Another rat caught

[Unforgiven]

https://www.axios.com/china-spy-california-politicians-9d2dfb99-f839-4e00-8bd8-59dec0daf589.html

 

Scream about Russia while colluding with China, nice

You can tell who the real dirty rats are....they protest the loudest.

Democrat party, raping and pillaging America, 2020

 

Edited December 9, 2020 by Unforgiven

[Tiberius]

9 minutes ago, Unforgiven said:

https://www.axios.com/china-spy-california-politicians-9d2dfb99-f839-4e00-8bd8-59dec0daf589.html

 

Scream about Russia while colluding with China, nice

You can tell who the real dirty rats are....they protest the loudest.

Democrat party, raping and pillaging America, 2020

 

Was this as big as that Russian women who infiltrated the NRA? 

[JaCrispy]

I would not be surprised if true...Socialist China and the socialist base of the Democrat party share a lot of similar interests and goals...

 

The whole Russia/Trump connection, however, never really made sense to me as Trump is more of a capitalist/nationalist and Russia is more socialist...

Edited December 9, 2020 by JaCrispy

[WEATHER DOT COM]

hmmm

 

 

• Swalwell immediately cut off all ties to Fang, according to a current U.S. intelligence official, and he has not been accused of any wrongdoing.

 

Dude can fart with the best of them, though.

 

1 minute ago, JaCrispy said:

I would not be surprised if true

 

It's 100% true - Read the article.

Edited December 9, 2020 by wAcKy ZeBrA

[Scraps]

39 minutes ago, Unforgiven said:

https://www.axios.com/china-spy-california-politicians-9d2dfb99-f839-4e00-8bd8-59dec0daf589.html

 

Scream about Russia while colluding with China, nice

You can tell who the real dirty rats are....they protest the loudest.

Democrat party, raping and pillaging America, 2020

 

 

Can't be true.  It comes from a fake news source.

[WEATHER DOT COM]

4 minutes ago, Scraps said:

 

Can't be true.  It comes from a fake news source.

 

Good point

[DrDawkinstein]

32 minutes ago, JaCrispy said:

I would not be surprised if true..Socialist China and the socialist base of the Democrat party share a lot of similar interests and goals...

 

The whole Russia/Trump connection, however, never really made sense to me as Trump is more of a capitalist/nationalist and Russia is more socialist...

 

Absolutely incorrect with those labels.

 

Russia hasnt been socialist/communist in decades. It is now rampant late stage Capitalist with just a few wealthy oligarchs controlling it.

 

Cmon man. Dont be so easily duped by how they want or choose to label themselves. Or, even worse, how youtubers label them.

 

 

Edited December 9, 2020 by DrDawkinstein

[JaCrispy]

1 hour ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Absolutely incorrect with those labels.

 

Russia hasnt been socialist/communist in decades. It is now rampant late stage Capitalist with just a few wealthy oligarchs controlling it.

 

Cmon man. Dont be so easily duped by how they want or choose to label themselves. Or, even worse, how youtubers label them.

 

 

Fair enough...but what about China being socialist, as well as the a Democrat base? I mean, they do call themselves Democrat Socialists...that would probably go a long way to explain why they both hate the individual liberties protected by our constitution, no?

Edited December 9, 2020 by JaCrispy

[DrDawkinstein]

1 hour ago, JaCrispy said:

Fair enough...but what about China being socialist, as well as the a Democrat base? I mean, they do call themselves Democrat Socialists...that would probably go a long way to explain why they both hate the individual liberties protected by our constitution, no?

 

I mean, as pretty much a Social Democrat (or Democratic Socialist) myself... how dare you? How do I even respond to that? Why would you assume that I, and plenty of other Americans, "hate the individual liberties protected by our constitution"? I'm guessing because some youtube video told you that.

 

Gov. James Cox who ran for President in 1920 with FDR as his VP, and who started what is now Cox Enterprises, a $20Billion annual revenue company, was a Social Democrat. He didnt "hate liberties protected by the constitution", nor did he hate capiltalism (as evidenced by his wildly successful companies).

 

FDR was not against our constitution either. His New Deal simply helped provide Americans with a safety net because we can afford it, and the more people we protect from poverty, the better our entire country does.

 

Neither is Bernie, or AOC, or anyone else the propaganda wants you to believe is a boogeyman.

 

They were/are all for making sure that as our country grew and progressed, so would the Quality of Life for our citizens.

 

NO ONE in our government is Socialist. Social Democrat (or Democratic Socialist) does not equal Socialism, just because they both have "social" in their name. You need to do some basic research and even simply Google the definition of Socialism before talking like that. If you did, you would see it is obvious no one is arguing for "the means of production to be owned by the people".

 

Rather, Social Democrats are simply in favor of making sure our taxes actually buy/provide us things we need instead of being wasted on tanks we dont need or hoarded by the 1%. We are already paying for things, we just want what we are paying for. If we truly are the richest country in the world, we should be able to provide the basics to our citizens as a safety net considering almost every other developed western country does it without issue.

 

China is a tough one. Like Russia, and North Korea, and even the Nazis, they call themselves one thing that sounds good to their people, but in reality act a different way. Plus, we dont have any trustworthy information on what they do or how they do it. It seems to be far more Authoritarian Communism than Socialism. And certainly not Democratic Socialism since they do not have a Democracy.

 

edit: I'd also like to add that nowhere in the US Constitution, Declaration of Independence, nor any of our founding documents is capitalism even identified. Nor any other theory of economics. So arguing that social programs, or even outright Socialism is against our Constitution, is wrong. As is arguing that pure Capitalism is our decreed method.

 

Edited December 9, 2020 by DrDawkinstein

[Plano]

LOLOLOLOLOLOL

 

aXiOs SaId...

 

 

foh 

[DrDawkinstein]

2 hours ago, JaCrispy said:

Fair enough...but what about China being socialist, as well as the a Democrat base? I mean, they do call themselves Democrat Socialists...that would probably go a long way to explain why they both hate the individual liberties protected by our constitution, no?

 

I'll play. Specifically which liberties protected by our constitution do the liberal democratic base "hate"?

[Warcodered]

2 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

I mean, as pretty much a Social Democrat (or Democratic Socialist) myself... how dare you? How do I even respond to that? Why would you assume that I, and plenty of other Americans, "hate the individual liberties protected by our constitution"? I'm guessing because some youtube video told you that.

 

Gov. James Cox who ran for President in 1920 with FDR as his VP, and who started what is now Cox Enterprises, a $20Billion annual revenue company, was a Social Democrat. He didnt "hate liberties protected by the constitution", nor did he hate capiltalism (as evidenced by his wildly successful companies).

 

FDR was not against our constitution either. His New Deal simply helped provide Americans with a safety net because we can afford it, and the more people we protect from poverty, the better our entire country does.

 

Neither is Bernie, or AOC, or anyone else the propaganda wants you to believe is a boogeyman.

 

They were/are all for making sure that as our country grew and progressed, so would the Quality of Life for our citizens.

 

NO ONE in our government is Socialist. Social Democrat (or Democratic Socialist) does not equal Socialism, just because they both have "social" in their name. You need to do some basic research and even simply Google the definition of Socialism before talking like that. If you did, you would see it is obvious no one is arguing for "the means of production to be owned by the people".

 

Rather, Social Democrats are simply in favor of making sure our taxes actually buy/provide us things we need instead of being wasted on tanks we dont need or hoarded by the 1%. We are already paying for things, we just want what we are paying for. If we truly are the richest country in the world, we should be able to provide the basics to our citizens as a safety net considering almost every other developed western country does it without issue.

 

China is a tough one. Like Russia, and North Korea, and even the Nazis, they call themselves one thing that sounds good to their people, but in reality act a different way. Plus, we dont have any trustworthy information on what they do or how they do it. It seems to be far more Authoritarian Communism than Socialism. And certainly not Democratic Socialism since they do not have a Democracy.

 

edit: I'd also like to add that nowhere in the US Constitution, Declaration of Independence, nor any of our founding documents is capitalism even identified. Nor any other theory of economics. So arguing that social programs, or even outright Socialism is against our Constitution, is wrong. As is arguing that pure Capitalism is our decreed method.

 

It is honestly such a failing morally/ethically/governing not politically for Republicans to use this crutch of labeling all social reforms as Communism/socialist. I mean what is it they're striving for? Not be Communist, cut taxes.

 

Same with gun control they use this big boogeyman of Democrats taking your guns away when the majority of the country would agree we need stricter gun control.

[The Frankish Reich]

Here's all I have to say to Representative Swalwell, he of the (no doubt continuing) presidential ambitions:

 

Was she worth it?

 

Because I'm not seeing it.

[Teddy KGB]

Lmao at dead ass PPP.    

 

We got Zebra rushing in to get Swalwells back 😩😩😩

 

The spy who shagged me 🗣🗣🗣😂😂😂

[TBBills]

I thought Unforgiven was finally about to tell us all he was a dirty rat for posting all that bad information.

[Wacka]

Swalwell was a town councilman in Dublin,CA when I lived there I honestly don't remember him. How the hell did he get to be a Rep.? Could it be help for the ChiComs?

[SoTier]

21 hours ago, Scraps said:

 

Can't be true.  It comes from a fake news source.

 

Isn't it remarkable that "fake news" sources suddenly become "real news" sources when they post a story that the Trumplicans like?

 

 

20 hours ago, JaCrispy said:

Fair enough...but what about China being socialist, as well as the a Democrat base? I mean, they do call themselves Democrat Socialists...that would probably go a long way to explain why they both hate the individual liberties protected by our constitution, no?

 

Bull manure.  Democratic socialism has nothing to do with hating "individual liberties protected by our constitution".    Democratic socialism advocates for social programs  that benefit most Americans, regardless of their political or economic persuasion.   Both Social Security and Medicare are "socialistic" programs that have been around for more than half a century.  How do they infringe on any "individual liberty" except for preventing the elderly from the "individual liberty" to starve or die from lack of medical care?  

 

Take your stupid self to a real library and read some books on history, economics, and social policy instead of getting your "knowledge" from liars, con artists, and nutcases on right wing propaganda sites.

 

19 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

I mean, as pretty much a Social Democrat (or Democratic Socialist) myself... how dare you? How do I even respond to that? Why would you assume that I, and plenty of other Americans, "hate the individual liberties protected by our constitution"? I'm guessing because some youtube video told you that.

 

Gov. James Cox who ran for President in 1920 with FDR as his VP, and who started what is now Cox Enterprises, a $20Billion annual revenue company, was a Social Democrat. He didnt "hate liberties protected by the constitution", nor did he hate capiltalism (as evidenced by his wildly successful companies).

 

FDR was not against our constitution either. His New Deal simply helped provide Americans with a safety net because we can afford it, and the more people we protect from poverty, the better our entire country does.

 

Neither is Bernie, or AOC, or anyone else the propaganda wants you to believe is a boogeyman.

 

They were/are all for making sure that as our country grew and progressed, so would the Quality of Life for our citizens.

 

NO ONE in our government is Socialist. Social Democrat (or Democratic Socialist) does not equal Socialism, just because they both have "social" in their name. You need to do some basic research and even simply Google the definition of Socialism before talking like that. If you did, you would see it is obvious no one is arguing for "the means of production to be owned by the people".

 

Rather, Social Democrats are simply in favor of making sure our taxes actually buy/provide us things we need instead of being wasted on tanks we dont need or hoarded by the 1%. We are already paying for things, we just want what we are paying for. If we truly are the richest country in the world, we should be able to provide the basics to our citizens as a safety net considering almost every other developed western country does it without issue.

 

China is a tough one. Like Russia, and North Korea, and even the Nazis, they call themselves one thing that sounds good to their people, but in reality act a different way. Plus, we dont have any trustworthy information on what they do or how they do it. It seems to be far more Authoritarian Communism than Socialism. And certainly not Democratic Socialism since they do not have a Democracy.

 

edit: I'd also like to add that nowhere in the US Constitution, Declaration of Independence, nor any of our founding documents is capitalism even identified. Nor any other theory of economics. So arguing that social programs, or even outright Socialism is against our Constitution, is wrong. As is arguing that pure Capitalism is our decreed method.

 

 

Perfectly said.   Thank you.

 

 

[Q-baby!]

On 12/9/2020 at 11:20 AM, Unforgiven said:

https://www.axios.com/china-spy-california-politicians-9d2dfb99-f839-4e00-8bd8-59dec0daf589.html

 

Scream about Russia while colluding with China, nice

You can tell who the real dirty rats are....they protest the loudest.

Democrat party, raping and pillaging America, 2020

 

Interesting! 😂😂😂

[DrDawkinstein]

21 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

I'll play. Specifically which liberties protected by our constitution do the liberal democratic base "hate"?

 

Still waiting on a reply from @JaCrispy here.

Edited December 10, 2020 by DrDawkinstein
stupid autofill

[Plano]

4 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Still waiting on a replay from @JaCrispy here.

I'll summarize several words from his reply:

 

"buh gawd, damn commies, china, plandemic, maga, hamberders, dementia, swamp, stolen, fixed, dominion, parler, newsmax" 

 

 

[SoCal Deek]

6 hours ago, Wacka said:

Swalwell was a town councilman in Dublin,CA when I lived there I honestly don't remember him. How the hell did he get to be a Rep.? Could it be help for the ChiComs?

Any idiot can get elected to the House. Each seat represents a very small number of voters.

[SoTier]

17 hours ago, SoCal Deek said:

Any idiot can get elected to the House. Each seat represents a very small number of voters.

 

The average Congressional district has a population of about 711,000 people.   About 60% of the US population is over the age of 18, so there are about 425,000 people over 18 in each Congressional District.  Most of them are citizens, and more than half are likely to be registered and actually vote.  That's not a "very small number of voters".

[SoCal Deek]

5 hours ago, SoTier said:

 

The average Congressional district has a population of about 711,000 people.   About 60% of the US population is over the age of 18, so there are about 425,000 people over 18 in each Congressional District.  Most of them are citizens, and more than half are likely to be registered and actually vote.  That's not a "very small number of voters".

I live in Southern California.  That's nothing more than an average sub-division.  It's all relative.

[T master]

On 12/9/2020 at 11:25 AM, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Absolutely incorrect with those labels.

 

Russia hasnt been socialist/communist in decades. It is now rampant late stage Capitalist with just a few wealthy oligarchs controlling it.

 

Cmon man. Dont be so easily duped by how they want or choose to label themselves. Or, even worse, how youtubers label them.

 

 

 

I'd dare say if you went to Russia and started speaking out loudly against Putin we would 🤔 well no we wouldn't here or see just how communist Russia gov't still is  they just do a better job of trying to hide it .

[Warcodered]

6 hours ago, T master said:

 

I'd dare say if you went to Russia and started speaking out loudly against Putin we would 🤔 well no we wouldn't here or see just how communist Russia gov't still is  they just do a better job of trying to hide it .

That's not communism/socialism seriously it's a country that doesn't actually have freedom of speech. Now Communist countries have historically not had free speech but the two things aren't exclusive to each other.

[DrDawkinstein]

23 hours ago, T master said:

 

I'd dare say if you went to Russia and started speaking out loudly against Putin we would 🤔 well no we wouldn't here or see just how communist Russia gov't still is  they just do a better job of trying to hide it .

 

That isnt Communism. That is Authoritarianism. Which can happen under any economy. Which also shows how warped and misinformed most Americans are when it comes to economic theories.

[SoTier]

16 hours ago, Warcodered said:

That's not communism/socialism seriously it's a country that doesn't actually have freedom of speech. Now Communist countries have historically not had free speech but the two things aren't exclusive to each other.

 

Exactly.  Socialism has actually proven it's not incompatible with democratic institutions.  Most Western European nations currently have or have had democratic socialist governments since World War II.  Some of those countries have swapped socialist and conservative regimes more than once without losing their democratic political systems.  Modern democratic socialism stresses providing supports for the bottom tier of society via taxes on the upper tiers of society because socialists realize that a society where a tiny percentage of the populace are extremely rich while most struggle economically isn't compatible with democratic political institutions.

[T master]

45 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

That isnt Communism. That is Authoritarianism. Which can happen under any economy. Which also shows how warped and misinformed most Americans are when it comes to economic theories.

 

In theory .

[DrDawkinstein]

1 hour ago, T master said:

 

In theory .

 

Any theory can be used to fool the people into allowing Authoritarians into power. The thing is, historically, it has typically been communism and socialism since their selling points are "for the people".

 

Currently, we're seeing for the first time, Capitalism being used to allow an Authoritarian regime. The GOP have their base misinformed and fooled enough to go against their own best interests and believing that citizens dying and having to wait hours in miles long food lines is being a good citizen "for the economy". They have their base fooled into thinking they aren't poor, they are simply potential millionaires who havent hit it big yet. Little do they realize it will never happen, as they continue to give skin from the backs of the middle class to our ultra-wealthy class. And they are attempting to tear down our democracy and everything it stands for in the name of an Authoritarian Demagogue.

[SoCal Deek]

6 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Any theory can be used to fool the people into allowing Authoritarians into power. The thing is, historically, it has typically been communism and socialism since their selling points are "for the people".

 

Currently, we're seeing for the first time, Capitalism being used to allow an Authoritarian regime. The GOP have their base misinformed and fooled enough to go against their own best interests and believing that citizens dying and having to wait hours in miles long food lines is being a good citizen "for the economy". They have their base fooled into thinking they aren't poor, they are simply potential millionaires who havent hit it big yet. Little do they realize it will never happen, as they continue to give skin from the backs of the middle class to our ultra-wealthy class. And they are attempting to tear down our democracy and everything it stands for in the name of an Authoritarian Demagogue.

Oh brother! And you know all of this how exactly? You read it in a college textbook? In recent years, the largest wealth accumulation hasn’t occurred in sweat shops. It’s been made by people who’ve invented something that can be used on the internet. 

Edited December 14, 2020 by SoCal Deek

[Wacka]

Shut up you stinking Commie leftists.

[BillStime]

On 12/9/2020 at 11:20 AM, Unforgiven said:

https://www.axios.com/china-spy-california-politicians-9d2dfb99-f839-4e00-8bd8-59dec0daf589.html

 

Scream about Russia while colluding with China, nice

You can tell who the real dirty rats are....they protest the loudest.

Democrat party, raping and pillaging America, 2020

 

Russia Russia Russia

 

What happened?

[Warcodered]

3 hours ago, BillStime said:

Russia Russia Russia

 

What happened?

They hacked us?

[SoTier]

11 hours ago, Wacka said:

Shut up you stinking Commie leftists.

 

Two can play the name-calling game, you stinking Facist pig.

[SoCal Deek]

1 hour ago, SoTier said:

 

Two can play the name-calling game, you stinking Facist pig.

This one never makes sense to me. American Conservatives are best defined as people with a desire for LESS, not more central control. Not sure how that makes them fascists. 

[Wacka]

26 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

This one never makes sense to me. American Conservatives are best defined as people with a desire for LESS, not more central control. Not sure how that makes them fascists. 

Because we stand up to real fascists  and dislike libs.

[WEATHER DOT COM]

4 minutes ago, Wacka said:

Because we stand up to real fascists  and dislike libs.

 

lol

13 hours ago, Wacka said:

Shut up you stinking Commie leftists.

 

LOL

[SoTier]

23 minutes ago, Wacka said:

Because we stand up to real fascists  and dislike libs.

 

No, you-- ie, self-described "conservatives" --  talk about "freedom" but you don't practice it.  Wannabe Dictator Trump repeatedly threatened to use federal forces against protestors in various cities this past summer; he actually did use federal forces to clear peaceful protestors from in front of the White House so he could stage a photo-op; he's repeatedly called for arresting his political opponents.   How many prominent supposed "conservatives" challenged the Fascist in Chief on any of those actions?    About the same number that have challenged him on his continuing attempts to steal the presidential election that he lost by 7 million popular votes and 36 electoral votes.  

 

Lie to yourself about your devotion to "American freedoms" and "the Constitution" , but don't come here blathering about it when you support destroying American democratic institutions and processes in blind devotion to a would-be dictator and expect nobody to call you on your hypocrisy.

 

[JaCrispy]

A well balanced society requires both conservatives and liberals to work together in order to succeed...

 

You need liberals to be innovative, and to reveal possible new fixes to societal problems...and you need conservatives to make sure society doesn’t go off a cliff, and holds onto traditions that have proven effective.

 

The hard part is finding and maintaining that balance...but it starts with civil discourse, not mutually assured destruction...

Edited December 15, 2020 by JaCrispy

[SoCal Deek]

1 minute ago, JaCrispy said:

A well balanced society requires both conservatives and liberals to work together in order to succeed...

 

You need liberals to be innovative, and to reveal possible new fixes to societal problems...and you need conservatives to make sure society doesn’t go off a cliff, and holds onto traditions that have proven effective.

Very, very well said.  We definitely need both.