Week 13: Bills at 49ers on MNF (in Arizona)

[finn]

1 minute ago, YoloinOhio said:

Maybe they are just stuck in their little nfc west bubble. I remember how Pete Carroll was shocked the bills decided to throw the ball all over. 

Or they could just be reading the usual narratives about Allen being inaccurate, inconsistent, wild, etc. 

[Warcodered]

4 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Sorry if Yolo has already linked this but:

 

The team is 8-3.  The offense is #10.  The QB is top 10 in every category. 

 

What exactly WERE you expecting dude?

Maybe he was expecting more of Josh's run and gun style from the last few years, he's been throwing a lot more from the pocket.

[Bferra13]

7 minutes ago, Richard Noggin said:

 

This kind of thing feeds the narrative some of our more insecure fans keep pushing...that the team doesn't get its due respect nationally, yada yada.

 

Well, when its true, its true. Its not like this was some opinion piece. It was a freakin quote from their DC.

[The Wiz]

58 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

The swigs of red hots makes this for me.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

48 minutes ago, Richard Noggin said:

 

This kind of thing feeds the narrative some of our more insecure fans keep pushing...that the team doesn't get its due respect nationally, yada yada.

 

I dunno about "narrative insecure fans keep pushing"

 

In the Pat Mcafee show posted in another thread, Mcafee asks Josh "There hasn't been a lot of chatter about the Bills this year" 

Josh says "We like that".  Watch his facial expressions:

 

I don't think it's just "fan insecurity", I think we like being the underdog, the disregarded swordsman who can rise up and sweep off heads with one swing of that samurai sword.

Buffalo vs Everybody man!  I like it like that!

Or for the traditionalist , Here and now let's get this straight

 

40 minutes ago, Bferra13 said:

 

Well, when its true, its true. Its not like this was some opinion piece. It was a freakin quote from their DC.

 

Exactly.  I mean I get it, they focus in on their next opponent, but I would assume part of the game prep would be starting with a bit of statistical summary on that next team.  And the part about "like a Wildcat offense" is a bit bizarre to me.

[Big Turk]

51 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Sorry if Yolo has already linked this but:

 

The team is 8-3.  The offense is #10.  The QB is top 10 in every category. 

 

What exactly WERE you expecting dude?

 

Edit: here is a transcript of his follow up comments on Allen courtesy of 49erswebzone

 

When you said that Buffalo Bills QB Josh Allen is a problem and he jumped off the film and it surprised you, did he surprise you in a way, I guess, that he's more of a passer and more of an accurate passer than just kind of a guy that's going to tuck it and run?

"Yeah, he's like a young [New England Patriots QB] Cam Newton. Obviously, Cam can still throw and still do all that stuff, but he's a load to tackle. They run him, I mean, it's basically like Wildcat offense. They're doing a lot of you just snap the ball, run power with him which is surprising. More guts than I would with a franchise quarterback, but he makes it work. He drops back to pass. He has tremendous pocket presence and he'll sit in the pocket. It's not like he's looking to run out of there. He will go through his progressions. When it's time to scramble he's not scrambling to run, he's scrambling to throw, but if it all breaks down, he'll still run. He gains ground in a hurry. He's extremely fast, very agile, very mobile. He is hard to bring down because he's such a bigger body, but he is talented. He can throw the ball on his back foot just as far as [Kansas City Chiefs QB Patrick] Mahomes, I bet, and he's got the receivers to throw to. So, an extremely talented group and like I said, Brian's doing a phenomenal job putting them in position to be successful."

 

I'm actually pretty surprised by this description, because I wouldn't have called the Bills offense anything like "Wildcat offense" and I actually don't see us running power with Josh Allen that often 🤷‍♂️ this season

 

The rest of it - that he's got good pocket presence and scrambles to throw - seems appropriate.

 

He is referring to the QB Power they run as similar to the Wildcat where Allen catches the snap and then takes off on a sweep...it does look like a Wildcat run that I've seen run before.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

2 minutes ago, matter2003 said:

 

He is referring to the QB Power they run as similar to the Wildcat where Allen catches the snap and then takes off on a sweep...it does look like a Wildcat run that I've seen run before.

 

OK, so instead of referring to the Bills offense as a "wildcat offense", you think he's specifically referring to specific run plays?  That would make more sense.

 

The thing is, we don't run them that often?

[Warcodered]

1 minute ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

OK, so instead of referring to the Bills offense as a "wildcat offense", you think he's specifically referring to specific run plays?  That would make more sense.

 

The thing is, we don't run them that often?

Maybe he just watched the first Jets game Josh ran more in that one right?

[Big Turk]

2 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

OK, so instead of referring to the Bills offense as a "wildcat offense", you think he's specifically referring to specific run plays?  That would make more sense.

 

The thing is, we don't run them that often?

 

He was specifically referring to the QB Power we run, aka the sweep Allen runs with 3 pulling linemen out in front, which is similar to a wildcat play where the player catches the snap and immediately either runs up the middle or in some cases they run a sweep like that.

Edited December 5, 2020 by matter2003

[eball]

I just freaking love that we have a QB who other DCs call “a problem.”

[Blank Stare]

1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

Sorry if Yolo has already linked this but:

 

As absurd as this and his extended comments on the offense were, is this really that far fetched? Being serious, no jerk. In fairness to him, they only have to play the Bills once every 4 years. It’s conceivable they’ve watched zero tape on the Bills and Allen until prepping for this game and he was going off the same old fly-by lazy media driven narrative. Unlike a division or conference game, why would he waste his time watching Bills tape until now?

Edited December 5, 2020 by TheProcess

[White Linen]

5 minutes ago, TheProcess said:

As absurd as this and his extended comments on the offense were, is this really that far fetched? Being serious, no jerk. In fairness to him, they only have to play the Bills once every 4 years. It’s conceivable they’ve watched zero tape on the Bills and Allen until prepping for this game and he was going off the same old fly-by lazy media driven narrative. Unlike a division or conference game, why would he waste his time watching Bills tape until now?

 

Well if he was just believing the lazy media driven narrative than he's an idiot.  If you're a DC and somewhat unaware of Josh Allen who's on your schedule, then you're an even bigger idiot.

[BillsFan619]

5 hours ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said:

Josh Allen needs just 62 passing yards to surpass his passing yardage total for all of 2019. 👀

That's pretty encouraging considering the tougher competition and having a little under a 1/3 of the season left. Woohoo!!!

[BillsFan619]

For the people that are smarter than me, what are some key player to player matchups that could determine the outcome of the game?

Edited December 5, 2020 by BillsFan619

[Big Turk]

1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Sorry if Yolo has already linked this but:

 

The team is 8-3.  The offense is #10.  The QB is top 10 in every category. 

 

What exactly WERE you expecting dude?

 

Edit: here is a transcript of his follow up comments on Allen courtesy of 49erswebzone

 

When you said that Buffalo Bills QB Josh Allen is a problem and he jumped off the film and it surprised you, did he surprise you in a way, I guess, that he's more of a passer and more of an accurate passer than just kind of a guy that's going to tuck it and run?

"Yeah, he's like a young [New England Patriots QB] Cam Newton. Obviously, Cam can still throw and still do all that stuff, but he's a load to tackle. They run him, I mean, it's basically like Wildcat offense. They're doing a lot of you just snap the ball, run power with him which is surprising. More guts than I would with a franchise quarterback, but he makes it work. He drops back to pass. He has tremendous pocket presence and he'll sit in the pocket. It's not like he's looking to run out of there. He will go through his progressions. When it's time to scramble he's not scrambling to run, he's scrambling to throw, but if it all breaks down, he'll still run. He gains ground in a hurry. He's extremely fast, very agile, very mobile. He is hard to bring down because he's such a bigger body, but he is talented. He can throw the ball on his back foot just as far as [Kansas City Chiefs QB Patrick] Mahomes, I bet, and he's got the receivers to throw to. So, an extremely talented group and like I said, Brian's doing a phenomenal job putting them in position to be successful."

 

I'm actually pretty surprised by this description, because I wouldn't have called the Bills offense anything like "Wildcat offense" and I actually don't see us running power with Josh Allen that often 🤷‍♂️ this season

 

The rest of it - that he's got good pocket presence and scrambles to throw - seems appropriate.

 

He is far more accurate now than Newton ever was...in Newton's last year in Carolina where he had a really high completion rate it was because he was throwing checkdowns all day to McCaffery. Allen is still throwing the ball downfield with a completion percentage at 69%. That is REALLY good..especially considering Allen has one of the higher drop percentages in the league as well...

[Hapless Bills Fan]

9 hours ago, The Wiz said:

The swigs of red hots makes this for me.

 

I kinda like the part about what are you drinking, grass juice with mud? as the SF guy quickly sets his square bottle of brown juice off screen....

14 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

 

We really need a little heart emoji reaction 🥰

[Brian3488]

How come we are just +1 favorites?

[Mr. WEO]

9 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Sorry if Yolo has already linked this but:

 

The team is 8-3.  The offense is #10.  The QB is top 10 in every category. 

 

What exactly WERE you expecting dude?

 

 

 

 

This chump is absolutely ready to be the next Lions HC....

[Hapless Bills Fan]

8 hours ago, TheProcess said:

As absurd as this and his extended comments on the offense were, is this really that far fetched? Being serious, no jerk. In fairness to him, they only have to play the Bills once every 4 years. It’s conceivable they’ve watched zero tape on the Bills and Allen until prepping for this game and he was going off the same old fly-by lazy media driven narrative. Unlike a division or conference game, why would he waste his time watching Bills tape until now?

 

I guess I assumed that there was some kind of professional chat between coaches and staff, or players who are former teammates, that would be more reliable than said fly-by media narrative.  But looking at the 49ers roster, I don't see any familiar names who used to be here, so maybe that pipeline is thin (which probably means the reverse is true also).

 

Also thought coaches watched special games like Thanksgiving just as fans, but maybe super-focused ones don't, and Josh didn't show to advantage in our one evening game this year against the Titans so...

 

So you could have a point where maybe the vague background noise of the media, which went flying off the Bills to go buzz around the Dolphins PDQ, is all his exposure to us and to Allen.

 

 

[YoloinOhio]