DeSean Jackson posts anti-Semitic messages, quotes Hitler

[C.Biscuit97]

1 minute ago, LB3 said:

DeSean, 2011.

 

 

 

 

https://www.espn.com/nfl/news/story?id=6751846

Maybe the guy who repeatedly dropped the ball before crossing the end zone is a complete moron.  I would cut him.  But then once again, it’s the same team that kept Riley Cooper, who I also would have cut.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 minute ago, dorquemada said:

One of these things is not like the other.

Brees disapproving of kneeling for the anthem is not the same as lovingly quoting Hitler, even if you're too ignorant to know that wasn't an actual Hitler quote. 

 

Viewed from one perspective, you have a point.  Hitler was a genocidal maniac.

Viewed from another perspective (probably the perspective of those who reacted to it) Brees comments were about about re-framing a struggle against racism, specifically in this instance racist policing and a racist justice system, into an act of disrespect to the military and thus silencing or attempting to silence, that struggle.

 

I "get it" that you don't see it that way, but other people are entitled to see it differently.

 

1 minute ago, dorquemada said:

I'm sure it's already been said, but imagine the outrage if Fromm, or better yet, Brees, favorably quoted Stonewall Jackson, or George Wallace, they would have to add another order of magnitude to the outrage meter, and they would both be cut before the end of the day

 

I love it when people start predicting what would happen - based upon what evidence?  Patriots draft choice Jason Rohrwasser literally had a tattoo on his body supporting an anti-government extremist group with white supremicist ties whose members throw Nazi salutes, chant about Hitler, and shoot at peaceful demonstrators.  He hasn't even shown he can play in the league and it's still a total non-issue.  He apologized, said he didn't really realize what the group was all about and would certainly never, and had the tattoo removed.  The End.   

 

Do I believe that?  Not really - who the hell puts ink on their body without 5 minutes of research about what it represents?

 

I think that episode is evidence that if Fromm or Brees quoted Jackson or Wallace, they would say their remarks were taken out of context, they didn't realize or don't really support all that, apologize, and that would be that.

 

If you have counter evidence from something that has actually gone down in the NFL, please present it.  Otherwise I call shenanigans on the hypotheticals based on what's actually occurred.

[LB3]

Just now, C.Biscuit97 said:

Maybe the guy who repeatedly dropped the ball before crossing the end zone is a complete moron.  I would cut him.  But then once again, it’s the same team that kept Riley Cooper, who I also would have cut.

Oh we definitely agree he's a moron and I don't think he should be cut. Just dragged through the mud for being the ahole he is.

[teef]

22 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

The story is there's not equality in condemning hate.  

this is it.  also, there's supposedly a different culture now where there should be more tolerance and awareness.  

[C.Biscuit97]

1 minute ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

I thought that maybe too but the Atlanta Dream owner is a Senator and they want her out of the league.

I just don’t why people aren’t smart enough to just kept their thoughts to themselves and read the room.  Our country has never been dumber. 

Just now, LB3 said:

Oh we definitely agree he's a moron and I don't think he should be cut. Just dragged through the mud for being the ahole he is.

Any guy who is like let me post this Hitler quote is too dumb to be on my team.  Plus, he is washed up anyways.  

[LB3]

3 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Any guy who is like let me post this Hitler quote is too dumb to be on my team.  Plus, he is washed up anyways.  

Yikes. I was thinking of his 2018 numbers. After seeing 2019 numbers, yeah, I'd cut him.

[teef]

25 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

I do see your point to an extent.  But Julian Edelman, one of the few Jewish players, hasn’t said anything.  And I feel most players think Jackson is an idiot.  But I do see your point.

 

but I guess, for better or worse, people tend to stick to the issues that affect them. When something happens to a trans person, do you expect Sammy Watkins to call them out?  And again, it seems athletes are held to higher standards than politicians (unless they can use it to pander to their base). 

 

is this the point of the last few months?  whether or not the situation directly affects them shouldn't matter right?  we're all trying to make changes towards more tolerance, correct?

 

for some reason, you seem to pick and choose what you feel is appropriate.  you become outraged and call people on here racists, yet you were on here making fun of people for their height, and was making fun of a woman's appearance.  

Edited July 8, 2020 by teef

[Rob's House]

34 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Do you think because something like 70% of the NFL players are black, grew up in black families, usually in minority-dominated communities, they might naturally be expected to have more concern and be more vocal about issues that they perceive to affect them and their families and communities directly?  Maybe the players care more about black issues because they have seen the effects of racism up close and personal in their own lives? 

There are relatively few Jewish players in the NFL.  HEY!  WHAT HAS ROSEN SAID ABOUT THIS?  Has he totally failed to speak up?

 

It's just strange to me because one of the criticisms I sometimes read about people with a liberal bent, from people with a conservative bent, is that liberals are "social justice warriors" and "white knights" who get all worked up about every perceived injustice or slight in the world.  Isn't the implication of the phrase "social justice warrior", someone who is reactive against every slight to social justice whether or not they are personally and philosophically concerned?

 

Now that black players are not all individually and publically worked up about an instance of anti-semitism that has been condemned by the NFL, condemned by the team, apologized for by the player and removed, that's a problem?  Maybe...they aren't "social justice warriors" but men who are concerned about issues that affect them?

 

I don't get it.  Actually, I think I do get it but I'll stop there.

 

 

 

 

That's kind of the point. Where are all the woke white people on this?

[dorquemada]

7 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Viewed from one perspective, you have a point.  Hitler was a genocidal maniac.

Viewed from another perspective (probably the perspective of those who reacted to it) Brees comments were about about re-framing a struggle against racism, specifically in this instance racist policing and a racist justice system, into an act of disrespect to the military and thus silencing or attempting to silence, that struggle.

 

 

 

Viewed from one perspective?  Is there an alternate perspective, where praising Hitler isn't really a horrifyingly ignorant and racist thing to do?

 

The fact that we're having this debate at all is a great case study in how our primary and secondary education systems have utterly failed us. 

 

"well you know that hitler, he sure had some good points!"  - a tremendous idiot

 

12 minutes ago, teef said:

is this the point of the last few months?  whether or not the situation directly affects them shouldn't matter right?  we're all trying to make changes towards more tolerance, correct?

 

for some reason, you seem to pick and choose what you feel is appropriate.  you become outraged and call people on here racists, yet you were on here making fun of people for their height, and was making fun of a woman's appearance.  

Somehow 'more tolerance' seems to be resulting in less tolerance. 

 

It's almost like people skipped the lessons of the French Revolution in 9th grade.  Actually, it's worse than that, the lessons of the French Revolution (and China's Cultural Revolution/Great Leap Forward) aren't even being taught any more.  When i was in 9th grade in 1984, we spent a full 2 weeks in US History class on the French Revolution.  My son took it last year in a good USNY school district, and they spent 2 days on it. 

 

For those of you with more recent graduation dates, the main lesson of those two historical atrocities is that Vanguard of every revolution ends up getting the guillotine by the very people who agitated them into action in the first place.

 

[C.Biscuit97]

17 minutes ago, teef said:

is this the point of the last few months?  whether or not the situation directly affects them shouldn't matter right?  we're all trying to make changes towards more tolerance, correct?

 

for some reason, you seem to pick and choose what you feel is appropriate.  you become outraged and call people on here racists, yet you were on here making fun of people for their height, and was making fun of a woman's appearance.  

My stalker!!! I’ve consolidated Jackson is a moron, he can get cut, and I do wish players called him out.  Not sure what your point is other than you are obsessed with me (trust me, I’ve had my share of stalkers over the years.  Much prettier than you I assume).

 

and alpha Ben Shapiro is a little beta boy.  And if the racist shoe fits...

8 minutes ago, dorquemada said:

 

Viewed from one perspective?  Is there an alternate perspective, where praising Hitler isn't really a horrifyingly ignorant and racist thing to do?

 

The fact that we're having this debate at all is a great case study in how our primary and secondary education systems have utterly failed us. 

 

"well you know that hitler, he sure had some good points!"  - a tremendous idiot

 

Somehow 'more tolerance' seems to be resulting in less tolerance. 

 

It's almost like people skipped the lessons of the French Revolution in 9th grade.  Actually, it's worse than that, the lessons of the French Revolution (and China's Cultural Revolution/Great Leap Forward) aren't even being taught any more.  When i was in 9th grade in 1984, we spent a full 2 weeks in US History class on the French Revolution.  My son took it last year in a good USNY school district, and they spent 2 days on it. 

 

For those of you with more recent graduation dates, the main lesson of those two historical atrocities is that Vanguard of every revolution ends up getting the guillotine by the very people who agitated them into action in the first place.

 

Don’t be hateful.  Not really hard.  And if you are, you lose your job.  Jackson could lose his job and no one would shed a tear.  Don’t post Hitler quotes.  Not really hard.  Don’t go racist rants in a park.  Don’t aim a gun at peaceful protestors.  Don’t post racist/ sexist/ homophobic tweets.  It’s really not hard. 

[DrDawkinstein]

14 minutes ago, Rob's House said:

 

That's kind of the point. Where are all the woke white people on this?

 

The question youre looking for is where are the woke black people on this?

Starting to see a couple players call him out this morning. But again, its about the same level of reaction as Fromm got. So if you're looking for a "big win" here, you're gonna be disappointed.

[teef]

8 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

My stalker!!! I’ve consolidated Jackson is a moron, he can get cut, and I do wish players called him out.  Not sure what your point is other than you are obsessed with me (trust me, I’ve had my share of stalkers over the years.  Much prettier than you I assume).

 

 

i'm not at the stalker level yet, but i do like calling you out.  something tells me you've never had a stalker.  something tells me you tend to turn people off.  

[Hapless Bills Fan]

29 minutes ago, teef said:

is this the point of the last few months?  whether or not the situation directly affects them shouldn't matter right?  we're all trying to make changes towards more tolerance, correct?

 

In the abstractly, in principle - yes.  We should all care about injustice and intolerance everywhere.

Realistically - it's never been that way, and it's never likely to be that way.  Most people can't be outraged about everything.  They choose what issues are of most concern to them to speak out about. 

What I see is that athletes, particularly outspoken black athletes, are held to a different standard by some people than, say, politicians.  It's held to diminish the sincerity or genuineness of their concern if they speak out against one issue that is of particular concern to them, but not another issue that others feel they should be equally outraged about, based on that person's personal perception of the relative severity of what happened.

 

I don't buy it.

 

29 minutes ago, teef said:

for some reason, you seem to pick and choose what you feel is appropriate.  you become outraged and call people on here racists, yet you were on here making fun of people for their height, and was making fun of a woman's appearance.  

 

Please don't make it too personal

But yes, in the abstract, Yes!  Exactly!  That's the point!  Everyone picks and chooses what issues they deem most concerning.  Bingo.  That's just how it is.

[Rico]

6 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

The question youre looking for is where are the woke black people on this?

Starting to see a couple players call him out this morning. But again, its about the same level of reaction as Fromm got. So if you're looking for a "big win" here, you're gonna be disappointed.

No, the woke black people are mostly cool, the woke white people are the funny ones. 

[teef]

1 minute ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

In the abstractly, in principle - yes.  We should all care about injustice and intolerance everywhere.

Realistically - it's never been that way, and it's never likely to be that way.  Most people can't be outraged about everything.  They choose what issues are of most concern to them to speak out about. 

What I see is that athletes, particularly outspoken black athletes, are held to a different standard by some people than, say, politicians.  It's held to diminish the sincerity or genuineness of their concern if they speak out against one issue that is of particular concern to them, but not another issue that others feel they should be equally outraged about, based on that person's personal perception of the relative severity of what happened.

 

I don't buy it.

 

 

Please don't make it too personal

But yes, in the abstract, Yes!  Exactly!  That's the point!  Everyone picks and chooses what issues they deem most concerning.  Bingo.  That's just how it is.

i agree with the bolded, but this is part of the problem.  i don't want people to be outraged by all injustices...it's not possible, but then don't expect the same from me.  i've already seen this cry for tolerance for what works for the individual, but when it doesn't involve them...meh?  nah.  i know this isn't as cut and dry as i'm making it out to be.  i'm all for the blm movement, but in reality, it doesn't affect my life at all.  since it doesn't affect my life at all, should i not be concerned about it?  that's what we're seeing here.  people are deciding what they should be tolerant of.  this won't work.

[dorquemada]

9 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Don’t be hateful.  Not really hard.  And if you are, you lose your job.  Jackson could lose his job and no one would shed a tear.  Don’t post Hitler quotes.  Not really hard.  Don’t go racist rants in a park.  Don’t aim a gun at peaceful protestors.  Don’t post racist/ sexist/ homophobic tweets.  It’s really not hard. 

 

OK who decides if you are hateful?  There are obvious situations, like say, lovingly quoting Hitler, then there are less obvious ones.  Especially as we continually redefine what is acceptable and what isn't.  Like I said in the Fromm thread, anyone in the NFL or popular culture who has said a single work criticizing someone as a racist, i want to see their entire text message and xbox/playstation live transcripts.  Every single one.  I guarantee you that 100% of them have racist/homophobic/transphobic/ageist remarks.  If we're serious about cancel culture, then every single person is going to get cancelled. 

 

 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

Just now, teef said:

i agree with the bolded, but this is part of the problem.  i don't want people to be outraged by all injustices...it's not possible, but then don't expect the same from me.  i've already seen this cry for tolerance for what works for the individual, but when it doesn't involve them...meh?  nah.  i know this isn't as cut and dry as i'm making it out to be.  i'm all for the blm movement, but in reality, it doesn't affect my life at all.  since it doesn't affect my life at all, should i not be concerned about it?  that's what we're seeing here.  people are deciding what they should be tolerant of.  this won't work.

 

This is the problem with this whole movement. It demands that people back it whether they want to or not. And if not, it vilifies said people. It's illiberal and illogical.

 

I don't know anyone who isn't sickened by the Floyd situation. But I don't know many that like what they're seeing happening around them recently, either.

 

[WEATHER DOT COM]

Just now, dorquemada said:

If we're serious about cancel culture, then every single person is going to get cancelled. 

 

Not sure cancel culture is the term you are looking for here... What NFL player has been "cancelled" in the past 10 years outside of Kaepernick?

 

Incognito? (No)

Brees? (No)

IK Punch Thrower? (No)

DeSean Jackson? (No)

Riley Cooper? (No)

 

[thebandit27]

53 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Huh?  They kept Cooper who used hate speech.  So if they keep Jackson, it seems like they are doing the same thing with Cooper.  
 

personally, I would be fine with both of those idiots being cut.  They weren’t that good anyways (Jackson is washed). 

I think you’re confused.

 

I didn’t say he should be cut. I said that I want to see if other players speak out against this type of commentary in light of the current outspokenness regarding racism.

 

So far, I’ve seen no single NFL player condemn it. Former NFLer Ryan Clark has, as had the Eagles organization.

[dorquemada]

1 minute ago, Joe in Winslow said:

 

This is the problem with this whole movement. It demands that people back it whether they want to or not. And if not, it vilifies said people. It's illiberal and illogical.

 

I don't know anyone who isn't sickened by the Floyd situation. But I don't know many that like what they're seeing happening around them recently, either.

 

 

Yeah the pendulum is swinging pretty hard into the IngSoc territory now where language is completely fluid and words and phrases redefined at a speed that pretty much guarantees that even the most woke will touch the third rail at some point.  This will continue until the adults in the room stop giving power to morons on Twitter

2 minutes ago, wAcKy ZeBrA said:

 

Not sure cancel culture is the term you are looking for here... What NFL player has been "cancelled" in the past 10 years outside of Kaepernick?

 

Incognito? (No)

Brees? (No)

IK Punch Thrower? (No)

DeSean Jackson? (No)

Riley Cooper? (No)

 

 

I'm talking about culture as a whole, not just the NFL.  Also, Kaepernick has had multiple chances to get back in the league but he's not an idiot.  He got benched for Blaine Gabbert for Pete's sake, and making way more on his grift solemn role at Nike than he was ever going to make playing QB. 

[racketmaster]

1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Viewed from one perspective, you have a point.  Hitler was a genocidal maniac.

Viewed from another perspective (probably the perspective of those who reacted to it) Brees comments were about about re-framing a struggle against racism, specifically in this instance racist policing and a racist justice system, into an act of disrespect to the military and thus silencing or attempting to silence, that struggle.

 

I "get it" that you don't see it that way, but other people are entitled to see it differently.

 

 

I love it when people start predicting what would happen - based upon what evidence?  Patriots draft choice Jason Rohrwasser literally had a tattoo on his body supporting an anti-government extremist group with white supremicist ties whose members throw Nazi salutes, chant about Hitler, and shoot at peaceful demonstrators.  He hasn't even shown he can play in the league and it's still a total non-issue.  He apologized, said he didn't really realize what the group was all about and would certainly never, and had the tattoo removed.  The End.   

 

Do I believe that?  Not really - who the hell puts ink on their body without 5 minutes of research about what it represents?

 

I think that episode is evidence that if Fromm or Brees quoted Jackson or Wallace, they would say their remarks were taken out of context, they didn't realize or don't really support all that, apologize, and that would be that.

 

If you have counter evidence from something that has actually gone down in the NFL, please present it.  Otherwise I call shenanigans on the hypotheticals based on what's actually occurred.

There are a lot of examples out there, too many to go through and the remarks vary in how bad they were. Michael Richards said some pretty awful things after being heckled on stage and he has basically been ostracized from Hollywood for the past 15 years. It does not seem that he can ever be forgiven. Again remarks are horrible but they were remarks that were closer to what Jackson just said and has said previously or at least closer than what Drew Brees said. 
Another is Rosie O’Donnell. She makes fun of a black official and it was again distasteful but her show was canceled and she will likely never return to Hollywood. These are just a few of countless instances involving white peoples making bad comments. If you don’t think there is “black privilege” when it comes to saying bad things about other groups then you aren’t paying attention. There have been countless black actors and athletes who say terrible things and get blowback but then go back to there positions with all being basically forgotten within a few months. 
 

All I’d like to see is people being treated equally in all facets of life. I don’t want black people or Muslims being profiled in certain situations and I don’t want 2-3 times the outrage heaped on white people rather than persons of color when both make similarly awful comments. Playing favorites just leads to resentment and mistrust from all sides involved and it is not healthy. 

Edited July 8, 2020 by racketmaster

[WEATHER DOT COM]

 

14 minutes ago, dorquemada said:

If we're serious about cancel culture, then every single person is going to get cancelled.

 

"We're" not serious about cancel culture.

 

"Cancel culture" is a strawman that is used way too often in my opinion. 

[Rob's House]

52 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

The question youre looking for is where are the woke black people on this?

Starting to see a couple players call him out this morning. But again, its about the same level of reaction as Fromm got. So if you're looking for a "big win" here, you're gonna be disappointed.

 

It's already a "big win."

 

I have no desire to see anything happen to this guy. This is about as much heat as anyone should get for this kind of thing.

 

Desean is strongly anti-Semitic. I imagine he has similar feelings about white people, but I wouldn't feel any differently if he said the white man is the devil.

 

I don't demand that people like me or pretend to like me. Until he's inciting violence, and I don't mean in some abstract way, I support his right to say what he thinks without falling victim to the cancel culture lynch mob.

 

What's so glorious about this is the double standard being exposed for what it is. Not that it will have any lasting impact. By this time next week it will be forgotten and we'll be back to calling for people's heads over every minor transgression made by a member of the perceived oppressor group directed at a perceived victim group.

 

But for the moment it's entirely satisfying to watch those who sanctimoniously declare their impassioned devotion to certain principles implicitly (or in some cases explicitly) admit that they selectively apply those principles only when they conform to their bias or agenda.

Edited July 8, 2020 by Rob's House

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 hour ago, Rob's House said:

 

That's kind of the point. Where are all the woke white people on this?

where are Jewish players such as Rosen and Edelman on this?  I’m not the social media maven - have they “broken their silence” to use the modern terms?

[Rob's House]

3 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

where are Jewish players such as Rosen and Edelman on this?  I’m not the social media maven - have they “broken their silence” to use the modern terms?

 

What's your point?

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

19 minutes ago, wAcKy ZeBrA said:

 

 

"We're" not serious about cancel culture.

 

That's a real problem, in my opinion, sir Zebra.

 

[dorquemada]

2 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

where are Jewish players such as Rosen and Edelman on this?  I’m not the social media maven - have they “broken their silence” to use the modern terms?

 

Maybe the question is, were Rosen and Edelman on their high horses about Police brutality, racism, etc?  If not, then it's not hypocritical for them to stay silent now

 

On the other hand, if they were peacocking to let the world know just how anti-racist they were and how they're one of the good ones, then yeah, i'd expect for them to also be upset about a moron praising Hitler

[JoshAllenHasBigHands]

15 hours ago, Poleshifter said:

Black people can't be racist?

 

Are you shi77ing me??? What do you think BLM is all about? Getting rid of white influence (people, etc).

 

BLM are the most racist voice active today. Just pretend otherwise, though.

 

 

That isn't really my point. My point is that we are so obsessed about what is and is not racist, we forgot that what really makes it so problematic is the behaviors that undergird racism -- prejudice, discrimination, bigotry -- go completely unchallenged.  Like, fine, black people cannot be racist in the sense that they are an oppressed group and white people have not suffered 100 of years of discrimination.  But they can still be prejudiced, discriminatory, and bigoted, and demonstrate all the messed up and terrible beliefs that presuppose and justify the dehumanizing outcome of racism. Fine, Jackson cannot be racist, but he can still be all the f-ed up things that make racism bad. 

[racketmaster]

8 minutes ago, Rob's House said:

 

It's already a "big win."

 

I have no desire to see anything happen to this guy. This is about as much heat as anyone should get for this kind of thing.

 

Desean is strongly anti-Semitic. I imagine he has similar feelings about white people, but I wouldn't feel any differently if he said the white man is the devil.

 

I don't demand that people like me or pretend to like me. Until he's inciting violence, and I don't mean in some abstract way, I support his right to say what he thinks without falling victim to the cancel culture lynch mob.

 

What's so glorious about this is the double standard being exposed for what it is. Not that it will have any lasting impact. By this time next week it will be forgotten and we'll be back to calling for people's heads over every minor transgression made by a member of the perceived oppressor group directed at a perceived victim group.

 

But for the moment it's entirely satisfying to watch those who sanctimoniously declare their impassioned devotion to certain principles implicitly (or in some cases explicitly) admit that they selectively apply those principles only when they confirm to their bias or agenda.

There really is no disputing that cancel culture disproportionately punishes white men. It does not take into account your age or income status, as if you are a white male and make bad comments you will face greater scorn. 
 

I get it to some degree with “old white men” but even then there are a lot of old white guys who just went about there business and never harmed or tried to cause harm to any persons of color and they are lumped into a group. But for middle aged and younger white men, we grew up mostly wanting tolerance and many of our heroes growing up were black ie. Michael Jordan or Will Smith. The majority of us have and still have black friends and have never mistreated or tried to mistreat any persons of color. We grew up thinking that by the time we were this age we would not even be talking about this issue because there would be no issue. 
 

But the tensions between races have continued to some degree when it should be an all for one mentality by now. Much of the tension is caused by forces on the extreme sides of the issue. They are loud and provocative so their voices are heard especially in a day of social media where anyone can be heard. The mainstream media exasperates the problem by relentlessly focusing on bad incidents and yet not adding perspective and basic statistics. For example, there has not been a documented focused lynching in the US since 1981. Yet if you are a 13 year old black person and listened to the race baitors and media, its understandable you would think that you are under a real threat of being lynched. This is an extreme example and it is awful to think of but the young persons of color today seem to have the loudest voices along with the white kids of privilege as far as negativity toward white men and the “establishment”. Yet it was their parents and grandparents that were much more impacted. We elected a black president and the re-elected him for a second term for gods sake.
 

If a person of color can hold and maintain the most powerful position in the world for 8 years, how much systemic racism is really out there holding people down. Just like the me too movement started of with justified complaints, I do believe there were some justified BLM complaints. But much of that has been addressed in recent criminal justice reform legislation. There has come a point where the movement is never satisfied and continues to seek justice and blood. It is at that point that targeted groups begin to become resentful towards the constant attacks and rush to judgments. 

[JoshAllenHasBigHands]

19 minutes ago, racketmaster said:

If a person of color can hold and maintain the most powerful position in the world for 8 years, how much systemic racism is really out there holding people down. Just like the me too movement started of with justified complaints, I do believe there were some justified BLM complaints. But much of that has been addressed in recent criminal justice reform legislation. There has come a point where the movement is never satisfied and continues to seek justice and blood. It is at that point that targeted groups begin to become resentful towards the constant attacks and rush to judgments. 

 

Many of the far-left movements of today ascribe to the belief that it is not about the ends but the means. In other words, the criticism must be perpetual, and to fuel the movement, there must always be an ever present "boogey-man."  Though never explicitly said, this is the basic premise of most critical pedagogies. It sort of makes sense, too, when you consider that the thing they are fighting is "systemic."  Absent destroying the system, which most agree will never happen, the only recourse is to stay in a critique posture. The problem is that, eventually, it stops becoming about achieving and overcoming, but maintaining a constant state of protest. 

Edited July 8, 2020 by JoshAllenHasBigHands

[dorquemada]

11 minutes ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said:

Absent destroying the system, which most agree will never happy

 

Dont look now,

 

https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/tyler-o-neil/2020/07/07/ilhan-omar-calls-for-dismantling-americas-economy-and-political-system-to-root-out-oppression-n612588

 

Just in way of review, a woman who emigrated from a war torn Somalia and worked her way into the US House of Representatives believes the US should be dismantled and rebuilt in a more 'just' way. 

 

I agree with you, we're not going to burn the nation down to the waterline, but I will say, there are some very powerful people who have made that their explicit goal

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[JoshAllenHasBigHands]

9 minutes ago, dorquemada said:

 

Dont look now,

 

https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/tyler-o-neil/2020/07/07/ilhan-omar-calls-for-dismantling-americas-economy-and-political-system-to-root-out-oppression-n612588

 

Just in way of review, a woman who emigrated from a war torn Somalia and worked her way into the US House of Representatives believes the US should be dismantled and rebuilt in a more 'just' way. 

 

I agree with you, we're not going to burn the nation down to the waterline, but I will say, there are some very powerful people who have made that their explicit goal

 

Surrrre, quote my really stupid typo....

 

Yeah, I don't think there is a credible argument that there is not a strong wave of support in this country for fundamentally changing our way of life. Five years ago, people who made this suggestion were mocked as conspiracy theorists and white nationalists. Now that it has come to fruition, the people waving the flag are mocked as racists and idiots for not believing that this needs to happen. 

Edited July 8, 2020 by JoshAllenHasBigHands

[WEATHER DOT COM]

2 minutes ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said:

I don't think there is a credible argument that there is a strong wave of support in this country for fundamentally changing our way of life. 

 

We can't even agree to wear masks at the store.

[JoshAllenHasBigHands]

1 minute ago, wAcKy ZeBrA said:

 

We can't even agree to wear masks at the store.

 

Libertarianism is in our DNA

[IslandBillsFan]

What I hate about a-lot of these articles is they don't cite or show the actual posts.  They just refer to them as offensive and racist and you have to track them down.  

 

Some stories like this are truly offensive and racist, other ones are borderline at best.  

 

[delirious]

3 minutes ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said:

 

Libertarianism is in our DNA

On a fundamental level, sure. I think most of us want to be left alone. But as far as actual libertarianism policies are concerned, I disagree with most people have it in their DNA. 

[JoshAllenHasBigHands]

2 minutes ago, delirious said:

On a fundamental level, sure. I think most of us want to be left alone. But as far as actual libertarianism policies are concerned, I disagree with most people have it in their DNA. 

 

I use the term DNA because I mean exactly that: at a fundamental level. We will balk whenever we are told what to do.  From a policy perspective, and after you get into the minuta of government, we are not a libertarian country.  

[Rico]

Glass Goodwin getting backlash now.  
 

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2020/07/08/eagles-marquise-goodwin-claims-the-jewish-community-is-lashing-out-at-me/

[GunnerBill]

25 minutes ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said:

 

Many of the far-left movements of today ascribe to the belief that it is not about the ends but the means. In other words, the criticism must be perpetual, and to fuel the movement, there must always be an ever present "boogey-man."  Though never explicitly said, this is the basic premise of most critical pedagogies. It sort of makes sense, too, when you consider that the thing they are fighting is "systemic."  Absent destroying the system, which most agree will never happen, the only recourse is to stay in a critique posture. The problem is that, eventually, it stops becoming about achieving and overcoming, but maintaining a constant state of protest. 

 

It isn't just the far left. It is the far right too. It is the way our discourse has gone. Create these ridiculous "boogey-man" caricatures of the problem and then focus on extreme means of vanquishing them. And in relation to this particular issue what @Coach Tuesday said a few pages back is absolute correct - anti-semitism is where the far left and far right meet around the back. The idea of the great Jewish conspiracy. 

 

Sadly I see no way of lifting our societal discourse out of the gutter when so much of it is conducted in 280 characters. It basically invites unnuanced hot takes. 

[Chicken Boo]

3 hours ago, FireChans said:

Yeah, the coverage has been light. It happened two days ago. The coverage on TBD was light, it was a random link posted in an Eagles’ salary cap thread. Matthew Berry is asking if anyone in the NFL has actually come out against this.

 

I'll be honest.  When I saw a snippet of what DeSean posted, the antisemitism was apparent.  Like I knew it was there but I had no clue what the quote meant.  It sounded like some hair-brained conspiracy theory akin to the ones you hear about George Soros.  I just brushed it off.

 

I'd bet $1,000 that DeSean Jackson, himself, couldn't elaborate on what he posted, which makes it worse.  Ignorance begetting ignorance.

Edited July 8, 2020 by Chicken Boo