Pro Day Results Tracker - Measurements and Athletic Testing

[Solomon Grundy]

2 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

With the 30th pick in the 2021 NFL DRAFT, the Buffalo Bills select...

[YoloinOhio]

3 hours ago, Solomon Grundy said:

With the 30th pick in the 2021 NFL DRAFT, the Buffalo Bills select...

I have a feeling he’s going 31 to the chiefs 

Edited April 1, 2021 by YoloinOhio

[glazeduck]

 

Big Jefferson fan here. Numbers were fine but certainly not eye popping. I think his film is more special than his testing.

Rashed's too small to play DE for us, I think, but I've seen him live a couple times and there's a lot to like. Won't fall late enough for a YOLO pick to try him at the Lorax spot, however, so we'll probably have to watch him on another roster. Wright is enormous for a CB and clearly can scoot pretty good. May or may not even get drafted, but could be an interesting developmental guy, our staff are certainly not shy about liking big DBs...

[NewEra]

1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said:

I have a feeling he’s going 31 to the chiefs 

That would suck.  I’m thinking the steelers may take him

[Motorin']

1 hour ago, glazeduck said:

 

Big Jefferson fan here. Numbers were fine but certainly not eye popping. I think his film is more special than his testing.

Rashed's too small to play DE for us, I think, but I've seen him live a couple times and there's a lot to like. Won't fall late enough for a YOLO pick to try him at the Lorax spot, however, so we'll probably have to watch him on another roster. Wright is enormous for a CB and clearly can scoot pretty good. May or may not even get drafted, but could be an interesting developmental guy, our staff are certainly not shy about liking big DBs...

 

Rashed is basically the same size as Jerry Hughes and Mario Addison. 

[glazeduck]

47 minutes ago, Motorin' said:

 

Rashed is basically the same size as Jerry Hughes and Mario Addison. 

Both of whom struggled early in their careers. If we were JUST looking for a pass rusher, Rashed would be fine, but in my eyes you're wanting a guy to come in as a pass rusher now but can develop into a complete DE in the somewhat immediate future. Very likely, that player will have to be at least somewhat bigger than Rashed.

Edited April 2, 2021 by glazeduck

[BuffaloRebound]

Impressive athlete at that size and with cover skills.  

[GunnerBill]

On 4/1/2021 at 8:05 PM, BuffaloRebound said:

Impressive.  That boy made himself some money today.  

 

I am also told though that his agent has been ringing around teams telling them "he can play left tackle too". The right tackle only thing is real. If teams believe that he can only play on the right (and I do) he is going to go later than people expect.

[Motorin']

On 3/31/2021 at 10:46 AM, H2o said:

Kadarius Toney (Florida) ran a 4.41 40yd dash @ 5'11" and 190lbs

 

He's just a hair under 6'. He's basically the same size as Diggs. I think he looks like he's 5' 9" cause he plays with a lot of bend.

[The Jokeman]

On 3/30/2021 at 2:55 PM, BuffaloRebound said:

Didn’t realize Fields is that big.  6’3” 227lbs and runs a 4.4.  Creative OC’s like Daboll can find ways to win with an athlete like that until Fields develops as a passer.  

Kyle Shanny was OC of Washington when RG III was the talk of the league. I think SF traded up for Fields.

2 hours ago, Motorin' said:

 

He's just a hair under 6'. He's basically the same size as Diggs. I think he looks like he's 5' 9" cause he plays with a lot of bend.

Toney reminds me of Percy Harvin with his moves.

Edited April 2, 2021 by The Jokeman

[Solomon Grundy]

6 hours ago, BuffaloRebound said:

Impressive athlete at that size and with cover skills.  

There's no hope now that he'll last til 30

[BADOLBILZ]

 

WR Jacob Harris had an attention grabbing performance at UCF pro day:

 

6'5"

219

81 1/4" span

40.5" vert

15 reps

11'1" broad 

4.39 40

4.28 shuttle

6.51 3 cone

 

...........and still probably goes undrafted.

 

Quite a promising WR class this year.

 

 

[dave mcbride]

On 4/2/2021 at 11:28 PM, BADOLBILZ said:

 

WR Jacob Harris had an attention grabbing performance at UCF pro day:

 

6'5"

219

81 1/4" span

40.5" vert

15 reps

11'1" broad 

4.39 40

4.28 shuttle

6.51 3 cone

 

...........and still probably goes undrafted.

 

Quite a promising WR class this year.

 

 

Why do you think he goes undrafted? 

[GunnerBill]

On 4/3/2021 at 4:28 AM, BADOLBILZ said:

 

WR Jacob Harris had an attention grabbing performance at UCF pro day:

 

6'5"

219

81 1/4" span

40.5" vert

15 reps

11'1" broad 

4.39 40

4.28 shuttle

6.51 3 cone

 

...........and still probably goes undrafted.

 

Quite a promising WR class this year.

 

I think it less stellar at the top than last year's in terms of probably fewer top 50 guys but I think it might be even deeper than last year's into day 3. 

[BADOLBILZ]

1 hour ago, dave mcbride said:

Why do you think he goes undrafted? 

 

As @GunnerBill said........it's just a very deep draft. 

 

[BADOLBILZ]

1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I think it less stellar at the top than last year's in terms of probably fewer top 50 guys but I think it might be even deeper than last year's into day 3. 

 

 

Yeah I actually think that late first thru the second round is a place where a lot of mistakes could be made.........there are some guys in this draft that should absolutely go in the first..........but then there is a drop-off where I don't see much difference in risk/reward/value between the next group and guys that could end up going on day 3.

 

I'm not a fan of the gadget guys early..........I know a lot of fans are.........but just because we want a Tyreek Hill doesn't mean the Bills can just go get theirs.    If you believe the way mock drafts are being set up round 2 is full of them.    The hype is out of control.   Dri Archer ran a 4.26 at the combine and had a much more productive college career than Rondale Moore.......with the Tyreek-mania nowadays..........he would probably be rationalized as a Bills target at 30 if he was in this draft.

 

Will be interesting to see if the NFL teams have a more realistic outlook on these undersized guys than the fans do.       

[GunnerBill]

18 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Yeah I actually think that late first thru the second round is a place where a lot of mistakes could be made.........there are some guys in this draft that should absolutely go in the first..........but then there is a drop-off where I don't see much difference in risk/reward/value between the next group and guys that could end up going on day 3.

 

I'm not a fan of the gadget guys early..........I know a lot of fans are.........but just because we want a Tyreek Hill doesn't mean the Bills can just go get theirs.    If you believe the way mock drafts are being set up round 2 is full of them.    The hype is out of control.   Dri Archer ran a 4.26 at the combine and had a much more productive college career than Rondale Moore.......with the Tyreek-mania nowadays..........he would probably be rationalized as a Bills target at 30 if he was in this draft.

 

Will be interesting to see if the NFL teams have a more realistic outlook on these undersized guys than the fans do.       

 

So I suspect based on previous conversations I am slightly higher than you on Toney. I have three round 1 grades at receiver - the three obvious ones - and then I have a group of 3 guys I have high seconds on that I could rationalise at the end of round 1 - Toney, Dyami and Marshall. Then I have the drop off to the group with the two Moores and with Bateman who I do like but I just see a bit of a limited ceiling for. 

 

The two Moores will be very interesting case studies. Last year we saw the Eagles reach for Jalon Reagor in round 1 as an undersized speed guy. It didn't exactly work out so does that mean this time around teams stay a little more patient? 

[BADOLBILZ]

13 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

So I suspect based on previous conversations I am slightly higher than you on Toney. I have three round 1 grades at receiver - the three obvious ones - and then I have a group of 3 guys I have high seconds on that I could rationalise at the end of round 1 - Toney, Dyami and Marshall. Then I have the drop off to the group with the two Moores and with Bateman who I do like but I just see a bit of a limited ceiling for. 

 

The two Moores will be very interesting case studies. Last year we saw the Eagles reach for Jalon Reagor in round 1 as an undersized speed guy. It didn't exactly work out so does that mean this time around teams stay a little more patient? 

 

 

Yeah I am not sold on Toney as becoming a WR1 so I wouldn't go round 1 on him.    I think he plays 4.5 speed on the field and he's so raw as a WR that it squares up as a likely disappointing pick at 30.

 

Not Dyami Brown either.........though in the 2015-2017 drafts yes he'd be a top 30 player because of the positional value and lack of quality at the position.   I think his ceiling is below that of an Emmanuel Sanders........and with such an influx of young talent into the league veteran talents like Sanders are going to be available for reasonable rates in UFA for the next several years and I want my 1st round pick to be a potential $20M guy.

 

Marshall I like at #30 because he could develop into a WR1 guy.........coming into the season he was the guy I was hoping the Bills could end up with......and he was terrific when he played.......but I don't love it as much now........I don't think I would pass on Eichenberg or Rousseau for him in a draft with so much talent at WR.          

[GunnerBill]

47 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Yeah I am not sold on Toney as becoming a WR1 so I wouldn't go round 1 on him.    I think he plays 4.5 speed on the field and he's so raw as a WR that it squares up as a likely disappointing pick at 30.

 

Not Dyami Brown either.........though in the 2015-2017 drafts yes he'd be a top 30 player because of the positional value and lack of quality at the position.   I think his ceiling is below that of an Emmanuel Sanders........and with such an influx of young talent into the league veteran talents like Sanders are going to be available for reasonable rates in UFA for the next several years and I want my 1st round pick to be a potential $20M guy.

 

Marshall I like at #30 because he could develop into a WR1 guy.........coming into the season he was the guy I was hoping the Bills could end up with......and he was terrific when he played.......but I don't love it as much now........I don't think I would pass on Eichenberg or Rousseau for him in a draft with so much talent at WR.          

 

I like Dyami and Toney more. I think Dyami's ceiling is Stef Diggs. Toney I do get the "can he be a #1?" point but I think he is elusive and I think he is fast enough. He is quite scheme specific though. Not entirely sold on him as Bills fit. 

[BADOLBILZ]

31 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I like Dyami and Toney more. I think Dyami's ceiling is Stef Diggs. Toney I do get the "can he be a #1?" point but I think he is elusive and I think he is fast enough. He is quite scheme specific though. Not entirely sold on him as Bills fit. 

 

 

I actually like Khafre Brown more than his big bro Dyami.    Just a bit faster version who will probably be Howell's WR1 next year and a RS soph so he could be in next years draft.    Which is kinda' my thing about taking Dyami in round 1..........there are going to be a lot of "good" mid-sized WR's.........the pipeline on those doesn't appear to be drying up.   I like Dyami but don't really see the Diggs comp..............Diggs was a monster recruit who was dominant the minute he set foot on campus.......he just went to a bad team.    

[GunnerBill]

41 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

I actually like Khafre Brown more than his big bro Dyami.    Just a bit faster version who will probably be Howell's WR1 next year and a RS soph so he could be in next years draft.    Which is kinda' my thing about taking Dyami in round 1..........there are going to be a lot of "good" mid-sized WR's.........the pipeline on those doesn't appear to be drying up.   I like Dyami but don't really see the Diggs comp..............Diggs was a monster recruit who was dominant the minute he set foot on campus.......he just went to a bad team.    

 

I did not realise those two were brothers.... 

 

It is Dyami's release that reminds me of Diggs. A similar career trajectory where he goes somewhere and is a high end #2 / #1B and people wonder about his ability to be the guy before a break out would not surprise me at all. I know you love your big outside guys though. That has always been your type of receiver.

[BADOLBILZ]

15 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I did not realise those two were brothers.... 

 

It is Dyami's release that reminds me of Diggs. A similar career trajectory where he goes somewhere and is a high end #2 / #1B and people wonder about his ability to be the guy before a break out would not surprise me at all. I know you love your big outside guys though. That has always been your type of receiver.

 

Yeah I think you want a WR corps like a basketball team........a variety of talents..........they don't have that now.

 

I am still holding out hope that Chris Mortensen is right and Russell Wilson still might be dealt to Chicago or Carolina before the draft.......and that DK Metcalf then becomes available in trade.        

[Mat68]

Without the combine its hard to compare some of these guys.  Having Toney, both Moores, Autwell and even Durdin on the same field side by side its tough to differentiate. Who rises above the rest.  I feel like they all have about .1 faster 40 and .1 of inch and 10 more pds at their prodays.

[GunnerBill]

7 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

Yeah I think you want a WR corps like a basketball team........a variety of talents..........they don't have that now.

 

I am still holding out hope that Chris Mortensen is right and Russell Wilson still might be dealt to Chicago or Carolina before the draft.......and that DK Metcalf then becomes available in trade.        

 

I also should be clear I am not advocating the Bills taking Dyami or Toney at #30. There are other teams where they make more sense at the end of round 1 than here.... but to go back to your original post I could rationalise those picks in a way I think I'd struggle to with either Moore. I suppose it is similar to at edge I am not advocating any of those guys at #30 but there are some there I could rationalise and some I'd be totally against.

[Mat68]

36 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I also should be clear I am not advocating the Bills taking Dyami or Toney at #30. There are other teams where they make more sense at the end of round 1 than here.... but to go back to your original post I could rationalise those picks in a way I think I'd struggle to with either Moore. I suppose it is similar to at edge I am not advocating any of those guys at #30 but there are some there I could rationalise and some I'd be totally against.

Im not going to complain about Buffalo adding to the offense.  I think DE and Cb are areas of need.  Buffalo is ok at either for 21.  If they add a differance maker to oair with Diggs I think the offense could be even better.  Give Allen more answers and he will find the right guy.

[JaCrispy]

On 4/1/2021 at 4:35 PM, Solomon Grundy said:

With the 30th pick in the 2021 NFL DRAFT, the Buffalo Bills select...

I would be more than ok with this! 👍

On 4/2/2021 at 1:28 PM, BuffaloRebound said:

Impressive athlete at that size and with cover skills.  

Buffalo Bills future MLB...sorry Edmunds...lol

[YoloinOhio]

 

[Solomon Grundy]

46 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

This is my second rounder in all my mock draft scenarios 

[GunnerBill]

2 hours ago, Solomon Grundy said:

This is my second rounder in all my mock draft scenarios 

 

I think that is a tad early. I like him as a developmental right tackle, they could sit him behind Williams and groom him and I think a pass heavy offense that throws it down the field and not behind the line and into the flats all the time (which does describe the Bills) is a scheme fit. I just think round 2 is early. Now if the Bills took him at the end of round 3 I'd think that was a good pick.

[H2o]

2 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I think that is a tad early. I like him as a developmental right tackle, they could sit him behind Williams and groom him and I think a pass heavy offense that throws it down the field and not behind the line and into the flats all the time (which does describe the Bills) is a scheme fit. I just think round 2 is early. Now if the Bills took him at the end of round 3 I'd think that was a good pick.

I believe I remember his name as being one of the ones mentioned as struggling at the Senior Bowl practices this year as well, correct?

[GunnerBill]

3 minutes ago, H2o said:

I believe I remember his name as being one of the ones mentioned as struggling at the Senior Bowl practices this year as well, correct?

 

Don't remember hearing that but could well be right. 

[YoloinOhio]

22 minutes ago, H2o said:

I believe I remember his name as being one of the ones mentioned as struggling at the Senior Bowl practices this year as well, correct?

Yes he did. He’s not ready to start but if he was he would be going in the 1st round. He’s a good pick for the Bills who have their starting OTs but can develop this freak (I say lovingly) behind them as depth and possible future RT. Some of these guys just need decent coaching.

Edited April 5, 2021 by YoloinOhio

[Jauronimo]

On 3/25/2021 at 11:10 AM, YoloinOhio said:

Oweh’s speed has always been his calling card going back to HS. He’s just never been overly productive. 

 

On 3/25/2021 at 11:14 AM, YoloinOhio said:

Not really. Shaka Toney had a better game. 

I watched every Penn State game last year, unfortunately, and Shaka Toney was the only player on that PSU defense who was noticeable for reasons that are good.

 

Speedy Penn State DE with limited production?!?!?  Throw in undersized and I'm sold!

Edited April 5, 2021 by Jauronimo

[Solomon Grundy]

On 4/4/2021 at 12:35 PM, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Yeah I am not sold on Toney as becoming a WR1 so I wouldn't go round 1 on him.    I think he plays 4.5 speed on the field and he's so raw as a WR that it squares up as a likely disappointing pick at 30.

 

Not Dyami Brown either.........though in the 2015-2017 drafts yes he'd be a top 30 player because of the positional value and lack of quality at the position.   I think his ceiling is below that of an Emmanuel Sanders........and with such an influx of young talent into the league veteran talents like Sanders are going to be available for reasonable rates in UFA for the next several years and I want my 1st round pick to be a potential $20M guy.

 

Marshall I like at #30 because he could develop into a WR1 guy.........coming into the season he was the guy I was hoping the Bills could end up with......and he was terrific when he played.......but I don't love it as much now........I don't think I would pass on Eichenberg or Rousseau for him in a draft with so much talent at WR.          

I’m starting to warm up to Marshall too. Put up good numbers at LSU and has that size/speed factor. Here’s a nice breakdown of his game.

 

[NewEra]

59 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said:

I’m starting to warm up to Marshall too. Put up good numbers at LSU and has that size/speed factor. Here’s a nice breakdown of his game.

 

Same. He would make a lot of sense for us.  

[BADOLBILZ]

5 hours ago, NewEra said:

Same. He would make a lot of sense for us.  

 

 

Yeah he's a physically imposing, true deep threat........sub 4.4 speed........big catch radius.......tracks the ball well and can catch the deep ball in stride without leaving his feet.    Also a good blocker and can play X, Y or Z.    I like him better than I liked Jefferson and he turned into the most productive WR from last years class.   If they don't ever find that seam splitting TE they may eventually have to go big slot to make safeties respect the deep middle and Marshall could do that as well.

[glazeduck]

Marshall wouldn't be my #1 choice in a vacuum, but I'm a big fan of mining under-appreciated value and this feels pretty likely to be the case. We've seen underrated LSU WRs pop once they get into the pros, and certainly a guy playing behind Jamar Chase and Justin Jefferson would not be getting as much attention/production. Hard to argue with the measurements and definitely feels like the kind of piece that would add another element to this offense. 

Wouldn't hate it at all!

[GunnerBill]

19 minutes ago, glazeduck said:

Marshall wouldn't be my #1 choice in a vacuum, but I'm a big fan of mining under-appreciated value and this feels pretty likely to be the case. We've seen underrated LSU WRs pop once they get into the pros, and certainly a guy playing behind Jamar Chase and Justin Jefferson would not be getting as much attention/production. Hard to argue with the measurements and definitely feels like the kind of piece that would add another element to this offense. 

Wouldn't hate it at all!

 

Pretty much where I am at on Marshall. Wouldn't be my number 1 choice but I can certainly see the sense in it. 

[YoloinOhio]

 

[NewEra]

25 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

Is he injured?  Why not run?  After the year he had, I thought that he would’ve wanted to show off his athleticism.  Or is he lacking in that regard?  I haven’t watched much tape of him, but I know he was regarded as one of the top (of not the top) Cb in the draft class. 
 

Rd 5 or trade into rd 4?  would you feel ok drafting him in rd 3?  I’m assuming the answer is no, but maybe there is more to his less than stellar season than I’ve heard