Gary M Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 https://www.air.tv/watch?v=LRLypMB2QKmW4qF9d1m-cQ "Former United States Vice President Joe Biden, who is running against President Donald Trump in the 2020 presidential election, said that he would not use executive orders to implement his policies because "you can't use executive orders unless you are a dictator."" 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 Within the first five days of his presidency, he issued 30 executive orders, compared with four for Trump, five for Barack Obama and zero for George W. Bush. Those executive orders included endorsement of radical reinterpretation of American history; killing the Keystone XL pipeline, along with its attendant estimated 11,000 American jobs; forcing the military to allow troops to undergo gender reassignment surgery; and forcing federally funded institutions to allow biological men who identify as transgender to compete alongside biological women, among others. He is reportedly pursuing an immigration plan directed toward reopening America’s borders. He has staffed his Cabinet by intersectional box-checking. https://www.dailywire.com/news/shapiro-this-is-not-normal 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Backintheday544 Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 Biden’s not really governing by Executive order. A majority of the orders were getting rid of failed Trump policies or helping with COVID. Biden still has a bit to catch up to Trumps 220 1 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Gun Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 39 minutes ago, Backintheday544 said: Biden’s not really governing by Executive order. A majority of the orders were getting rid of failed Trump policies or helping with COVID. Biden still has a bit to catch up to Trumps 220 Who has that helped? Has it helped you? It's helped the rest of the world except Americans, is that goal? Biden is a liar, always has been. Will say anything to benefit himself only! You Biden cult followers will get kicked to the curb as fast as the other side. You know he is a train wreck, you're too ignorant to admit it! You anti Trumpers are comically stupid! 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary M Posted January 27, 2021 Author Share Posted January 27, 2021 1 hour ago, Backintheday544 said: Biden’s not really governing by Executive order. A majority of the orders were getting rid of failed Trump policies or helping with COVID. Biden still has a bit to catch up to Trumps 220 How is raising insulin prices fixing a failed Trump policy? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Backintheday544 Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 1 hour ago, Big Gun said: Who has that helped? Has it helped you? It's helped the rest of the world except Americans, is that goal? Biden is a liar, always has been. Will say anything to benefit himself only! You Biden cult followers will get kicked to the curb as fast as the other side. You know he is a train wreck, you're too ignorant to admit it! You anti Trumpers are comically stupid! so you’re opposed to his buy American executive order? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Backintheday544 Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 5 minutes ago, Gary M said: How is raising insulin prices fixing a failed Trump policy? He didn’t raise insulin prices. He froze a Trump order for 60 days that may or may not end up helping lowering them. This kind of freeze is common when a new administration takes over. They could still keep Trumps EO if they feel it actually will help people. you can read all about it here: https://www.wtsp.com/mobile/article/news/verify/verify-biden-administration-insulin-costs/531-57ea96f8-bcbf-412e-8d25-6aaaa37319b4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary M Posted January 27, 2021 Author Share Posted January 27, 2021 6 minutes ago, Backintheday544 said: so you’re opposed to his buy American executive order? Nothing new, most government contracts have been bound by Buy American for decades. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaryPinC Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 31 minutes ago, Gary M said: How is raising insulin prices fixing a failed Trump policy? “Their whole mission for 55 years has been to provide low-cost prescriptions and services to low-income families,” said NACHC vice president of media relations Amy Simmons Farber, who also said community health centers opposed the Trump administration plan. “The executive order was a slap in the face because we were already a low-cost alternative to high prescription drug prices. The executive order just created massive red tape. It’s not a good rule.” https://www.wtsp.com/article/news/verify/verify-biden-administration-insulin-costs/531-57ea96f8-bcbf-412e-8d25-6aaaa37319b4 I personally believe Trump was trying to do the right thing on this. executive orders: I'm not a big fan of them but it's traditionally used. Teddy Roosevelt used over 1000, FDR over 3700 his 12 years! https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/statistics/data/executive-orders Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBBills Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 (edited) Yea getting rid of what the dictator did, it needed to be done. Cannot let the dictator Trump keep his orders which were backwards thinking and out of date. You are not smart if you didn't see this coming. It's why your views on your brainwashed politics are nothing more than a comic strip of idiocy. Edited January 27, 2021 by TBBills 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaryPinC Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 5 minutes ago, TBBills said: Yea getting rid of what the dictator did, it needed to be done. Cannot let the dictator Trump keep his orders which were backwards thinking and out of date. You are not smart if you didn't see this coming. It's why your views on your brainwashed politics are nothing more than a comic strip of idiocy. Ah, subjective judgement from your own brainwashed politics of idiocy.👌 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 42 minutes ago, Gary M said: How is raising insulin prices fixing a failed Trump policy? while the policy itself, I won’t wade into, I did see from the campaign contribution tracking site that Joe got $12.6 million donated to his campaign by the pharmaceutical industry. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoTier Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 Anybody remember when a defeated POTUS left office without attempting to stage a coup? 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary M Posted January 28, 2021 Author Share Posted January 28, 2021 (edited) 14 hours ago, Backintheday544 said: He didn’t raise insulin prices. He froze a Trump order for 60 days that may or may not end up helping lowering them. This kind of freeze is common when a new administration takes over. They could still keep Trumps EO if they feel it actually will help people. you can read all about it here: https://www.wtsp.com/mobile/article/news/verify/verify-biden-administration-insulin-costs/531-57ea96f8-bcbf-412e-8d25-6aaaa37319b4 How was that a failed Trump policy? Edited January 28, 2021 by Gary M Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Backintheday544 Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 9 minutes ago, Gary M said: How was that a failed Trump policy? 9 minutes ago, Gary M said: How was that a failed Trump policy? That’s just a frozen policy while they examine it. The policy isn’t removed like the failed policies. It’s a 60 day freeze. It’s a common practice and it allows the incoming administration time to review any policies the previous admin tried jamming through at the last min. In the next 60 days when they review it and if they find it’s actually helpful then they. An continue it. Notice how this is different than the EO to get rid of the wall funding. That is permanent and has no chance of getting back. Failed policy. The terrorists on January 6th proved how dumb the wall idea was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary M Posted January 28, 2021 Author Share Posted January 28, 2021 14 minutes ago, Backintheday544 said: That’s just a frozen policy while they examine it. The policy isn’t removed like the failed policies. It’s a 60 day freeze. It’s a common practice and it allows the incoming administration time to review any policies the previous admin tried jamming through at the last min. In the next 60 days when they review it and if they find it’s actually helpful then they. An continue it. Notice how this is different than the EO to get rid of the wall funding. That is permanent and has no chance of getting back. Failed policy. The terrorists on January 6th proved how dumb the wall idea was. But you said it was a failed policy. Was the pipeline a failed Trump policy? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Backintheday544 Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 5 minutes ago, Gary M said: But you said it was a failed policy. Was the pipeline a failed Trump policy? I know reading comprehension isn’t your strongest skill so I’ll try to make this slow just for you! My quote: Biden’s not really governing by Executive order. A majority of the orders were getting rid of failed Trump policies or helping with COVID. The word majority means most. It doesn’t mean all. Next, I said getting rid of failed trump policies. As already explained, he is not getting rid of it yet. He has put a 60 day freeze on the insulin EO in order to examine. He did not specifically target the insulin EO, his EO is a blanket freeze of anything Trump tried to ram through prior to the new admin starting. Next, let’s address your propaganda. Do you know what Trumps EO actually did? I’m guessing you did not. The EO “require federally qualified health centers who purchase insulins and epinephrine in the 340B program to pass the savings from discounted drug prices directly on to medically underserved patients.” HHS even said this EO would have minimal impact: HHS acknowledged "the economic impact is expected to be minimal" since the vast majority of patients who get insulin from community health centers already get discounted medication. In some cases, those patients receive a one-month supply of insulin for just $7, according to the report published in the Federal Register. So who do you think insulin prices are being raised for? Don’t just jump at catchy right wing headlines, please for the love of this country start reading. It will also help your reading comprehension skills as well, so that’s an added bonus for you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary M Posted January 28, 2021 Author Share Posted January 28, 2021 12 minutes ago, Backintheday544 said: I know reading comprehension isn’t your strongest skill so I’ll try to make this slow just for you! My quote: Biden’s not really governing by Executive order. A majority of the orders were getting rid of failed Trump policies or helping with COVID. The word majority means most. It doesn’t mean all. Next, I said getting rid of failed trump policies. As already explained, he is not getting rid of it yet. He has put a 60 day freeze on the insulin EO in order to examine. He did not specifically target the insulin EO, his EO is a blanket freeze of anything Trump tried to ram through prior to the new admin starting. Next, let’s address your propaganda. Do you know what Trumps EO actually did? I’m guessing you did not. The EO “require federally qualified health centers who purchase insulins and epinephrine in the 340B program to pass the savings from discounted drug prices directly on to medically underserved patients.” HHS even said this EO would have minimal impact: HHS acknowledged "the economic impact is expected to be minimal" since the vast majority of patients who get insulin from community health centers already get discounted medication. In some cases, those patients receive a one-month supply of insulin for just $7, according to the report published in the Federal Register. So who do you think insulin prices are being raised for? Don’t just jump at catchy right wing headlines, please for the love of this country start reading. It will also help your reading comprehension skills as well, so that’s an added bonus for you! I know reading comprehension isn’t your strongest skill so I’ll try to make this slow just for you! Was the pipeline a failed policy? I will also like to know if governing by EO is being a dictator or not? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 Well look on the bright side. On their next cross country family road trip Americans can stop off to see the worlds biggest ball of twine...AND the rusting remains of the now defunct Keystone Pipeline! I’m sure some woke artist colony will turn it into a homeless shelter or wildlife refuge. Nice job Joe! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Backintheday544 Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 7 minutes ago, Gary M said: I know reading comprehension isn’t your strongest skill so I’ll try to make this slow just for you! Was the pipeline a failed policy? I will also like to know if governing by EO is being a dictator or not? Great way to ignore anything about you falling for propaganda on the insulin! You’ll get this reading comprehension yet! I think the Keystone is a failed project and shouldn’t have been done in the first place. The climate impact greatly outweighs the temporary jobs and part time jobs it creates. Using EOs is not a dictatorship. It’s something that has been found to be constitutional and done by every President. Trump issued 69 EOs in 2020 alone and you didn’t complain for a second. I think that alone shows it’s not a dictatorship issue but a partisan issue for you. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary M Posted January 28, 2021 Author Share Posted January 28, 2021 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Backintheday544 said: Great way to ignore anything about you falling for propaganda on the insulin! You’ll get this reading comprehension yet! I think the Keystone is a failed project and shouldn’t have been done in the first place. The climate impact greatly outweighs the temporary jobs and part time jobs it creates. Using EOs is not a dictatorship. It’s something that has been found to be constitutional and done by every President. Trump issued 69 EOs in 2020 alone and you didn’t complain for a second. I think that alone shows it’s not a dictatorship issue but a partisan issue for you. Lets wait till the end of the 60 days to see on the insulin, my thinking is the temp stoppage will be permanent with the hope that no one notices, we shall see who fell for propaganda So hauling oil by truck and train is less of an impact than in a pipe? Biden said governing by EO is being a dictator, so you disagree with him on that. I have not complained about Biden using EOs, just his hypocrisy. Edited January 28, 2021 by Gary M 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Backintheday544 Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 8 minutes ago, Gary M said: Lets wait till the end of the 60 days to see on the insulin, my thinking is the temp stoppage will be permanent with the hope that no one notices, we shall see who fell for propaganda So hauling oil by truck and train is less of an impact than in a pipe? Biden said governing by EO is being a dictator, so you disagree with him on that. I have not complained about Biden using EOs, just his hypocrisy. Understanding how the EO is worded is not propaganda, it’s called reading comprehension. Thinking everyone is going to see huge spikes in insulin prices due to the EO is propaganda. Not to get back to reading comprehension yet again, but if you read the previous post and understood it, Trumps own run HHS said the impact is going to be minimal. Here is for you again: HHS even said this EO would have minimal impact: HHS acknowledged "the economic impact is expected to be minimal" since the vast majority of patients who get insulin from community health centers already get discounted medication. In some cases, those patients receive a one-month supply of insulin for just $7, according to the report published in the Federal Register. I don’t need to agree with everything Biden says or does. I’m not in a cult. Now this is probably different than we saw the past 4 years with Trump supporters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
US Egg Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 16 hours ago, Gary M said: Nothing new, most government contracts have been bound by Buy American for decades. Not energy and Biden is pushing that back into the hands of foreigners. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaryPinC Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 1 hour ago, Gary M said: How was that a failed Trump policy? community health centers opposed the Trump administration plan. “The executive order was a slap in the face because we were already a low-cost alternative to high prescription drug prices. The executive order just created massive red tape. It’s not a good rule.” See my post from yesterday for the rest of your answer. But I've copied the important part here to hopefully help your reading comprehension. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary M Posted January 28, 2021 Author Share Posted January 28, 2021 1 hour ago, Backintheday544 said: Understanding how the EO is worded is not propaganda, it’s called reading comprehension. Thinking everyone is going to see huge spikes in insulin prices due to the EO is propaganda. Not to get back to reading comprehension yet again, but if you read the previous post and understood it, Trumps own run HHS said the impact is going to be minimal. Here is for you again: HHS even said this EO would have minimal impact: HHS acknowledged "the economic impact is expected to be minimal" since the vast majority of patients who get insulin from community health centers already get discounted medication. In some cases, those patients receive a one-month supply of insulin for just $7, according to the report published in the Federal Register. I don’t need to agree with everything Biden says or does. I’m not in a cult. Now this is probably different than we saw the past 4 years with Trump supporters. deflection, you still haven't explained a single failed Trump policy that Obiden reversed, even though you claimed a majority of them as failed. If the price impact was minimal why did Obiden make it such a priority and "pause" it on day 1. Pretty sure there were other things he promised that could have been done. Will you address the hypocrisy or not? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Backintheday544 Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 3 hours ago, Gary M said: deflection, you still haven't explained a single failed Trump policy that Obiden reversed, even though you claimed a majority of them as failed. If the price impact was minimal why did Obiden make it such a priority and "pause" it on day 1. Pretty sure there were other things he promised that could have been done. Will you address the hypocrisy or not? 1. wearing masks in Federal building -overrode the Trump policy of not needing to 2. Rejoining WHO - terrible decision by Trump 3. Rejoining Paris agreement - terrible as well 4. pausing student loan payments - a good Trump policy that is just being extended 5. ending Muslim bam - terrible trump policy I can go on and on. Plus it’s not deflection you never asked about it because you had your head wrapped around a headline about insulin. You keep deflecting about the insulin. Will you just admin you read a headline or a tweet that Biden is making insulin prices go up and didn’t bother to read that that is not actually what is occurring? I don’t know if you’re just being a parody or what. Biden did not single out insulin. His Executive order you’re referring to halted the implementation of multiple orders and directives. He did not make insulin a priority. It just fell inside the scope of what was frozen. Plus a great quote from a guy who knows more about this than you because he does more than read a headline, Tom Van Coverden. President and CEO of National Associations of Heath Centers, “We are deeply grateful for the Biden Administration put the brakes on such a harmful rule within hours of taking office. Health Centers, bipartisan members of Congress, and leaders within the Department of Health and Human services have indicated that this rule will do more harm than good at a time when too many people are suffering.” Please do us all a favor and become a more informed voter than just a person who reads a quick tweet or a right wing headline. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBBills Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 5 hours ago, Gary M said: Will you address the hypocrisy or not? There is not hypocrisy since he is undoing all the stupid ***** Trump did. You want a dictator to keep his executive orders or the new guy to get rid of them? You cannot have both but you knew that and to think otherwise makes you... Well, not smart. You tried to spin this yet it didn't work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary M Posted January 28, 2021 Author Share Posted January 28, 2021 2 minutes ago, TBBills said: There is not hypocrisy since he is undoing all the stupid ***** Trump did. You want a dictator to keep his executive orders or the new guy to get rid of them? You cannot have both but you knew that and to think otherwise makes you... Well, not smart. You tried to spin this yet it didn't work. So it's not hypocrisy as long as the ends justifies the means? amazing. 1 hour ago, Backintheday544 said: 1. wearing masks in Federal building -overrode the Trump policy of not needing to 2. Rejoining WHO - terrible decision by Trump 3. Rejoining Paris agreement - terrible as well 4. pausing student loan payments - a good Trump policy that is just being extended 5. ending Muslim bam - terrible trump policy I can go on and on. Plus it’s not deflection you never asked about it because you had your head wrapped around a headline about insulin. You keep deflecting about the insulin. Will you just admin you read a headline or a tweet that Biden is making insulin prices go up and didn’t bother to read that that is not actually what is occurring? I don’t know if you’re just being a parody or what. Biden did not single out insulin. His Executive order you’re referring to halted the implementation of multiple orders and directives. He did not make insulin a priority. It just fell inside the scope of what was frozen. Plus a great quote from a guy who knows more about this than you because he does more than read a headline, Tom Van Coverden. President and CEO of National Associations of Heath Centers, “We are deeply grateful for the Biden Administration put the brakes on such a harmful rule within hours of taking office. Health Centers, bipartisan members of Congress, and leaders within the Department of Health and Human services have indicated that this rule will do more harm than good at a time when too many people are suffering.” Please do us all a favor and become a more informed voter than just a person who reads a quick tweet or a right wing headline. Your list = Orangeman bad, thanks for not disappointing 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Backintheday544 Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 14 minutes ago, Gary M said: So it's not hypocrisy as long as the ends justifies the means? amazing. Your list = Orangeman bad, thanks for not disappointing To use a phrase the right used a bit the past four years you’re like an NPC. You just shout out random phrases. Nowhere in the discussion did you make any point, reference any thing, or demonstrate the least bit of intellectual ability. You ignored any facts that were the opposite of headlines and tweets that you read. You claim Biden is a hypocrite, yet you’re on here mad he’s using executive orders when you started 0 threads the past four years about Trumps use of executive orders. Failed is a subjective term. You may think the policies were awesome that are now gone forever. However, a majority of Americans believed they were wrong for the country and Biden is following through on campaign promises and doing what the majority asked him to do. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBBills Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 25 minutes ago, Gary M said: So it's not hypocrisy as long as the ends justifies the means? amazing. Your list = Orangeman bad, thanks for not disappointing Wrong it's not hypocrisy when you are undoing what the dictator did. Wow I cannot believe the understanding level of some of you... Trump did a good job on your minds. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiotAct Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 8 hours ago, Backintheday544 said: I don’t need to agree with everything Biden says or does. I’m not in a cult. Now this is probably different than we saw the past 4 years with Trump supporters. No, definitely not. DEFINITELY not. As ti the insulin thing... since not everyone will see a big spike in insulin prices, that makes it okay? Yeesh. It’s fascinating watching the Bidenites spin this. Really a study in human psyche 1 hour ago, TBBills said: Wrong it's not hypocrisy when you are undoing what the dictator did. Wow I cannot believe the understanding level of some of you... Trump did a good job on your minds. sounds like he did a great job on yours. He still seems to be on your mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBBills Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 26 minutes ago, RiotAct said: He still seems to be on your mind Everyone keeps asking about him and his garbage executive orders that needed to be overturned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Teddy KGB Posted January 29, 2021 Share Posted January 29, 2021 1 minute ago, Buftex said: They're back! need a tissue ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBBills Posted January 29, 2021 Share Posted January 29, 2021 4 hours ago, B-Man said: Fun that looks like Trump up there. 3 hours ago, Teddy KGB said: need a tissue ? Every time you all post here it's a queue that you are angry. Not a single post after the election but now that the republicans lost everything they feel the need to try and post propaganda here. All it does is make the democratic party stronger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 ‘A President is Not a King’ – Attorneys General Blast Joe Biden For Signing Record Number of Executive Orders in First Week in Office by Christina Laila https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/01/president-not-king-attorneys-general-blast-joe-biden-signing-record-number-executive-orders-first-week-office/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 (edited) Trying to get 60 votes in very partisan Senates is a exercise in futility . Who can override a presidential executive order? Congress may try to overturn an executive order by passing a bill that blocks it. But the president can veto that bill. Congress would then need to override that veto to pass the bill. Also, the Supreme Court can declare an executive order unconstitutional. Edited January 31, 2021 by ALF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unforgiven Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 On 1/27/2021 at 2:16 PM, Gary M said: https://www.air.tv/watch?v=LRLypMB2QKmW4qF9d1m-cQ "Former United States Vice President Joe Biden, who is running against President Donald Trump in the 2020 presidential election, said that he would not use executive orders to implement his policies because "you can't use executive orders unless you are a dictator."" He probably doesn't even know what he's signing...thinks it's the supper menu. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 (edited) On 1/29/2021 at 12:51 PM, B-Man said: Trump issued 220 executive orders in 4 years President Biden signed 25 so far. Only 195 to go to catch up. https://www.federalregister.gov/presidential-documents/executive-orders Barack Obama issued 276 executive orders between 2009 and 2017 George W. Bush issued 291 executive orders between 2001 and 2009. You have to wonder how so many "smart" people fell for QAnon and Don's lies Edited February 4, 2021 by SlimShady'sSpaceForce Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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