state seems reasonable.  For a student’s cost, I would say maybe 5 k a year for a state school , maybe  20-25 k max for private.  Those are off the top my head and I’d need to see detailed budgets. In general at a research university I’d have research professors who have to generate their income through grants and teaching faculty that are funded by the school.  And probably have fewer faculty overall.

 

Thank you.  However you missed my second question. 

[oldmanfan]

12 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

 

Thank you.  However you missed my second question. 

Fourth sentence.

[Chef Jim]

1 minute ago, oldmanfan said:

Fourth sentence.

 

No, my question regarding taxpayer funded college education.  

[oldmanfan]

2 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

 

No, my question regarding taxpayer funded college education.  

What are you asking?  Yes, I think taxpayer funded public education is OK.  I said that.  Are you asking how much they, meaning state budgets i.e. taxpayer funds, should pay?  I'd go 50:50 with the student as a starting point.

[Chef Jim]

2 hours ago, oldmanfan said:

What are you asking?  Yes, I think taxpayer funded public education is OK.  I said that.  Are you asking how much they, meaning state budgets i.e. taxpayer funds, should pay?  I'd go 50:50 with the student as a starting point.

 

Your original response was convoluted.   Thank you for clarifying.  

 

Why should I be required to fund someone else's voluntary choice to get a degree?  

[SoCal Deek]

First, the largest University in the nation is the University of Phoenix. It has no buildings. 
 

Second, the problem with funding college is that it only serves to move the goal posts. There’s no magic to getting a degree. This isn’t the Wizard of Oz! As soon as everyone has a cheap college diploma then employers will be asking for a masters degree, and the cycle continues. Students are in competition with EACH OTHER for a limited number of jobs. Magically creating college graduates doesn’t magically create more jobs.

[Chef Jim]

2 hours ago, SoCal Deek said:

First, the largest University in the nation is the University of Phoenix. It has no buildings. 
 

Second, the problem with funding college is that it only serves to move the goal posts. There’s no magic to getting a degree. This isn’t the Wizard of Oz! As soon as everyone has a cheap college diploma then employers will be asking for a masters degree, and the cycle continues. Students are in competition with EACH OTHER for a limited number of jobs. Magically creating college graduates doesn’t magically create more jobs.

I think a personality test and a peek at someone’s social media (LinkedIn) is far more valuable than any degree ever would be. 

[BillStime]

Appalling

 

 

[Orlando Tim]

16 hours ago, BillStime said:

Appalling

 

 

I can not imagine what this principal was thinking, it is bashed into our heads that we do not physically touch a child, even a teen, unless it is a safety issue. I understand she is probably at the end of her rope with this year but this is so far over the line I am wondering if she will have criminal charges 

[B-Man]

 

 

You would think that she could see how awful this tweet sounds to parents.

 

 

Look at you pretending that you defend teachers and not layers of union bureaucracy.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Orlando Tim]

36 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

 

You would think that she could see how awful this tweet sounds to parents.

 

 

Look at you pretending that you defend teachers and not layers of union bureaucracy.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I actually recieved an email from Randi today despite not being part of the union. If they would simply stop giving so much money to political candidates I would join, but she often speaks as if a $2000 raise will offset an increase in taxes of $3000. At my school there are a lot of good teachers who are part of the union but I can say without question that all of the bad ones are part of the union.

[Governor]

Many of the parents didn’t know teachers have been working this entire time.

 

The PTA at a school here has a “Welcome back Teachers” banner in the hallway and the teachers have been there the entire time. They never left.

 

 

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

51 minutes ago, Buffalo Timmy said:

I actually recieved an email from Randi today despite not being part of the union. If they would simply stop giving so much money to political candidates I would join, but she often speaks as if a $2000 raise will offset an increase in taxes of $3000. At my school there are a lot of good teachers who are part of the union but I can say without question that all of the bad ones are part of the union.

 

Interesting..  there is a corruption cycle where the unions donate to politicians and then politicians pass packages that pay money to unions. So think of it as an investment 😉 

[B-Man]

6 minutes ago, The Governor said:

Many of the parents didn’t know teachers have been working this entire time.

 

The PTA at a school here has a “Welcome back Teachers” banner in the hallway and the teachers have been there the entire time. They never left.

 

 

 

 

I think that the parents knew if their children were receiving instruction from school teachers or not.

 

Or you could provide a link for that absurd claim.

 

 

[Governor]

10 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

 

I think that the parents knew if their children were receiving instruction from school teachers or not.

 

Or you could provide a link for that absurd claim.

 

 

No. They thought they were home this entire time when they were in the building teaching virtual/hybrid. They were only home on snow days or when students tested positive and they were forced to quarantine. Teachers were “in the building” almost the entire time.

Edited May 4, 2021 by The Governor

[B-Man]

11 minutes ago, The Governor said:

No. They thought they were home this entire time when they were in the building teaching virtual/hybrid. They were only home on snow days or when students tested positive and they were forced to quarantine. Teachers were “in the building” almost the entire time.

 

No one thought that.

 

 

Link ?

 

 

 

[Governor]

6 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

No one thought that.

 

 

Link ?

 

 

 

Should I drive to the school and take a picture of the banner? Why would there be a link for something like that? I don’t imagine it’s a national news story.

 

Perhaps you could “research” it for me?

[DasNootz]

Teaching is a job I know I couldn't do - I simply don't have the patience for it.  Knowing that, I chose not to go into the field.  

 

As an outsider though, it seems like teachers as a whole spend a lot of time complaining about their job and/or looking for praise because they chose their profession.  Maybe colleges don't do  a good enough job preparing students for the profession, but you should have a general idea of the income potential, student debt, demands on your schedule, emotional/psychological toll, etc before you start full time.  The reality is that most jobs now aren't 9-5, 40 hours per week.  Nearly every professional I know takes their work home, works early/late/weekends too. As a society we're all cramming to get more done in less time so that we can buy things we don't need, with money we don't have, to impress people we don't like (stolen from somewhere).   I write this knowing it will be taken as a flaming insult by some, but it's simply my worldly observation.

Edited May 5, 2021 by DasNootz

[Chef Jim]

59 minutes ago, DasNootz said:

Teaching is a job I know I couldn't do - I simply don't have the patience for it.  Knowing that, I chose not to go into the field.  

 

As an outsider though, it seems like teachers as a whole spend a lot of time complaining about their job and/or looking for praise because they chose their profession.  Maybe colleges don't do  a good enough job preparing students for the profession, but you should have a general idea of the income potential, student debt, demands on your schedule, emotional/psychological toll, etc before you start full time.  The reality is that most jobs now aren't 9-5, 40 hours per week.  Nearly every professional I know takes their work home, works early/late/weekends too. As a society we're all cramming to get more done in less time so that we can buy things we don't need, with money we don't have to, to impress people we don't like (stolen from somewhere).   I write this knowing it will be taken as a flaming insult by some, but it's simply my worldly observation.

 

I went to culinary school.  I can't tell you the number of instructors who asked us "why are you in this profession?  You will be working crazy long hours, under incredible stress in some of the worst working conditions imaginable!"  They were right however I enjoyed it for most of my 20 years in the kitchens after I graduated.  I rarely complained (well my wife may disagree) and when I no longer loved it I took it upon my self to make a major career change.  I agree with you. Teaching is a noble profession that seems to employ people that, for whatever reason, appear to have no idea what they were getting in to. 

[B-Man]

On 5/2/2021 at 8:46 PM, BillStime said:

Appalling

 

 

 

 

It is still appalling, and I disagree with it.

 

but  as Paul Harvey was famous for saying, now it’s time “For The Rest of the Story.”

 

The prosecuting attorney for Hendry County announced on Friday that the principal will not face any criminal charges for her conduct. Corporal punishment is permissible under the law in Florida, although it is prohibited by the school district where the principal worked.

 

But the reason the swats across the backside are considered by the prosecutor as having been corporal punishment and not “child abuse” is…  because the girl’s mother asked the principal to discipline the child on the mother’s behalf.

 

Apparently, the girl had broken a computer screen at school, and the principal called the mother to discuss having the mother pay something towards the cost of repair.

 

The mother told the principal that the little girl had been breaking things at home as well, but when the mother threatened to punish the girl for her actions, the six-year-old would threaten to “DCF” her — a reference to the Florida Department of Children and Families. The mother told the Principal she had not been able to discipline the girl for her misbehavior out of fear she would be turned in to the police, so she asked if the Principal would discipline the girl on her behalf.

 

The Principal agreed to do so, but only if the mother was present for the event.

 

Something not noticed in the video posted on the internet — which may have been doctored in some small way — is that the mother tells the principal “Thank You” when the episode ended. From the totality of evidence that was gathered, the prosecutor concluded that the mother’s failure to attempt to intervene was not “acquiescence” on her part, but rather was an expression of actual consent.

 

Police who interviewed the child said her version was consistent with the conclusion that the mother had asked the Principal to act on her behalf.

 

 

 

 

 

 

https://redstate.com/shipwreckedcrew/2021/05/08/follow-up-on-the-florida-principal-who-paddled-the-six-year-old-girl-your-mommy-made-me-do-it-n376535

[BillStime]

5 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

 

It is still appalling, and I disagree with it.

 

but  as Paul Harvey was famous for saying, now it’s time “For The Rest of the Story.”

 

The prosecuting attorney for Hendry County announced on Friday that the principal will not face any criminal charges for her conduct. Corporal punishment is permissible under the law in Florida, although it is prohibited by the school district where the principal worked.

 

But the reason the swats across the backside are considered by the prosecutor as having been corporal punishment and not “child abuse” is…  because the girl’s mother asked the principal to discipline the child on the mother’s behalf.

 

Apparently, the girl had broken a computer screen at school, and the principal called the mother to discuss having the mother pay something towards the cost of repair.

 

The mother told the principal that the little girl had been breaking things at home as well, but when the mother threatened to punish the girl for her actions, the six-year-old would threaten to “DCF” her — a reference to the Florida Department of Children and Families. The mother told the Principal she had not been able to discipline the girl for her misbehavior out of fear she would be turned in to the police, so she asked if the Principal would discipline the girl on her behalf.

 

The Principal agreed to do so, but only if the mother was present for the event.

 

Something not noticed in the video posted on the internet — which may have been doctored in some small way — is that the mother tells the principal “Thank You” when the episode ended. From the totality of evidence that was gathered, the prosecutor concluded that the mother’s failure to attempt to intervene was not “acquiescence” on her part, but rather was an expression of actual consent.

 

Police who interviewed the child said her version was consistent with the conclusion that the mother had asked the Principal to act on her behalf.

 

 

 

 

 

 

https://redstate.com/shipwreckedcrew/2021/05/08/follow-up-on-the-florida-principal-who-paddled-the-six-year-old-girl-your-mommy-made-me-do-it-n376535

 

Administrators who acquiesce to a parent’s request to inflict physical pain as a disciplinary action instead of working with the mother to find an alternate solutions is in the wrong line of work.

 

 

 

[Orlando Tim]

10 hours ago, B-Man said:

 

 

It is still appalling, and I disagree with it.

 

but  as Paul Harvey was famous for saying, now it’s time “For The Rest of the Story.”

 

The prosecuting attorney for Hendry County announced on Friday that the principal will not face any criminal charges for her conduct. Corporal punishment is permissible under the law in Florida, although it is prohibited by the school district where the principal worked.

 

But the reason the swats across the backside are considered by the prosecutor as having been corporal punishment and not “child abuse” is…  because the girl’s mother asked the principal to discipline the child on the mother’s behalf.

 

Apparently, the girl had broken a computer screen at school, and the principal called the mother to discuss having the mother pay something towards the cost of repair.

 

The mother told the principal that the little girl had been breaking things at home as well, but when the mother threatened to punish the girl for her actions, the six-year-old would threaten to “DCF” her — a reference to the Florida Department of Children and Families. The mother told the Principal she had not been able to discipline the girl for her misbehavior out of fear she would be turned in to the police, so she asked if the Principal would discipline the girl on her behalf.

 

The Principal agreed to do so, but only if the mother was present for the event.

 

Something not noticed in the video posted on the internet — which may have been doctored in some small way — is that the mother tells the principal “Thank You” when the episode ended. From the totality of evidence that was gathered, the prosecutor concluded that the mother’s failure to attempt to intervene was not “acquiescence” on her part, but rather was an expression of actual consent.

 

Police who interviewed the child said her version was consistent with the conclusion that the mother had asked the Principal to act on her behalf.

 

 

 

 

 

 

https://redstate.com/shipwreckedcrew/2021/05/08/follow-up-on-the-florida-principal-who-paddled-the-six-year-old-girl-your-mommy-made-me-do-it-n376535

The principal still messed up but this kind of parenting is not surprising. I once had a mother email me to discuss with her daughters boyfriend that a "gentleman does not go into a young girls bedroom" because the mom did not want to tell her daughter no because their is only the one reason for saying no. I declined to get involved.

 

[Chef Jim]

21 hours ago, BillStime said:

 

Administrators who acquiesce to a parent’s request to inflict physical pain as a disciplinary action instead of working with the mother to find an alternate solutions is in the wrong line of work.

 

 

 

 

But not a criminal case wouldn't you agree?

[BillStime]

1 hour ago, Chef Jim said:

 

But not a criminal case wouldn't you agree?

Criminal? No. Fired? Yes.

[Sundancer]

Good to see that the Hate Industrial Complex is still pumping out widgets the public is buying!

[BillStime]

 

[GaryPinC]

On 5/9/2021 at 9:39 PM, BillStime said:

 

I have a bachelor's in biochemistry and work in cardiac research.  I went this morning and looked at the teacher's salary for our school district of two teachers close to my age also with bachelor degrees.  They are making mid to upper 80's and this data is two years old.  That is significantly more than I make.  And only working 9 months a year.  25% less working days.

 

Not shedding a tear for their situation and they don't complain about it.  I wonder if this study done by a pro-union think tank looks at weekly wages after retirement and union dues are pulled out?   Because those lower take home wages significantly.