H.R. 1 And The Fight For Voting Rights -- We The People!

[reddogblitz]

5 hours ago, daz28 said:

This is my issue as well.  They want to take poor people who owe a fine they can't afford to pay(or many other reasons) to lose their voting rights.  I know many conservatives have been pushing for voter ID for years and I understand their concerns, BUT I'm completely displeased that these same people can't see what the Republicans are trying to do here.  it's clear as day.  If you accuse your neighbor's dog of pooping in your yard(even though he didn't), and you put up a fence the next day, we all know the reasoning for it.  

 

Jimmy Carter supports voter ID or at least did as part of the Federal Election Reform Commission in 2005.

 

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Critics of requiring voters to present a photo ID at the polls say the practice would disenfranchise minority voters, and some even accuse proponents of being motivated by racism. They don’t mention, however, that a 21-member bipartisan Commission on Federal Election Reform, co-chaired by former President Jimmy Carter, advocated just such a policy in 2005.

 

https://www.carolinajournal.com/news-article/federal-election-reform-commission-advocated-voter-photo-id/

Edited March 29, 2021 by reddogblitz

[oldmanfan]

22 minutes ago, reddogblitz said:

 

In Washington State a person can get an ID card (not drivers license) at the Driver License Bureau.

 

https://www.dol.wa.gov/driverslicense/idcards.html

 

Some folks do not have ready access to a driver’s license bureau..  

[reddogblitz]

27 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

Some folks do not have ready access to a driver’s license bureau..  

 

Is it a priority for them to vote or not?  I bet if I told them I'd give them $100 but they had to ride a bus across town to get it they'd do it.

 

It just seems silly to me that you can't do anything in this country without a government ID except vote, which is the most important thing.  

 

How do these people of which you speak do anything?

 

I totally agree with you that everyone should be able to vote without restriction.

 

 

Edited March 29, 2021 by reddogblitz

[Tiberius]

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It was a blunder, a gratuitous act that revealed not only their animus toward democracy but their lack of simple human decency. Among the various measures in the Georgia bill seeking to roll back access to voting, which passed last week, Republicans threw in a provision to ban anyone from giving water or snacks to people standing in line to vote.

Of course, Republicans apparently were not concerned as to why voters — especially in African American neighborhoods — would be forced to wait hours in line to exercise the right to vote. After all, in White neighborhoods, waiting times are considerably less. No, what galled them is that anyone should try to make their wait less torturous by offering them water. That, they could not tolerate.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/03/29/republicans-blunder-voting-rights/

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It was a political error born of Republicans’ own arrogance and inhumanity. And it may cost them greatly in the battle over voting rights. President Biden picked up on it immediately. At his news conference on Thursday, he declared, “What I’m worried about is how un-American this whole initiative is. It’s sick. It’s sick.” The provision he mentioned first was that “you cannot bring water to people standing in line, waiting to vote.”

 

10 hours ago, reddogblitz said:

 

Jimmy Carter supports voter ID or at least did as part of the Federal Election Reform Commission in 2005.

 

 

https://www.carolinajournal.com/news-article/federal-election-reform-commission-advocated-voter-photo-id/

You have to admit that the ban on giving people water standing in line to vote is just an a-hole move, right? 

[WhitewalkerInPhilly]

I'll tell you what: we'll forget about the "give water to people in line" fight if you agree to non-partisan or bipartisan boards to determine districts to prevent gerrymandering.

 

I mean, can anyone possibly come up with a reason for preventing partisan gerrymandering other than "we will lose otherwise"?

 

[All_Pro_Bills]

12 hours ago, oldmanfan said:

Some folks do not have ready access to a driver’s license bureau..  

 

I think we'd all agree that going to the DMV is never convenient or a pleasant experience.   

 

[B-Man]

 

Election Integrity and Its Discontents

 

by David Catron

 

 

Public opinion surveys consistently show that a majority of the electorate favors robust election integrity laws.

 

The most recent Rasmussen poll of likely voters, for example, found that 75 percent — including 69 percent of black voters and 82 percent of other nonwhite voters — favor voter ID laws. Solid majorities of Democratic and Independent voters agree.

 

Yet the Democrats who control Washington and the corporate news media insist that efforts by GOP state legislatures to bolster election integrity laws constitute a sinister conspiracy to suppress the minority vote. This plot will lead to restrictions on voting rights, warns the Washington Post

 

Much more at the link: https://spectator.org/election-integrity-democrats/

[Tiberius]

11 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

Election Integrity and Its Discontents

 

by David Catron

 

 

Public opinion surveys consistently show that a majority of the electorate favors robust election integrity laws.

 

The most recent Rasmussen poll of likely voters, for example, found that 75 percent — including 69 percent of black voters and 82 percent of other nonwhite voters — favor voter ID laws. Solid majorities of Democratic and Independent voters agree.

 

Yet the Democrats who control Washington and the corporate news media insist that efforts by GOP state legislatures to bolster election integrity laws constitute a sinister conspiracy to suppress the minority vote. This plot will lead to restrictions on voting rights, warns the Washington Post

 

Much more at the link: https://spectator.org/election-integrity-democrats/

How much corruption was found in Georgia? Yet they are passing these stupid laws to make it harder to vote. 

[BillStime]

11 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

How much corruption was found in Georgia? Yet they are passing these stupid laws to make it harder to vote. 

 

Other than Trump (‘Fellas, I Need 11,000 Votes’) and Lindsay Graham making calls to Secretary of State ? None.

 

And well... a black man became Senator in Georgia.

[reddogblitz]

3 hours ago, Tiberius said:

You have to admit that the ban on giving people water standing in line to vote is just an a-hole move, right? 

 

Please explain what this has to do with Jimmy Carter supporting voter ID.

Edited March 29, 2021 by reddogblitz

[Tiberius]

5 minutes ago, reddogblitz said:

 

Please explain what this has to do with Jimmy Carter supporting voter ID.

Why? 

[Tiberius]

 

 

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Georgia’s new voting law, which puts barriers in place for absentee and mail-in voting and makes it illegal for third-party groups to hand out food and water to voters in line, has earned widespread criticism from Democrats and voting rights advocates. President Biden called it “Jim Crow in the 21st Century.”

Atlanta-based Delta Air Lines, on the other hand, put out a statement on Friday saying the bill — which was signed into law Thursday night — had “improved considerably during the legislative process” and noted some elements for praise.

That statement from CEO Ed Bastian has prompted a #BoycottDelta trend on social media.

“Do not fly Delta. Do not spend money with Delta. Boycott Delta. Ruin Delta,” political commentator Keith Olbermann wrote in a tweet while quoting the airline’s statement.

[Georgia governor signs into law sweeping voting bill]

A Delta post about flights to Iceland on Friday was inundated during the weekend with responses about the Georgia law. Some said they would be eager to fly to the country — on another airline. Others vowed not to fly anywhere with Delta again.

“Will they even serve me food and water on their flights? Will they treat me like a Georgia voter?” one Twitter user wrote. “Goodbye Delta!!”

Delta did not offer a statement on the boycott pressure.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/travel/2021/03/29/delta-georgia-voting-law-boycott/?itid=hp-more-top-stories

[reddogblitz]

15 hours ago, reddogblitz said:

 

Jimmy Carter supports voter ID or at least did as part of the Federal Election Reform Commission in 2005.

 

 

https://www.carolinajournal.com/news-article/federal-election-reform-commission-advocated-voter-photo-id/

 

1 hour ago, Tiberius said:

Why? 

 

My post was about Jimmy Carter supporting voter ID.  And you responded about bottles of water.  I fail to see the connection.

[Tiberius]

2 minutes ago, reddogblitz said:

 

 

My post was about Jimmy Carter supporting voter ID.  And you responded about bottles of water.  I fail to see the connection.

You focused on one aspect of these laws designed to suppress minority voting and I showed you how clownish other aspects of it were. 

 

Restricting time to vote, ways to vote and methods of voting, all of which minority voters seems to favor. 

 

Oh ya, and it literally makes it a crime to give another human being water while standing in these long lines? 

 

Sad 

[B-Man]

28 minutes ago, reddogblitz said:

 

 

My post was about Jimmy Carter supporting voter ID.  And you responded about bottles of water.  I fail to see the connection.

 

 

He is simply regurgitating the latest false lie, that the bill makes it illegal to give water to people on line.  It is a red herring that the left is using to prevent honest discussion on the many good aspects to the bill.

 

Long lines have often been experienced during Georgia’s elections, especially in majority-Black districts. Food and water would be distributed while people stood in line. The new Georgia law makes that illegal if such assistance occurs within 150 feet of the building where voting is taking place.

 

Here’s the language:

“No person shall solicit votes in any manner or by any means or method, nor shall any person distribute or display any campaign material, nor shall any person give, offer to give, or participate in the giving of any money or gifts, including, but not limited to, food and drink, to an elector, nor shall any person solicit signatures for any petition, nor shall any person, other than election officials discharging their duties, establish or set up any tables or booths on any day in which ballots are being cast: (1) Within 150 feet of the outer edge of any building within which a polling place is established; (2) Within any polling place; or within 25 feet of any voter standing in line to vote at any polling place.”

 

The law added, however, that poll workers were not prohibited from “making available self-service water from an unattended receptacle to an elector waiting in line to vote.”

 

So, basically, food or water is not prohibited at Georgia polls

 

 

 

 

You may bring your own & self serve water stations are specified in the bill.

 

 

 

Edited March 29, 2021 by B-Man

[B-Man]

 

 

Again let’s take a look at what S.B. 202 actually says:

 

No person shall solicit votes [or] distribute or display any campaign material, nor shall any person give, offer to give, or participate in the giving of any money or gifts, including, but not limited to, food and drink, to [a voter] … This Code section shall not be construed to prohibit a poll officer…from making available self-service water from an unattended receptacle to [a voter] waiting in line to vote.

 

The parts in bold are what S.B. 202 added to the statute. The prohibition applies inside polling places, within 150 feet of a polling place, or “within 25 feet of any voter standing in line to vote at any polling place.”

 

 

Now, first of all, notice what is not prohibited here. Voters can still bring bottled water or other food or beverages with them to stand on line to vote, as people often do when waiting at Disney World or to buy concert tickets or in other public places where people stand on long lines. Voters can still also, if they like, order food; the bill doesn’t stop the Domino’s Pizza man or the local hot dog cart or taco truck from doing business.

 

And if you feel impelled to donate food and drink to voters, you can still do that, too; you just have to give it to the poll workers so they can put it out for general use. The president’s claim that “You can’t provide water for people about to vote” is just false. What you cannot do under the new Georgia law is deploy people in National Rifle Association t-shirts and MAGA hats to hand out free Koch-brothers-financed, Federalist Society–branded pizza to voters.

 

 

 

In other words, this entire controversy is not about people dropping dead of hunger and thirst on long voting lines at all. It’s about electioneering around the polling place by people looking to advertise that they represent a cause, and who try to influence voters by giving them free stuff.

 

Across the country today, we already have lots of laws against this sort of thing. There is nothing wrong with Georgia trying to limit it.

 

 

 

 

[Wacka]

When I was 18 I got a friend to take me downtown to  register to vote, get a sherifs card (ID for  you youngsters) and register for the draft.  Did the first tw. oThey stopped the draft  a week later. i didn't drive and had no job yet. Why can't everybody do it?

[reddogblitz]

3 hours ago, B-Man said:

 

 

He is simply regurgitating the latest false lie, that the bill makes it illegal to give water to people on line.  It is a red herring that the left is using to prevent honest discussion on the many good aspects to the bill.

 

Long lines have often been experienced during Georgia’s elections, especially in majority-Black districts. Food and water would be distributed while people stood in line. The new Georgia law makes that illegal if such assistance occurs within 150 feet of the building where voting is taking place.

 

Here’s the language:

“No person shall solicit votes in any manner or by any means or method, nor shall any person distribute or display any campaign material, nor shall any person give, offer to give, or participate in the giving of any money or gifts, including, but not limited to, food and drink, to an elector, nor shall any person solicit signatures for any petition, nor shall any person, other than election officials discharging their duties, establish or set up any tables or booths on any day in which ballots are being cast: (1) Within 150 feet of the outer edge of any building within which a polling place is established; (2) Within any polling place; or within 25 feet of any voter standing in line to vote at any polling place.”

 

The law added, however, that poll workers were not prohibited from “making available self-service water from an unattended receptacle to an elector waiting in line to vote.”

 

So, basically, food or water is not prohibited at Georgia polls

 

 

 

 

You may bring your own & self serve water stations are specified in the bill.

 

 

 

 

Thanks B-Man.  I have been looking for more information on this.  I knew there had to be more to it.

 

Usually when I hear CNN and MSNBC, or FOX etc trumpeting a line like this and the rabid members of Congress tweeting and saying it over and over I know there has to be more to the Story.  Was certainly true for Benghazi was because of an internet video, Covington kids, Michael Brown was shot in the back running away with his hands up, Juicy Smolliet, Saddam has WMDs etc.

Edited March 29, 2021 by reddogblitz

[B-Man]

 

 

Okays boys and girls, watch this gentleman from Georgia, 

 and tell me that he is lying.

 

 

[Chef Jim]

On 3/28/2021 at 7:07 PM, oldmanfan said:

Some folks do not have ready access to a driver’s license bureau..  

 

Who are these some folks you’re referring to? 

31 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

 

Okays boys and girls, watch this gentleman from Georgia, 

 and tell me that he is lying.

 

 

Let me ask all my friends here in the left.  How would you feel if the NRA showed up at polling places and handed out sandwiches and bottled water to people in line?  And please be honest. 

[oldmanfan]

1 hour ago, Chef Jim said:

 

Who are these some folks you’re referring to? 

Let me ask all my friends here in the left.  How would you feel if the NRA showed up at polling places and handed out sandwiches and bottled water to people in line?  And please be honest. 

As to question #1, inner city folks, especially the elderly that have trouble getting around.  Folks living in rural areas.  

 

As to question # 2, if they show up without any identifying info and are there simply to give people food and water, more power to them.  If they show up with their NRA hats and such and as part of their handing out food and water they try to influence people's votes, then no.

 

If this ridiculous thing stands up after being challenged in court, I will load up my car with water and drive down to Georgia to hand out water their next election.  

[Chef Jim]

1 minute ago, oldmanfan said:

As to question #1, inner city folks, especially the elderly that have trouble getting around.  Folks living in rural areas.  

 

As to question # 2, if they show up without any identifying info and are there simply to give people food and water, more power to them.  If they show up with their NRA hats and such and as part of their handing out food and water they try to influence people's votes, then no.

 

If this ridiculous thing stands up after being challenged in court, I will load up my car with water and drive down to Georgia to hand out water their next election.  

 

#1.  Are you saying inner city folks can't figure out how to get around town?  How much does a bus ride cost in ATL?   It's $2.50 for bus fare in ATL with four transfers.  Seniors can be bused to the DMV to get their ID.  My mom was able to get out and get her vaccine at the age of 95.  

 

#2.  So you agree with the GA Voting Bill with regard to this.  Ok that's cool.  

 

What makes this bill ridiculous?  

[oldmanfan]

Just now, Chef Jim said:

 

#1.  Are you saying inner city folks can't figure out how to get around town?  How much does a bus ride cost in ATL?   It's $2.50 for bus fare in ATL with four transfers.  Seniors can be bused to the DMV to get their ID.  My mom was able to get out and get her vaccine at the age of 95.  

 

#2.  So you agree with the GA Voting Bill with regard to this.  Ok that's cool.  

 

What makes this bill ridiculous?  

Not being able to give a thirsty person a bottle of water is absurd.  and yes, inner city folks especially the elderly have trouble getting around.

[Chef Jim]

https://www.wsj.com/articles/jim-eagle-and-georgias-voting-law-11616799451

[BillStime]

 

[oldmanfan]

3 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

https://www.wsj.com/articles/jim-eagle-and-georgias-voting-law-11616799451

How about the part where the state legislature can just go into a county and throw out ballots if they want?  How about taking the power away from the Secretary of State to oversee elections.

[Chef Jim]

2 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

Not being able to give a thirsty person a bottle of water is absurd.  and yes, inner city folks especially the elderly have trouble getting around.

 

You don't have a clue what you're talking about.  You only know what your "handlers" have told you. From the bill....

 

"(a) No person shall solicit votes in any manner or by any means or method, nor shall any

person distribute or display any campaign material, nor shall any person give, offer to give,

 or participate in the giving of any money or gifts, including, but not limited to, food and

drink, to an elector, nor shall any person solicit signatures for any petition, nor shall any

person, other than election officials discharging their duties, establish or set up any tables

or booths on any day in which ballots are being cast

(1) Within 150 feet of the outer edge of any building within which a polling place is

established;

(2) Within any polling place; or

(3) Within 25 feet of any voter standing in line to vote at any polling place."

 

Aaaaaand there is this.........

 

The bill also states that poll workers can make available "self-service water from an unattended receptacle to an elector waiting in line to vote." But nothing in the law requires poll workers to make water easily available to voters while they are waiting in line.

 

And why, in your mind, do inner city people have trouble getting around?  

 

 

 

1 minute ago, oldmanfan said:

How about the part where the state legislature can just go into a county and throw out ballots if they want?  How about taking the power away from the Secretary of State to oversee elections.

 

Link?? 

[oldmanfan]

2 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

 

You don't have a clue what you're talking about.  You only know what your "handlers" have told you. From the bill....

 

"(a) No person shall solicit votes in any manner or by any means or method, nor shall any

person distribute or display any campaign material, nor shall any person give, offer to give,

 or participate in the giving of any money or gifts, including, but not limited to, food and

drink, to an elector, nor shall any person solicit signatures for any petition, nor shall any

person, other than election officials discharging their duties, establish or set up any tables

or booths on any day in which ballots are being cast

(1) Within 150 feet of the outer edge of any building within which a polling place is

established;

(2) Within any polling place; or

(3) Within 25 feet of any voter standing in line to vote at any polling place."

 

Aaaaaand there is this.........

 

The bill also states that poll workers can make available "self-service water from an unattended receptacle to an elector waiting in line to vote." But nothing in the law requires poll workers to make water easily available to voters while they are waiting in line.

 

And why, in your mind, do inner city people have trouble getting around?  

 

 

 

 

Link?? 

Ok, let's read:.  

 

Within 150 feet of the outer edge of a building.  Great.  That means I can come down there and give water to someone standing in line for hours waiting to cast their vote because their voting districts don't have enough polling places because they were taken away because of partisan crap.  Oh, but wait, let's read some more...

 

Within 25 feet of any voter standing in line to vote at any polling place.  Well, that changes things now, doesn't it?  I can't now perform a simple humanitarian gesture and hand someone a bottle of water, unless my arms are 26 feet long.  I wonder why.  

 

As for the link you asked for, read the law.  The Secretary of State no longer chairs the State Election Board, he becomes an ex-officio non-voting member.  And the board and thus legislature can intervene in counties they deem to be "underperforming", with the board made up of a chair appointed by the legislature, state house and senate each appointing one member, and each party appointing one member.  which means in Georgia right now that would be 4 Republicans and 1 Democrat.  That's really fair, wonder how long it will take for counties such as Fulton to be declared "underperforming".  

 

[Chef Jim]

9 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

Ok, let's read:.  

 

Within 150 feet of the outer edge of a building.  Great.  That means I can come down there and give water to someone standing in line for hours waiting to cast their vote because their voting districts don't have enough polling places because they were taken away because of partisan crap.  Oh, but wait, let's read some more...

 

Within 25 feet of any voter standing in line to vote at any polling place.  Well, that changes things now, doesn't it?  I can't now perform a simple humanitarian gesture and hand someone a bottle of water, unless my arms are 26 feet long.  I wonder why.  

 

As for the link you asked for, read the law.  The Secretary of State no longer chairs the State Election Board, he becomes an ex-officio non-voting member.  And the board and thus legislature can intervene in counties they deem to be "underperforming", with the board made up of a chair appointed by the legislature, state house and senate each appointing one member, and each party appointing one member.  which means in Georgia right now that would be 4 Republicans and 1 Democrat.  That's really fair, wonder how long it will take for counties such as Fulton to be declared "underperforming".  

 

 

Seriously.  You think this rule was to prevent people from getting a drink of water?  Everyone and their grandmother carries a bottle of water with them.  And if that person is really that parched they can always "hey, can you hold my place in line? I need a drink."  How about a bathroom?  What if someone has to pee?  

 

Do you want one person making these decisions or a board to make them?  So is this your gripe?  There are too many Republicans in GA?  The GA SOS is a Republican so I'm not understanding your problem here.  

[oldmanfan]

Just now, Chef Jim said:

 

Seriously.  You think this rule was to prevent people from getting a drink of water?  Everyone and their grandmother carries a bottle of water with them.  And if that person is really that parched they can always "hey, can you hold my place in line? I need a drink."  How about a bathroom?  What if someone has to pee?  

 

Do you want one person making these decisions or a board to make them?  So is this your gripe?  There are too many Republicans in GA?  The GA SOS is a Republican so I'm not understanding your problem here.  

Yes, I seriously think this was to keep people from standing in long lines to get a bottle of water, so that people will decide not to come vote.  Most clear thinking people d the same. And if they have to pee I would hope that porta potties are made available, although I suspect that's next on the hit list.  

 

When it comes to voting regulations, this was changed because the current Georgia Secretary of State actually stood up for the law and ran a fair election.  And now gets punished for it.   And will get primaried and voted out quite likely, all because the previous President cannot accept he lost a free and fair election.  Again I will read for you; 4 of the 5 people on the board will be Republican.  what will you do when they decide a county that votes mostly Democratic they decide is "underperforming" and start invalidating legal ballots?  When people have their constitutional right to vote taken away will you stand with them or against them?

[Chef Jim]

3 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

Yes, I seriously think this was to keep people from standing in long lines to get a bottle of water, so that people will decide not to come vote.  Most clear thinking people d the same. And if they have to pee I would hope that porta potties are made available, although I suspect that's next on the hit list.  

 

When it comes to voting regulations, this was changed because the current Georgia Secretary of State actually stood up for the law and ran a fair election.  And now gets punished for it.   And will get primaried and voted out quite likely, all because the previous President cannot accept he lost a free and fair election.  Again I will read for you; 4 of the 5 people on the board will be Republican.  what will you do when they decide a county that votes mostly Democratic they decide is "underperforming" and start invalidating legal ballots?  When people have their constitutional right to vote taken away will you stand with them or against them?

 

Wow I thought I was a cynic.  So you're cool with people being able to walk to a porta potty but not to a drinking fountain or drinking station that is offered at ALL polling places.  Does it hurt when you tie yourself in knots like this.  You said you were against people with NRA hats handing out water.  Do you, for even a minute, thik that's what this part of the law was addressing?  You're focusing on water.  Why are you?  Let's read this again shall we?

 

 No person shall solicit votes in any manner or by any means or method, nor shall any

person distribute or display any campaign material, nor shall any person give, offer to give,

 or participate in the giving of any money or gifts, including, but not limited to, food and

drink, to an elector, nor shall any person solicit signatures for any petition, nor shall any

person, other than election officials discharging their duties, establish or set up any tables

or booths on any day in which ballots are being cast

 

Again you're focusing on water when that is one of many things they are not allowed to hand out.  

[716er]

Jim keep digging your hole - this is some quality entertainment

[oldmanfan]

22 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

 

Wow I thought I was a cynic.  So you're cool with people being able to walk to a porta potty but not to a drinking fountain or drinking station that is offered at ALL polling places.  Does it hurt when you tie yourself in knots like this.  You said you were against people with NRA hats handing out water.  Do you, for even a minute, thik that's what this part of the law was addressing?  You're focusing on water.  Why are you?  Let's read this again shall we?

 

 No person shall solicit votes in any manner or by any means or method, nor shall any

person distribute or display any campaign material, nor shall any person give, offer to give,

 or participate in the giving of any money or gifts, including, but not limited to, food and

drink, to an elector, nor shall any person solicit signatures for any petition, nor shall any

person, other than election officials discharging their duties, establish or set up any tables

or booths on any day in which ballots are being cast

 

Again you're focusing on water when that is one of many things they are not allowed to hand out.  

People have not been allowed to hand out campaign material at polling places for a while.  And yes I’m focused on water.  You know why?  Because not being able to hand a thirst person a bottle of water violates everything I know about being a basic, kind human being.  Not to mention it is an affront to my Christian beliefs.  

[Chef Jim]

16 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

People have not been allowed to hand out campaign material at polling places for a while.  And yes I’m focused on water.  You know why?  Because not being able to hand a thirst person a bottle of water violates everything I know about being a basic, kind human being.  Not to mention it is an affront to my Christian beliefs.  

 

What part of "they will offer drinking water at polling stations" do you not understand?  You lose all credibility in my mind because you're pissed they cannot directly hand people water in line. You really want to die on that hill??   

[oldmanfan]

6 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

 

What part of "they will offer drinking water at polling stations" do you not understand?  You lose all credibility in my mind because you're pissed they cannot directly hand people water in line. You really want to die on that hill??   

Yes.  Because helping a person who is thirsty is a decent and fundamentally human thing to do.  Sorry you apparently have lost that part of your humanity, but having seen your thinking about the pandemic and that you would have preferred multimillions of people around the world to die I am not surprised.

[Chef Jim]

2 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

Yes.  Because helping a person who is thirsty is a decent and fundamentally human thing to do.  Sorry you apparently have lost that part of your humanity, but having seen your thinking about the pandemic and that you would have preferred multimillions of people around the world to die I am not surprised.

 

Who is being denied water?  Please explain.  

[oldmanfan]

11 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

 

Who is being denied water?  Please explain.  

The person a mile away from the polling place, standing in line because there aren’t enough polling places in her district vs. others.  At this point I assume you are being facetious; no one could truly be as naive as you are pretending to be.

[Chef Jim]

1 hour ago, oldmanfan said:

The person a mile away from the polling place, standing in line because there aren’t enough polling places in her district vs. others.  At this point I assume you are being facetious; no one could truly be as naive as you are pretending to be.

 

Bring water with you.  I wait in line for three hours for concerts all the time.  I don't expect anyone to bring me water. I either bring my own or have someone hold my place in line while I run across the street for a drink.  Are you accusing these inner city folks of being lazy, stupid or both??   BTW I haven't voted in person in probably 10 years.  You epitomize the bleeding heart liberal stereotype.  

 

 

[oldmanfan]

29 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

 

Bring water with you.  I wait in line for three hours for concerts all the time.  I don't expect anyone to bring me water. I either bring my own or have someone hold my place in line while I run across the street for a drink.  Are you accusing these inner city folks of being lazy, stupid or both??   BTW I haven't voted in person in probably 10 years.  You epitomize the bleeding heart liberal stereotype.  

 

 

I’m independent.  I have very conservative ideas about law and order and finances.  I also have strong belief in Christian principles like helping your neighbor in need.

 

By your approach on this topic and by saying you would have rather had millions more die from the pandemic than using medicine and science you’ve shown us your humanity today, or lack thereof.  I’ll live by my Christian principles of how to treat my neighbor.  You go ahead and live by whatever those principles are that have so little disregard for others.

[Chef Jim]

2 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

I’m independent.  I have very conservative ideas about law and order and finances.  I also have strong belief in Christian principles like helping your neighbor in need.

 

By your approach on this topic and by saying you would have rather had millions more die from the pandemic than using medicine and science you’ve shown us your humanity today, or lack thereof.  I’ll live by my Christian principles of how to treat my neighbor.  You go ahead and live by whatever those principles are that have so little disregard for others.

 

Ok you're a bleeding heart Christian.  I have more faith in humanity that they can figure out a way wait in line to vote without dropping dead from thirst.  So I'll ask again.  Are you calling them lazy or stupid?  It's one or the other to think that they can't figure out a way to stay hydrated for a few hours when water is AVAILABLE to them at the polling place.  

 

And you don't understand my thoughts regarding the pandemic.  I'm saying we use a combination of science and mother nature. Had we done this and let the herd immunity take over we'd be closer to the end of this.  Dragging it out as we have been by the lock downs is causing a much greater long term toll to the economy and human emotion. We are talking about a virus that has a survival rate of high 90%.  If that's the science why are we prolonging the inevitable?