CHAZ Seattle Observations

[3rdnlng]

3 minutes ago, Koko78 said:

 

Well, in fairness, one actually has viewers.

If CNN broadcast in the woods would anyone actually hear/see it? 

[Deranged Rhino]

10 minutes ago, Gene Frenkle said:

 

You're all good. Quick, name 3 ridiculous conservative sites for completeness. 

 

Gateway Pundit is the worst one. 

 

[Westside]

42 minutes ago, Gene Frenkle said:

 

Where do you get your news from, bud?

 

"Down here" is funny and appropriate.

 

There are far worse offenders than Fox News or CNN.

I don't get it from any of the cable networks. I like to read the WSJ, NY post, several different news podcasts. 

There aren't too many middle of the road newscasts. 

Edited June 17, 2020 by westside2

[Wacka]

First it was CHAZ, then CHOP. It should be called FUBAR.

Edited June 20, 2020 by Wacka

[Chef Jim]

4 hours ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

 

And there it is.  Defund means abolish.  

 

Abolish the whole just system and then what?  You're asking a question that cannot be answered.  Come on. Give it a shot.  Take a guess.  You must have SOME idea.  And what I mean by that is you can't destroy a system without something in mind to take it's places.  It could take years/decades to replace.  What does society look like in the meantime?  Let's just open up the prisons, no one goes on trial for ________ years until we figure this out.  This is the most absurd thing ever.  

 

We can live beside the ocean
Leave the fire behind
Swim out past the breakers
Watch the world die

[RocCityRoller]

30 minutes ago, Wacka said:

First ie was CHAZ, then CHOP. I tshould be called FUBAR.

 

I see CHAZ was too in line with what I said. Now it's CHOP, a little French Revolution tip of the hat. I'm sure Robespierre would agree.

 

I like CHAD, not unlike the wreck of the country it will become synonymous with.

It could stand for Capitol Hill Anarchist Disaster.

 

or maybe CHOAD would be more fitting.

[RocCityRoller]

On 6/14/2020 at 6:30 AM, GregPersons said:

 

Are you okay with violence as long as a white person is not the victim? 

Are you okay with violence as long as someone you know isn't the victim? 

 

To what degree are you okay with violence? Would you mind saying so on camera and also promote your business?

 

You seem, once again, to miss the point

 

Violence is bad. The most violence in the USA is in Democrat controlled inner cities, where the majority population is black. The majority of violence is black on black, occurring in cities controlled by Democrat legislators. I know you are too edgy or radical to consider yourself a Democrat, but they publicly have fun espousing your beliefs for votes at election time. Man up and vote independent. At least Jimmy Dore has the balls to speak out. Thousands of black men, women and children are killed every year by black on black crime. It may be what 10k a year? (Edit - the number is 7-10k)

 

Using typical lefty media rhetoric: GregPersons supports 7-10k annual black on black murders. (edited for numbers correction above)

 

Meanwhile about 250-300 black people are killed by police each year. Even the completely biased Washington Post acknowledges this. Were all the cops white? Nope on average 65-75% were, the rest are by black or other minority officers. So taking that into consideration about 180-250 black folks are killed by white officers a year. I guess the media discounts the rest as minority on minority crime? Kind of like the other 10k black murders a year noted above? Why is that discounted GregPersons? Don't Black Lives Matter? Or do some black lives matter more than others?

 

Using typical lefty media rhetoric: GregPersons supports 70-100 minority police killings a year.

 

The Washington post also acknowledges that 500-600 white people are killed by police each year in the USA. The numbers show that twice as many white folks are murdered by the police than black folks. That is a pure number. Let's say 600 white guys are killed by the police, versus 300 black guys. 100 latinos/ asians etc make up the rest. Where is it ok for 1000 people to be killed by the police each year, despite their race? Are you ok with police violence against white people? How about Latinos or Asians?

 

Using typical lefty media rhetoric: GregPersons Supports 600-700 white killings by police each year

 

This is why people claim 'All Lives Matter' GregPersons. 1k killed a year in the USA by the police is absurd.

The floating average is 950-1100. Of that count maybe, maybe 180-250 are white on black. It is a minority statistic.

Of the terrible 1k killed a year by US Police, only 15-20% of all police murders (yes I said murders) are white police on black incidents

Since the USA is 13-14% black the % of deaths by white cops at 15-20% is within the expected ratio. Guess you didn't look at it that way.

I discounted the minority police killings of black people, much like Democrats and SJWs discount black on black crime.

 

Using typical lefty media rhetoric: GregPersons wants police to kill more white, hispanic, and asian people to balance out the numbers

 

If you wanted to protest that 1000 citizens killed by the police each year is too much, I would join you, many people would.

 

But a lefty can't but help but bring in racial divide and identity politics into every discussion. Every   Single   One. 

This is your weakness.

 

A lot of people, white and black, think the local police may be getting too gun happy/physically tough. But instead of finding a unifying front you have to look for divisions. For you, it has to be about race, and you cancel out statistics that don't align with you, and with that people who would agree with you. Another lefty mistake. Eventually you discount the majority. See 2016.

 

Let me give you a big old clue to red pill thinking, once again.

 

First of all, if Black Lives Mattered as much as the lip service being given, then why are 7-10k black on black deaths excused each year? Don't walk away from it, own it. 7-10k black lives were taken on average every year from 2000-2020. Over 20 years that is almost a quarter million black people killed. But I am the 'racist' for bringing this up?

 

The worst locations have been Dem/left held governed areas for years, even decades. Is it possible the policies of the left don't work in helping elevate the black population? I ask because contrary to your name calling, I don't want 10k black people killed a year in my country, by anyone. If you truly believed 'Black Lives Mattered' you would not turn your head and ignore the slaughter that occurs every year in Democrat/Left controlled cities. The left likes chaos, and uses it to support their vote.

 

Using typical lefty media rhetoric: GregPersons Says 40, 50, 60yrs of Democrat rule plays no role in Black community being stagnant vs other minorities

 

200-300 vs 10k seems a bit out of whack to me, but I guess a 50x multiplier can be dealt with 'later' in your utopia. Lefty leadership (white and minority) has been so successful in the 40-50 yr reigns of terror they have held over most cities.

 

I also notice that cop vs black man narratives aren't usually against county sheriffs, or state troopers. It is usually the city police departments. If city PD are killing people then the question should be asked, who controls city Police Departments?

 

Say it with me GregPersons, who controls a city PD? Come on GregPersons, I know you can say it.

 

The local mayors and city councils do.

 

Almost every major city in the USA has been left/Democrat controlled for 30, 40, 50 years. If the left/Democrats cared for black folks as much as they claim during a news cycle or during election time, or when one of the few white on black cop crimes happen, then why would they continually oversee such levels of black on black crime? Where is the outrage when a black/latino/Asian cop kills a black man? Where is the outrage when a black person kills another black person?

 

Don't Black Lives Matter GregPersons?  At worst this would lead one to believe that even minority mayors and council people don't care about black deaths, or are at best not capable of dealing with the situation. People living in the neighborhood year after year cry out against violence. 'We must change' they say. Yet at election time it is a vote for more of the same.

 

Using typical lefty media rhetoric: GregPersons Says Black Democratically officials not capable of fixing things, will require overthrow of government.

 

If a politician or party do not fear being voted out of office, no change will occur. Why would it?

 

I say all of these things because Black Lives do Matter, but All lives Matter.

 

'Doing the same thing over and over again is the definition of insanity' - loosely attributed to Einstein. He in your world was obviously racist.

Edited June 20, 2020 by RocCityRoller

[Buffalo_Gal]

 

[Warren Zevon]

21 hours ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

Gateway Pundit is the worst one. 

 

 

Conservative Treehouse

13 hours ago, RocCityRoller said:

 

You seem, once again, to miss the point

 

Violence is bad. The most violence in the USA is in Democrat controlled inner cities, where the majority population is black. The majority of violence is black on black, occurring in cities controlled by Democrat legislators. I know you are too edgy or radical to consider yourself a Democrat, but they publicly have fun espousing your beliefs for votes at election time. Man up and vote independent. At least Jimmy Dore has the balls to speak out. Thousands of black men, women and children are killed every year by black on black crime. It may be what 10k a year?

 

Using typical lefty media rhetoric: GregPersons supports 10k annual black on black crimes.

 

Meanwhile about 250-300 black people are killed by police each year. Even the completely biased Washington Post acknowledges this. Were all the cops white? Nope on average 60-75% were, the rest are by black or other minority officers. So taking that into consideration about 180-250 black folks are killed by white officers a year. I guess the media discounts the rest as minority on minority crime? Kind of like the other 10k black murders a year noted above? Why is that discounted GregPersons? Don't Black Lives Matter? Or do some black lives matter more than others?

 

Using typical lefty media rhetoric: GregPersons supports 70-100 minority police killings a year.

 

The Washington post also acknowledges that 500-600 white people are killed by police each year in the USA. The numbers show that twice as many white folks are murdered by the police than black folks. That is a pure number. Let's say 600 white guys are killed by the police, versus 300 black guys. 100 latinos/ asians etc make up the rest. Where is it ok for 1000 people to be killed by the police each year, despite their race? Are you ok with police violence against white people? How about Latinos or Asians?

 

Using typical lefty media rhetoric: GregPersons Supports 600-700 white killings by police each year

 

This is why people claim 'All Lives Matter' GregPersons. 1k killed a year in the USA by the police is absurd.

The floating average is 950-1100. Of that count maybe, maybe 180-250 are white on black. It is a minority statistic.

Of the terrible 1k killed a year by US Police, only 15-20% are white police on black incidents.

 

Using typical lefty media rhetoric: GregPersons wants police to kill more white, hispanic, and asian people to balance out the numbers

 

If you wanted to protest that 1000 citizens killed by the police each year is too much, I would join you, many people would.

 

But a lefty can't but help but bring in racial divide and identity politics into every discussion. Every   Single   One. 

This is your weakness.

 

A lot of people, white and black, think the local police may be getting too gun happy/physically tough. But instead of finding a unifying front you have to look for divisions. For you, it has to be about race, and you cancel out statistics that don't align with you, and with that people who would agree with you. Another lefty mistake. Eventually you discount the majority. See 2016.

 

Let me give you a big old clue to red pill thinking, once again.

 

First of all, if Black Lives Mattered as much as the lip service being given, then why are 10k black on black deaths excused each year? Don't walk away from it, own it. 10k black lives were taken on average every year from 2000-2020. Over 20 years that is almost a quarter million black people killed. But I am the 'racist' for bringing this up? The worst locations have been Dem/left held governed areas for years, even decades. Is it possible the policies of the left don't work in helping elevate the black population? I ask because contrary to your name calling, I don't want 10k black people killed a year in my country, by anyone. If you truly believed 'Black Lives Mattered' you would not turn your head and ignore the slaughter that occurs every year in Democrat/Left controlled cities. The left likes chaos, and uses it to support their vote.

 

Using typical lefty media rhetoric: GregPersons Says 40, 50, 60yrs of Democrat rule plays no role in Black community being stagnant vs other minorities

 

200-300 vs 10k seems a bit out of whack to me, but I guess a 50x multiplier can be dealt with 'later' in your utopia. Lefty leadership (white and minority) has been so successful in the 40-50 yr reigns of terror they have held over most cities.

 

I also notice that cop vs black man narratives aren't usually against county sheriffs, or state troopers. It is usually the city police departments. If city PD are killing people then the question should be asked, who controls city Police Departments?

 

Say it with me GregPersons, who controls a city PD? Come on GregPersons, I know you can say it.

 

The local mayors and city councils do.

 

Almost every major city in the USA has been left/Democrat controlled for 30, 40, 50 years. If the left/Democrats cared for black folks as much as they claim during a news cycle or during election time, or when one of the few white on black cop crimes happen, then why would they continually oversee such levels of black on black crime? Where is the outrage when a black/latino/Asian cop kills a black man? Where is the outrage when a black person kills another black person?

 

Don't Black Lives Matter GregPersons?  At worst this would lead one to believe that even minority mayors and council people don't care about black deaths, or are at best not capable of dealing with the situation. People living in the neighborhood year after year cry out against violence. 'We must change' they say. Yet at election time it is a vote for more of the same.

 

Using typical lefty media rhetoric: GregPersons Says Black Democratically officials not capable of fixing things, will require overthrow of government.

 

If a politician or party do not fear being voted out of office, no change will occur. Why would it?

 

I say all of these things because black lives do matter. All lives matter.

 

'Doing the same thing over and over again is the definition of insanity' - loosely attributed to Einstein. He in your world he was obviously racist.

 

Has GregPersons infested your mind? (Yes)

[RocCityRoller]

On 6/18/2020 at 11:48 AM, Warren Zevon said:

 

Conservative Treehouse

 

Has GregPersons infested your mind? (Yes)

 

Ruffled my feathers for certain, but show me any facts contrary to what I said.

 

That felt good to get out. Had a big old drink and smoke after typing it.

[Hedge]

The return of segregation is being cheered by the Leftists.

 

 

 

[LeGOATski]

7 minutes ago, Hedge said:

The return of segregation is being cheered by the Leftists.

 

 

 

This is honestly a little disturbing

[Reality Check]

3 hours ago, LeGOATski said:

This is honestly a little disturbing

When did you finally come to this conclusion?

[LikeIGiveADarn]

https://twitter.com/Omarisal/status/1274301877643968512?s=20

 

Shooting in CHAZ. 1 dead, 1 wounded.

Edited June 20, 2020 by LikeIGiveADarn

[Big Blitz]

Revolutions tend to be bloody 

 

 

[3rdnlng]

Couldn't the social workers get there in time to convince the shooters that shooting people is bad?

[njbuff]

How come they ran out of bullets so quickly?

[LeGOATski]

20 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said:

Couldn't the social workers get there in time to convince the shooters that shooting people is bad?

 

5 minutes ago, njbuff said:

How come they ran out of bullets so quickly?

 

Considering a person died and another could likely die, this seems a bit insensitive. In these times, we should be holding tighter to our humanity, not letting it go.

 

Considering the nature of the hit, it seems targeted. Probably would've happened one way or another.

 

There was a shooting last week down the street from my house and we're in an area still heavily policed... go figure.

[njbuff]

20 minutes ago, LeGOATski said:

 

 

Considering a person died and another could likely die, this seems a bit insensitive. In these times, we should be holding tighter to our humanity, not letting it go.

 

Considering the nature of the hit, it seems targeted. Probably would've happened one way or another.

 

There was a shooting last week down the street from my house and we're in an area still heavily policed... go figure.

 

Not my problem if you can't take a joke.

[3rdnlng]

18 minutes ago, LeGOATski said:

 

 

Considering a person died and another could likely die, this seems a bit insensitive. In these times, we should be holding tighter to our humanity, not letting it go.

 

Considering the nature of the hit, it seems targeted. Probably would've happened one way or another.

 

There was a shooting last week down the street from my house and we're in an area still heavily policed... go figure.

I'm not insensitive to people getting shot or dying. I'm bewildered that we have idiots in this country who believe that first responders should be replaced by social workers. I've noticed for quite some time that our country has been slowly slipping. It has just changed to warp speed in the last few weeks. 

[LeGOATski]

4 minutes ago, njbuff said:

 

Not my problem if you can't take a joke.

Not my problem if you can't take criticism.

5 minutes ago, Jaraxxus said:

 

They've earned it. Let them earm the wage of lawlessness.

This instance was not the wage. That's the point.

[LeGOATski]

4 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said:

I'm not insensitive to people getting shot or dying. I'm bewildered that we have idiots in this country who believe that first responders should be replaced by social workers. I've noticed for quite some time that our country has been slowly slipping. It has just changed to warp speed in the last few weeks. 

I don't disagree.

 

But we also have an increasing problem of letting sensationalized stories drive rhetoric like that.

1 minute ago, Jaraxxus said:

They want no cops? This is what happens with no cops.

 

No, this is what's been happening regardless.

[3rdnlng]

1 minute ago, LeGOATski said:

I don't disagree.

 

But we also have an increasing problem of letting sensationalized stories drive rhetoric like that.

Who drives the sensationalized stories?

[LeGOATski]

Just now, 3rdnlng said:

Who drives the sensationalized stories?

Media

 

We collectively love it and encourage it

[LeGOATski]

1 minute ago, Jaraxxus said:

 

Not where I live it isn't. 

Where do you live? Let's look at the stats.

[RocCityRoller]

2 hours ago, Big Blitz said:

Revolutions tend to be bloody 

 

 

 

Is that a wall defining a border?

 

I am outraged by this injustice!

/s

[Artful Dodger]

2 hours ago, LikeIGiveADarn said:

https://twitter.com/Omarisal/status/1274301877643968512?s=20

 

Shooting in CHAZ. 1 dead, 1 wounded.

I hope neither were African-American or they'll have to set up a separate protest enclave within the protest enclave.

[RocCityRoller]

1 hour ago, LeGOATski said:

 

 

Considering a person died and another could likely die, this seems a bit insensitive. In these times, we should be holding tighter to our humanity, not letting it go.

 

Considering the nature of the hit, it seems targeted. Probably would've happened one way or another.

 

There was a shooting last week down the street from my house and we're in an area still heavily policed... go figure.

 

Right here in WNY. Rochester, NY.

5 shootings, 3 Dead yesterday. Almost all in impoverished neighborhoods.

 

Where is the humanity, where is the outcry? Where are the protests?

 

https://spectrumlocalnews.com/nys/rochester/public-safety/2020/06/19/1-dead--2-seriously-wounded-in-3-overnight-shootings-in-rochester

 

Fully Attributed to Spectrum News in Rochester

 

3 Dead, 2 Injured in 5 Friday Shootings in Rochester

By Spectrum News Staff Rochester
PUBLISHED 7:24 AM ET Jun. 19, 2020 UPDATED 5:27 PM ET Jun. 19, 2020

 

Two afternoon shootings have added to an already violent day in Rochester, as three have died and two others are injured after five shootings on Friday. 

Police say they were called to Bernard Street around 12:15 a.m. Friday for a report of shots fired. Ricardo Stone, Jr., 23, of Rochester, was found shot, and was taken to Rochester General Hospital by a private car where he was pronounced dead a short time later. 

 

An hour or so later, officers were called to 1226 North Clinton Avenue where they found a man, identified as Willie Carter IV, 17, of Rochester, shot in a convenience store. He was taken to Strong Memorial Hospital with life-threatening injuries. He underwent emergency surgery but police say the victim has died.

 

According to police, a third shooting took place around 2 a.m. on Violetta Street. That victim was also taken to Strong Memorial Hospital with what police say are life-threatening injuries.

 

At around 2:00 p.m., a man, identified as Parris Washington, 31, of Rochester, was shot in the backyard at 31 Bardin Street. Washington was pronounced dead, police have confirmed. 

 

Rochester Police Captain Frank Umbrino gave no indication as to whether or not the shootings were connected.

 

“It’s been extremely busy," said Umbrino. "I can tell you at this point that the only connection we have between the three jobs is a complete lack of moral fortitude and a disregard for human life by the individuals that have committed these crimes.” (Editorial edit- Be careful Frank, you will be called a racist).

 

Also on Friday afternoon, Genesee section officers responded to Magnolia Street for a report of gunshots heard in the area. A 19-year-old Rochester male was taken to Strong Memorial Hospital with a least one gunshot wound to his upper torso. His condition is listed as being stable and non-life-threatening. 

Police are asking anyone with information on any of these shootings to call 911 or Crimestoppers at 423-9300.

***************************************************************************************************************************

 

So where is the outrage? Where is the humanity?

 

Just to add another layer of spice to the mix, Strong Memorial Hospital (the main hospital in Rochester) and the U of R in general (U of R is a University and Health System) is in the middle of partial furloughs. The furloughs were caused by a lack of revenue to the University and Medical Center due to Andrew Cuomo's (D) orders to restrict non COVID-19 treatment. URMC (University of Rochester Medical Center) has had to furlough or partially furlough staff not only from the college, but from the highly paid, and now underutilized medical staff. This includes neurologists/ oncologists/ nurses etc. Entire wards were empty of patients for months leading to a $100-200 million dollar shortfall leading to furloughs.

 

Doesn't seem fair to those few left on staff to treat such injuries.

 

Edited June 20, 2020 by RocCityRoller

[LeGOATski]

4 minutes ago, RocCityRoller said:

Right here in WNY. Rochester, NY.

5 shootings, 3 Dead yesterday. Almost all in impoverished neighborhoods.

 

Where is the humanity, where is the outcry? Where are the protests?

Right.

 

I'm willing to bet members of the victims' families have already been protesting.

[fansince88]

1 hour ago, 3rdnlng said:

I'm not insensitive to people getting shot or dying. I'm bewildered that we have idiots in this country who believe that first responders should be replaced by social workers. I've noticed for quite some time that our country has been slowly slipping. It has just changed to warp speed in the last few weeks. 

First Responders are supposed to help while the crime is happening or to keep it from happening at the moment. Social Workers try to clean up that which was ignored. That takes years or sometimes cant be done. We are surrounded by morons.

[LeGOATski]

2 minutes ago, Jaraxxus said:

I just did. In my rural township there have been zero murders and 3 rapes in 2020 despite high minority populations. And it ain't wealthy here.

link?

 

How many shooting crimes?

[RocCityRoller]

45 minutes ago, Artful Dodger said:

I hope neither were African-American or they'll have to set up a separate protest enclave within the protest enclave.

 

Why bother? Just treat it like another black on black crime.....

 

Democrats in power do.

Edited June 20, 2020 by RocCityRoller

[LeGOATski]

3 minutes ago, fansince88 said:

First Responders are supposed to help while the crime is happening or to keep it from happening at the moment. Social Workers try to clean up that which was ignored. That takes years or sometimes cant be done. We are surrounded by morons.

I think in reality, the people 3rdnlng was referring to (those who want to completely get rid of our typical first responders, apparently) are few and far between...

[RocCityRoller]

15 minutes ago, LeGOATski said:

Right.

 

I'm willing to bet members of the victims' families have already been protesting.

 

Not sure what you are trying to say here. Please clarify.

 

I think the shootings of 5 people, with 3 known deaths from it is an injustice, regardless of how it happened.

 

What do you mean by saying?: "I'm willing to bet members of the victims' families have already been protesting."

[IDBillzFan]

1 hour ago, LeGOATski said:

No, this is what's been happening regardless.

 

Except reports are that the CHOADS refused to let police or medical personnel in to help, which is why one person died.

 

They let a person die.

[LeGOATski]

Just now, RocCityRoller said:

 

Not sure what you are trying to say here. Please clarify.

 

I think the shootings of 5 people, with 3 known deaths from it is an injustice, regardless of how it happened.

 

What do you mean by saying?: "I'm willing to bet members of the victims' families have already been protesting."

If you followed that conversation, you can see that I said those shooting would've probably happened regardless. The stories you posted seem to prove my point.

 

Being black families, I'm willing to bet they've already been out protesting about the issues affecting our poorer minority communities.

[LeGOATski]

10 minutes ago, IDBillzFan said:

 

Except reports are that the CHOADS refused to let police or medical personnel in to help, which is why one person died.

 

They let a person die.

That's a sensationalized take. Both were immediately taken to a hospital. They have trained medical people already in the area. Investigators were let in to work the scene after the fact.

 

Without knowing the facts, it seems unreasonable to blame certain people except the actual murderer who pulled the trigger.

[3rdnlng]

26 minutes ago, LeGOATski said:

I think in reality, the people 3rdnlng was referring to (those who want to completely get rid of our typical first responders, apparently) are few and far between...

It seems like I've heard rumors recently about a certain segment of society that wants to defund the police. Then I heard rumors that first responders should not be the police but be people trained in social work. I think I even heard people chanting about this. 

[IDBillzFan]

8 minutes ago, LeGOATski said:

That's a sensationalized take. Both were immediately taken to a hospital. They have trained medical people already in the area. Investigators were let in to work the scene after the fact.

 

Without knowing the facts, it seems unreasonable to blame certain people except the actual murderer who pulled the trigger.

 

We'll find out soon enough .

[Artful Dodger]

I live near Washington DC and my hometown newspaper is the Washington Post.  I just checked its website and there's no mention of the deaths.  In fact, a search reveals there's been no mention of CHAZ at all in the Post for the last four days. It's as if the editors think if they don't report on it, it doesn't exist or will go away.