JGMcD2 Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, MJS said: Being a journalist does not give you some special insight, in my opinion. You are just a liable to biases, misconceptions, and mistruths as everyone else. AND you have an agenda to be constantly telling a story even if there isn't one, because that's your job. Couldn’t have said it better myself. They often write a story because they’re required to... not because they’re passionate or knowledgeable on the subject. Then they move on and forget about it all. I have journalists friends, I’ve dated journalists, I’ve dated people in news. They all admit it when they’re off the record. They care more about the attention they get than anything else. I’m generalizing folks, not ALL journalists are like this... I’m speaking on the 20+ friends I have who are journalists, and their perception of the industry they work in. Edited April 20, 2020 by JGMcD2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 1 hour ago, PromoTheRobot said: But the two stories are 180-degrees apart in focus. One focuses on the business, the other on the personal. Indeed. Both are legitimate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 2 hours ago, Joe in Winslow said: Bless your heart. We got ourselves an Acosta fanboy here! Bless your heart. We got ourselves a Trump cultist here! 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 14 minutes ago, JGMcD2 said: Couldn’t have said it better myself. They often write a story because they’re required to... not because they’re passionate or knowledgeable on the subject. Then they move on and forget about it all. I have journalists friends, I’ve dated journalists, I’ve dated people in news. They all admit it when they’re off the record. They care more about the attention they get than anything else. I’m generalizing folks, not ALL journalists are like this... I’m speaking on the 20+ friends I have who are journalists, and their perception of the industry they work in. If that is true you should advise them to get out of the business. If you are in it for attention in particular. Absolutely atrocious motivation. Of course you are not passionate about every subject you write about. Not every story grips you - that is the same as any job. What should drive and motivate is the pursuit of truth regardless of the subject. Maybe the culture in America is different, I don't know. But that is not the way the majority of journalists in the UK think or work despite the low reputation of the profession. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 And on the flip side, how many jobs are there without the Pegulas buying all those teams and making that investment in the region? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xwnyer Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 Sounds like a Jerry Sullivan hack job Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 Just now, Xwnyer said: Sounds like a Jerry Sullivan hack job I mean it is comprehensible, with paragraphs and grammar so it can't be Jerry. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 2 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: I mean it is comprehensible, with paragraphs and grammar so it can't be Jerry. Can't be Sully. It has actual interviews in it... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 Just now, Lurker said: Can't be Sully. It has actual interviews in it... Yea in fairness Sully was a columnist not a reporter... his job was more just to spout his opinion rather than source information, provide facts or delve into the details. I just still expect columnists to be able to.... you know.... write. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 41 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said: Main story Kim rebuttal If she wanted more screen time she should have played ball. You can’t complain about media narratives and then make zero effort to control said narratives. If that’s what the Pegulas (and you) are looking for, that’s asking for the media to carry their water for them. And I doubt Timmy can be bought off. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 12 minutes ago, Doc said: And on the flip side, how many jobs are there without the Pegulas buying all those teams and making that investment in the region? This of course is true and I don't read this article as saying "the Pegulas are terrible they should get lost." I read it as they are facing some challenging financial times in their businesses away from the Bills but including the Sabres, this was already the case before coronavirus and while that isn't entirely their fault they haven't done a great job as leaders of communicating that message sensitively to staff who fear for, and in some cases have lost, their jobs. I think the sense you get as I said to @Kirby Jackson is that so far the Bills have managed to be slightly sheltered from the worst of that but there is a risk if the situation deteriorates there may be knock on effects. Just now, ScottLaw said: “Nothing to see here. Shut it down!” ? Couldn’t read the whole article due to not being a member but is it any surprise the Pegulas don’t have a ***** clue what they are doing with the Sabres..... please just let the football people do their job and keep the Sabres toxicity away from the Bills. As a non-hockey fan the bolded is frankly all I care about. I'd prefer they sell the Sabres but that's easy for me to say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 Just now, GunnerBill said: Yea in fairness Sully was a columnist not a reporter... his job was more just to spout his opinion rather than source information, provide facts or delve into the details. I just still expect columnists to be able to.... you know.... write. IMO, columnists are most interesting when they're curious and include information / insights they learn from people they interview. Sully's downfall (to me) was that it was always just his closed loop opinion--I never learned anything new or got a new perspective I didn't have before. And BTW, I think he can write--he's just lazy / cynical and choses to phone it in too many times... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 2 hours ago, Joe in Winslow said: Hack goes and talks to fired/laid off employees. Said fired/laid off employees have beef and whine about "nepotism" to Hack. Hack writes salacious piece because, as I said, hacks gonna hack. When you have a goal (no pun intended) and then look for people to substantiate it you do not call it good journalism. A journalist looks at both sides of issue and lets reader make own opinion. It is like asking a NRA advocate whether guns help with safety - the writer will not look at accidental shootings, kids killing themselves or playmates, maniacs attacking schools, etc but only cases where people defended themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 You think they got lucky? Remember all the talk of them hiring Polian as a consultant? I believe he or someone else in the know advised them on what to do. This is the only major decision they got right with either franchise and it came shortly after those rumors. Really lucky or.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shane nelson Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 Currently the Pegulas are the only anchor keeping the Bills in Buffalo. If something bad happens to them, business or tragedy, the Bills could easily be back up for sale and this time around, they will be gone. This is the reason why this diehard fan feels we need another anchor, and that is a new stadium with a long term lease. Clearly this is not the time to discuss a new stadium, and who knows, maybe they will just need a field to play on in the new normal. But if we want the Bills to be here for another 50+ years we need a new facility with funding tied to the team being in WNY Go Bills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dablitzkrieg Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 2 hours ago, MJS said: I like BBC. At least they are always professional, even if they do sometimes present biased material. I read a couple of extremely unprofessional articles posted by Washington Post a couple years ago and that really soured my view of them. New York Times is pretty good. I want facts presented in an objective and professional manner. That's what I look for in the news media. ? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JGMcD2 Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 38 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: If that is true you should advise them to get out of the business. If you are in it for attention in particular. Absolutely atrocious motivation. Of course you are not passionate about every subject you write about. Not every story grips you - that is the same as any job. What should drive and motivate is the pursuit of truth regardless of the subject. Maybe the culture in America is different, I don't know. But that is not the way the majority of journalists in the UK think or work despite the low reputation of the profession. Oh wow. This could actually be a really cool discussion about the difference between the UK and US when it comes to journalism! I’d would honestly love additional insight... discussion... because I feel like there is a lot that doesn’t transfer over one way or another. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 35 minutes ago, FireChans said: If she wanted more screen time she should have played ball. You can’t complain about media narratives and then make zero effort to control said narratives. If that’s what the Pegulas (and you) are looking for, that’s asking for the media to carry their water for them. And I doubt Timmy can be bought off. I totally don't get this take. And you just said Graham can't be bought off...yet you suggest Kim Pegula would get more screen time if she "played ball?" Curious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. K Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 Well, my take: You(pse employees) work for Mcdonalds. You have a manager(McBeane) you really like. The company lays you off during a pandemic (a little too specific but roll with it). Morale through the whole building would be shook as people would be worried about their livelihood being threatened. If that manager who talks about working as a team to get the right fries with the right burger and right drink to make the customer happy is watching these lay offs he has a in house perspective that can see negative and positive effects with all decisions. If McBeane thinks its a problem and is addressing it publicly its got to be a big problem. McBeane and Co. have been amazing with their none answers and having to check the film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, GunnerBill said: Indeed. Both are legitimate. Yes but both paint completely opposite pictures and generate different emotions. Edited April 20, 2020 by PromoTheRobot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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