The Donald Trump legacy

[Warcodered]

3 hours ago, I am the egg man said:

https://www.news.com.au/world/north-america/us-politics/inauguration-day-military-turns-back-on-joe-biden/news-story/f9ccf71f23fa7e9bb460d3f1a61ae9ac

was that supposed to be something?

[TBBills]

4 hours ago, Big Gun said:

Go silence your self f**k stain!

This is why you are not allowed to be around adults.

[SoTier]

7 hours ago, I am the egg man said:

https://www.news.com.au/world/north-america/us-politics/inauguration-day-military-turns-back-on-joe-biden/news-story/f9ccf71f23fa7e9bb460d3f1a61ae9ac

 

The link doesn't work, dude.

[TBBills]

27 minutes ago, SoTier said:

 

The link doesn't work, dude.

That's the point, it's propaganda.

[Tiberius]

13 hours ago, Big Blitz said:

 

 

Source?  

 

Because I see equivalent alleged death totals from state to state (although the deep lockdown states have more so thats odd) and from country to country.   

 

But yea masks.   

No source needed. Trump would not lead by example. He held super spreader events. This led to death. 

 

Source? Lol, ya, ignore the obvious truth. 

[Backintheday544]

15 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

No source needed. Trump would not lead by example. He held super spreader events. This led to death. 

 

Source? Lol, ya, ignore the obvious truth. 

source - Herman Cains ghost

[Big Blitz]

42 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

No source needed. Trump would not lead by example. He held super spreader events. This led to death. 

 

Source? Lol, ya, ignore the obvious truth. 

 

 

I guess that's your truth and I'm not going to tell you otherwise.  

 

What I will tell you is that actual science doesn't work like that.  

 

How many of these superspreader events has he held in California because they aren't doing so well?   

 

Or how about in the UK?  Or Germany and Italy?  Or even New York.  Where Cuomo can't stop killing people.  Someone get that man his book.  

 

 

So you do you and use politics to try and solve the issue.  I'll try to follow science.  

Edited January 21, 2021 by Big Blitz

[Niagara Bill]

On 1/20/2021 at 3:13 AM, transplantbillsfan said:

It will clearly be defined forever by his last year.

 

• Deadliest year in American history 
• 400,000+ Americans dead from a Pandemic he completely botched responding to
• 6.7% unemployment with 11+ million officially out of work looking for jobs and millions more who just stopped looking and dropped out of the workforce 
• Twice impeached
• No peaceful transfer of power... instead a violent one with what he incited on January 6th

 

Add in whatever else you think he's going to be remembered for 10, 20, 50 years from now...

Actually I will remember his last chopper flight over Washington, no people, 25,000 troops, blockades, blood stains on the capital, and he was not invited to the big party. He created a wonderful scene that looked more like Mad Max than the MAGA he created in his own mind.

I also was thinking of the 73,000,000 who wanted more of this.

[US Egg]

 

[DrDawkinstein]

16 minutes ago, I am the egg man said:

 

 

 

 

Try harder to find some drama that isnt there. All that clip shows is some troops standing around, milling about, and keeping an eye on all angles. Big deal.

 

After the vetting and removal of extremists from their ranks, there were no "protests" of any kind from the Nat Guard troops yesterday.

 

Fake news.

[US Egg]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Stick to invasive fingering Dr.

[Big Blitz]

Trump saved babies.  That's an actual legacy.  

 

Biden allegedly attends Church. 

 

 

Response should surprise no one.  He either hasn't had to answer any questions or he either has a 80s, 90s, 2000s, or BLM/Antifa Biden position on things we don't really know.  

 

 

Press Secretary Jen Psaki Dodges Questions About Biden Abortion Policy: He ‘Attends Church Regularly’

 

https://www.dailywire.com/news/press-secretary-jen-psaki-dodges-questions-about-biden-abortion-policy-he-attends-church-regularly

[SoTier]

29 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

Trump saved babies.  That's an actual legacy.  

 

Biden allegedly attends Church. 

 

 

Response should surprise no one.  He either hasn't had to answer any questions or he either has a 80s, 90s, 2000s, or BLM/Antifa Biden position on things we don't really know.  

 

 

Press Secretary Jen Psaki Dodges Questions About Biden Abortion Policy: He ‘Attends Church Regularly’

 

https://www.dailywire.com/news/press-secretary-jen-psaki-dodges-questions-about-biden-abortion-policy-he-attends-church-regularly

 

LOL!  If you believe that Trump "saved babies" for any reason other than it benefited him personally, you are an idiot.  Trump cares for nobody or nothing except himself, including his own children.

 

 

[Tiberius]

1 hour ago, Big Blitz said:

 

 

I guess that's your truth and I'm not going to tell you otherwise.  

 

What I will tell you is that actual science doesn't work like that.  

 

How many of these superspreader events has he held in California because they aren't doing so well?   

 

Or how about in the UK?  Or Germany and Italy?  Or even New York.  Where Cuomo can't stop killing people.  Someone get that man his book.  

 

 

So you do you and use politics to try and solve the issue.  I'll try to follow science.  

It is just the truth. Just because people died during a pandemic--ya know?--doesn't mean Trump's lack of leadership did not contribute to more deaths. 

 

He did. 

[Big Gun]

5 hours ago, TBBills said:

This is why you are not allowed to be around adults.

GFY while jumping off a cliff! The world would be a better place!

[Big Blitz]

1 minute ago, Tiberius said:

It is just the truth. Just because people died during a pandemic--ya know?--doesn't mean Trump's lack of leadership did not contribute to more deaths. 

 

He did. 

 

 

He saved 1.6 million.  

 

2 million projected dead.

 

200k dead by December "if we did everything PERFECTLY."  --Dr. Scarf Lady March 20, 2020

 

 

This is what we were told.  And all that happened.  So his legacy is saving 1.6 million and getting a vaccine that Amazon didn't offer to help distribute until Biden took office.  

 

These are the facts.  Amazon got people killed.  

[Tiberius]

5 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

 

 

He saved 1.6 million.  

 

2 million projected dead.

 

200k dead by December "if we did everything PERFECTLY."  --Dr. Scarf Lady March 20, 2020

 

 

This is what we were told.  And all that happened.  So his legacy is saving 1.6 million and getting a vaccine that Amazon didn't offer to help distribute until Biden took office.  

 

These are the facts.  Amazon got people killed.  

No, his lack of any leadership, his lies and actions all spread death. 

 

 

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

11 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

Clarity, huh?

Yes. 

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For whom?   On what?

Really for just about everyone.  Liberals.  Conservatives.  In-betweeners.   We all saw how the last four (more accurately five I suppose) years played out, we all saw the other folks as the problem, and most folks walk away more emotionally entrenched in our positions than ever before.  

 

A couple examples:

Dems 2015-2020:  Russia stole our election.  Donald Trump is treasonous. Putin put a president in the WH.   The election was a sham, a coup ensued.   Trump supporters are irredeemable and deplorable.  The results of Russia investigation by elder statesman Mueller will reveal the truth and Trump will be gone.  Trump shaking down Ukraine is different than Biden shaking down Ukraine.  Trump is an incompetent boob who can't string a sentence together.  Trump is corrupt.  Trump doesn't respect woman and has assaulted many.  Kavanaugh is a rapist.  Trump is a liar. Conservatives are hypocrites. 

 

Rs 20220:  The dems stole the election.  Joe Biden has a sold us out to China.  Joe is corrupt.  The election was as sham.  Biden has a history of fondling and groping women and has been accused of violent sexual assault.  Mueller was a hack.  Pelosi and the dem leadership courted anarchists and encouraged violent uprisings across the country.  Biden shook down Ukraine on camera.  Biden was an incompetent boob before dementia set in, now his cranium is basically a bowl of cabbage soup. Biden is a liar. Liberals are hypocrites. 

 

Most people found what they were looking for.   Heck just the other day--in that other post, you talked about the couple posters on the other board being on the extreme side.  I agree with that, and avoid them like the plague.  Yet, just the other day, I heard comments made by chief architect of a non-peaceful transition of power J Comey suggest that the GOP beeds to be 'burned down or changed'.  There are scoodles of similar comments made by Messrs Pelosi, Schumer, Nadler and the like over the past five years--lots of hateful rhetoric that no doubt inspired violence, rioting and looting, attacks on law enforcement officials and federal facilities...and the tolerant left and faithful WaPo remains silent, guiding true believers  in the proper direction.  

 

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As for the judiciary... what's interesting is I think that even if the Democrats don't do something wild like eliminate the filibuster and pack the courts, any Trump appointee at any level is now going to understand that they were appointed by an insurrectionist who might become the first ever convicted President in an impeachment trial.

Conjecture.  

 

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You conservatives don't like Roberts so much already.  We've already seen Gorsuch and Kavenaugh break ranks and vote for more "liberal" causes. 

Roberts is considered in some circles to be left-leaning by conservatives.  In that regard, he's a disappointment. I'm not sure I'd compare it with liberal disappointment of RBG staying on way too long/not living long enough, but certainly it's a factor when things don't go your way.  On the other hand, liberals wailed at the thought of Kavanaugh being appointed and as you pointed out, he and Gorsuch have displayed that they are their own men. You should be pleased with that.  See your point that starts with ...as for the judiciary...

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I want Biden and the Democrats to do everything in their power to pack the courts at all levels at this point, honestly.  But even if they don't, Trump screwed his judicial appointees over with almost all future decisions in terms of objectivity.

Of course you do.  You're simply the flip side of the extremist trump supporter.   I have no idea what your second point means in the context of judicial decision-making, but I'm comfortable that you don't either. 

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And I find it odd that you respond to this one rather than the other much more elaborate post directly to you the other day.

 

I saw you responded to me, but when I clicked on it, it showed nothing.  Perhaps a second thought?

Yes, I responded and deleted my reply an hour or two later.  It seemed pointless, and you seemed to be getting more amped up (that's a Transpy thing)  and I saw no point in proceeding on the terms you felt compelled to attempt to dictate.  Your post was a hodgepodge of opinion  masked as fact that you believe exposes the hypocrisy of the support for Trump.  I don't see it that way, but good for you. 

 

The difference with this post is that you seemed to be reaching for some sort of big picture view, it wasn't a post about finding any sort of common ground, and it is an interesting point.  Does that offend? 

 

Peace out.  

 

 

 

 

Edited January 21, 2021 by leh-nerd skin-erd

[aristocrat]

19 hours ago, Tiberius said:

How many would you estimate died because of his lack of leadership on Covid? Or do you not believe the virus killed people? 

 

just as many as any other president.  i mean nothing as worked and looking back the only thing that might work is a vaccine.  states were open...deaths. states were closed...deaths.  mask mandates didn't seem to do much places still had to shut down. 

[Tiberius]

7 minutes ago, aristocrat said:

 

just as many as any other president.  i mean nothing as worked and looking back the only thing that might work is a vaccine.  states were open...deaths. states were closed...deaths.  mask mandates didn't seem to do much places still had to shut down. 

No, leaders lead. Had he simply showed leadership, not lied, not held super spreader events, fewer deaths would have happened. 

[Big Blitz]

5 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

No, leaders lead. Had he simply showed leadership, not lied, not held super spreader events, fewer deaths would have happened. 

 

 

So should have the States mandated everyone stay home.  No jobs.  No leaving the house.  Indefinitely.  Everything and everyone.  Indefinitely.  

 

Should they have done this?  It would have saved 10s of thousands if not 100s of thousands of lives.  

 

Maybe there would have been no deaths--like in China!

Edited January 21, 2021 by Big Blitz

[TSOL]

15 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

No, leaders lead. Had he simply showed leadership, not lied, not held super spreader events, fewer deaths would have happened. 

 

 

Yes, leaders lead, but people need to take responsibility for themselves. People shouldn't rely on big government to keep them safe, It's each and every one of our duties to keep ourselves informed and safe. We can't count on the president to put a warm blanket over us and hold us in their lap why we suckle the teet of big government. 

 

In December 2019 and January 2020 when it started becoming evident there was something weird going on in the world I bought up a bunch of N95's and started wearing the mask. I didn't need Fauci or Trump or anyone to tell me to watch my ass out there, it became clear very quickly that the world was begining to be turned on end. 

 

I handed out masks to the cashier's at tops unfortunately they looked at me like I was nuts. 

 

I feel like it's the democrats mission statement, to keep people reliant on government, and that's why I lean right. I'll take care of my own damn self thank you very much. 

 

This is where we differ. Stop looking for leaders and be your own leader. 

[Big Blitz]

45 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

 

 

So should have the States mandated everyone stay home.  No jobs.  No leaving the house.  Indefinitely.  Everything and everyone.  Indefinitely.  

 

Should they have done this?  It would have saved 10s of thousands if not 100s of thousands of lives.  

 

Maybe there would have been no deaths--like in China!

 

 

It's a simple question.  Why is even 1 death acceptable?

 

And to avoid 200K of them let alone 400K (allegedly), the only solution is complete and total shutdown indefinitely.

 

 

Was this what you wanted to do?  Were you of the ridiculous mindset the planet and its governments that can barely roll out an Obamacare website was somehow going to suppress this highly contagious aerosolized from day 1 (they lied to you) virus.  

 

Is this Biden’s plan?  Mandatory and indefinite shelter in place?  Or wear 2 masks.....maybe 3?

[TBBills]

2 hours ago, Big Gun said:

GFY while jumping off a cliff! The world would be a better place!

Irony...

17 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

 

 

It's a simple question.  Why is even 1 death acceptable?

 

And to avoid 200K of them let alone 400K (allegedly), the only solution is complete and total shutdown indefinitely.

 

 

Was this what you wanted to do?  Were you of the ridiculous mindset the planet and its governments that can barely roll out an Obamacare website was somehow going to suppress this highly contagious aerosolized from day 1 (they lied to you) virus.  

 

Is this Biden’s plan?  Mandatory and indefinite shelter in place?  Or wear 2 masks.....maybe 3?

No one wants to talk to your extremist self. Just stay brainwashed in your section of weirdos and stop embarrassing yourself daily here.

 

Also take your racist hate filled buddy with you. 

Edited January 21, 2021 by TBBills

[Tenhigh]

45 minutes ago, TBBills said:

Irony...

No one wants to talk to your extremist self. Just stay brainwashed in your section of weirdos and stop embarrassing yourself daily here.

 

Also take your racist hate filled buddy with you. 

What was extremist about that post? Have you ever considered that maybe some of your points of view can be considered extreme?  We should all cut the name calling $#!+ and try a little reasonable dialog.   

[Big Gun]

48 minutes ago, TBBills said:

Irony...

No one wants to talk to your extremist self. Just stay brainwashed in your section of weirdos and stop embarrassing yourself daily here.

 

Also take your racist hate filled buddy with you. 

Haha, talk about irony.....good god you have to be the most racist ignorant brainwashed mouth breather in your house, surely you don't have any relatives as useless as you, do you? 

[Tenhigh]

Just now, Big Gun said:

Haha, talk about irony.....good god you have to be the most racist ignorant brainwashed mouth breather in your house, surely you don't have any relatives as useless as you, do you? 

This is no better than the $#!/ @TB Bills is spewing. And it's against the TOS.

[TBBills]

6 minutes ago, Big Gun said:

Haha, talk about irony.....good god you have to be the most racist ignorant brainwashed mouth breather in your house, surely you don't have any relatives as useless as you, do you? 

You just keep embarrassing yourself.

5 minutes ago, Tenhigh said:

This is no better than the $#!/ @TB Bills is spewing. And it's against the TOS.

The truth is against TOS? The only time you people post here is when you're angry that things aren't going the way you want them to. You want failure yet it isn't happening, you wanted voter fraud... Didn't happen.

 

I know when the right extremists are angry b.c it's the only time they post here.

7 minutes ago, Tenhigh said:

What was extremist about that post? Have you ever considered that maybe some of your points of view can be considered extreme?  We should all cut the name calling $#!+ and try a little reasonable dialog.   

Read his post and tell me he doesn't hit extremism like it's his job. You are on the same side so cannot expect you to see it.

Edited January 21, 2021 by TBBills

[Tenhigh]

1 hour ago, TBBills said:

You just keep embarrassing yourself.

The truth is against TOS? The only time you people post here is when you're angry that things aren't going the way you want them to. You want failure yet it isn't happening, you wanted voter fraud... Didn't happen.

 

I know when the right extremists are angry b.c it's the only time they post here.

Read his post and tell me he doesn't hit extremism like it's his job. You are on the same side so cannot expect you to see it.

I haven't read many of big guns posts, but in this thread they are extreme and offensive, and I called him on it.  But so are yours on this part of TBD.  Accusing anyone who doesn't exactly agree with your opinion of the world of being a brainwashed terrorist it just a terrible way to communicate.  If you don't believe me, go through your last 100 posts on this board and count how many times you did it. It's a crusade (see TOS), but more than that, it's not healthy and bad for you, this board, and the tenor of discourse country.  I really think that you need some time away from this part of the board, man.  Give yourself a week, soak in some good vibes from the Bills, and be happy that a lot of what you want changed in the world is pointing in the direction that you want it to.

Edited January 21, 2021 by Tenhigh

[TBBills]

Did Trump even finish the wall? His legacy will forever be one of Terrorism, lies, and corruption. 

 

Tiger Joe didn't pay enough money for Trump to Pardon him. I heard Lil Wayne paid out the ass for his.

[daz28]

6 minutes ago, TBBills said:

Did Trump even finish the wall? His legacy will forever be one of Terrorism, lies, and corruption. 

 

Tiger Joe didn't pay enough money for Trump to Pardon him. I heard Lil Wayne paid out the ass for his.

Like Trump explained when he was running for president.  He didn't pay any taxes, because he's smart.  Well, a smart businessman gets the current rate for pardons.  Tiger Joe tried to lowball, and lost.  The Art of the Deal

[transplantbillsfan]

22 hours ago, billsfan89 said:

He will known as the Herbert Hoover of the pandemic along with a man who was such a sore loser he nearly overthrew the government.

 

Yep.

 

Trump's legacy will pretty much be as a 21st century Herbert Hoover

[TSOL]

16 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

Yep.

 

Trump's legacy will pretty much be as a 21st century Herbert Hoover

 

 

The dude did make some awesome vacuums though, gotta give him that. 

 

Hoover, not trump. 

[Tenhigh]

1 minute ago, TSOL said:

 

 

The dude did make some awesome vacuums though, gotta give him that. 

 

Hoover, not trump. 

But if Trump made a vacuum it would been UUUUGGGGEEEE....

[TSOL]

2 minutes ago, Tenhigh said:

But if Trump made a vacuum it would been UUUUGGGGEEEE....

 

 

The suckiest!

[Big Blitz]

This won't take long....back to the Middle East everyone!

 

 

 

[Backintheday544]

Biden just destroyed Trumps greatest legacy in the White House..... he removed Trumps Diet Coke button:

 

https://theweek.com/speedreads/962437/biden-removes-trumps-diet-coke-button-from-oval-office

[daz28]

33 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

This won't take long....back to the Middle East everyone!

 

 

 

In summary: Islamic terrorist bombing.  President CONSIDERS possible military action.  Con man's obnoxious kid retweets unsourced clown. Fish-mouthed man child tweets WERE AT WAR.  Other clowns retweet the clown's retweet.  Did I miss anything??

19 minutes ago, Backintheday544 said:

Biden just destroyed Trumps greatest legacy in the White House..... he removed Trumps Diet Coke button:

 

https://theweek.com/speedreads/962437/biden-removes-trumps-diet-coke-button-from-oval-office

 Summary:  Biden tweets: DIET COKE SUCKS!  EVERYBODY KNOWS IT!!  VERY BAD!!!!  Twitter bans Biden.  Democrats call it a disgrace to the 1st amendment, your guns are next.     PS if you REALLY want to lose some weight get off your fat butt, and get your own damn can of pop.   

[transplantbillsfan]

11 hours ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

 

Yes, I responded and deleted my reply an hour or two later.  It seemed pointless, and you seemed to be getting more amped up (that's a Transpy thing)  and I saw no point in proceeding on the terms you felt compelled to attempt to dictate.  Your post was a hodgepodge of opinion  masked as fact that you believe exposes the hypocrisy of the support for Trump.  I don't see it that way, but good for you. 

 

The difference with this post is that you seemed to be reaching for some sort of big picture view, it wasn't a post about finding any sort of common ground, and it is an interesting point.  Does that offend? 

 

Peace out.  

 

 

I'll just say I appreciate the response and move on if you so refuse to respond to those initial points while evidently expecting a response to these.

 

You respond to a post like this where (you think, at least) you have a strong response and then completely ignore the conversation where right now "doth protest too much."

 

You and I could be great representations of what should be happening over at that other board with all the posters who've fled for their echo chamber while kicking out all dissenting opinion.  Do you want to have a conversation?  Or do you want to win an argument?

 

I say that not because I believe most on this message board want to have a conversation.  I think almost anyone in a politics forum wants to win an argument.  And that includes everyone that's here at this moment and everyone who fled to the other board.  What was irritating to me over there was that every time I actually did a deep dive into the "voter fraud" that those posters over there presented, they ended up being accusations that were flawed, if not complete lies.

 

I'm here if you want to have a conversation.  I'm not like a lot of people on this board, though.  My responses aren't necessarily immediate because I just might not have the time.  But if it's you, I'll get back to you.

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

14 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

I'll just say I appreciate the response and move on if you so refuse to respond to those initial points while evidently expecting a response to these.

 

You respond to a post like this where (you think, at least) you have a strong response and then completely ignore the conversation where right now "doth protest too much."

 

You and I could be great representations of what should be happening over at that other board with all the posters who've fled for their echo chamber while kicking out all dissenting opinion.  Do you want to have a conversation?  Or do you want to win an argument?

 

I say that not because I believe most on this message board want to have a conversation.  I think almost anyone in a politics forum wants to win an argument.  And that includes everyone that's here at this moment and everyone who fled to the other board.  What was irritating to me over there was that every time I actually did a deep dive into the "voter fraud" that those posters over there presented, they ended up being accusations that were flawed, if not complete lies.

 

I'm here if you want to have a conversation.  I'm not like a lot of people on this board, though.  My responses aren't necessarily immediate because I just might not have the time.  But if it's you, I'll get back to you.

As I said in the other post, while I disagree with you and had no desire to allow you to set an agenda, I appreciate you as well. 

 

I'll get to the point:  I didn't post in this thread to ask a question, I posted to opine on DJTs legacy from my perspective.  It was your thread, you started it, you asked.  I thought it was a good thread.  

 

I'm not interested in winning an argument, and I'm under no illusion that anything I might share will suddenly convince you of the genius of my perspective.  The only point to be made here is that different people develop different opinions based on their personal experiences.  

 

At this point, it's Biden's turn to rule and he's off to a great start.  Masks for everyone, mostly.  No large gatherings, sorta.  No multiple family household intersectionalism, for the inconsequential folks in the heartland.  

 

Let's get to it.