Rob's House Posted July 9, 2020 Share Posted July 9, 2020 4 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: I certainly would like to hear. I did a quick reply and Im far from perfect and like to learn everyday I did not bring out my notebook so I just went off memory and my studies best I could For the most part I thought you nailed it. I'd argue against the point that there was nothing good about the Confederacy because there was a lot more to it than just slavery (e.g. state sovereignty) that were valid issues irrespective of slavery. Also, the highest estimate I've seen is 25% of southerners owning slaves, with other estimates coming in much lower. Otherwise I thought your post was on the money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted July 9, 2020 Share Posted July 9, 2020 (edited) 21 minutes ago, Rob's House said: For the most part I thought you nailed it. I'd argue against the point that there was nothing good about the Confederacy because there was a lot more to it than just slavery (e.g. state sovereignty) that were valid issues irrespective of slavery. Also, the highest estimate I've seen is 25% of southerners owning slaves, with other estimates coming in much lower. Otherwise I thought your post was on the money. I was trying to be conservative on some numbers so I thought I said atleast 50% didn't own slaves But I brought out my notes and some states are higher and some are lower but it averages out to about 25%-30%. With only 1% being massive plantation owners with 100+ slaves... The 1% are always the most powerful in any time period Edited July 9, 2020 by Buffalo716 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike in Horseheads Posted July 9, 2020 Share Posted July 9, 2020 This thread needs this: 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob's House Posted July 9, 2020 Share Posted July 9, 2020 27 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: I was trying to be conservative on some numbers so I thought I said atleast 50% didn't own slaves But I brought out my notes and some states are higher and some are lower but it averages out to about 25%-30%. With only 1% being massive plantation owners with 100+ slaves... The 1% are always the most powerful in any time period To bring this thread back to the original topic, I've heard it said that most of the major slave holders in the south were Jews. I've never pursued that theory, but DeSean Jackson may be able to shed some light on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted July 9, 2020 Share Posted July 9, 2020 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Rob's House said: To bring this thread back to the original topic, I've heard it said that most of the major slave holders in the south were Jews. I've never pursued that theory, but DeSean Jackson may be able to shed some light on it. I think Jackson needs to understand that people of all ethnicities Creed's and religions have been put through hard times And that he needs to understand what he's quoting. Which he clearly doesn't It's just anti-semitic trash and not based in fact And I don't have numbers but their were Jewish slave owners. Just like there was Baptist and Presbyterian slave owners Edited July 9, 2020 by Buffalo716 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 12 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: I've never liked Edelman but damn, that was a good response. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorquemada Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 13 hours ago, Rob's House said: To bring this thread back to the original topic, I've heard it said that most of the major slave holders in the south were Jews. I've never pursued that theory, but DeSean Jackson may be able to shed some light on it. There were very few Jewish slave owners, and very few Jews at all in the US, particularly in the South in the Civil War era. Most Jewish immigration happened in the late 19th, early 20th century, and was concentrated in the big NE cities like NYC & Philly. My own ancestors came from Russia in 1899. Besides that, Jewish immigrants were generally dirt poor and almost none of them would have been farmers as Jews were largely prohibited from owning land in Europe. It's also important to remember that Jews weren't even considered 'white' in the US until post WW2, and would not have been welcome in the antebellum South. There were a couple small enclaves of jews in Mobile and New Orleans, but that has more to do with their history as French colonial outposts where France was for the most part more tolerant of Jews than England. Jewish emmigrants were also dirt poor and lived in terrible conditions. The highest population density ever recorded in the US was in the Lower East Side of Manhattan in the early 1900s. My grandfather lived in a 1 room 'studio' there with 12 others, all his family. They all worked in sweatshops and several of them didnt make it to adulthood. It wasn't slavery per se but it wasn't the 1% existence that bigots like to ascribe to Jews either. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeviF Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 Imagine choosing your own flesh and blood over your fractured government and being called a traitor for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike in Horseheads Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 The Onion @TheOnion · 17h Apologetic DeSean Jackson Pledges To Learn More By Going To Hitler Museum https://bit.ly/3fh4X2L 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 16 hours ago, Rob's House said: To bring this thread back to the original topic, I've heard it said that most of the major slave holders in the south were Jews. I've never pursued that theory, but DeSean Jackson may be able to shed some light on it. Thats why there are so many african americans with the last names Leiberman, Cohen, and Horowitz. Look at the starting 5 on any NBA team and basically reads like a law firm. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 6 minutes ago, Jauronimo said: Thats why there are so many african americans with the last names Leiberman, Cohen, and Horowitz. Look at the starting 5 on any NBA team and basically reads like a law firm. Tarik Cohen! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob's House Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 1 hour ago, Jauronimo said: Thats why there are so many african americans with the last names Leiberman, Cohen, and Horowitz. Look at the starting 5 on any NBA team and basically reads like a law firm. I wasn't endorsing the theory. Just a funny way to turn the thread back to the original topic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fredo G. Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 Jews have a strong history of supporting the Civil rights movement. Rabbis gave the opening prayers for MLKs March on Washington. Rabbis marched with MLK to Selma. In 1964 when 4 Civil Rights activists disappeared in the south 2 of them were Jews helping to fight for the cause! I find it inexcusable that more African American athletes don"t know this about the Jewish people and their silence is disgusting. 23 hours ago, Rob's House said: To bring this thread back to the original topic, I've heard it said that most of the major slave holders in the south were Jews. I've never pursued that theory, but DeSean Jackson may be able to shed some light on it. bull####... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted July 11, 2020 Share Posted July 11, 2020 8 hours ago, Jauronimo said: Thats why there are so many african americans with the last names Leiberman, Cohen, and Horowitz. Look at the starting 5 on any NBA team and basically reads like a law firm. Exactly.. the comment you responded to was the dumbest one I’ve read on the board this month. And it’s been a dumb month. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted July 11, 2020 Share Posted July 11, 2020 ....aaaaaaaaaaaand he gets a slap on the wrist. Guess he won't be getting cut over this, huh? Gee, I'm shocked. https://nypost.com/2020/07/10/desean-jackson-fined-by-eagles-for-hitler-posts/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeviF Posted July 11, 2020 Share Posted July 11, 2020 19 hours ago, Rob's House said: I wasn't endorsing the theory. Just a funny way to turn the thread back to the original topic. It’s acknowledged that some Jews were slave owners and slave traders in that era. But the idea that they played a disproportionate role is a canard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niagara Posted July 11, 2020 Share Posted July 11, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, LeviF91 said: It’s acknowledged that some Jews were slave owners and slave traders in that era. Somehow the Jews are involved in money transfer, arts and politics somewhere and at some time in human history, usually much more than their numbers would suggest they would be. Hitler never said why he hated them so in Mein Kampf or speeches, but we can only speculate it had something to do with WWI and Israel. Edited July 11, 2020 by Niagara Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted July 11, 2020 Share Posted July 11, 2020 3 hours ago, LeviF91 said: It’s acknowledged that some Jews were slave owners and slave traders in that era. But the idea that they played a disproportionate role is a canard. There's been a movement to rewrite history in the last 30-40 yrs or so, to claim that Jews were the principal financiers of the slave ships and the trade. Gee, I wonder where that idea originated? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike in Horseheads Posted July 11, 2020 Share Posted July 11, 2020 1 hour ago, Niagara said: Somehow the Jews are involved in money transfer, arts and politics somewhere and at some time in human history, usually much more than their numbers would suggest they would be. Hitler never said why he hated them so in Mein Kampf or speeches, but we can only speculate it had something to do with WWI and Israel. I see your a real history buff thinking that Isreal was why Hitler hated the jews. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted July 11, 2020 Share Posted July 11, 2020 On 7/9/2020 at 9:15 PM, Royale with Cheese said: I've never liked Edelman but damn, that was a good response. Indeed! I hate to say this but it made me think better of Edelman - which I truly hate to do Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted July 11, 2020 Share Posted July 11, 2020 2 hours ago, Niagara said: Somehow the Jews are involved in money transfer, arts and politics somewhere and at some time in human history, usually much more than their numbers would suggest they would be. Hitler never said why he hated them so in Mein Kampf or speeches, but we can only speculate it had something to do with WWI and Israel. Actually, you could look at historians who have made a thorough study of contemporary primary sources Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niagara Posted July 11, 2020 Share Posted July 11, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, Mike in Horseheads said: I see your a real history buff thinking that Isreal was why Hitler hated the jews. The Balfore Declaration was a letter dated 2 November 1917, during WWI from the United Kingdom's Foreign Secretary Arthur Balfour to Lord Rothschild, a leader of the British Jewish community. This possibly caused Hitler to believe the Jews were, during WWI not acting as patriots, but as traitors. What is your theory Mike? He hated his father? Probably you never thought about it? Edited July 11, 2020 by Niagara Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niagara Posted July 11, 2020 Share Posted July 11, 2020 1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Actually, you could look at historians who have made a thorough study of contemporary primary sources Thank you for the link. I think that murder is rare, genocide is even more so. It is sad it came to that. The German Christians and Jews had no common ground. I remember talking with two Polish immigrants who lived during WWII, were anti-Jewish making comment "We own the buildings, you own the streets". Stuff happened back then which caused a hyper response like a BLM type purge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted July 11, 2020 Share Posted July 11, 2020 3 hours ago, Mike in Horseheads said: I see your a real history buff thinking that Isreal was why Hitler hated the jews. This guy is really something. Slavery would have eventually faded out on its own, and Hitler hated Jews because of a country that didn't exist until after his death. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fires Posted July 11, 2020 Share Posted July 11, 2020 Didn't Hitler enslave the Jews to do work for Nazi Germany during WWII? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted July 11, 2020 Share Posted July 11, 2020 32 minutes ago, Niagara said: It is sad it came to that. The German Christians and Jews had no common ground. I remember talking with two Polish immigrants who lived during WWII, were anti-Jewish making comment "We own the buildings, you own the streets". 5 hours ago, Niagara said: Somehow the Jews are involved in money transfer, arts and politics somewhere and at some time in human history, usually much more than their numbers would suggest they would be. So, what's going on here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niagara Posted July 11, 2020 Share Posted July 11, 2020 4 minutes ago, HappyDays said: So, what's going on here? Lost your hand? 7 minutes ago, Fires said: Didn't Hitler enslave the Jews to do work for Nazi Germany during WWII? arbeit macht frei for some. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niagara Posted July 11, 2020 Share Posted July 11, 2020 25 minutes ago, HappyDays said: Slavery would have eventually faded out on its own, and Hitler hated Jews because of a country that didn't exist until after his death. No, you are right, slavery would still be with us to this day. Zionism existed before 1900, Israel since 1947 was its successor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fires Posted July 11, 2020 Share Posted July 11, 2020 21 minutes ago, Niagara said: No, you are right, slavery would still be with us to this day. Zionism existed before 1900, Israel since 1947 was its successor. Slavery does exist today... But now it's called human trafficking. It involves all races. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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