Should absentee ballots be illegal?

[SectionC3]

11 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

 

 

 

Vote-by-mail was never about access, it was about returning to a Tammany Hall-style of elections, and threatening to undermine the election results if not enacted (e.g. Pelosi, Abrams, etc.).

 

 

 

I realize that you’re not one to rely on pesky things such as facts, but what evidence do you have that vote-by-mail will actually undermine election results?

[B-Man]

3 minutes ago, SectionC3 said:

I realize that you’re not one to rely on pesky things such as facts, but what evidence do you have that vote-by-mail will actually undermine election results?

 

 

Should absentee ballots be illegal? 1 2 3 4 15 

By Warren Zevon, April 8

 

 

Perhaps if you actually opened an article and not just read the headline, you would not be so ignorant on this well-discussed topic.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[SectionC3]

9 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

 

Should absentee ballots be illegal? 1 2 3 4 15 

By Warren Zevon, April 8

 

 

Perhaps if you actually opened an article and not just read the headline, you would not be so ignorant on this well-discussed topic.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Which article should I open?  You’re the hoaxer here, not me.  I just want the facts upon which you rely, that’s all. 

[B-Man]

5 minutes ago, SectionC3 said:

Which article should I open?  You’re the hoaxer here, not me.  I just want the facts upon which you rely, that’s all. 

 

 

I am doubtful,

 

 

If you wanted facts,

 

 

you would read articles that are posted...................in all the threads,

 

 

but that is not why you are here................so c'est la vie

 

 

 

 

[SectionC3]

6 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

 

I am doubtful,

 

 

If you wanted facts,

 

 

you would read articles that are posted...................in all the threads,

 

 

but that is not why you are here................so c'est la vie

 

 

 

 

Nope.  I want your facts.  The ones you rely on when you propound your tropes about the voter fraud.  

 

Unfortunately I have no choice but to presume that you have no facts supporting your contentions that voting by mail will result in an election permeated by fraud. 

[B-Man]

7 minutes ago, SectionC3 said:

Nope.  I want your facts.  The ones you rely on when you propound your tropes about the voter fraud.  

 

Unfortunately I have no choice but to presume that you have no facts supporting your contentions that voting by mail will result in an election permeated by fraud. 

 

 

 

No.

 

 

I have plenty and I reminded you what you needed to do to understand them

 

 

The fact that you won't, speaks to how you post.

 

 

Added:

Here is a fact.

 

You keep pleading for MY FACTS, as if there is not one truth, but each person's facts...............those are called opinions.

 

Also, that you demand a response............all while referring to me as a "hoaxer"...........is just off the hilarity scale............?

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited June 4, 2020 by B-Man

[Cinga]

2 hours ago, B-Man said:

Mail-In Votes Discarded, Never Counted in Baltimore Election Due to Error

by John Binder

 

Original Article

 

 

I live in Maryland and dear (rino) governor was on last night to tell us he is sorry for lost ballots, people never receiving them, and other discrepancies since he decided to do the primaries by mail. Worst of it was asking the state assembly to begin an investigation immediately to make sure the system is fixed by November. 

 

So that told me 2 things... He is already planning for mail in voting in November, and that there is no way in hell  it will be "fixed" by then.... 

[keepthefaith]

12 minutes ago, SectionC3 said:

Nope.  I want your facts.  The ones you rely on when you propound your tropes about the voter fraud.  

 

Unfortunately I have no choice but to presume that you have no facts supporting your contentions that voting by mail will result in an election permeated by fraud. 

 

Here's a little something for you.

https://themarketswork.com/2018/10/31/is-voter-fraud-real-a-look-at-californias-illegal-voter-registration-problem/

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2019/06/20/calif_begins_removing_5_million_inactive_voters_on_its_rolls__140602.html

 

And by the way, shouldn't we be proactive and close any loopholes in voting procedures that might invite fraud?  Why wait until it becomes a problem? 

[SectionC3]

Nope.  You’re a hoaxer.  Keep on talking about ballot harvesting, rigged elections, and whatever other nonsense you like on this point.  Instigating against the loosening of the rules on absentee balloting is simply another way of helping discourage voting in larger urban areas where a voter may have to stand in line for hours before exercising his or her right to vote.  

 

I probably don’t agree with the candidates for whom the folks in Wyoming County are going to vote this year.  But I will defend until the end their right to cast a vote contrary to my political preferences.  And I will similarly contend that they should not be subject to any impediment, be it a backdoor poll tax or a waiting requirement, before casting that ballot.   

 

You, on the other hand, buy into contrived election protection narratives that you apparently can’t root in fact.  So I guess we know where you stand on those and related matters. 

[Cinga]

Something else I want to throw into his conversation is that estimates are the USPS loses 1 to 3% of our mail a year. How many elections have we seen decided by less than 1%?

[ALF]

This Nov  is a special case if covid 19 returns in force. The poll station workers are mostly elderly and would not risk working that day. That happened in the Wisconsin primary.

[Deranged Rhino]

Just now, ALF said:

This Nov  is a special case if covid 19 returns in force. The poll station workers are mostly elderly and would not risk working that day. That happened in the Wisconsin primary.

 

And yet the election in Wisconsin went on as planned, with no spike in the virus after. 

 

There's no reason to argue we can't go out to vote anymore. None. That con has been destroyed by what we've seen the past 10 days.

[SectionC3]

34 minutes ago, Cinga said:

Something else I want to throw into his conversation is that estimates are the USPS loses 1 to 3% of our mail a year. How many elections have we seen decided by less than 1%?

 

The BOE keeps a list of ballots out and ballots in.  That’s a problem that would be quickly identified. And the issue is highly, highly unlikely to change an election because absentees usually track the general, and because it’s unlikely that the “lost mail” would be votes for only one candidate.  Besides, we already do absentees by mail and the issue you identified hasn’t been identified as a trouble spot.   

 

I suppose your point might be more of an issue in broad race, like for governor or president, if, say, a mail truck from an urban area went missing.  But the mail loss concern  is not nearly the danger one would think it to be.  

26 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

And yet the election in Wisconsin went on as planned, with no spike in the virus after. 

 

There's no reason to argue we can't go out to vote anymore. None. That con has been destroyed by what we've seen the past 10 days.

 

Similarly there’s no reason to argue that we can’t make it easier to exercise the right to vote. None. 

Edited June 4, 2020 by SectionC3

[Warren Zevon]

Fact: 38-11

29 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

And yet the election in Wisconsin went on as planned, with no spike in the virus after. 

 

 

What are you talking about moron? Gaslighting 101 by Deranged Rhino. Below is the Wisconsin data. 

 

 

[SectionC3]

41 minutes ago, keepthefaith said:

 

Here's a little something for you.

https://themarketswork.com/2018/10/31/is-voter-fraud-real-a-look-at-californias-illegal-voter-registration-problem/

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2019/06/20/calif_begins_removing_5_million_inactive_voters_on_its_rolls__140602.html

 

And by the way, shouldn't we be proactive and close any loopholes in voting procedures that might invite fraud?  Why wait until it becomes a problem? 

 

Let’s start with the second link.  What do inactive voters have to do with voter fraud?

[B-Man]

Just now, SectionC3 said:

 

Let’s start with the second link.  What do inactive voters have to do with voter fraud?

 

 

 

Inactive voters are still on most rolls and get ballots mailed out to them and then..................................c'mon , you can do it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Warren Zevon]

1 minute ago, B-Man said:

 

Inactive voters are still on most rolls and get ballots mailed out to them and then..................................c'mon , you can do it.

 

 

Boy Man has tons of evidence for this but.. you can do it

[keepthefaith]

7 minutes ago, SectionC3 said:

 

Let’s start with the second link.  What do inactive voters have to do with voter fraud?

 

In my best DC Tom, you're an idiot. 

[SectionC3]

1 minute ago, B-Man said:

 

 

Inactive voters are still on most rolls and get ballots mailed out to them and then..................................c'mon , you can do it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Ballots get mailed out to them after a signed document requesting the ballot is returned to the BOE with a signature similar to that on file at the BOE.  The only mass mailing of the BOE is the missive inquiring whether the voter wants the ballot.  Trope #1 debunked.  

1 minute ago, keepthefaith said:

 

In my best DC Tom, you're an idiot. 

 

Let’s see your evidence, big boy.  

[Bob&Doug]

https://youtu.be/WUEqh07E4dY

[ALF]

2020 ELECTION
Georgia election 'catastrophe' in largely minority areas sparks investigation

Hourslong waits, problems with new voting machines and a lack of available ballots plagued voters in majority minority counties in Georgia on Tuesday — conditions the secretary of state called "unacceptable" and vowed to investigate.

 

Democrats and election watchers said voting issues in a state that has been plagued for years by similar problems, along with allegations of racial bias, didn't bode well for the November presidential election, when Georgia could be in play.

 

Cody Cutting was in a long line at Lang Carson Community Center in the Reynoldstown neighborhood of Atlanta, where the line snaked around the block and some people had been waiting to cast their votes for 4½ hours.

 

Voting problems also plagued Fulton County in 2018, which led to allegations of voter suppression by Democrats. The secretary of state at the time was Brian Kemp, a Republican, who wound up winning the governorship by a thin margin against Democrat Stacey Abrams. Abrams at the time called the election "rotten and rigged."

 

"She responded: 'I never got an absentee ballot. That's why I'm here,'" Roth said. The woman was sent to an area with other would-be voters who'd had similar issues.

 

"The individuals had requested absentee ballots, but they didn't arrive in time to send in, but when they showed up to try and vote in person, they were blocked because the system had indicated they already had an absentee ballot, which, again, they said they never received,” Roth said.

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/georgia-secretary-state-launches-investigation-after-unacceptable-voting-problems-n1228541

[Tiberius]

After record primary turnout, Iowa Senate Republicans try to limit vote-by-mail in presidential election

 

1 day ago · Iowa set a new record for primary election turnout this month after secretary of state Paul Pate sent applications for mail-in ballots to all registered voters. More than 520,000 ballots were cast , ...

[Unforgiven]

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[Orlando Tim]

21 hours ago, ALF said:

2020 ELECTION
Georgia election 'catastrophe' in largely minority areas sparks investigation

Hourslong waits, problems with new voting machines and a lack of available ballots plagued voters in majority minority counties in Georgia on Tuesday — conditions the secretary of state called "unacceptable" and vowed to investigate.

 

Democrats and election watchers said voting issues in a state that has been plagued for years by similar problems, along with allegations of racial bias, didn't bode well for the November presidential election, when Georgia could be in play.

 

Cody Cutting was in a long line at Lang Carson Community Center in the Reynoldstown neighborhood of Atlanta, where the line snaked around the block and some people had been waiting to cast their votes for 4½ hours.

 

Voting problems also plagued Fulton County in 2018, which led to allegations of voter suppression by Democrats. The secretary of state at the time was Brian Kemp, a Republican, who wound up winning the governorship by a thin margin against Democrat Stacey Abrams. Abrams at the time called the election "rotten and rigged."

 

"She responded: 'I never got an absentee ballot. That's why I'm here,'" Roth said. The woman was sent to an area with other would-be voters who'd had similar issues.

 

"The individuals had requested absentee ballots, but they didn't arrive in time to send in, but when they showed up to try and vote in person, they were blocked because the system had indicated they already had an absentee ballot, which, again, they said they never received,” Roth said.

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/georgia-secretary-state-launches-investigation-after-unacceptable-voting-problems-n1228541

Ga and FL have this in common- the areas run by Dems having major voting issues while the Republican run ones are fine. Counties run the voting precincts here and it is amazing that they never get fixed by the same people election after election 

[Warren Zevon]

40 - 11

 

Damn!

 

[Unforgiven]

Stalker ...how ya doing

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[B-Man]

Chris Cuomo gets decimated for bringing talking points to a fact-based fight on Georgia elections

It happens frequently that members of the press get corrected on their narratives, but it becomes a rarer treat to watch live when the takedown occurs. On CNN Chris Cuomo wanted to scorch the state of Georgia over its primary voting held on Tuesday, extending the talking point of voter suppression that has led to failed candidate Stacey Abrams to become a media darling and – in bizarre fashion – considered as a Vice Presidential running mate.

 

Cuomo brought on Georgia’s Statewide Voting Implementation Manager, Gabriel Sterling on to either confirm his views or to lambaste over the problems. One problem — Sterling was not ready to play along.

 

As Cuomo kept reverting to his preordained talking points Sterling swatted them away with the ease of facts.

 

 

After a preamble, where he sets the table with already disproven tales of voter ”disenfranchisement” in 2018, Cuomo mentions problems seen in Tuesday’s primary. This involved long lines in some areas, people limited from voting efficiently, and numerous closed polling locations. This is all attributed to a dastardly statewide conspiracy to cause problems within Democratic strongholds in the state.

 

As Sterling points out adroitly, and Cuomo himself alludes to early, the COVID outbreak created numerous problems. Schools used as polling locations are closed, and churches and other similar locations have opted out. Elections are run on the county level and those officials needed to secure alternate locations, but failed to supply enough. In brief terms, the problems arising in Democrat districts are traceable back to the Democrats who run those counties.

 

Another challenge – longer lines were frequently a result of local distancing ordinances. Sterling noted how one location had 15 machines but only 4 people at a time were permitted, another reason to have more voting options available.

 

 

As Sterling outlined–

“In Fulton County, specifically, they lost 40 locations and collapsed many of those locations into mega-precincts, which saw a lot of these amazingly long lines. “We said, this is not a good idea. You need to find other, alternative locations. And those kinds of polling closures, the things we’re discussing, are literally county decisions. They are made at the county level, and the state has zero ability to tell them not to do that.”

Cuomo was left scrambling and you get the sense of desperation.

 

 

[B-Man]

 

 

Nevertheless, the look on Kayleigh McEnany’s face Wednesday when she answered a question from a reporter regarding safety concerns over in-person voting pretty much said it all:

Reporter: The President seems pretty unconcerned so far about November and the COVID situation, and whether people are going to be afraid to go to the polls or whether it’s going to be a lot of delays because of the COVID. He recently said it’s a “long way off,” I think meaning, the — the pandemic will have died down by then, essentially.

 

But given that it hasn’t actually gone away and people are still dying every day and there are some spikes — and it’s not that far away: five months — are any measures being taken at all to guarantee that this election is going to go smoothly and everybody who wants to vote can vote?

 

McEnany: Yeah, well, I — you know, I’ve not seen much criticism of the protest and socially distance and mitigation efforts.

 

Reporter: I was talking about — asking about the elections, not the protests.

 

McEnany: I think there’s a way to safely vote if you can safely protest. And that’s what the President would like to see. There’s a way to safely vote. There’s a way to safely go to church.

 

And you’re asking a hypothetical about something five months from now, at a time, ironically, when the media hasn’t expressed much outrage about a lack of mitigation efforts taken by some of the protesters.

 

Watch:

 

 

 

The media (and Democrats, but I repeat myself) have no one to blame but themselves for nuking their own talking points from just a few weeks ago regarding how urgent it was to make mail-in voting easier due to concerns over the spread of the Wuhan virus. You can’t on one hand say you’re concerned about the potential of a virus to spread when it comes time to vote, conveniently forget about those concerns in order to support certain protests, and then turn around a few days later and spout those same concerns as though the protests – and the media’s approving reactions to them – never happened.

 

This is a perfect example of MSM’s double standards coming back to bite them. Had they been consistent on this issue from the start, they might be taken seriously when they raise questions about voter/election safety during a pandemic. But they weren’t, and McEnany let them know it with the answer she gave them.

 

 

 

[B-Man]

Some advice from victims of voter fraud who won the day

by Bruce S. Marks & Mike Roman

 

Original Article

 

"El Nuevo Metodo de Votar." The year was 1993. Control of the Pennsylvania state Senate turned on a special election in Philadelphia. Although the district was heavily Democratic, the Republican was running a strong campaign, with organized labor and minority support. In desperation, the Democratic machine's operatives descended on the District to steal the election by manipulating Latino voters into signing absentee ballot applications, falsely claiming a "new method of voting" — voting absentee for convenience — then illegal in Pennsylvania if one could go to the polls. Democratic city election officials then illegally provided the ballots to the operatives directly

 

 

 

 

[KRC]

On 6/9/2020 at 11:42 PM, ALF said:

2020 ELECTION
Georgia election 'catastrophe' in largely minority areas sparks investigation

Hourslong waits, problems with new voting machines and a lack of available ballots plagued voters in majority minority counties in Georgia on Tuesday — conditions the secretary of state called "unacceptable" and vowed to investigate.

 

Democrats and election watchers said voting issues in a state that has been plagued for years by similar problems, along with allegations of racial bias, didn't bode well for the November presidential election, when Georgia could be in play.

 

Cody Cutting was in a long line at Lang Carson Community Center in the Reynoldstown neighborhood of Atlanta, where the line snaked around the block and some people had been waiting to cast their votes for 4½ hours.

 

Voting problems also plagued Fulton County in 2018, which led to allegations of voter suppression by Democrats. The secretary of state at the time was Brian Kemp, a Republican, who wound up winning the governorship by a thin margin against Democrat Stacey Abrams. Abrams at the time called the election "rotten and rigged."

 

"She responded: 'I never got an absentee ballot. That's why I'm here,'" Roth said. The woman was sent to an area with other would-be voters who'd had similar issues.

 

"The individuals had requested absentee ballots, but they didn't arrive in time to send in, but when they showed up to try and vote in person, they were blocked because the system had indicated they already had an absentee ballot, which, again, they said they never received,” Roth said.

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/georgia-secretary-state-launches-investigation-after-unacceptable-voting-problems-n1228541

 

Quick question. If they could show up to the polling places, why were they requesting absentee ballots? I can understand if you were scheduled to be out of town for work, but are now in town. However, they are making this sound like a large problem and not a small percentage of people.

[Koko78]

1 hour ago, KRC said:

 

Quick question. If they could show up to the polling places, why were they requesting absentee ballots? I can understand if you were scheduled to be out of town for work, but are now in town. However, they are making this sound like a large problem and not a small percentage of people.

 

They want to game the system.

 

However, to paraphrase what Kayleigh McEnany said the other day, 'if you can go protest in person, you can go vote in person.'

[ALF]

20 hours ago, KRC said:

 

Quick question. If they could show up to the polling places, why were they requesting absentee ballots? I can understand if you were scheduled to be out of town for work, but are now in town. However, they are making this sound like a large problem and not a small percentage of people.

 

trying to avoid covid 19  and mega large polling stations with long waits that also happened previous in Wisconsin primary ?

Edited June 13, 2020 by ALF

[Tiberius]

20 hours ago, Koko78 said:

 

They want to game the system.

 

However, to paraphrase what Kayleigh McEnany said the other day, 'if you can go protest in person, you can go vote in person.'

Gaming the system to you guys is allowing the people to easily vote, a horrifying notion I’m sure 

[Koko78]

16 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

Gaming the system to you guys is allowing the people to easily vote, a horrifying notion I’m sure 

 

It is more convenient for the dead to vote Democrat, for sure.

 

Of course, it will be easy to find overcrowding too, when 87 people vote Democrat, in alphabetical order and with the same handwriting, from a 2 bedroom apartment.

[3rdnlng]

53 minutes ago, Koko78 said:

 

It is more convenient for the dead to vote Democrat, for sure.

 

Of course, it will be easy to find overcrowding too, when 87 people vote Democrat, in alphabetical order and with the same handwriting, from a 2 bedroom apartment.

Overcrowding is a problem in many precincts but only the republicans want to do something about it. Gotta hand it to those democrats though, they sure know how to keep things orderly. 

[Tiberius]

1 hour ago, Koko78 said:

 

It is more convenient for the dead to vote Democrat, for sure.

 

Of course, it will be easy to find overcrowding too, when 87 people vote Democrat, in alphabetical order and with the same handwriting, from a 2 bedroom apartment.

You are just so cheated and oppressed. 

[Koko78]

41 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

You are just so cheated and oppressed. 

 

I am. I deserve reparations.

[KRC]

2 hours ago, ALF said:

 

trying to avoid covid 19  and mega large polling stations with long waits that also happened previous in Wisconsin primary ?

 

That would carry more weight if those same people also did not frequent Home Depot and other places with crowds and long lines. You can't have it both ways. If you can social distance at Home Depot, you can social distance at a polling place. And, if the virus was the overriding concern, why did they STILL show up at the polling place, facing certain death?

 

I am diabetic, so I take the virus seriously. As I have mentioned previously, I have two in-laws in a nursing home with 115 positive cases out of 172 people. However, when I see crowds at Home Depot and I see crowds at protests, don't give me the lame excuse of "I'm scared of the virus, that's why I need an absentee ballot when I would still show up to the polling place."

21 minutes ago, Koko78 said:

 

I am. I deserve reparations.

 

Will a few million cover it, or were you really distressed?

 

 

[Koko78]

19 minutes ago, KRC said:

Will a few million cover it, or were you really distressed?

 

It's a start. I may need more, depending on how much time I need to spend with my stuffed comfort animal in my safe space. Send more crayons and a soy latte!

[3rdnlng]

1 hour ago, Koko78 said:

 

It's a start. I may need more, depending on how much time I need to spend with my stuffed comfort animal in my safe space. Send more crayons and a soy latte!

No more boy lattes for you. Who do you think you are, Section8?