Hapless Bills Fan Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 Josh was asked post-game about the challenge of having Feliciano, who hadn't played at all preseason or this season, slide over to Center. He said he hadn't taken a snap with him in practice. His answer was that they get along really well (or are really comfortable) off the field and that translates onto the field. I was wondering if anyone who's played or who knows someone who's played QB or center could comment on why getting along or being comfortable with someone would help the QB-center exchange? I would have thought it would be a physical skill that like any other physical skill, takes practice to perfect? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wvbillsfan Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 I played a little qb all the way till senior year in high school. It’s not bad if the center snaps or the same way. Some centers at least at lower levels turn the ball as the snap it with the ends of the ball facing the sidelines. Haven’t seen that in the pros Most centers just snap straight back with the ends of the ball facing each end zone Under center I never had to adjust really. Shotgun is a different animal entirely tho. Different guys send the ball at different speeds and some aren’t very consistent with where it goes. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 Because he has to jam his knuckle in his perineum. I'm guessing a previous comfort level would be an advantage there ; -) 2 10 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillzFreak Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 So was it Josh's call to have mongo move to center? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted November 2, 2020 Author Share Posted November 2, 2020 27 minutes ago, BillzFreak said: So was it Josh's call to have mongo move to center? No idea. No reason to say, though someone may ask Daboll tomorrow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClemsonBills Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 It matters. This is coming from someone who played center. Gotta have that trust 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 36 minutes ago, Simon said: Because he has to jam his knuckle in his perineum. I'm guessing a previous comfort level would be an advantage there ; -) You beat me to it. I was going to substitute "taint", but correct Latin anatomical terms always encouraged. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmy10 Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 (edited) Didn’t play football, but I played catcher in baseball in high school. The center-QB relationship has always struck me as being very similar to the catcher-pitcher relationship. It’s definitely to your benefit to know each other’s tendencies and develop good chemistry. Non-verbal cues are also way easier when you know each other well. Edited November 2, 2020 by jimmy10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharky7337 Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 My best friend was quarterback and I played OL (guard tackle) and I think if he put his hands in my taint it was still awkward. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsherd Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 3 minutes ago, Sharky7337 said: My best friend was quarterback and I played OL (guard tackle) and I think if he put his hands in my taint it was still awkward. You didn't like it? Did it cause more fumbles? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 12 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Josh was asked post-game about the challenge of having Feliciano, who hadn't played at all preseason or this season, slide over to Center. He said he hadn't taken a snap with him in practice. His answer was that they get along really well (or are really comfortable) off the field and that translates onto the field. I was wondering if anyone who's played or who knows someone who's played QB or center could comment on why getting along or being comfortable with someone would help the QB-center exchange? I would have thought it would be a physical skill that like any other physical skill, takes practice to perfect? This explains why Bates was pulled. Josh just felt more comfortable with Mongo snapping to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted November 2, 2020 Author Share Posted November 2, 2020 1 minute ago, Doc said: This explains why Bates was pulled. Josh just felt more comfortable with Mongo snapping to him. I don't think it's all on Josh's "comfort level". A lot of the job of the center is between the ears, and I think Feliciano >> Bates there. He's also much fiercer. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delirious Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 1 minute ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: I don't think it's all on Josh's "comfort level". A lot of the job of the center is between the ears, and I think Feliciano >> Bates there. He's also much fiercer. This ^. I think I saw a breakdown between Cover1 and Eric Wood. Wood explained that sometimes QBs call protections or the center would. He said in his case, he was calling the protections at the line for Tyrod. And I think that's the case here, I haven't read anywhere where Josh has had line protection call duties (maybe it could be shared idk). Seems to me Mitch Morse handled those duties and Feliciano is probably more versed than Bates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 4 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: I don't think it's all on Josh's "comfort level". A lot of the job of the center is between the ears, and I think Feliciano >> Bates there. He's also much fiercer. We'll agree to disagree. Bates' only action in the game was that first drive after Morse went down, and the team proceeded to drive 64 yards and score a TD. And the combination of Feliciano at LG and Bates at C is better than Boettger at LG and Feliciano at C. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Hammersticks Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 1 minute ago, Doc said: We'll agree to disagree. Bates' only action in the game was that first drive after Morse went down, and the team proceeded to drive 64 yards and score a TD. And the combination of Feliciano at LG and Bates at C is better than Boettger at LG and Feliciano at C. I would tend to agree with this, but I’m no expert on o-line play. Bates looked just fine at C, and the Feliciano/Dawkins combo on the left side is absolutely ferocious. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 (edited) 14 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Josh was asked post-game about the challenge of having Feliciano, who hadn't played at all preseason or this season, slide over to Center. He said he hadn't taken a snap with him in practice. His answer was that they get along really well (or are really comfortable) off the field and that translates onto the field. I was wondering if anyone who's played or who knows someone who's played QB or center could comment on why getting along or being comfortable with someone would help the QB-center exchange? I would have thought it would be a physical skill that like any other physical skill, takes practice to perfect? Played Center a through SOPH Season, then kicked out to LT. The Exchange is more important under center, not in Shotgun. So in Shotgun as long as the center is consistent nothing matters. Under Center I noticed QBs tend to stay at the exchange point just a bit longer with a new center, which can slow the timing behind him down a bit, but if the new center has a consistent snap point, it doesnt take long to adjust. It is when the Center has a much different snap point that becomes the problem. Now does any of that HS Experience translate to the NFL, (I am not sure) Edited November 2, 2020 by MAJBobby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Hammersticks Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 Very interesting 🤔 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob in STL Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 (edited) 14 hours ago, ClemsonBills said: It matters. This is coming from someone who played center. Gotta have that trust Agree. I played some center. There, is timing, feel ( no jokes) and trust on assignments and line calls. In the shotgun it makes a bigger difference in accuracy and speed. Edited November 2, 2020 by Bob in STL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted November 2, 2020 Author Share Posted November 2, 2020 10 minutes ago, Johnny Hammersticks said: Very interesting 🤔 How can I put this politely: PFF does some things well. Grading offensive line isn't one of those things. Grading individual players on offensive line without knowledge of their actual assignment on each play, is a total joke. Eric Wood did a piece on this shortly after he retired where he went through a couple of plays and explained what they really were and how they were graded by the analytics folks and how far off it was from the coaches internal evaluation. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Hammersticks Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 14 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: How can I put this politely: PFF does some things well. Grading offensive line isn't one of those things. Grading individual players on offensive line without knowledge of their actual assignment on each play, is a total joke. Eric Wood did a piece on this shortly after he retired where he went through a couple of plays and explained what they really were and how they were graded by the analytics folks and how far off it was from the coaches internal evaluation. I am aware of the flaws of PFF grades, but I did not know about the challenges of grading the offensive linemen based on what you describe here. Thank you for sharing. Still, I find it interesting that Boettger (not Feliciano or Dawkins) graded the highest. I didn’t even really notice Boettger yesterday, while I did notice Feliciano, Dawkins and even Winters making several outstanding plays. Maybe not an accurate ranking, but perhaps a sign that he didn’t make too many glaring mistakes. It was very nice to see the line FINALLY get some push and win many of those battles in the trenches yesterday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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