Trump's railing about schools reopening, so might as well talk about it

[transplantbillsfan]

3 hours ago, billsfan1959 said:

 

That is all he ever does. You can't engage him in a normal discussion. When he isn't having a childlike meltdown, he is being arrogant and condescending.

 

Wait, what is a "normal discussion" to you?

 

Is that when everyone agrees?

 

To me, that's far from a normal discussion.

 

@Chef Jim brought up what I thought were somegood and bad ideas and I asked him follow up questions. He answered a few with what I believe aren't reasonable or feasible answers. I stated so.

 

In your world apparently everyone agrees. At least you've made sure to diversify the type of people you've surrounded yourself with opinion wise.

[ALF]

Buffalo had shortage of school bus drivers before covid , now more are quitting.  So a hybrid system with those who can remote learn may be the better option and more parents driving students to and from school. 

[billsfan1959]

3 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

Wait, what is a "normal discussion" to you?

 

Is that when everyone agrees?

 

To me, that's far from a normal discussion.

 

@Chef Jim brought up what I thought were somegood and bad ideas and I asked him follow up questions. He answered a few with what I believe aren't reasonable or feasible answers. I stated so.

 

In your world apparently everyone agrees. At least you've made sure to diversify the type of people you've surrounded yourself with opinion wise.

Nope. Agreement is not a factor in what is considered a “normal discussion.” Neither are tantrums and condescending behavior, both of which are prevalent in your posts. 

[Chef Jim]

8 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

But not so busy you've been able to follow along up until now in this 15 page thread and insert several of your own whining diatribes.

Yeah it takes a lot of time to respond to your whining.  

8 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

No. You misunderstand. I read every single one of your ideas. Most of them I asked you questions rather than outright dismissing them. Heck I think you had some good ideas actually. I just followed up with questions like, for one, how do you pay for it?

 

Believe me, I'm okay and will be doing my part in the classroom and through distance learning to help my students. As someone who clearly cares immensely about children without having any of his own and without being in a profession that even interacts with them, I think you should get involved a bit more.

 

Bring your good ideas to your local school board, for starters.

So I had some good ideas. Instead of saying “hey that’s a good idea, it will be costly but we’ll figure it out” you dismissed it outright with “how are we going to pay for it??”   Again figure it out.  Any good idea is worth finding the money to pay for it. Hell how my trillions has the Fed handed out?   

[Buffalo_Gal]

California (Fresno area)
 

 

[bilzfancy]

Most of this thread is about teachers, not enough about what's best for the kids. Once again, according to the best guess of science, kids have less then 1 in a 1,000 chance of getting or giving this virus, they have a far, far better chance of getting the flu, then covid19

[Taro T]

15 hours ago, keepthefaith said:

 

Is there any data that shows that children are at risk from this thing?  Seems like everything you read and hear is that they are not at risk at all and don't even contribute heavily to its spread. 

 

There's anecdotal evidence that young people with COVID get some weird clotting disease in their lungs which apparently causes lifelong scarring & reduced lung function.

 

Haven't seen any studies yet determining whether that's due to COVID or merely associated with COVID.  Also haven't seen how prevalent those cases are.  Nor, how they've determined the damage is "permanent" though if the scarring is very bad could see them analogyzing it to other traumatic lung damage.

 

That one seems to be a major reason those that don't want schools opening back up use to justify their position.  If they ever had more than anecdotes, maybe there'd be reason to give it credence.  But so far, haven't seen hard data and would expect that to be a major issue in places like Sweden that didn't shut down schools if it were a true major side effect.  But we didn't see it.

[B-Man]

 

Since full-time school isn’t safe in NYC, Mayor de Blasio will provide child care for 100,00 students. Indoors. With other kids. And adult supervision.

 

 

Liberalism is a mental disease.

 

 

 

 

 

[ALF]

Teachers are so worried about returning to school that they're preparing wills

 

https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/16/us/coronavirus-teachers-preparing-wills/index.html

 

Throw in flu season and it is more stress

[Tiberius]

6 minutes ago, ALF said:

Teachers are so worried about returning to school that they're preparing wills

 

https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/16/us/coronavirus-teachers-preparing-wills/index.html

 

Throw in flu season and it is more stress

Teachers, the staffs, cafeteria workers, and I know from experience that down the road from here the nursing home has tons of kids from local high schools working there. If they pick up something at school and bring it to that nursing home, gees! 

[WEATHER DOT COM]

3 hours ago, bilzfancy said:

Most of this thread is about teachers, not enough about what's best for the kids. Once again, according to the best guess of science, kids have less then 1 in a 1,000 chance of getting or giving this virus, they have a far, far better chance of getting the flu, then covid19

 

What?

 

 

[bilzfancy]

Just now, wAcKy ZeBrA said:

 

What?

 

 

Don't trust numbers coming out of Florida, many hospitals had 100% positives, when it was closer to 8%, also many labs here said they've recorded many false positives

[Orlando Tim]

4 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

Teachers, the staffs, cafeteria workers, and I know from experience that down the road from here the nursing home has tons of kids from local high schools working there. If they pick up something at school and bring it to that nursing home, gees! 

Then we do not allow students to work in old folks homes- it is more important they get educated then volunteer at the home. The kids need to be in school, that has been shown with every large study and is supported by every group who understands math.

[WEATHER DOT COM]

3 minutes ago, bilzfancy said:

Don't trust numbers coming out of Florida, many hospitals had 100% positives, when it was closer to 8%, also many labs here said they've recorded many false positives

 

31.1%

 

You said kids have less than a 1 in 1000 chance to get the virus. 16,797 kids under 18 have tested positive in Florida. For your statement of 1 in 1000 chance to get the virus to be correct, that means 16,797,000 tests would have been done on kids under 18 so far in Florida alone. That is almost 17 million. To put this in perspective, the entire US has done ~ 45 million tests so far.

 

You are full of it.

Edited July 16, 2020 by wAcKy ZeBrA

[bilzfancy]

4 minutes ago, wAcKy ZeBrA said:

 

31.1%

 

You said kids have less than a 1 in 1000 chance to get the virus. 16,797 kids under 18 have tested positive in Florida. For your statement of 1 in 1000 chance to get the virus to be correct, that means 16,797,000 tests would have been done on kids under 18 so far in Florida alone. That is almost 17 million. To put this in perspective, the entire US has done ~ 45 million tests so far.

 

You are full of it.

Those numbers are bullschiff but believe what you want, Warren

[B-Man]

14 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

Teachers, the staffs, cafeteria workers, and

 

I know from experience that down the road from here the nursing home has tons of kids from local high schools working there.

 

If they pick up something at school and bring it to that nursing home, gees! 

 

 

That is not true.

 

 

 

 

[WEATHER DOT COM]

Just now, bilzfancy said:

Those numbers are bullschiff

 

What specific number(s) is/are incorrect? I'm trying to work with you here to make your math work out but it's difficult.

[TH3]

3 minutes ago, Buffalo Timmy said:

Then we do not allow students to work in old folks homes- it is more important they get educated then volunteer at the home. The kids need to be in school, that has been shown with every large study and is supported by every group who understands math.

 

So you have seen or done the math and extrapolations huh? Done the projections that kids - while having a low death rate - are likely to continue spreading the virus with schools acting as a transmission conduit that had not yet existed...and in light of a non-existent test and trace system - will continue the unabated spread. in red states like FLA.

 

But perhaps you know this and can show how this result is worse than sending kids to school with these "large studies" that independent agencies have performed.... 

[Doc Brown]

3 hours ago, bilzfancy said:

Most of this thread is about teachers, not enough about what's best for the kids. Once again, according to the best guess of science, kids have less then 1 in a 1,000 chance of getting or giving this virus, they have a far, far better chance of getting the flu, then covid19

LOL.  They have way more than a 1 in a 1000 chance of getting the virus.  The death rate may be that low and studies have shown kids have a 1/2 to 2/3 less chance of catching it than adults.  I don't know where you get your information from.

[Buffalo_Gal]

37 minutes ago, ALF said:

Teachers are so worried about returning to school that they're preparing wills

 

https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/16/us/coronavirus-teachers-preparing-wills/index.html

 

Throw in flu season and it is more stress

As adults, they should already have had a will.  If this is the nudge they needed to have their families (and assets) protected after their death, well, ok. I hope they got a living will while they are at it.