Goodell Admits NFL Was Wrong Not to Listen

[Cripple Creek]

3 hours ago, FireChans said:

The NBA admit Hong Kong exists yet or still banning people with Free Hong Kong posters from arenas?

It doesn't take perfection to be light years in front of the NFL.

[Sig1Hunter]

Just now, K-9 said:

Seems to be more your boogeyman more than anyone else’s. 
 

BOO!? Really? 

Nope. The only thing that concerns me is the gaggle of lemmings following each other right off of the cliff based on a totally false narrative comprised of anecdotes and hurt feelings. If you want to fix the systemic issues that have oppressed minorities, protest those who implement those policies and have done so for decades. 

[Putin]

6 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

You might be interested in the work of Laura Ingraham. I think you’ll find yourself nodding along to her musings. If you’re looking for someone to help you silence the voices of an oppressed population she’s the one for you!! 

Speaking for my self I’m always ready to hear a voice of an oppressed person or people I don’t consider L James being one of them 

5 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Oh, I didn’t know. ??‍♂️

 

Do you guys get pissed off when the NFL players wear pink to fight cancer? I mean, they should just shut and play right? 

I don’t get pissed off , and I didn’t know fighting cancer was political and divisive 

[Kirby Jackson]

Just now, Putin said:

Speaking for my self I’m always ready to hear a voice of an oppressed person or people I don’t consider L James being one of them 

LeBron James grew up with a 16 year-old single mother with drug problems and an ex-con father. He moved something like 30 times before going to live with a family at age 9 to have a better chance at making it. If you don’t believe LeBron James has seen and lived the worst of it I don’t know what to tell you. 

[GoBills808]

5 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Oh, I didn’t know. ??‍♂️

 

Do you guys get pissed off when the NFL players wear pink to fight cancer? I mean, they should just shut and play right? 

You're talking to people who aren't aware of the irony in claiming to be against politicizing sports and yet are fans of a league whose product is basically a 3 hour military advertisement.

[Kirby Jackson]

6 minutes ago, Putin said:

Speaking for my self I’m always ready to hear a voice of an oppressed person or people I don’t consider L James being one of them 

I don’t get pissed off , and I didn’t know fighting cancer was political and divisive 

So to be clear taking a stand on cancer = good, taking a stand on racism = bad? So you really don’t want them to just play? You want them to stand up to causes that you support. Got it

[Putin]

Just now, Kirby Jackson said:

So to be clear taking a stand on cancer = good, taking a stand on racism = bad? So you really don’t want them to just play? You want them to stand up to causes that you support. Got it

I support the stand on racism and cancer my mother is a cancer survivor , 

I just want to support my Buffalo Bills on a Sunday and if possible for few hours 

( if it’s ok with you ) not to be reminded what a racist country my parents brought me to as a teenager 

[Westside]

25 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Oh, I didn’t know. ??‍♂️

 

Do you guys get pissed off when the NFL players wear pink to fight cancer? I mean, they should just shut and play right? 

Yeah, that's totally the same thing. Thanks for playing

 

14 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

So to be clear taking a stand on cancer = good, taking a stand on racism = bad? So you really don’t want them to just play? You want them to stand up to causes that you support. Got it

Wow, so if I don't believe the same things you do, I'm a racist? Got it.

[oldmanfan]

15 minutes ago, Putin said:

I support the stand on racism and cancer my mother is a cancer survivor , 

I just want to support my Buffalo Bills on a Sunday and if possible for few hours 

( if it’s ok with you ) not to be reminded what a racist country my parents brought me to as a teenager 

I recognize different feelings on this.  But having some players kneel for the 2 minutes to protest does not ruin the game for me.  

[K-9]

9 minutes ago, Sig1Hunter said:

Nope. The only thing that concerns me is the gaggle of lemmings following each other right off of the cliff based on a totally false narrative comprised of anecdotes and hurt feelings. If you want to fix the systemic issues that have oppressed minorities, protest those who implement those policies and have done so for decades. 

That’s what this is about. It isn’t just about Kaepernick or BLM or your brotherhood at this point.

 

Based totally on anecdotes? I don’t think the witnessed and video recorded murder of a citizen by a law enforcement officer who saw fit to kneel on the neck of his victim for nearly nine minutes, in spite of the victim’s repeated pleas to breathe, qualifies as anecdotal. Makes one wonder what happens at the hands of unfit enforcement officers when cameras aren’t around. If you can’t see that as a fair question, then I submit your own bias clouds your judgment. 
 

Then again it’s just easier to say we are all lemmings who need to have these atrocities explained to us. 

[Kirby Jackson]

23 minutes ago, Putin said:

I support the stand on racism and cancer my mother is a cancer survivor , 

I just want to support my Buffalo Bills on a Sunday and if possible for few hours 

( if it’s ok with you ) not to be reminded what a racist country my parents brought me to as a teenager 

I lost my mom to brain cancer in 2015. I understand. I appreciate them raising awareness. I’ve never experienced racism but I appreciate them bringing awareness to that as well. These men have a voice and a platform. Our country/world has major problems. If we bury our head in the sand or avoid the issues we don’t do anything to move forward. 
 

I also don’t understand how someone else’s views on the world can hinder your game-watching experience? Someone explain that to me please. I just don’t get it. Whether I agree with someone or not it doesn’t influence my experience as a fan in any way. When it’s 3rd and 6 I’m not thinking about a guy’s tweet from 4 days earlier. 

17 minutes ago, westside2 said:

Yeah, that's totally the same thing. Thanks for playing

 

Wow, so if I don't believe the same things you do, I'm a racist? Got it.

Explain how it’s different. You said earlier that you wanted them to play and not bring their beliefs into it. I’d like to think that the same amount of people support cancer as racism, zero. When is it okay for someone to speak up? When you’re comfortable with their message? It’s an honest question. What is “divisive” about protesting racism? Who is it that is supporting a different part of that message? 

Edited June 6, 2020 by Kirby Jackson

[FireChans]

42 minutes ago, Cripple Creek said:

It doesn't take perfection to be light years in front of the NFL.

By light years, you mean massive hypocrites, right?

[ColoradoBills]

1 hour ago, Happy said:

 

You took it several layers deeper than what I suggested.  All I suggested is that the military pull its funding for the NFL, and let the NFL determine if they still want to do Salute to Service as well as play the NA.  I would guess that the NFL would at least not play the NA before games; if so, then so be it.  I think it would be better if the NFL did not play the NA before the games.  Asking politicians to not tweet or make comments on the NFL might be asking too much, though it would be nice.

 

I never said the players should turn off any thoughts or opinions of police, protests, racism, etc.  That would be impossible as people are not machines.

 

I too believe that your points (especially about the anthem) should be considered by the NFL Owners/Leadership as an option.

A lot of this stems from the NFL's choices in the past.  In a sense the NFL has created this issue.

 

Since around the time of the 1st Gulf War, through 9/11 and continuing till today the NFL has "literally" wrapped itself up in the American Flag.

It's got to a point where I comment to friends during "Veteran's Day" football weekend that I see no difference in the celebration of the

United States Military as I see in Week 2 in September.  I'm a vet and it's getting pretty over the top.

 

For some of the younger people reading this, I started to go to football games during the Vietnam War and none of what you see today was happening.

Heck, my father and I would stand for the National Anthem but a very significant portion of the crowd barely acknowledged it.

 

I have commented on these thoughts in other posts.  There is a time and place for National Pride but I see no mandatory need to have it displayed

at the current level for Sunday football.  The NFL needs to reconsider it's involvement with all this and decide what it truly wants to pursue.

 

Personally I would rather the NFL stop all this and just play football BUT IF it chooses to continue to immerse itself in American Nationalism and Patriotism

it better go all the way.  That choice (if it's made) negates their right to hide behind the banner of "we are a private company" and in turn it would

allow the "rights" of the players to peacefully protest as they see fit.

 

The NFL has to decide what it wants to do, not you, not me, not the President.  I truly hope the owners are considering what I am saying.

[HappyDays]

6 hours ago, Kmart128 said:

the socks he wore showed he is full of hate and he is no better than bad cops.

 

You think wearing socks with cartoon pig cops is the same thing as police brutality?

[starrymessenger]

Saying that the Commish's statement is too little too late (for a number of reasons) is true IMO but somewhat misses the mark. On the strong balance of probabilities the point is that it is devoid of content, in other words, is insincere. RG is nothing but the agent of the owners, who, like them or leave them, are not stupid people They know the way the wind is blowing at this moment. So they are not so much people of principle than weathervanes. They are businessmen whose interest is the value of the brand in which they are so heavily invested.

So, as far as I'm concerned, they are all "unforgiven". Fromm on the other hand was maybe just being a dumb punk kid. If his apology is sincere I would let him be. If it's good enuf for Leslie Frazier and his teammates it's good enuf for me. The quality of mercy is not strained.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

7 hours ago, Kmart128 said:

Kneeling should still be frowned upon. I dont care what a player does. Donate to charity rebuilding communities, use your press conference and interviews to address your concerns, have specialty cleets that have symbols. Protest and share opinions if you want. But if you kneel during anthem then you are just dividing the country. You may be free to do protest that way but it doesnt make it right. And people still have right to critize for it. And when people criticize it just separates the country even more. This needs to be a time for unity... and like it or not many people will find kneeling disrespectful. Especially people who put their lives on the line everyday. That will just continue to divide our country and will be counter productive to what they want to accomplish.

 

Perhaps the point should be considered, that if a symbol represents pride to some, but oppression and disenfranchisement to others, the country is already divided?

 

Perhaps the oppression and disenfranchisement should be the focus of what to address.

 

Look at it this way: if the actions and situations that arouse the urge to protest are real (and we've all seen the videos and heard the reports), then doesn't your line of thought just amount to "NIMBY"?  It's like saying "OK, I acknowledge the America you experience is different than the America I experience, but just don't bear witness to that in front of me, in a way I find uncomfortable, because when I see it, now THAT's dividing the nation."

[Putin]

22 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

I lost my mom to brain cancer in 2015. I understand. I appreciate them raising awareness. I’ve never experienced racism but I appreciate them bringing awareness to that as well. These men have a voice and a platform. Our country/world has major problems. If we bury our head in the sand or avoid the issues we don’t do anything to move forward. 
 

I also don’t understand how someone else’s views on the world can hinder your game-watching experience? Someone explain that to me please. I just don’t get it. Whether I agree with someone or not it doesn’t influence my experience as a fan in any way. When it’s 3rd and 6 I’m not thinking about a guy’s tweet from 4 days earlier. 

Explain how it’s different. You said earlier that you wanted them to play and not bring their beliefs into it. I’d like to think that the same amount of people support cancer as racism, zero. When is it okay for someone to speak up? When you’re comfortable with their message? It’s an honest question. What is “divisive” about protesting racism? Who is it that is supporting a different part of that message? 

I’m sorry you lost you’re mom I can’t even imagine how painful that must be may she 
R I P ? . 
There is nothing divisive about fighting racist I’m with you on that 110% !!! that’s not what I met , 

where we obviously disagree  is whether or not National Anthem is the right place 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

7 hours ago, Kmart128 said:

Its true. He was offered multiple deals but turned them down cause he thought he was a star and in actuality he was mediocre QB. And the last couple seasons he was horrendous. And yes he did hate police... the socks he wore showed he is full of hate and he is no better than bad cops. He is a hateful person who looks to divide the country by race and political affiliation.

 

It's true that he turned down deals because he thought he deserved more

 

I don't think one can assert it's true he "did hate police".  I think it's more likely the socks and the Che Guevera shirt fall in the category of "stupid s*** young people say and do" which is how I class Fromm's texts at this point.  We can have different opinions on that, it's fine

 

But really...."no better than bad cops"?  Wearing tacky socks with an insulting image is "no better" than kneeling on someone's neck for 8 minutes or watching someone kneel in what you must know, if you didn't sleep through training, is an injurious potentially fatal proceeding?  No better than bursting into the wrong home without knocking or announcing themselves as police, leading the home occupant to believe he was defending himself from home invasion and exercising his 2nd amendment rights of self defense with a legally licensed firearm?  No better than return fire spraying the home with bullets (22 shots), 8 of which shot a young EMT working with covid-19 and killed her? 

 

Wearing tacky socks no better than that? 

 

 

[JaCrispy]

18 hours ago, JoPoy88 said:

i would hope the league is preparing to make more overtures than just that, but it’s a slim hope.

Do you have anything specious mind?

 

[Edit: did you mean, "do you have anything specific in mind?"  -Talking paperclip]

[HappyDays]

2 hours ago, K-9 said:

Is that what this has become? A contest between how many whites vs. how many blacks have been subject to police brutality over the years? 

 

I have felt this way for many years. Police brutality is not just a race issue. I recognize that black people get the worse end. But it affects everyone to some degree. I know too many people that have had bad run ins with cops where things escalated quickly for no good reason. The viral video from right here in Buffalo was a 75 year old white man. Tear gas is banned in warfare but it is used regularly by police officers in America to disperse peaceful protests.

 

So I think the people saying "white people get abused by the police too" are missing the mark. It should make you angry that anyone in America can suffer at the hands of a government employee and never get justice.