Back2Buff Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 8 minutes ago, Muppy said: I wouldnt have a problem with that at all in fact it seems very reasonable to me. Except if you are a snowbird and don't physically live in your registered state during the election then what......or if your health precludes you from going to a polling place...lots of good reasons to allow mail in voting exist. There has to be a compromise of some sort possible to satisfy the majority of voters. And if nothing else this election will bring forth changes I think that's a near lock. Well if you health prevents you from getting to a polling station, you would be considered disabled in terms of this process. If you are in another state during the voting month, make a time to come back to vote, or change your polling location before the election. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 10 minutes ago, aristocrat said: lol..."plot twist" The number doesn't matter. It's where those votes are coming from: all mail-ins from the twi big urban areas. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 3 minutes ago, LeGOATski said: lol..."plot twist" The number doesn't matter. It's where those votes are coming from: all mail-ins from the twi big urban areas. Seems contradictory... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Backintheday544 Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 23 minutes ago, Back2Buff said: The only mail in voting that should be going on is if your are disabled, or if you are in the military. You want to vote, get to your polling station. I have no problem keeping polling stations opened for a month, but you should have to be in person, with id to cast a vote. That doesn’t work for someone like me. During the last quarter of the year, I’m usually traveling for work. For example, if it was not for COVID, I was scheduled to speak in New Hampshire on the 3rd. I have no control over where I’ll be when. I’ve voted via mail the past 4 elections. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SectionC3 Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 28 minutes ago, Muppy said: Very refreshing to see a civil discourse in here today regardless oh which candidate you voted for. Some salient points on both sides. I love the idea of making the presidential election a national holiday so people have the option of voting at any time vs only when they aren't on the clock. I do think there needs to be a consensus on wether or not votes by mail need be received by the day of the election. If you vote late and your vote isn't counted that's on YOU my friend. If you were so late in filling it out you take your ballot to the polls and drop it off or stand in line and vote traditionally Perhaps making votes by mail countable before the election to hasten the process should also be a national mandate? The reasons why Trump conceivably lost this election will be ongoing but I think "voter fraud" is a poor response to the loss of a hardly fought election much like the reported actions of the POTUS last night when he declared victory and accused the election of being stolen....again IMO not a great look. New York State has allowed absentees to arrive via mail up to about a week after the election (provided the ballots are postmarked by the day of the election). It’s never been an issue until this whole “voter fraud” con got started a few months ago. In point of fact allowing that time for the ballots to arrive ensures that few, if any, voters are disenfranchised by a delay in “the mail.” It’s also particularly helpful with respect to overseas military ballots, which frequently arrive late. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCOrange Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 22 minutes ago, nkreed said: With the amount of problems that can happen in the postal service, I respectfully disagree that votes must have been received by the deadline. I believe that requiring your mail in ballot be received by the election there are too many possibilities that can cause it to be late that are NOT on that voter. I believe it would be disenfranchisement to those who legally voted. There is absolutely NOTHING wrong with use a postmark as your decision maker. In fact many federal and state legal processes use this as their determing factor for timeliness. It shouldn't change at the whim of a party. Also, those who vote by mail who would be forced to send their vote in earlier than the election day may miss important information that comes near the end of a campaign. I would like to ask for clarification here: are you asking for reporting or just counting? Thank you for sharing this tweet. That's why Trump's campaign is mad at the call by AP and Fox News. Even as such, it may not be enough, but who knows. 🤷🏻♂️🤷🏽🤷🏿♂️ it's 2020. FWIW, Fox and AP have had it at 86% reporting this whole time and obviously they're the ones that (pretty aggressively) called the race already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muppy Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 In view of the amount of disunity and division in our country I would hope that SOME compromises would be possible to somehow make the election process more tenable and address concerns on each side. dang I sound like a middling politician lol I just call it as I see it right or wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 5 hours ago, SydneyBillsFan said: You endorse cheating and dishonesty? I don’t endorse baseless conspiracy theories you nut. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeHateMe Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 (edited) Why can't they count mailed in ballots before election day? Seems odd. Got my answer: Republicans in the State wouldn't allow for it... Edited November 4, 2020 by HeHateMe 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 1 minute ago, BuffaloHokie13 said: Seems contradictory... Seems to be a false narrative to drive distrust before it goes to courts. The AP doesn't call any election until there's no possible path. Based on the data, the remaining votes look like they're coming in from Phoenix and Tucson, the big urban areas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muppy Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 17 minutes ago, Back2Buff said: Well if you health prevents you from getting to a polling station, you would be considered disabled in terms of this process. If you are in another state during the voting month, make a time to come back to vote, or change your polling location before the election. Yes I can see your point and of those measures are made law I woudn't have a problem with it. The disability issue though could be much more difficult to quantify/define and might get way too convoluted to ever make a consensus possible Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SectionC3 Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 8 minutes ago, HeHateMe said: Why can't they count mailed in ballots before election day? Seems odd. Ask the state legislatures. There is a practical reason for it; there’s only so many elections workers to go around, and some states may have made the judgment that it’s best to have those workers dedicated to tasks related to “in person” voting until the voting period closes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiotAct Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 and, I would think it also opens the door to the mail-in vote total being leaked before Election Day (which would objectively be a bad thing). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nkreed Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 11 minutes ago, aristocrat said: if i'm counting correctly roughly 500k votes remain and all the mail ins have been counted. trump down by 100k so the possibility exists. So the rough numbers are close. If we are using the numbers as exact, and we shouldn't, but lets runs the scenarios. Facts I'm using from NYTimes political page: 86% in, Biden has 1,410,977 votes, Trump has 1,317,468 votes. That's a total of 2,728,445 votes and a difference of 93,509 Votes. Using the 86% number, the total AZ voted would be 3,172,611 (rounded up). Remaining votes uncounted 444,166 votes. So what are the possibilities? (you can do some linear algebra to get the numbers in between) Trump 80%, Biden 20% of the remaining votes: Trump Gains 266,500 Trump 75%, Biden 25%: Trump Gains 222,083 Trump 70%, Biden 30%: Trump Gains 177,666 Trump 65%, Biden 35%: Trump Gains 133,250 Trump 60%, Biden 40%: Trump Gains 88, 833 Trump 55%, Biden 45%: Trump Gains 44,417 50/50 Not Gains So the break even for Trump needs to be 60.5% of the remaining votes, which I believe is VERY doable. Then the Libretarian throws a 1% monkey wrench in these numbers and I'm too lazy to break that down. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Process Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 MI and WI are done. So trump's only hope is to hang on to GA and NC (favored to do so) and somehow win in PA and AZ (AZ is more in play then it was but still a big dog in both)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 2 minutes ago, nkreed said: So the rough numbers are close. If we are using the numbers as exact, and we shouldn't, but lets runs the scenarios. Facts I'm using from NYTimes political page: 86% in, Biden has 1,410,977 votes, Trump has 1,317,468 votes. That's a total of 2,728,445 votes and a difference of 93,509 Votes. Using the 86% number, the total AZ voted would be 3,172,611 (rounded up). Remaining votes uncounted 444,166 votes. So what are the possibilities? (you can do some linear algebra to get the numbers in between) Trump 80%, Biden 20% of the remaining votes: Trump Gains 266,500 Trump 75%, Biden 25%: Trump Gains 222,083 Trump 70%, Biden 30%: Trump Gains 177,666 Trump 65%, Biden 35%: Trump Gains 133,250 Trump 60%, Biden 40%: Trump Gains 88, 833 Trump 55%, Biden 45%: Trump Gains 44,417 50/50 Not Gains So the break even for Trump needs to be 60.5% of the remaining votes, which I believe is VERY doable. Then the Libretarian throws a 1% monkey wrench in these numbers and I'm too lazy to break that down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haze_21 Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 Considering the early amount from Maricopa I think hes done Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nkreed Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 2 minutes ago, aristocrat said: If true, then Trump's road to a victory is slim. Especially considering it's Mail In's which have swung heavily to Biden. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 8 minutes ago, nkreed said: If true, then Trump's road to a victory is slim. Especially considering it's Mail In's which have swung heavily to Biden. yea he would need one of those michigan ballot bag full of 200k trump votes to pull that county off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nkreed Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 Did Wisconsin's Secretary of State say that all votes have been tallied, except for a township of 300 ppl? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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